1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Ah, so in your opinion, one can be proud of one's country without being patriotic? Then logically one can be patriotic without being proud to be a citizen.....

Sounds to me like you are doing what the Dutch call "ant fvcking"....the equivalent of splitting hairs to avoid the actual issue.

So then, if you want, what explains the lack of pride in Democrats?

So are you saying that the more patriotic a person is, the better that person is? Because if you are then I strongly disagree. There comes a point where patriotism turns into fanaticism, where "patriotism" closes down critical thinking. Famous historical example would be the Japanese soldiers and large part of the Japanese population during WW2.

When does patriotism turn unhealthy? Obviously not a clear line, but when you defend your country against criticism for actions that are generally considered immoral/ evil and against international law then IMO it's time to take a long, hard look in the mirror.

Nothing wrong in a bit of patriotic pride though if your PM gives the finger to the neighborhood bully by totally outsmarting him.

1 hour ago, SingAPorn said:

Trump by helping still Ukraine is causing inflation to hike all over that is destroying even America's economy.

No Sir. False statement.

Zero help from the US under Trump and Hegseth. Every single piece of whatsoever coming from the US is paid by other NATO members.

1 hour ago, SingAPorn said:

As the Ukraines are bombing oil refineries in Russia. This is decreasing global oil supply and thus prices hike.

No Sir. False statement.

The closure of the straight of Hormus increased the gas and oil prices.

1 hour ago, SingAPorn said:

Europe is foolishly also giving large amount of aid to Ukraine that is backfiring.

Question: As your first two statements are incorrect - what exactly is backfiring? If you mean it backfires to Putins Russia - I agree. Otherwise also a false statement from you.

2 hours ago, SingAPorn said:

With his mess Trump is all set for the Republicans to loose forthcomming elections in America and global support of the USA is going to dwindle even more.

I agree with this. The mess - wanted and enforced by the 47th and his administration - might lead the loss of the upcoming elections.

Global support under this administration has already declined and will continue to wane with a blockhead who constantly snubs friends and allies.

1 hour ago, Wingate said:

Dems are less patriotic? How did you measure that?

Republicans do not seem to know American ideals, such as rule of law, freedom of speech, the press, assembly and belief or not. Trump and Miller want to suspend habeas corpus. That's not patriotic.

By the way, if you're so patriotic, where did you ever serve the nation?

Stick your nonsense where the sun doesn't shine.

See my above post quoting statistic from Yougov.

If you want my bona fides, I served in the military for 3 years. After that, volunteer work in a, I guess you would say a soup kitchen run by a local church. Regular donor to the Sally Ann.

Your mistake is all too common. You conflate the current government with feelings towards your country in general. That seems common on the left. No long term vision or ability to see beyond your own immediate emotional reactions. The polling seems to bear that out rather clearly.

5 hours ago, BLMFem said:

Listen to this clown show. A guy stuck his hand into the green sludge in the (non)Reflecting Pool, and he promptly got arrested* and indicted.

It would seem he ripped some of the lining out. If this is the case why would you do that? There's a certain term that's probably still not allowed on here but it would very nicely describe why a person would do such a thing. It's quite frankly madness and a madness driven by the left and disseminated by MSM. As for a possible ten year sentence this won't happen. Possibly more than a slap on the wrist which is now the progressive judicial system's way (slap and release) but I very much doubt ten years.

16 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

So are you saying that the more patriotic a person is, the better that person is? Because if you are then I strongly disagree. There comes a point where patriotism turns into fanaticism, where "patriotism" closes down critical thinking. Famous historical example would be the Japanese soldiers and large part of the Japanese population during WW2.

When does patriotism turn unhealthy? Obviously not a clear line, but when you defend your country against criticism for actions that are generally considered immoral/ evil and against international law then IMO it's time to take a long, hard look in the mirror.

Nothing wrong in a bit of patriotic pride though if your PM gives the finger to the neighborhood bully by totally outsmarting him.

Not necessarily. The same way that there is a difference between patriotism and nationalism. My point was that on the right, patriotism and love of country do not swing based on who happens to be in power at the time. They are rather constant. The same is not true on the left.

As I have said many times, Carney is doing well IMHO. I didn't vote for him, but he is my Prime Minister and, for what it's worth, I will support him as such and wish him success. To me, that is a mark of true patriotism. Putting one's country ahead of whatever the current domestic political situation may be.

Anything that brings greater independence and diversity in the economy is a good thing. And I am sure he would be doing the same thing no matter who is temporarily inhabiting the White House. Don't make the mistake of thinking the world revolves around Trump, and that every decision a country makes is due to him. We just aren't as obsessed as you are.

54 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Your rebuttal contains multiple logical fallacies with no supporting reasoning.

1) Straw man — misrepresents my position by implying I claimed the two are completely unrelated.

2) False equivalence / false dichotomy — treats the concepts as either identical or completely separate, ignoring that they can be related without being the same thing.

3) Appeal to ridicule — dismisses my argument by mocking the distinction instead of engaging with it.

4) Red herring / burden shifting — diverts from whether your evidence supports your original claim by shifting the burden to me to explain the survey results.

54 minutes ago, LosLobo said:

Your rebuttal contains multiple logical fallacies with no supporting reasoning.

1) Straw man — misrepresents my position by implying I claimed the two are completely unrelated.

2) False equivalence / false dichotomy — treats the concepts as either identical or completely separate, ignoring that they can be related without being the same thing.

3) Appeal to ridicule — dismisses my argument by mocking the distinction instead of engaging with it.

4) Red herring / burden shifting — diverts from whether your evidence supports your original claim by shifting the burden to me to explain the survey results.

You said yourself, "Gallup measures pride, not patriotism. Pride is one sentiment; patriotism includes actions, service, and civic responsibility." That implies that the two are unrelated and that a measurement of one is meaningless in relation to the other.

You also said, "Saying Republicans report higher pride doesn’t make it an ‘undisputed fact’ that they’re more patriotic — it just shows a difference in survey responses." So I provided polling to show that it is, in fact, a fact that they are more patriotic.

I provided evidence for both claims that Republicans have more pride in their country AND are more patriotic. Do you dispute that?

Meh... a nothing burger.

Markets on fire again, dividends juicier than ever.

Mr Turmp proving he is a friend to Israel and the whole middle east. The entire world in fact.

13 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

To me, that is a mark of true patriotism. Putting one's country ahead of whatever the current domestic political situation may be.

Indeed but alas it's "the current domestic political situation" that may well take the country in another direction be it positive or negative. If you want to put the country first I don't see how you can ignore the politics of the day.

45 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Indeed but alas it's "the current domestic political situation" that may well take the country in another direction be it positive or negative. If you want to put the country first I don't see how you can ignore the politics of the day.

45 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Indeed but alas it's "the current domestic political situation" that may well take the country in another direction be it positive or negative. If you want to put the country first I don't see how you can ignore the politics of the day.

Because country is bigger than party. It's that simple, at least to me. Presidents especially are term limited so the direction they may go is therefore also limited.

Of course I don't ignore politics of the day, but I categorize them differently than my long standing and deep feelings of patriotism. One idiot leader can't damage that. And we had one whom I was, shall we say, less than fond of, for a decade. Had no impact on my patriotism.

Always dangerous facing deranged leftist ANTIFA types.

They are violent filth.

All we can do is keep the moral high ground and fight fight fight.

6 hours ago, dinsdale said:

It would seem he ripped some of the lining out. If this is the case why would you do that? There's a certain term that's probably still not allowed on here but it would very nicely describe why a person would do such a thing. It's quite frankly madness and a madness driven by the left and disseminated by MSM. As for a possible ten year sentence this won't happen. Possibly more than a slap on the wrist which is now the progressive judicial system's way (slap and release) but I very much doubt ten years.

"it would seem...a lot of people are saying......some say he was paid ..probably antifa....can't be true as trump assured lining can not be cut and would last 50 years ...and could not be cut with a knife, "

...all driven by "MSM madness" and a leftie so dumb that he did his dastardly deed in broad daylight in front of cops....yeah right...how dare him stick his hand in algae filled water and look at a piece of the cut liner floating on top wondering how this can possibly be failing after a few days when dear leader said 50 years ....lock him up or firing squad...maybe he thought the pool was filled with a new green kool aide and wanted a cup? people are saying, a lot of people say, i don't know but i heard.....

5 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Because country is bigger than party. It's that simple, at least to me. Presidents especially are term limited so the direction they may go is therefore also limited.

Of course I don't ignore politics of the day, but I categorize them differently than my long standing and deep feelings of patriotism. One idiot leader can't damage that. And we had one whom I was, shall we say, less than fond of, for a decade. Had no impact on my patriotism.

There are people on the left that want to fundementaly change what the USA is. They are called Democratic Socialists.

20 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Not the same thing. Polling clearly shows that left leaning folks overwhelmingly do NOT feel proud or very proud to be an American. And that this number drops precipitously when a Republican is elected, and also has been dropping overall in the past 25 years.

Any clues as to why?

Sure we are ashamed of the criminal in the White House you as a Canadian shouldn’t be in the least surprised.Im certainly not a Republican anymore but I still am proud of what my country is,just not this abomination of a administration that is a traitor to everything our country stands for.we will get back on track soon.

20 minutes ago, Tug said:

Sure we are ashamed of the criminal in the White House you as a Canadian shouldn’t be in the least surprised.Im certainly not a Republican anymore but I still am proud of what my country is,just not this abomination of a administration that is a traitor to everything our country stands for.we will get back on track soon.

Actually, I am surprised that you cannot separate partisan politics from patriotism.

Think of this: reverse the situation. What would you think of Americans who were ashamed of Biden as President, who thought his administration was an abomination, to the extent that it influenced how they felt about the country as a whole?

White House officials are reportedly concerned that attendance may fall short of expectations.

Don't worry. Trumplanders are dumb. They'll believe anything Donnie tells them. Just lie and say it was bigger than Obama's inauguration. And he also won in 2020. Sure. Anything. They'll believe it. 😭

No crowds = no worries

Simple

10 hours ago, dinsdale said:

There are people on the left that want to fundementaly change what the USA is. They are called Democratic Socialists.

Or rather "social democrats". The US could do with more of those.

30 minutes ago, BLMFem said:

Or rather "social democrats". The US could do with more of those.

I think you need to read a bit more about the candidates and the DSA...

Free tuition, room and board, and elimination of university student debt.

Abolish the police, ICE, Supreme Court, Electoral College

32 hour work week, rent control everywhere

Doesnt sound a lot like Bill Clinton's Democratic Party, does it?

I wrote "social democrats", as in the European tradition.

On 7/3/2026 at 4:42 AM, Hanaguma said:

It is rather pathetic that those on the left cannot simply celebrate the 250 birthday out of a sense of pride and patriotism.

Yet polling clearly shows that Democrats' pride in being American has been slipping for 25 years. And slips even more if a Republican wins the Presidency. At the moment, less that n30% feel proud or very proud to be American.

There is no such effect on Republican voters.

Here's some numbers. Democrats hate America, no surprise.

7 minutes ago, boganJoe said:

Here's some numbers. Democrats hate America, no surprise.

GeographicReference

No one like America under Trump and that include the whole world. Don’t you get it?

This is a shot of a Fox segment, and I can't for the life of me figure out what they're trying to do. Scare or endorse??😂

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

No one like America under Trump and that include the whole world. Don’t you get it?

Again, your hysterical reaction in the face of basic facts just shows that you are being ruled by emotion rather than reason. He WON the last election rather handily.

The world hates Trump and American governance for having done things so foolishly that have led for oil prices to soar. High oil price means almost everything will increase as more then we imagine, is connected to the price of oil. Not to mention the local crooks who are quick to increase prices when the Brent barrel goes up. But when the Brent drops, it's another story.

21 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

I think you need to read a bit more about the candidates and the DSA...

Free tuition, room and board, and elimination of university student debt.

Abolish the police, ICE, Supreme Court, Electoral College

32 hour work week, rent control everywhere

Doesnt sound a lot like Bill Clinton's Democratic Party, does it?

So the USA is on the right track. A pity that what you're saying aren't the policies of the democratic party.

It's America's 250th Birthday , but he makes it all about himself,

the most narcissistic ,maniacal ,demented, President ever,

Happy Birthday to USA

regards worgeordie

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

So the USA is on the right track. A pity that what you're saying aren't the policies of the democratic party.

Politics(Right)

It would be amazing if the Demcrats were to run on those policies. Amazing.

Trump: America is the 'crowning achievement of human history'

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/america-250-independence-day-trump-july-4

It seems that millions of patriotic U.S. citizens and illegals tuned in to watch President Trump glorify the great achievement of the creation of the greatest country in the world. President Trump just keeps Making America Great Again.

America is the 'crowning achievement of human history'

Not even been on here for 20 minutes.....and there it is......first LOL of the day.....555