2 hours ago, swissie said:

Re writing history once more? The "Kelts"/ "the Celtics" lived in Europe long before the Scandinavians foud out that the climate in Europe is more beneficial than in Scandinavia. Furthermore they had nothing. To plunder Europe as the only "business opportunity". To claim, that the "Vikings" were in Europe before the "Kelts" is adventourus "bovine droppings" also known as historical B*ll<deleted>.

Long before the Habsburgs enter the scene the Swiss tribe was called "Helvetians". Nobody knows where they came from, not even the Romans could find out where they came from. They were alway there, long before the Roman Empire existed. But certainly the Swiss have not their roots in Scandinavia.

What a weird rant.

So, you believe that you are a Helvetian? Maybe coming right from the original Ἐλουητίων ἔρημος of Claudius Ptolemaios?!

I really would like to see your genealogical tree reaching in time past Christ for it to make sense.

Even if true, that makes you now more a person coming from within Germany than ever, havign lived between the Main and the Rhine. They were forced further by germanic tribes (maybe proto-Francs), replacing other Celtic groups then living on the Swiss plateau (the Leponti -- which makes the Helvetii already immigrant invaders). Then they were first crushed by the Romans after pitiful attempts at raiding, later pushed by the Alemannish tribe (which were from southern Scandinavia, as I was alluding) into starvation land in Alpine valleys until their full assimilation.

Ergo, a "civilization" that left nothing more than a name scribbled down as a footnote by their superior foes and a few hill forts that where nothing more than grassy ruins over 2000 years ago. Already for Caesar in 58 BC not important enough to give them space in his own personal history besides mentioning merely two of the four Helvetii sub-tribes by name.

You speak an Alemannish-German sub-dialect as main language in your country, in the other parts sub-dialects of the Roman victors. No trace of any Celtic dialect has survived past Roman times, so: how many words of Gaulish do you speak? Surprise me!

Not sure what the Helvetii people of yesteryears would make of you, could they see you embellish yourself with their heritage, which has, incidentally, only a fleeting connection to the region we call Switzerland today.

And you build your whole sense of self out of such a shaky construct?! I think this is, truly, sad.

On 6/14/2026 at 10:56 PM, jts-khorat said:

What a weird rant.

So, you believe that you are a Helvetian? Maybe coming right from the original Ἐλουητίων ἔρημος of Claudius Ptolemaios?!

I really would like to see your genealogical tree reaching in time past Christ for it to make sense.

Even if true, that makes you now more a person coming from within Germany than ever, havign lived between the Main and the Rhine. They were forced further by germanic tribes (maybe proto-Francs), replacing other Celtic groups then living on the Swiss plateau (the Leponti -- which makes the Helvetii already immigrant invaders). Then they were first crushed by the Romans after pitiful attempts at raiding, later pushed by the Alemannish tribe (which were from southern Scandinavia, as I was alluding) into starvation land in Alpine valleys until their full assimilation.

Ergo, a "civilization" that left nothing more than a name scribbled down as a footnote by their superior foes and a few hill forts that where nothing more than grassy ruins over 2000 years ago. Already for Caesar in 58 BC not important enough to give them space in his own personal history besides mentioning merely two of the four Helvetii sub-tribes by name.

You speak an Alemannish-German sub-dialect as main language in your country, in the other parts sub-dialects of the Roman victors. No trace of any Celtic dialect has survived past Roman times, so: how many words of Gaulish do you speak? Surprise me!

Not sure what the Helvetii people of yesteryears would make of you, could they see you embellish yourself with their heritage, which has, incidentally, only a fleeting connection to the region we call Switzerland today.

And you build your whole sense of self out of such a shaky construct?! I think this is, truly, sad.

On 6/14/2026 at 7:30 PM, swissie said:

Re writing history once more? The "Kelts"/ "the Celtics" lived in Europe long before the Scandinavians foud out that the climate in Europe is more beneficial than in Scandinavia. Furthermore they had nothing. To plunder Europe as the only "business opportunity". To claim, that the "Vikings" were in Europe before the "Kelts" is adventourus "bovine droppings" also known as historical B*ll<deleted>.

Long before the Habsburgs enter the scene the Swiss tribe was called "Helvetians". Nobody knows where they came from, not even the Romans could find out where they came from. They were alway there, long before the Roman Empire existed. But certainly the Swiss have not their roots in Scandinavia.

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Your contribution does not make my contribution "invalid". Generally it shows how History is being interpreteted by the hoards of "Historians" in different ways.

On 6/14/2026 at 6:56 PM, Roadsternut said:

Did the US actually hand over Jews to be sent to the death camps? Nope. Switzerland stopped in 1944, when it was clear Germany was losing, and there would be a reckoning.

You are trying a Straw Man argument, to try and shut me up, by suggesting that I am pushing for Switzerland to take in 6 million Jewish Germans.

You know damn well your government convened an Inquiry, the Bergier Commission, and concluded that the Swiss government knowingly turned over nearly 25,000 people to the Nazis to face certain death. You know full well, but are withholding it for the forum , that one of the findings was that the Swiss actually asked the Germans in 1938 to add the letter J to passports, so they could easily identify Jews to send back.

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/nazis/readings/sinister.html

Now you will probably pretend that Switzerland had no choice during WW2. But the 1938 request shows that there were parts of the Swiss government likely colluding in what became known as the Final Solution. There was no war at that time.

And you were wittering on about "non-Swiss people". Switzerland is a country where you famously can't decide what language you are supposed to speak, so I doubt there isn't an actual definition of "Swiss" beyond a political construct. Your issue is you came on with some sort of fake ethonationalist rant about foreigners. Granit Xhaka is one of the best footballers Switzerland has ever had. Swiss born, but for you not Swiss, because he is of Albanian extraction and a practicing Muslim.

As a Swiss person, railing against immigration seems a strange hill to die on. Switzerland itself is the product of different peoples, languages and cultures coming together. Which group are you claiming to protect from immigration? The Germans, the French, the Italians, or the Romansh? Switzerland was never a single ethnic nation in the first place. Its success comes from different peoples learning to coexist, not from keeping outsiders out.

Your complaints about too many foreigners sounds exactly like Überfremdungm the sort of language used by would be Nazis like Rolf Henne.

Roadsternut refers to my past in motorracing. There is no intended meaning for you. If it offends you, complain to the site administrators. You can call me RoadsterC**t if you wish.

I must refresh your memory: NOBODY wanted the Jews during this time. Your effort to portray Switzerland as the "main perpetraitor" is an exercise in futility.

Not everybody understands the "Swiss Success Story". Since 1291, introduction of Democracy. The Swiss have seen empires rise and fall. Still geographically small, but still here.

I personnally fear that with the massive influx of immigrants from outside our cultural sphere, the Swiss Success Story" may soon come to an end.

2 hours ago, swissie said:

I must refresh your memory: NOBODY wanted the Jews during this time. Your effort to portray Switzerland as the "main perpetraitor" is an exercise in futility.

Balderdash. By September 1939, 400,000 Jews had fled Nazi occupied Europe. 95,000 made it to the US. 40-80,000 went to the UK. 60,000 went to British Palestine. 75,000 got to South America. However, many more were in France and the Netherlands (about 160,000 Jewish refugees). In Switzerland, in 1939, the Swiss Federal Department of Justice and Police was already cramming the Jewish refugees into labour camps. Britain, and others sent zero Jewish refugees back to Germany. What you choose not to disclose, and you knew this, in order to mislead, is that controversially, Britain didn't classify all refugees as refugees; some were interned on the Isle of Man, in rather comfortable surroundings, for the duration of the war. Jewish refugees were allowed to work, internees were not. Many Jewish refugees joined the British army. Switzerland actively sent Jews back to the Nazis.

You are just trying to pretend that the concept of a Jewish refugee didn't exist, because no one was letting them in. That is patently untrue.