5 minutes ago, Hummin said:

You lost me with the conspiracy. There is a small dose of truth, but a hell of a lot of speculation, including a false connection to the Rothschild family.

To be fair, the Rothschild link is a reach but Jim's dad was the captain of the ship involved in the ALLEGED incident that started the Vietman War.

As oer the video above, the Doors other band members families also had heavy links to the war industry.

This is why it's folly to woship idols.
Especially those brought to you by big industry : )

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1 minute ago, Hummin said:

The Doors were unique. Their poetry and lyrics are still analyzed, built around timeless themes, and have inspired many new genres up to today.

Yeah, Jim was unique and one of the most talented poets in music.

I just haven't gravitated much to their music for a long time.

I should get back into it

The artists around the world have a great project and they did a Doors song with a couple of the remaining band members.

no actually the stars and planets are so dispersed that its unlikely to be any collision at all when they merge.

if i remember right, our sun will also by that time be a red giant, and earth will if not being swallowed by the sun, at least be warmer than mercurius due to proximity

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2 minutes ago, Rockyroad said:

Jim was a fool. Killed himself with toxic behaviour.

Many artists have killed themselves. Complicated, creative minds tend to struggle with everyday life and responsibility, especially in combination with fame, alcohol, and drugs.

17 minutes ago, Tourist2 said:

The joke is that some of you guys thought u were rebelling by messing up your brains through voluntarily taking <deleted> drugs and listening to these <deleted> ups with their <deleted> messages - also see John Lennon's commie anthem 'Imagine'

Way too much drugs associated with most music.

Either the music tends to promote drug use by its very nature or it just goes hand in hand. Going to a concert meant doing drugs.

And many of the artists destroy themselves with drugs.

Even in Madonna's latest video, there's a scene where they're partying and going cocaine.

But the reality is most people don't come out unscathed from that .

For every high there is a low.

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7 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

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Way too much drugs associated with most music.

Either the music tends to promote drug use by its very nature or it just goes hand in hand. Going to a concert meant doing drugs.

And many of the artists destroy themselves with drugs.

Even in Madonna's latest video, there's a scene where they're partying and going cocaine.

But the reality is most people don't come out unscathed from that .

For every high there is a low.

It's good for the medical industrial complex.

Also, the more degenrate a population is encouraged to become, the easier it is to rule / command.
Example Logic: So many of you/them are degenerates that you have to check in every 3 months / have to make you register your phones with us etc etc etc. for everyone's sAfEtY

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PS 'Even Madonna'? She's been promoting whoredom since day one - blasphemous name - she's never promoted anything except degeneracy hence her looooong career despite <deleted> content overall.
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Edited Saturday at 03:02 PM3 days by Tourist2

29 minutes ago, Tourist2 said:

The joke is that some of you guys thought u were rebelling by messing up your brains through voluntarily taking <deleted> drugs and listening to these <deleted> ups with their <deleted> messages - also see John Lennon's commie anthem 'Imagine'

Depends on the band.

Big difference between Rolling Stones and The Doors.

Jim Morrison does elevate with his deep poetry. But even a lot of their songs get on my nerves.

The Stones -- I don't know what they were doing. They had that "bad boy" rebellion thing going on. Never appealed to me. I guess they made a lot of kids behave badly and get into drugs and give their parents a hard time? And Mick seems to know a lot about the devil because he wrote a song about him.

Yeah, I can chime in on Imagine later on. Tired now.

3 minutes ago, Tourist2 said:

Also, the more degenrate a population is encouraged to become, the easier it is to rule / command.

No one is "ruling" every second of your life.

Take it easy.

1 minute ago, save the frogs said:

The Stones -- I don't know what they were doing. They had that "bad boy" rebellion thing going on. Never appealed to me. I guess they made a lot of kids behave badly and get into drugs and give their parents a hard time? And Mick seems to know a lot about the devil because he wrote a song about him.

Yeah, I can chime in on Imagine later on. Tired now.

Mick Jagger - the prancing, big-lipped leader of the Rolling Stones?

He didn't just fall out of the sky as a rock god.

Nope. This guy went to the London School of Economics (LSE - Established by Fabian Socialists).

That's the fancy school where they teach money, power, politics, and how to run the world.
Other LSE students?: George Soros, David Rockefeller - Pierre Trudeau, Justin Trudeau) and so on and on and on it goes.

Lots of prime ministers, billionaires, bankers, and government bosses came from LSE. It's like a club for people who end up running things.

Anyway, Mick was studying finance and business before he dropped out to chase blues music and become "Sir" Mick - a significant mRnA vaccine promoter during muh coldvids.

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The Setup: Smart Kid Goes Elite School the LSE (Established by Fabian Socialists)

Mick was a good student at first. Good grades, government grant, thinking about becoming a businessman, journalist, or politician.

Then boom — he meets Keith Richards, starts the Stones, and leaves school.

But that LSE connection? That's elite training camp.

LSE pumps out big shots who shape economies and governments. In conspiracy land, it's not random.

It's where they spot talent and steer it.

Tavistock + Beatles + Stones = Social Engineering?

Now the big one: Tavistock Institute.

This is a real place in London that studies how the human mind works - psychology, groups, how to change society.

Tavistock (and friends in British intelligence) don't just study people.

They allegedly engineered the 1960s counterculture.

The story goes like this:

• British smart guys wanted to mess with America (their old colony).

• They helped create the British Invasion — Beatles (first cute, mop-top love boys - then 2 years later drug taking degenerates, free love dirty hippies promoting unwashed indian gUrUs), then the Rolling Stones as the dark, dirty, rebellious yin-yang.

• Music + drugs + free love = break the family, push rebellion, open the door to bigger control later.

• Turn kids against their parents (who wanted the best for them). Make "sex, drugs, and rock n roll" the new religion.

The Beatles get the "peace and love" spell.

The Stones get the "wild, satanic, anti-establishment" spell.

Mick Jagger dancing like a lizard, singing about the devil?

Perfect for the program.

Both bands pushed the youth into a new culture that the elites could steer.

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Mick wasn't some poor kid with a guitar.
He was at LSE — learning the money game from the same system that runs the banks and wars.

Then he 'drops out' and becomes the anti-hero to the Beatles' hero.

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It's classic good cop/bad cop on the radio!

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Tavistock and the intelligence boys cook up the British Invasion to destroy the old America.

Flood the kids with acid, long hair, and 'free love' so they reject God, family, and country.

Mick prancing around like a chaos demon while the MIC gets richer from the mess.

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Same game as Jim Morrison's dad and the false flag wars.

Music industry hacks your minds!

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They create the stars to sell the revolution that keeps you enslaved.

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Coincidence or social engineering?
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UK could no longer control the old colony militarily but culturally?
Yep!

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2 hours ago, Rockyroad said:

Jim was a fool. Killed himself with toxic behaviour.

He was an idiot but he sure came up with some good tunes, which combined with the keyboards of Ray Manzarek, the jazz tinged drums of John Densmore and the Spanish guitar influenced Robbie Kreiger, made for a unique and memorable sound.

Timeless really. There were some great lyrics, imo-

What have they done to the earth, yeah?

What have they done to our fair sister?

Ravaged and plundered and ripped her and bit her

Stuck her with knives in the side of the dawn

And tied her with fences and dragged her down

But there were a lot of crappy ones too. Never mind, the music was/is still fantastic.

The thing is though Ray and John were far out hippies, Jim saw himself as a shaman, the Lizard King, confronting the audience to break through their collective subconscious. It seems that Jim, like Nietzsche, believed in the Dionysus, embracing wine, ecstasy ( read take any drug) and chaos ( his challenges to audiences).

And of course, the fool self -destructed. It seems he mistook the heroin Pamela had bought for cocaine, a fatal mistake.

But the hippie movement went on without Jim, leading to the Green movement and eating organic, healthy food.

8 hours ago, Tourist2 said:

Then boom — he meets Keith Richards, starts the Stones, and leaves school.

But that LSE connection? That's elite training camp.

LSE pumps out big shots who shape economies and governments. In conspiracy land, it's not random.

It's where they spot talent and steer it.

Wow, that's an interesting find.

AI backs it up. Mick Jagger wanted to be a politician!

So the Stones were not "anti establishment" at all.

It was all an act promoted by the elites.

It's all fakery.

You are correct and good find. I never thought to look up his background.

5 hours ago, bannork said:

The thing is though Ray and John were far out hippies, Jim saw himself as a shaman, the Lizard King, confronting the audience to break through their collective subconscious. It seems that Jim, like Nietzsche, believed in the Dionysus, embracing wine, ecstasy ( read take any drug) and chaos ( his challenges to audiences).

And of course, the fool self -destructed. It seems he mistook the heroin Pamela had bought for cocaine, a fatal mistake.

Interesting analysis.

I would say The Doors are a mixed bag of good and evil, like many other rock bands. Or some are just evil.

Interesting and intoxicating sound, deep lyrics, but perhaps a bit too conducive to inspire drug use and reckless behavior, and I'm sure many of their fans went off the deep end listening to L.A. Woman and then going on a heroin binge and over-dosing.

19 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

Interesting analysis.

I would say The Doors are a mixed bag of good and evil, like many other rock bands. Or some are just evil.

Interesting and intoxicating sound, deep lyrics, but perhaps a bit too conducive to inspire drug use and reckless behavior, and I'm sure many of their fans went off the deep end listening to L.A. Woman and then going on a heroin binge and over-dosing.

The music is entrancing, the lyrics bewitching.

I'm sure many fans followed Jim in believing the way to wisdom lay though excess, wrapped up in cosmic, mysterious lyrics and that wonderfully eerie but so melodic music.

Jim tapping in to our shared subconscious

8 minutes ago, bannork said:

The music is entrancing, the lyrics bewitching.

Thats not necessarily a good thing.

I'm sure many of his fans went down a path of self-destruction.

Some of these artists are magicians with a lot of power.

But also depends how you interact with the music, how it affects you.

Most people's first inclination when they hear rock is to get drunk or stoned. But then you're not in control anymore. The music is controlling you.

That's why Led Zeppelin sang "let the music be your master".

And Jimmy Page literally waved a bow on the stage like a magician waving a wand.

Edited Sunday at 12:18 AM3 days by save the frogs

1 hour ago, save the frogs said:

Thats not necessarily a good thing.

I'm sure many of his fans went down a path of self-destruction.

Some of these artists are magicians with a lot of power.

But also depends how you interact with the music, how it affects you.

Most people's first inclination when they hear rock is to get drunk or stoned. But then you're not in control anymore. The music is controlling you.

That's why Led Zeppelin sang "let the music be your master".

And Jimmy Page literally waved a bow on the stage like a magician waving a wand.

Robert Smith of The Cure says he wished to never be born

On 7/17/2026 at 8:25 PM, GammaGlobulin said:

Yes, this is the end.

There will be NOTHING, (for us), following the end...

Only The Doors will survive ...

It is written.

I thought you were going back to America. You'll be safe there. Trump will protect you!

4 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Wow, that's an interesting find.

AI backs it up. Mick Jagger wanted to be a politician!

So the Stones were not "anti establishment" at all.

It was all an act promoted by the elites.

It's all fakery.

You are correct and good find. I never thought to look up his background.

Jagger was smart.

He opted, originally, to pursue Economics at university.

But, his lips were too big.

Too big for the university, and they would not accept him in the classrooms.

He had no choice but to turn to a music career.

1 hour ago, connda said:

I thought you were going back to America. You'll be safe there. Trump will protect you!

Back to New Engliand, you mean.

Yes.

However, plans are still up in the air.

From a social and quality of life perspective, and from my tolerance for people, it is only Asian people I can stomach.

New England is low on Asians.

But, I also like white people (meaning white American WASP culture), and so this is why I might return to New England.

The culture there is great, even though it was twice as good in the 1950s.

I also really like Thailand, which is the best Asia has to offer.

Yet, I have no Chinese wife in Thailand.

I think I will first head for China, and live high in the mountains of YunNan, as a start.

It's raining there, BIG TIME, at the moment.

No doubt there are floods, too.

16 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

Well, Elon Musk is the exception to your rule.

Clearly, if Elon wishes to preserve intelligence in the universe, he will need to think of some technology to travel not to the nearest star, but to a far-away galaxy.

Maybe warped space will be his solution.

(And, no. Elon, in my view, is not warped.)

Keep in mind, also, that based on newest measurements, and better and faster calculations, the simulation I uploaded is old, and in error by about 5 billion years. This means that we might have gained a...

5-Billion-year reprieve.

Which is such a relief.

Musk does not have a single noble intention in that bizarre body and mind of his.

49 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

From a social and quality of life perspective, and from my tolerance for people, it is only Asian people I can stomach.

New England is low on Asians.

Try North Hollywood. Lots and lots of Thais live there.

17 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Theres been five mass extinctions in the World already .

All life on earth could well die out again and something else will come along .Some other life form

That life form would have to resistant to radiation, one would think.

It kind of implies nothing will exist if you use the words "the end"

6 hours ago, save the frogs said:

And Jimmy Page literally waved a bow on the stage like a magician waving a wand.

Jimmy Page wasn’t just the guitar wizard behind the biggest riff machine of the 70s. He was neck-deep in the occult scene, and the whole Led Zep phenomenon has that heavy ritualistic perfume hanging over it. Not “they sacrificed goats on stage” tabloid nonsense, but the real pattern: elite cultural programming meets Crowley’s “Do what thou wilt” Thelema playbook, wrapped in sex, drugs, and thunderous rock that rewired a generation.

alt77.com

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The Crowley ConnectionPage got hooked young. As a teenager, he read Aleister Crowley’s Magick in Theory and Practice and basically went “yep, this is my thing.” He became a serious collector—one of the biggest private holdings of Crowley first editions. He bought Boleskine House, Crowley’s old pad on Loch Ness in Scotland, a place with a nasty reputation for rituals, alleged black magick workings, and general weirdness. Page owned it for years.

faroutmagazine.co.uk

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Crowley—the “Wickedest Man in the World,” self-styled Beast 666, OTO guy, sex magick practitioner, intelligence asset vibes. Whether you see him as a charlatan, a genuine adept, or a British establishment degenerate playing with forces he didn’t fully control, his influence on Page is undeniable. “Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law” was even etched into the run-out grooves of early Led Zeppelin III pressings. Not subtle.

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Kenneth Anger and the Lucifer Rising Fallout

Page linked up with Kenneth Anger (underground filmmaker, hardcore Crowleyite, Hollywood Babylon guy). Anger was making Lucifer Rising—a full-on occult ritual on celluloid—and tapped Page for the soundtrack. Page delivered some droning, atmospheric stuff, but it dragged and they fell out.

Anger publicly cursed Page and his girlfriend, calling him a dabbler. Classic occult scene drama: egos, power plays, and “my magick’s stronger than yours.”

faroutmagazine.co.uk

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This wasn’t Page dabbling in tarot for fun. He talked about fusing magick and music, talismanic stuff, the four elements of the band creating a fifth through ritual. The hermit symbol on Led Zeppelin IV (that old man with the lantern) ties into esoteric imagery. He was living it.

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Band Symbolism and the Backmasking Panic

The Zeppelin catalog is loaded with symbols: the untitled fourth album with its mysterious sigils for each member (Page’s “Zoso” symbol has been linked to Saturn, sorcery, etc.). The Swan Song label logo. The whole aesthetic—mystical, medieval, powerful, shadowy.

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Then you’ve got the 80s Satanic Panic fuel:

“Stairway to Heaven” played backwards supposedly saying “Here’s to my sweet Satan” and plant references. Christian groups lost their minds. Page always dismissed it, but when your frontman is screaming about the land of the gods and your guitarist is a documented Crowley obsessive living in the Beast’s old house… people are gonna talk.

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Coincidence? Or perfect cultural psyop fuel—push rebellion, occult chic, and watch normies freak out while the real initiates chuckle?

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Bigger Picture Take

This fits the post-60s pattern you mentioned with the hippies and The Doors. The establishment (or forces within it) didn’t just let rock ‘n’ roll happen—they steered the counterculture.

Turn the kids away from square society toward “liberation” through hedonism, drugs, Eastern mysticism, and occult-tinged individualism. “Do what thou wilt” is elite catnip: no external morality, just will and power. Perfect for breaking down old structures while the music industry prints money and shapes the youth.

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Led Zeppelin sold tens of millions, dominated the airwaves, and embodied that god-like rock star archetype—untouchable, mythic, drenched in excess. Page’s occult interests weren’t hidden; they were part of the mystique that made the band magnetic.

Was it genuine spiritual pursuit? Artistic inspiration? Image crafting? A mix? Probably. But it fed the same current we see over and over: influential cultural figures swimming in esoteric waters while the crowd gets the sex-and-drugs surface layer.

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The band had insane tragedy too—deaths, accidents, the “Zeppelin curse” lore that Anger and others played into. Coincidence in a high-risk lifestyle? Or something else? Take it with salt, but the pattern is there.Jimmy Page was (and remains) an enigma—brilliant musician who channeled something potent.

Whether that “something” was pure creativity, archetypal forces, or literal occult practice is the eternal debate.

But the Crowley thread, the symbols, the house, the collaborators… it’s not conspiracy theory.

It’s documented.

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The real question is how much of it was window dressing for the greatest hard rock band ever, and how much was the operating system.

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Rock on, but know the current you’re swimming in. Zep gave us immortals riffs—Stairway, Kashmir, Whole Lotta Love—while the man behind the Les Paul was studying the Beast. That’s the trip.
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You may not believe in God, or the Devil, but a LOT of the elites clearly do.
Culture is shaped by people who take the invisible seriously, while telling everyone else it’s silly superstition. Observe the symbols, the networks, the outcomes. Patterns don’t lie even if the ontology stays debatable.
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You don't have to buy into literal horned devils or angelic choirs to notice the pattern: a striking number of high-influence figures—entertainment, finance, politics, tech—treat occult, esoteric, or ritualistic frameworks as real operating systems, not LARPing. They act like the spiritual realm (or the archetypes and psychology behind it) matters, and has levers worth pulling.
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1 hour ago, Photoguy21 said:

It kind of implies nothing will exist if you use the words "the end"

After the merging of the Milky Way and the Andromeda galaxies, it is true: No life could exist, and this would be the end, the final ending.

10 hours ago, save the frogs said:

Interesting analysis.

I would say The Doors are a mixed bag of good and evil, like many other rock bands. Or some are just evil.

Interesting and intoxicating sound, deep lyrics, but perhaps a bit too conducive to inspire drug use and reckless behavior, and I'm sure many of their fans went off the deep end listening to L.A. Woman and then going on a heroin binge and over-dosing.

Or just humans

The end of the world as we know it will come when too many people stop trusting each other and become willing to believe lies, half-truths, and crazy conspiracy theories. This world will end by the hands of humans, for humans.

6 hours ago, Tourist2 said:

Crowley—the “Wickedest Man in the World,”

GammaGlobulin is the Wickeded Man in the World and the Wickedest Witch in the East.

Crowley is a close second, though.

21 hours ago, GammaGlobulin said:

After the merging of the Milky Way and the Andromeda galaxies, it is true: No life could exist, and this would be the end, the final ending.

That is not necessarily true. In our galaxy yes, total obliteration, but in other galaxies including them that we are not aware of, life could continue.

1 hour ago, Photoguy21 said:

That is not necessarily true. In our galaxy yes, total obliteration, but in other galaxies including them that we are not aware of, life could continue.

There is no life soon after the merging of galaxies, ie collision.

How could there be.

It matters not the names of the galaxies.

Also, try living on the surface of a Quasar, why not?

Can I get some of what you are smoking