19 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

If more people looked at their bodies as a machine they want to run efficiently, they might not add junk to the gas tanks. Empty calories mean just that. It's best if you eat healthy the majority of the time, so you can get away with having an unhealthy snack once in awhile.

Here, as well as back home, what I see are mothers giving their children junk to appease them, and sometimes to shut them up, with no thought of what they're setting their children up for later. Feeding a crying child cake is ingraining sweets with pleasure even more. Fat kids come from fat adult households, until they separate that thinking and want better for themselves. My ex tries to give my daughter snacks all the time, along with grandma, even though diabetes is in both of our families . This is why she rarely gets them at my house, and those are healthier snacks.

I agree but some get great pleasure from ever eating. I can't relate but up to them.

THe risks are so high and they do it blind. By blind, I mean they don't even test their blood sugar at home until a doctor tells them they are in trouble. Seems just insane to me and when it literally cost 220 baht for a meter and another 200 baht for a few months of strips. Every home should have a glucose meter with a picture on it like they have on cig packs. Diabetes is no fun.

8 minutes ago, atpeace said:

I did buy 20g but the decarbed weed seems to change from THC to CBD after 5 months.

It turns to cbn.

yes - I'm bad with abbreviations :) It makes me hallucinate which I don't like.

30 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Do you test your glucose regularly? This is arguably the most important health indicator. Anything you measure consistently improves and almost without effort :)

No I dont check it because I know how to manage it.

If you are eating frequent meals and/or a lot of carbs, you may need to check it.

Just now, save the frogs said:

No I dont check it because I know how to manage it.

If you are eating frequent meals and/or a lot of carbs, you may need to check it.

OK, up to you but seems risky to me if you are overweight and over 60. I have known many healthy people by their estimation that find out they are well past the the pre-diabetic stage. If your fasted is over 110 consistently then it is more when and not if you will be put on meds if you don't take some profound steps to correct the situation.

35 minutes ago, atpeace said:

I agree but some get great pleasure from ever eating. I can't relate but up to them.

THe risks are so high and they do it blind. By blind, I mean they don't even test their blood sugar at home until a doctor tells them they are in trouble. Seems just insane to me and when it literally cost 220 baht for a meter and another 200 baht for a few months of strips. Every home should have a glucose meter with a picture on it like they have on cig packs. Diabetes is no fun.

The locals aren't much into testing here it seems. My ex and her mom and a couple siblings just go monthly to the hospital to find out their blood sugar is 200-300, and just take shots without testing.

11 hours ago, atpeace said:

Athletes have huge spikes and don't damage their arteries in the least because of the insulin flexibility. I can spike up to 150+ for example after a big high carb lunch but it drops extremely fast. It isn't the spike that is the issue. It is that the cells stop accepting insulin and it builds up in your blood and damages cells and other organs. It freaks me out! Had to take care of a diabetic during Covid because nobody was around. He was healthy he thought pre-Covid and then he wasn't. He died within 45 days.

I get what you are saying and you are correct when you apply it to unhealthy people. I'm not crapping on unhealthy people and just being real. Take control of your health and know how to interpret health stats because expecting your doc to catch diabetes early is a dream.

How is the new exercise regimen going ? It get better after a while I think....

People with high glucose / HbA1c should invest in a CGM for 2 or 4 weeks, to monitor their spikes, as it is very eye opening.

What foods cause quick but short spikes, vs, much longer spikes. How simply walking after a meal affects the spikes, increasing or decreasing, and longevity of.

Every aspect of eating, and activity, and even the order in which you eat the veggies, protien, carb, and rate of digestion effects the spikes and duration of.

Can highly recommend the one I used, and some asked how could it be accurate as inexpensive compared to other brands. It's Asia, and things are priced for the market. It was very highly rated, and is available on LAZ official store, or own site.

Actually tempted to get it again for a month, but can't seem to stay local for a month, to test what I eat normally, as I was more interest in the crap from 7-11 that we eat when O&A. Concentrated on that for the 2 weeks that I had. With a glucose of 5.0 now, don't think I need to check again.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1376055-cgm-constant-glucose-monitor/

Lots of things I didn't test, as I followed a YT'er's channel focused on CGM that's excellent and matched my findings.

Edited July 17Jul 17 by KhunLA

9 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

https://aseannow.com/topic/1376055-cgm-constant-glucose-monitor/

Lots of things I didn't test, as I followed a YT'er's channel focused on CGM that's excellent and matched my findings.

Just added it to my cart.

I'm such a heavy sweater (understatement) and I have my doubts that it will stay on but not expensive so worth a try. Off for a sweaty run now. Below are my number recently. I test so often that is almost like a continuous glucose meter. Sometimes I'll test every 30 minutes after a huge lunch to proof AI wrong. AI thinks I can't drop a 160 to a 100 in 2.5 hours and I can! It is actually a fun competition for me being the nerd that I am. I hope there isn't anything embarrassing in the notes :) I crested an app that populates the spreadsheet.

53 minutes ago, atpeace said:

OK, up to you but seems risky to me if you are overweight and over 60. I have known many healthy people by their estimation that find out they are well past the the pre-diabetic stage. If your fasted is over 110 consistently then it is more when and not if you will be put on meds if you don't take some profound steps to correct the situation.

I have taken steps.

But I will check all my blood work soon.

No need for daily glucose monitoring. HBA1C is good enough. And fasting insulin.

Not sure if there are other markers.

13 hours ago, atpeace said:

You are right in regards to the average older adult today. Not 75 years ago. Healthy individual have no issue with insulin production even if they eat high carb diets. If you are insulin resistant then it applies.

BTW, it is confusing but you are confusing insulin resistance with insulin production. THe main issue isn't the production of insulin but cell not accepting it.

Ill informed nonsense.

Consuming foods with a high glycemic index drives insulin resistance, turning healthy people into insulin resistant.

Diabetes in children was almost unheard of a couple generations ago and when it did exist it was almost entirely Type 1.

Industrial processed food, corn syrup and sugar laden foods have created an epidemic of obesity and diabetes.

preventable

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can be stopped or avoided before it happens by not putting so much crap in your mouth

50 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

What foods cause quick but short spikes, vs, much longer spikes.

Long spikes are bad.

But is a quick but short spike harmless?

Does it depend how high it spikes?

Is there really any way to correlate CGM readings to insulin resistance?

At the end of the day, we're all trying to avoid insulin resistance.

Not sure there's any reliable way to correlate those CGM readings.

But I guess if you correlate these spikes to your HBA1C and fasting insulin blood work, it may be helpful.

But seems a bit complicated and tedious and non-scientific.

Edited July 17Jul 17 by save the frogs

15 hours ago, johng said:

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What is it with people like you? A topic completely unrelated and with no relation to covid is mentioned and right away you have to hijack the topic and try to to change the subject to one of your personal obsessions. Normal people do not want to hear about your imagined covid stories. You possess neither the field/work experience nor the education needed to comprehend complex public health studies, and yet you offer a snippet of something you think is clever , that you found on one of your cult websites. You are not sharing a thoughtful opinion, but are instead pushing your nonsensical claims.

2 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Just added it to my cart.

I'm such a heavy sweater (understatement) and I have my doubts that it will stay on but not expensive so worth a try. Off for a sweaty run now. Below are my number recently. I test so often that is almost like a continuous glucose meter. Sometimes I'll test every 30 minutes after a huge lunch to proof AI wrong. AI thinks I can't drop a 160 to a 100 in 2.5 hours and I can! It is actually a fun competition for me being the nerd that I am. I hope there isn't anything embarrassing in the notes :) I crested an app that populates the spreadsheet.

What I always found strange when getting blood work done, sugar level always in high range, whether HbA1c was high or not. Even though blood always drawn after 12+ hr fast.

2020 both high, expected

2024

2025 (May) glucose still on high end @ 105, while HbA1c mid range

2026 (May)

When I was using the CGM, even with really high long spikes, with all the crap I was tesing, meter still estimated my HbA1c would be in a high 6.3 range, and actually expected it to be a bit higher.

Not too surprising, the 6.3 guessimate, matchs my 2020 HbA1c blood work, when I actually did eat crappy all the time. 6 months earlier, before 2 weeks of abuse in Oct 2025, HbA1c was 5.3 during May 2025 blood work. And now 5.0 six months after.

So kudos for the meter, having a pretty accurate guessimate, if one continues to eat crap, all the time.

Applying CGM was really easy, and just make sure as dry as possible, and I placed in thickest part of my tricep. Avoided getting it wet in shower, though states all waterproof. You really do forget it's there, except when showering.

Edited July 17Jul 17 by KhunLA

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Ill informed nonsense.

Consuming foods with a high glycemic index drives insulin resistance, turning healthy people into insulin resistant.

Diabetes in children was almost unheard of a couple generations ago and when it did exist it was almost entirely Type 1.

Industrial processed food, corn syrup and sugar laden foods have created an epidemic of obesity and diabetes.

Calm down and you are completely undeniably wrong. THink about what you are saying. Your anger is blinding you.

Processed foods eaten to excess cause diabetes. Too much research to confirm this and easy to find. Processed foods are designed to be hard for people to control consumption. If you eat too many calories that are packed into processed foods then you will have issues. I eat tons of processed foods but burn what I consume. Hence my 5-9% body fat at 59 and pristine liver and kidney numbers that are better than most 20 yo's. Processed foods that are fortified with nutrients are a perfect fit for my healthy lifestyle.

People want to blame anything but themselves. It is you and your lack of control that is the issue.

12 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Calm down and you are completely undeniably wrong. THink about what you are saying. Your anger is blinding you.

Processed foods eaten to excess cause diabetes. Too much research to confirm this and easy to find. Processed foods are designed to be hard for people to control consumption. If you eat too many calories that are packed into processed foods then you will have issues. I eat tons of processed foods but burn what I consume. Hence my 5-9% body fat at 59 and pristine liver and kidney numbers that are better than most 20 yo's. Processed foods that are fortified with nutrients are a perfect fit for my healthy lifestyle.

People want to blame anything but themselves. It is you and your lack of control that is the issue.

Unless you are burning off the high glycemic foods you eat almost immediately after eating them then you are avoiding the impact it has on your health.

I’ll take your word for your body fat% and liver/kidney function.

I’ll stick with the science on consumption of high glycemic index foods.

There's a practicing cardiologist from Florida that has some interesting videos about all this. He says he became interested in the subject because a large percentage of all the patients that ended up on his operating table had diabetes. He wanted to know why. Anyway, if anyone is interested, I'll post a link to one of the videos. He has lots of them, and they're probably worth watching for anyone who is trying to stay healthy and avoid heart problems.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Unless you are burning off the high glycemic foods you eat almost immediately after eating them then you are avoiding the impact it has on your health.

I’ll take your word for your body fat% and liver/kidney function.

I’ll stick with the science on consumption of high glycemic index foods.

Good points but the science states that it is overconsumption of processed foods that is the issue. The science wins in this case because it is simple math. Calories in needs to match calories out consistently to be healthy.

In the end, we are not too far off. Processed foods are bad for the majority of the population and maybe some regulation is needed. I hate the government stepping on my choices but sometimes it is needed. Coke and like products wreck many people's health.

8 minutes ago, jas007 said:

There's a practicing cardiologist from Florida that has some interesting videos about all this. He says he became interested in the subject because a large percentage of all the patients that ended up on his operating table had diabetes. He wanted to know why. Anyway, if anyone is interested, I'll post a link to one of the videos. He has lots of them, and they're probably worth watching for anyone who is trying to stay healthy and avoid heart problems.

This guy is good but haven't watched this vid.

12 minutes ago, jas007 said:

There's a practicing cardiologist from Florida that has some interesting videos about all this. He says he became interested in the subject because a large percentage of all the patients that ended up on his operating table had diabetes. He wanted to know why. Anyway, if anyone is interested, I'll post a link to one of the videos. He has lots of them, and they're probably worth watching for anyone who is trying to stay healthy and avoid heart problems.

Doctors are focusing only on cholesterol levels, probably so they can push statin drugs, or they don't know any better.

There are multiple issues that may lead to heart problems.

One of them is insulin resistance.

This is why it's not surprising that someone may have both diabetes and heart health issues.

Edited July 17Jul 17 by save the frogs

15 hours ago, atpeace said:

Athletes have huge spikes and don't damage their arteries in the least because of the insulin flexibility. I can spike up to 150+ for example after a big high carb lunch but it drops extremely fast. It isn't the spike that is the issue. It is that the cells stop accepting insulin and it builds up in your blood and damages cells and other organs. It freaks me out! Had to take care of a diabetic during Covid because nobody was around. He was healthy he thought pre-Covid and then he wasn't. He died within 45 days.

I get what you are saying and you are correct when you apply it to unhealthy people. I'm not crapping on unhealthy people and just being real. Take control of your health and know how to interpret health stats because expecting your doc to catch diabetes early is a dream.

How is the new exercise regimen going ? It get better after a while I think....

Athletes do not have huge spikes, unless they’re binging and not following a training plan diet.

The science of diet/fueling is arguably the single biggest development in sports performance over the past 20 years.

Typical fueling for modern endurance athletes will comprise 100g of carbs immediately before an event followed by 60g after the first 30 minutes snd 60g every subsequent 30 minutes.

They’ll aim to replace between 30% to 50% of the calories they are burning, there is next to zero fluctuation in blood glucose as carbs consumed are immediately burned.

The aim most sophisticated fueling methods will combine both sucrose and fructose in order to utilize two energy absorption paths.

Coaches who are fine tuning their athletes feeding plans will utilize constant glucose monitors, they absolutely are not fueling athletes to cause ‘spikes’.

Edited July 17Jul 17 by Chomper Higgot

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Athletes do not have huge spikes, unless they’re binging and not following a training plan diet.

The science of diet/fueling is arguably the single biggest development in sports performance over the past 20 years.

Typical fueling for modern endurance athletes will comprise 100g of carbs immediately before an event followed by 60g after the first 30 minutes snd 60g every subsequent 30 minutes.

They’ll aim to replace between 30% to 50% of the calories they are burning, there is next to zero fluctuation in blood glucose as carbs consumed are immediately burned.

The aim most sophisticated fueling methods will combine both sucrose and fructose in order to utilize two energy absorption paths.

Coaches who are fine tuning their athletes feeding plans will utilize constant glucose monitors, they absolutely are not fueling athletes to cause ‘spikes’.

Yet the research shows huge spikes when elite endurance athletes use continuous glucose meters. THink you are falling for the marketing and not following the science :)

11 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Doctors are focusing only on cholesterol levels, probably so they can push statin drugs, or they don't know any better.

There are multiple issues that may lead to heart problems.

One of them is insulin resistance.

This is why it's not surprising that someone may have both diabetes and heart health issues.

You are right but it is not a casual correlation :) Insulin resistance is like a wrecking ball in regards to your cardiovascular system.

Eating too many processed foods will eventually backfire on your body as you're not getting the nutrients your body needs, even if your metabolism or activity level is high. The body needs all the essential nutrients and the junk foods are low in nutritional value, meaning empty calories, much of which you'll waste.

A lot of this won't be seen until you are in your 60's or later, many people getting away with eating too much junk for a long time until it catches up to them.

One main reason the Blue Zone people live so long is that healthy lifestyle diet all their lives.

The problem in Thailand is not only eating that high glycemic white rice almost every meal, especially if you have diabetes, but the western crapola that's been inundating Thailand for decades and is increasing yearly.

I'm sure when expats came here 20 or more years ago, they didn't see the amount of overweight or obese people that they do now. Some bodies can handle that processed food for awhile, but in time it'll catch up to most anyone. I've been eating 4-5 meals a day for 50 years,high natural carbs, and my blood levels have always been low, as junk isn't on my list bu rarely.

Edited July 17Jul 17 by fredwiggy

1 minute ago, atpeace said:

Yet the research shows huge spikes when elite endurance athletes use continuous glucose meters. THink you are falling for the marketing and not following the science :)

Maybe you’re following the marketing ;-)

Or you missed the bit about using continuous monitors to fine tune fueling.

Edited July 17Jul 17 by Chomper Higgot

2 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Long spikes are bad.

But is a quick but short spike harmless?

Does it depend how high it spikes?

Is there really any way to correlate CGM readings to insulin resistance?

At the end of the day, we're all trying to avoid insulin resistance.

Not sure there's any reliable way to correlate those CGM readings.

But I guess if you correlate these spikes to your HBA1C and fasting insulin blood work, it may be helpful.

But seems a bit complicated and tedious and non-scientific.

It would be perfect for you and you will learn how to interpret the numbers. It isn't too difficult. You already understand the basics and a little more research and you will be an expert.

Every country puts additives into its food but the USA goes overboard.

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Maybe following the marketing ;-)

Or you missed the bit about using continuous monitors to fine tune fueling.

No, I read it and like I said you are falling for the marketing :) THe science shows that "elite" endurance athletes have huge spikes. Their extremely insulin flexible and is not an issue.

4 hours ago, atpeace said:

I agree but some get great pleasure from ever eating. I can't relate but up to them.

THe risks are so high and they do it blind. By blind, I mean they don't even test their blood sugar at home until a doctor tells them they are in trouble. Seems just insane to me and when it literally cost 220 baht for a meter and another 200 baht for a few months of strips. Every home should have a glucose meter with a picture on it like they have on cig packs. Diabetes is no fun.

Surely not. My brother died at 67 from a heart attack, brought on by having diabetes and not losing weight. His heart was always strong and towards the end , he was on heart medicine.My son, who's always been active, 34 now, has diabetes for about 5 years now. Uncles and aunts did also. I tested my blood sugar visiting them last year and it was 88, so I'm thinking I won't inherit it, seeing I'm almost 70 now and always eat healthy, even though it's high carbs all my life, but natural sources.

10 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Surely not. My brother died at 67 from a heart attack, brought on by having diabetes and not losing weight. His heart was always strong and towards the end , he was on heart medicine.My son, who's always been active, 34 now, has diabetes for about 5 years now. Uncles and aunts did also. I tested my blood sugar visiting them last year and it was 88, so I'm thinking I won't inherit it, seeing I'm almost 70 now and always eat healthy, even though it's high carbs all my life, but natural sources.

It will be the number 1 cause of death soon I think. Our health systems have failed miserably while focussing on keeping people alive after they have diabetes.

Most docs won't even question a fasted 105 mg/dl when it should be huge red flag. Almost criminal IMO. Catching it early provides so many options to resolve it. On this forums health site, I've read posts where the poster just found out they are diabetic and they were healthy by their estimation before being diabetic. If the docs were truly concerned about the patient they would have tested earlier and explained the results. It showed up probably decades prior and was easy to see.