I just keep it simple and - as a non-US - criminal, radical, leftist and communist my answer is clear.

Just as reminder what the 47th has posted...

No POTUS ever has displayed such a moral, ethical, and ethical-conduct-related disintegration of his own personality.

8 hours ago, Wingate said:

Despite his own cognitive decline---though not as bad as Trump

Reality just called....they want to know if you're ever coming back.

Smh....scary thing is you actually believe that bs.

On 6/30/2026 at 5:49 AM, TedG said:

Woodrow Wilson was awful. Federal segregation, suppression of speech. He laid the groundwork for WW2 by supporting reparations imposed on Germany. He also gave us the 17th and 18th Amendments. The 17th undermined the original intent of the Senate, and the 18th gave us Prohibition.

Wilson's name was erased from the political science building at Princeton, even though he was president of the university.

41 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Reality just called....they want to know if you're ever coming back.

Smh....scary thing is you actually believe that bs.

Listen to trump when he's on one of his stream of (un)consciousness "weaves", doing basic math or makes "the earth is flat" type of statements and then get back to us, okay?🤣

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/03/donald-trump-mental-fitness

On 6/29/2026 at 8:36 PM, Yagoda said:

we arent at war and never were lol.

our economy is great

Yes that's exactly what the President keeps saying , and he can keep saying it,

but reasonable people know the truth , and he is going to be impeached ,for

what is it the 3 rd time , him and his minions .

regards worgeordie

2 hours ago, ronnie50 said:

Worst:

Trump

George W. Bush

George W. Bush and the NeoCons were famous for starting "forever wars".

Seems they wanted to profit from all the arms sales and want the wars to drag on as long as possible.

That alone puts him in the worst category.

Trump does not appear to be interested in starting a forever war.

Although Iran might be.

But we don't know yet.

But in the meantime, Trump and George W. Bush are not in the same category based on that criteria alone.

Edited July 1Jul 1 by save the frogs

2 hours ago, ronnie50 said:

I wonder if the Inspector General of the US Defense Department ever got to the bottom of the $2 trillion in missing expenditures announced by Rumsfeld at a news conference the day before 9/11.

You can wonder, but maybe start a separate thread of things you remember from a generation ago.

2 hours ago, ronnie50 said:

Best:

Kamala Harris

Joe Biden

Al Gore

It seems you overlooked the need for a sarcasm tag. Clearly, Harris has been one of the least effective VPs in the history of the Union.

59 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Listen to trump when he's on one of his stream of (un)consciousness "weaves", doing basic math or makes "the earth is flat" type of statements and then get back to us, okay?🤣

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/aug/03/donald-trump-mental-fitness

This one time at band camp...

7 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

You think collateral damage is unavoidable ?

Civilians casualties are unavoidable in urban areas. After the D-Day landing in 1944, 20,000 French civilians died in the Battle of Normandy. Normandy is not typically considered urban. Was that gencoide?

2 minutes ago, Effective altruism said:

Civilians casualties are unavoidable in urban areas. After the D-Day landing in 1944, 20,000 French civilians died in the Battle of Normandy. Normandy is not typically considered urban. Was that gencoide?

You missed the point.

Op is talking about American Presidents.

And please read my whole comment. Then you understand, hopefully

53 minutes ago, worgeordie said:

Yes that's exactly what the President keeps saying , and he can keep saying it,

but reasonable people know the truth , and he is going to be impeached ,for

what is it the 3 rd time , him and his minions .

regards worgeordie

how would you know different? you dont live here lol.

impeach away hahaha

9 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Shame on you, if you're proud of all the wars you were fighting and didn't even win, leaving a devastated county behind when you left, after having killed hundreds of thousands innocent women and children all over the world.

sure, make up facts, in terms of unjustified state murder, the us barely scratches the top 10.

war is a continuation of politics. we won them all. otherwise the eurotrash would be speaking russian

7 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

sure, make up facts, in terms of unjustified state murder, the us barely scratches the top 10.

war is a continuation of politics. we won them all. otherwise the eurotrash would be speaking russian

Hahahahahaha, that's original Donnie speech! Can you only repeat an old grand dad like a parrot ????😂😂😂

11 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Reagan was shot one month after he said he wanted to back the US dollar with gold.

Can't have that -- The Federal Reserve is part of the deep state and they need to control behind the scenes.

Well, I guess Reagan didn't want to continue to put his life at risk just to make your life better.

Presidents who stray too far away from the script of the deep state get shot or maybe threatened first.

I'm surprised Trump is still alive. He is also trying to extricate from the Federal Reserve.

Obama, Biden ... absolute puppets of the deep state.

If you get rid of the deep state for once and for all AND have an intelligent and honorable president, there is your best president of all time. But hasn't happened yet. Their decisions are not entirely their own.

Is this just a self promotion? 😂😂😂

10 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Hahahahahaha, that's original Donnie speech! Can you only repeat an old grand dad like a parrot ????😂😂😂

so you disagree with the facts set forth. show us then how the usa is the most murderous regime on the planet.

this should be fun. i love testing the ignorant

3 hours ago, ronnie50 said:

Best and worst VP's (top 3) IMO

Best:

Kamala Harris

Joe Biden

Al Gore

Worst:

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Dick Cheney

Dan Quayle

JD Vance

I once "taught" the then Senator Al Gore, in the late 80s. He came to my college and I was tasked to "inform" him about our research, which was all about using genetically engineered bacterium, modified with a firefly gene, to clean up slag heaps (basically, getting the bacteria to produce luciferase while degrading naphthalene, so a cool demo with a glass fermenter, spike it with naphthalene, hit the lights, and watch the thing glow. It makes it easy to use light probes to monitor bioremediation). Despite his credentials, he seemed uninterested, didn't ask questions, came over as a bit ignorant.

6 months later, gave the same spiel and demo to President George HW Bush, and while he didn't know much about the science, he asked good questions.

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12 hours ago, Wingate said:

I guess what you mean is that people were comfortable enough with their good lives during Biden's term that they could afford to laugh.

They had to laugh at something during the four years of JoeFlation. The 21% over four years was brutal.

12 hours ago, Wingate said:

Despite his own cognitive decline---though not as bad as Trump, as Joe never claimed to have stopped the 1994 Rwandan Genocide personally---the US enjoyed higher growth, higher employment, much more worldwide respect, and no new wars. Biden also tamed the inflation handed to him by Trump and Trump's $8,400,000,000,000 addition to the National Debt, a 41% increase over the combined debt of the first 44 Presidents, and an amount represented $25,000 for every man, woman and child in the US. MAGAs, ignorant of economics and most everything else, think inflation is a light switch, instantly turned on, rather than resulting from Trump's massive debt run up.

Your inflation narrative is false. Joe Biden and the Dems drive inflation with their post-COVID spending spree. The lion's share of the debt was due to the COVID spending to prop up the economy. Also, don't forget the Dems controlled the House and Senate. You have no standing to lecture anyone about economic polcies.

https://www.economist.com/leaders/2023/05/11/joe-biden-is-more-responsible-for-high-inflation-than-for-abundant-jobs

Vox

Biden screwed up on inflation — badly

He didn’t just get unlucky. He botched the response.

12 hours ago, Wingate said:

Anyway, Biden got the Trump-generated inflation down to 2.8% by the time he left office, while despite his campaign promises, Trump has lifted inflation back up to 3.4% and climbing.

Joe Biden didn't lower inflation; he pushed inflation. The Fed raised interest rates to fight inflation.

12 hours ago, Wingate said:

Admittedly much of the laughter at Trump is a kind of gallows humor, as Trump and his Carnival People fascist Administration is hellbent on destroying the ideals upon which America was built and toward which successive bodies of the USG have tried to steer the nation. Trump is the epitome of "two steps backward" in terms of the graph of progress, as Trump is clearly against key principles as embodied in the US Constitution (free speech, freedom of the press, the right to peaceful assembly, habeas corpus...even freedom of religion).

You lefties are in no position to lecture anyone about freedom of speech

1) Joe Biden worked with social media to censor posts.

2) Obama:

1. Espionage Act Prosecutions: The administration utilized the Espionage Act to prosecute nine whistleblowers and leakers, surpassing the combined total of all previous U.S. presidents.

2. Press Freedom and Whistleblowers: The Justice Department's pursuit of journalists' records—such as monitoring Associated Press reporters and utilizing subpoenas to identify sources—drew heavy criticism from the Freedom of the Press Foundation. [1, 2]

3. Freedom of Information Act (FOIA): Despite his initial promise to lead the "most transparent administration ever," open-government advocates and the Electronic Frontier Foundation widely criticized the administration for setting records in censoring or denying FOIA requests.

Please explain what you mean by "fascist" administration.

13 hours ago, Wingate said:

Real American patriots take part in the gallows humor, while still working toward defeat of the fascism and autocracy that defines this vile detour of MAGA and Trumpism toward the true American Dream.

This makes me LOL. You people are not fighting fascism. Your sophomoric rhetoric gets boring after a while

13 hours ago, Wingate said:

Soon, America will have a analogous "Ted Patrick", the famous cult deprogrammer from a few decades ago, to erase the madness of MAGA and try to lead the cult back toward sanity and reality. Sadly, many in the cult are too far gone, and there will be no bringing them back. The best one can hope for is that the most vile of the MAGAs crawl back under the rocks from which Trump called them. America will become America again, reconfirming its belief in the freedoms at its core, of speech, press, assembly, and belief.

Your side is not the beacon of freedom of speech and sanity.

On 6/30/2026 at 10:41 AM, impulse said:

I'm with Thomas Sowell. Obama was the worst, until Biden.

It's like this: Clinton succumbed to the lobbyists and let China join the WTO. America lost millions of good jobs. After that America experienced successive failed presidencies - Babybush, Obama, Trump 1, Biden, Trump 2. Will voters wake up and elect a leader who can inspire like Reagan, Kennedy or Roosevelt 2?

8 minutes ago, placnx said:

It's like this: Clinton succumbed to the lobbyists and let China join the WTO. America lost millions of good jobs. After that America experienced successive failed presidencies - Babybush, Obama, Trump 1, Biden, Trump 2. Will voters wake up and elect a leader who can inspire like Reagan, Kennedy or Roosevelt 2?

8 minutes ago, placnx said:

It's like this: Clinton succumbed to the lobbyists and let China join the WTO. America lost millions of good jobs. After that America experienced successive failed presidencies - Babybush, Obama, Trump 1, Biden, Trump 2. Will voters wake up and elect a leader who can inspire like Reagan, Kennedy or Roosevelt 2?

Entering the WTO resulted in the loss of 3.7 million jobs between 2001 and 2018, which gutted the Midwest. Then, toss in the 2009 recession, which devastated the rural areas. And the ruling class wonders why there is a rising tide of populism. The coastal ruling class is insulated from these policy disasters.

https://www.epi.org/blog/china-trade-deal-will-not-restore-3-7-million-u-s-jobs-lost-since-china-entered-the-wto-in-2001/

Edited July 1Jul 1 by TedG

35 minutes ago, TedG said:

The coastal ruling class is insulated from these policy disasters

Even benefit from it all.

15 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Reagan was shot one month after he said he wanted to back the US dollar with gold.

Can't have that -- The Federal Reserve is part of the deep state and they need to control behind the scenes.

Well, I guess Reagan didn't want to continue to put his life at risk just to make your life better.

Presidents who stray too far away from the script of the deep state get shot or maybe threatened first.

I'm surprised Trump is still alive. He is also trying to extricate from the Federal Reserve.

Obama, Biden ... absolute puppets of the deep state.

If you get rid of the deep state for once and for all AND have an intelligent and honorable president, there is your best president of all time. But hasn't happened yet. Their decisions are not entirely their own.

The Deep State likely installed Trump, and they control him like an easily manipulated puppet.

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

The Deep State likely installed Trump, and they control him like an easily manipulated puppet.

at least you're not denying the existence of deep state.

but you are wrong.

tulsi openly talking about deep state, trump fighting with the federal reserve, etc ...

many clues that trump is not a manipulated puppet.

22 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

at least you're not denying the existence of deep state.

but you are wrong.

tulsi openly talking about deep state, trump fighting with the federal reserve, etc ...

many clues that trump is not a manipulated puppet.

AI explains this obvious answer to Trump and whether it's ego, praise or others manipulating him..............

The "Flattery and Ego" View: Many former officials and intelligence experts argue that Trump's desire for personal relationships and praise makes him susceptible to manipulation. Critics frequently cite his dealings with authoritarian leaders like Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong-un, suggesting they leveraged flattery to achieve foreign policy

1. The Transactional View: Supporters and some observers contend that Trump is not manipulated, but rather engages in a highly personalized, transactional approach to foreign policy. They argue he intentionally builds rapport with other leaders to make deals, believing this direct diplomacy yields better results than traditional bureaucratic processes.

2. The "Unpredictability" Strategy: Some political scientists suggest Trump actively uses his own perceived volatility and unorthodox style—often compared to the "Madman Theory"—to coerce concessions from both allies and adversaries, rather than being the one who is controlled...

13 hours ago, Yagoda said:

so you disagree with the facts set forth. show us then how the usa is the most murderous regime on the planet.

this should be fun. i love testing the ignorant

Shame on you, if you're proud of all the wars you were fighting and didn't even win, leaving a devastated county behind when you left, after having killed hundreds of thousands innocent women and children all over the world.

This is my answer.

If intellectual possible for you, please compare my post with your answer.

Period

Best:

FDR

Lincoln

T. Roosevelt

Jefferson

Kennedy

Monroe

Madison

Washington

Truman

LBJ

Worst:

Trump

Trump

Buchanan

Harding

Andrew Johnson

Pierce

Hoover

George W. Bush

Grant

Carter

3 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Shame on you, if you're proud of all the wars you were fighting

Some wars are necessary as the enemy is trying to get one up on you and may harm you (not necessarily with military) if you are too complacent.

Since there are too many things going on behind the scenes that we are not told and since they lie to the public, it's not always easy to discern when a war is or is not justified.

Edited July 2Jul 2 by save the frogs

4 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Some wars are necessary as the enemy is trying to get one up on you and may harm you (not necessarily with military) if you are too complacent.

Since there are too many things going on behind the scenes that we are not told and since they lie to the public, it's not always easy to discern when a war is or is not justified.

Yes and No.

Years later the books are open and you can read what was actually the true reason. Then you'll see what and who was acting behind the curtains.

At present too many parties got too different goals. However, it has to do with money. As always