1 hour ago, atpeace said:

Has little to do with it being processed and everything to do with eating too much of it. I eat loads of processed food and at 59 have excellent blood numbers, blood pressure, and insulin flexibility. People like to blame anything but themselves. If you can't restrain yourself from binge eating processed food then the simple solution is don't eat it.

Agree, as had some bolagna the other day, and some chorizo today. Munching on 'almond delight' pastry this week, and tasty stuff. Had a nice Pandan & Coconut cake at the coffee shop a few days ago.

My blood work is excellent. Especially HbA1c @ 5.0 ... go figure.

Edited July 16Jul 16 by KhunLA

12 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

No one has a limitless production of insulin.

Since none of us here are in our 20s, it's better to start making the adjustments sooner rather than wait until it's too late.

From AI:

You are right in regards to the average older adult today. Not 75 years ago. Healthy individual have no issue with insulin production even if they eat high carb diets. If you are insulin resistant then it applies.

BTW, it is confusing but you are confusing insulin resistance with insulin production. THe main issue isn't the production of insulin but cell not accepting it.

1 hour ago, johng said:

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1186/s40364-025-00831-w

The oncogenic potential of SARS-CoV-2 has been hypothetically proposed, but real-world data on COVID-19 infection and vaccination are insufficient. Therefore, this large-scale population-based retrospective study in Seoul, South Korea, aimed to estimate the cumulative incidences and subsequent risks of overall cancers 1 year after COVID-19 vaccination.

The authors themselves state they cannot infer causality! 😄

Moreover, this study presents significant methodological flaws and its results have been misrepresented in antivax SM.

https://science.feedback.org/review/south-korea-study-not-evidence-covid-vaccines-cause-cancer

https://factually.co/fact-checks/health/south-korea-study-cancer-diagnoses-after-covid-vaccination-findings-limitations-907989

3 minutes ago, atpeace said:

You are right in regards to the average older adult today. Not 75 years ago. Healthy individual have no issue with insulin production even if they eat high carb diets. If you are insulin resistant then it applies.

BTW, it is confusing but you are confusing insulin resistance with insulin production. THe main issue isn't the production of insulin but cell not accepting it.

Probably because processed foods were not consumed much 75 years ago.

Yeah sorry . I made a mistake there.

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

Agree, as had some bolagna the other day, and some chorizo today. Munching on 'almond delight' pastry this week, and tasty stuff. Had a nice Pandan & Coconut cake at the coffee shop a few days.

My blood work is excellent. Especially HbA1c @ 5.0 ... go figure.

Now that is rolling the dice -555. You measure the important things and adjust I assume. Weird how people would rather not measure simple things and then are surprised when the doc gives them the bad news. The doctor had the data for decades but rarely tells the patient until it reaches a point where meds are needed.

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

Probably because processed foods were not consumed much 75 years ago.

Yeah sorry . I made a mistake there.

That and they didn't eat too much. Really doesn't matter how you get obese for example. If you ate mango or plums upon waking and until going to bed, you would still be f'ed.

9 minutes ago, candide said:

The authors themselves state they cannot infer causality!

You can only ignore the smoking gun for so long.

Ignore it for as long as you want the evidence continues to accumulate.

2 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Now that is rolling the dice -555. You measure the important things and adjust I assume. Weird how people would rather not measure simple things and then are surprised when the doc gives them the bad news. The doctor had the data for decades but rarely tells the patient until it reaches a point where meds are needed.

Those are off set in the same day by whole grains, fruits, protein, healthy fats, to minimize the UPF's impact.

My Glucose was as high as 6.3 back in 2020, I think, so I've cut way back on my pastries, and glucose steadily droppd every year. Moderation to max with processed foods, relative to the past.

No boxes or bags of in the house, as I know I have little will power to walk pass them in the kitchen. That aspect, there is little to no UPF in the house to tempt me. Best way to not eat them, is don't buy them, and only shop after eating, never when hungry.

We don't buy many foods with labels, or with more than 4 or so ingredients.

55 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Whenever blood sugar spikes too high, it causes damages to the arteries. These cereals no doubt have a very high glycemic index.

At the very least, eat some protein with it to minimize the blood spike.

But even then, there are so many chemicals in these cereals, I would hardly classify them as healthy. It's a cheat meal, not something to be eaten daily. In my opinion.

AI:

Athletes have huge spikes and don't damage their arteries in the least because of the insulin flexibility. I can spike up to 150+ for example after a big high carb lunch but it drops extremely fast. It isn't the spike that is the issue. It is that the cells stop accepting insulin and it builds up in your blood and damages cells and other organs. It freaks me out! Had to take care of a diabetic during Covid because nobody was around. He was healthy he thought pre-Covid and then he wasn't. He died within 45 days.

I get what you are saying and you are correct when you apply it to unhealthy people. I'm not crapping on unhealthy people and just being real. Take control of your health and know how to interpret health stats because expecting your doc to catch diabetes early is a dream.

How is the new exercise regimen going ? It get better after a while I think....

23 minutes ago, johng said:

You can only ignore the smoking gun for so long.

Ignore it for as long as you want the evidence continues to accumulate.

What evidence? 😃

1 hour ago, atpeace said:

You never took a stats class - 555

You obviously did not!

Actually, 20 participants can be classified as a valid, albeit small, clinical study. Early-stage exploratory, pilot, and Phase 1 trials typically recruit 20 to 80 participants to evaluate baseline safety, dosing, and proof-of-concept. Studies of this size, however, are statistically underpowered for proving broad efficacy.

While early trials start small, massive later-stage (Phase 3) trials require hundreds or thousands of patients for statistical validity.

https://www.fda.gov/patients/drug-development-process/step-3-clinical-research

1 minute ago, scottiejohn said:

1 hour ago, atpeace said:

You never took a stats class - 555

1 minute ago, scottiejohn said:

You obviously did not!

Actually, 20 participants can be classified as a valid, albeit small, clinical study. Early-stage exploratory, pilot, and Phase 1 trials typically recruit 20 to 80 participants to evaluate baseline safety, dosing, and proof-of-concept. Studies of this size, however, are statistically underpowered for proving broad efficacy.

While early trials start small, massive later-stage (Phase 3) trials require hundreds or thousands of patients for statistical validity.

https://www.fda.gov/patients/drug-development-process/step-3-clinical-research

It isn't a drug trial silly and what you are measuring is extremely important. Really, do a short dive into how stats work and odds. THis study is extremely solid. Double blinds and they rotated the individual in the two groups. No flaws really.

Edited July 16Jul 16 by atpeace

poles and spaniards live on spicy sausage but defy the odds

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

Probably because processed foods were not consumed much 75 years ago.

Yeah sorry . I made a mistake there.

they lived on bread and dripping back then

9 hours ago, atpeace said:

How is the new exercise regimen going ? It get better after a while I think....

You're asking me about my exercise regimen?

I'm getting much fitter.

Some days I get lazy and do nothing, but then get back to doing either some cardio or a bit of resistance training.

Coupled with serious calorie restriction.

With the previous way I was eating, I would need to do 6 hours of cardio a day to burn it off.

I finally found the right balance of food type, food intake, and exercise that keeps me lean and decent tone. Without needing a gym membership and heavy machines. I'll never be super muscular, but I don't care.

Edited July 16Jul 16 by save the frogs

9 hours ago, atpeace said:

Athletes have huge spikes and don't damage their arteries in the least because of the insulin flexibility.

Don't quote me on this, but a researcher named Tim Noakes did an extensive study on carbs. I believe it was focused on athletes.

And I believe, if memory serves me correct, that many high performance athletes were getting diabetes.

In other words, the athletes do burn off the carbs and stay lean due to all that activity, but the body still breaks down eventually even though they appear to be healthy.

But again, it's only a vague recollection of a study I read. And possibly a misinterpretation of the results on my part, as the science does get a bit complicated.

But I would be cautious consuming a massive amount of carbs.

10 hours ago, atpeace said:

That and they didn't eat too much. Really doesn't matter how you get obese for example. If you ate mango or plums upon waking and until going to bed, you would still be f'ed.

Thats because the insulin is constantly elevated.

Maximum 8 hour feeding window.

Eating close to bedtime is really bad. You will not burn that off.

Guys who go for pizza when bars close at 3 AM .... good luck with that.

Edited July 16Jul 16 by save the frogs

9 hours ago, atpeace said:

Had to take care of a diabetic during Covid because nobody was around. He was healthy he thought pre-Covid and then he wasn't. He died within 45 days.

I believe you need to check your fasting insulin levels and HBA1C levels to test for diabetes.

Not sure.

I will educate myself a bit more on blood work and start checking all my numbers soon.

12 hours ago, bannork said:

Easy to say but for the kids and younger generation, processed food is everywhere.

Look at the ubiquitous 7-11s in Thailand. Then in the UK, Tesco Express shops are everywhere, full of 'ready meals'.

Local greengrocers can't compete with their prices.

Look at these figures, and then the youngsters waddling down the streets of Thailand, the US and UK.

Adult obesity rates have nearly tripled globally since 1975, rising from around 5% to 6% in the early 1970s to nearly 20% today. In the United States, adult obesity climbed from about 15% in the 1970s to over 40%. Childhood obesity has seen an even sharper climb, increasing tenfold.

Key trends highlight the scale of the increase:

• Global Adults: According to the World Health Organization, worldwide adult obesity has more than doubled since 1990, with over 890 million adults living with obesity as of 2022.

• Children and Adolescents: In 1970, about 1 in 20 children were affected by obesity. That figure has surged to nearly 1 in 5, marking an accelerated increase.

• Severe Obesity: The prevalence of severe obesity has surged even faster. For instance, UK data from UK Health Security Agency indicates a multi-fold increase over the past few decades, indicating the heaviest individuals are getting heavier.

how much has obesity increased since 1970 - Google Search

The easy deduction is that the junk food manufacturers know exactly what they're doing, adding sugar, salt and oils to their foods. It makes them taste better and they know people get addicted to that.

It is very easy for people to know what's bad for your body these days. but taking that advice is the hardest part, as the numbers of overweight and obese clearly show. Will power beats the manufacturers at their game, but only one person at a time, as the majority can't leave the junk alone.

10 hours ago, atpeace said:

That and they didn't eat too much. Really doesn't matter how you get obese for example. If you ate mango or plums upon waking and until going to bed, you would still be f'ed.

True, as spending all day on the toilet seat isn't a happy day.

12 hours ago, atpeace said:

Has little to do with it being processed and everything to do with eating too much of it. I eat loads of processed food and at 59 have excellent blood numbers, blood pressure, and insulin flexibility. People like to blame anything but themselves. If you can't restrain yourself from binge eating processed food then the simple solution is don't eat it.

Do you drink alcohol ?

48 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Thats because the insulin is constantly elevated.

Maximum 8 hour feeding window.

Eating close to bedtime is really bad. You will not burn that off.

Guys who go for pizza when bars close at 3 AM .... good luck with that.

I only eat twice a day. Try for 10 am and 5 or 6 pm but doesn't always work out time wise.

1 minute ago, blaze master said:

I only eat twice a day. Try for 10 am and 5 or 6 pm but doesn't always work out time wise.

Yeah, that sounds like a good meal schedule.

The constant snacking is a problem.

And leaving a bit of time in the morning and not eating too late is good, in my opinion.

But can be inconvenient if someone wants to meet for lunch at noon or a bit later for supper.

Just tweak it when you need to.

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

You're asking me about my exercise regimen?

I'm getting much fitter.

Some days I get lazy and do nothing, but then get back to doing either some cardio or a bit of resistance training.

Coupled with serious calorie restriction.

With the previous way I was eating, I would need to do 6 hours of cardio a day to burn it off.

I finally found the right balance of food type, food intake, and exercise that keeps me lean and decent tone. Without needing a gym membership and heavy machines. I'll never be super muscular, but I don't care.

That's great and you figured out that it is mostly what you eat and exercise helps. A few oreo cookies takes an hour of exercise to burn. Dropping the cookies seems like the easier solution :)

15 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Do you drink alcohol ?

Yes, every night with an edible. 125 ML mixed in OJ. It is funny that this is considered heavy. I've been around drinkers my whole life and that would be the first hour. People drastically underestimate the amounts they drink on surveys. Below is my last liver test and I spend a little extra to get the GGT test because standard liver tests are worthless for high volume runners. Our muscles create too much of the things they are measuring and it looks like the liver is struggling. GGT is highly sensitive to alcohol consumption and is a classic biomarker for alcohol-induced liver disease or recent excessive drinking. My liver is functioning like a twenty year old:)

liver test

GGT

4/30/2026

U/L

16

12-64

Edited July 17Jul 17 by atpeace

13 minutes ago, atpeace said:

That's great and you figured out that it is mostly what you eat and exercise helps. A few oreo cookies takes an hour of exercise to burn. Dropping the cookies seems like the easier solution :)

If more people looked at their bodies as a machine they want to run efficiently, they might not add junk to the gas tanks. Empty calories mean just that. It's best if you eat healthy the majority of the time, so you can get away with having an unhealthy snack once in awhile.

Here, as well as back home, what I see are mothers giving their children junk to appease them, and sometimes to shut them up, with no thought of what they're setting their children up for later. Feeding a crying child cake is ingraining sweets with pleasure even more. Fat kids come from fat adult households, until they separate that thinking and want better for themselves. My ex tries to give my daughter snacks all the time, along with grandma, even though diabetes is in both of our families . This is why she rarely gets them at my house, and those are healthier snacks.

7 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Yes, every night with an edible. 125 ML mixed in OJ. It is funny that this is considered heavy. I've been around drinkers my whole life and that would be the first hour. People drastically underestimate the amounts they drink on surveys. Below is my last liver test and I spend a little extra to get the GGT test because standard liver tests are worthless for high volume runners. Our muscles create too much of the things they are measuring and it looks like the liver is struggling. GGT is highly sensitive to alcohol consumption and is a classic biomarker for alcohol-induced liver disease or recent excessive drinking. My liver is functioning like a twenty year old:)

liver test

GGT

4/30/2026

U/L

16

12-64

Good work. Maybe try nano edibles if you haven't.

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

I believe you need to check your fasting insulin levels and HBA1C levels to test for diabetes.

Not sure.

I will educate myself a bit more on blood work and start checking all my numbers soon.

Do you test your glucose regularly? This is arguably the most important health indicator. Anything you measure consistently improves and almost without effort :)

9 minutes ago, blaze master said:

Good work. Maybe try nano edibles if you haven't.

I make my own decarbed weed in the the oven . Put in an airtight jar and then take with a big scoop of peanut butter. I'm a caveman :) It is basically free - 10 grams lasts 100 days. I did buy 20g but the decarbed weed seems to change from THC to CBD after 5 months. I can't read a book when of is mostly CBD. Adding 3+2 becomes a challenge.

14 hours ago, bannork said:

In the UK and US, more than half the average diet now consists of UPFs such as breakfast cereals, ready meals, protein bars, fizzy drinks and fast food

Thousands of deaths from heart disease could be prevented by cutting back on ultra-processed foods, according to a new study that adds to growing concern over modern diets. Researchers estimate that heavily processed products may be contributing to up to a third of heart disease cases in high-income countries, prompting renewed calls for tougher public health action.

Junk Food Under Fresh Scrutiny

The modelling study suggests between 23% and 37% of heart disease cases, and between 23% and 38% of related deaths, could be linked to the consumption of ultra-processed foods (UPFs).

The findings, published in the American Journal of Preventive Medicine and presented at the International Congress on Obesity in Mexico, focused on Canada. Researchers said the overall trend is likely to apply across other wealthy nations where UPFs dominate supermarket shelves.

Modern Diets Driving Rising Risks

Ultra-processed foods include products such as ready meals, breakfast cereals, protein bars, fizzy drinks and fast food. In the UK and the US, they now make up more than half of the average diet, while some younger people and those living in disadvantaged communities consume diets made up of as much as 80% UPFs.

The researchers described excessive consumption as a widespread problem driven by the modern food environment rather than individual choice alone. They argued that reducing intake could become a key part of preventing cardiovascular disease.

Pressure Builds for Tougher Action

The study's authors said education campaigns alone would not be enough to reverse current trends. Instead, they called for broader measures including food taxes, clearer front-of-pack labelling, tighter restrictions on marketing and targets to improve the nutritional quality of processed products.

They argued that structural reforms are needed to make healthier choices easier and reduce dependence on heavily processed foods.

Experts Urge Caution Over Findings

Despite the headline figures, independent experts warned the study has important limitations. Professor Kevin McConway, emeritus professor of applied statistics at the Open University, said the modelling was an interesting exercise but cautioned against placing too much confidence in its precise estimates.

While previous research has linked ultra-processed foods to a range of health problems, scientists say further studies are needed to establish exactly how much they contribute to heart disease and premature death.

Reducing ultra-processed foods could prevent thousands of heart disease deaths, study suggests | Ultra-processed foods | The Guardian

"The study's authors said education campaigns alone would not be enough to reverse current trends. Instead, they called for broader measures including food taxes, clearer front-of-pack labelling, tighter restrictions on marketing and targets to improve the nutritional quality of processed products."

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