3 hours ago, Hummin said:

Please provide the source where it says chicken carcass long cooked is safe and healthy for dogs!

Please use your common sense, if you have any.

If you don't, here's a YouTube video that demonstrates the concept.

8 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Please use your common sense, if you have any.

If you don't, here's a YouTube video that demonstrates the concept.

Discussing this with you is challenging, especially when your factual evidence is a YouTube video from Top Dog Professional Training, while veterinary sources say the opposite. The video demonstrates that prolonged cooking can make a bone soft. It does not demonstrate that feeding slow cooked chicken carcasses is safe.

There is also the nutritional question. Bones are concentrated sources of calcium and phosphorus. How much long cooked chicken bone should a 15 kg dog eat every day, and how do you calculate that against the calcium and phosphorus already in the rest of its diet? Too much calcium is not automatically harmless. Veterinary nutrition guidance specifically warns that excessive calcium can cause mineral imbalances, gastrointestinal problems and, especially in growing large dogs, abnormal skeletal development.

You better come up with some better sources and more specific details. And while you are at it, explain the nutritional side. How much of your slow cooked chicken bone should a 15 kg dog eat per day, how much calcium and phosphorus does that provide, and how do you keep the total diet within the correct calcium to phosphorus balance?

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How long do you have to cook chicken bones before they are "meltingly soft"?

Once they dry out, they are very brittle and prone to splintering.

18 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How long do you have to cook chicken bones before they are "meltingly soft"?

Once they dry out, they are very brittle and prone to splintering.

Twelve hours(overnight) with some hot water, in a slow cooker. Obviously, if you've been reading, best to use the whole carcass, unless you are looking to produce solely bone meal. If you haven't ever done it, then you should not be making premature statements with regard to the results.

The resulting mixture can crushed betwixt the fingers and stored in the fridge/freezer. Mixed with brown rice or as is when ready to serve. Lots of aspic and fats. Good stuff.

I've had dogs all my life, and our family has fed dogs all types of bones, although not all the time.

AI says this, which mirrors other links............No, long cooking does not make chicken bones safe for dogs because they can still splinter or cause dangerous blockages.

Why Cooked Bones Remain Dangerous

• Brittleness: Normal boiling or baking changes the structure of the bone, making it dry, hard, and prone to sharp splinters. [1]

• Digestive Risks: Sharp fragments can pierce the mouth, throat, stomach, or intestines, leading to internal bleeding or severe infections.

• Blockages: Even when pressure-cooked until soft and crumbly, large clumps or undigested pieces can cause dangerous intestinal blockages.

Safe Alternatives

• Bone Broth: You can safely boil plain chicken bones for hours to make a nutrient-rich broth, but you must strain out and throw away all of the solid bone pieces.

• Commercial Chews: Use vet-approved dental chews or rubber toys like Kongs instead of real bones. .

• Raw seen safer but still carry a bacterial risk

• I have heard of dogs choking on them from friends, where they had you reach down into the dog's throat and remove it. https://heartandpaw.com/pet-parent-resources/dog-ate-chicken-bones

There are a few different thoughts on the subject from various reputable sources, some saying no cooking whatsoever.......https://www.nurturingbynature.co.uk/article/can-i-feed-chicken-carcasses

One link from PetMD.... https://www.petmd.com/dog/nutrition/what-to-do-if-your-dog-ate-a-chicken-bone

There has always been reports of how harmful they might be.https://www.veg.com/post/can-dogs-eat-chicken-bones

Another link.......https://www.gsvs.org/eatontown-nj/blog/dog-chicken-bones-emergency-care/

Edited August 25Aug 25 by fredwiggy

22 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

Twelve hours(overnight) with some hot water, in a slow cooker. Obviously, if you've been reading, best to use the whole carcass, unless you are looking to produce solely bone meal. If you haven't ever done it, then you should not be making premature statements with regard to the results.

The resulting mixture can crushed betwixt the fingers and stored in the fridge/freezer. Mixed with brown rice or as is when ready to serve. Lots of aspic and fats. Good stuff.

What statements have I made that were premature?

I give my dogs (the ones that adopted my home) Oatmeal, Pasta, Rice, Chicken, Fish, Eggs, Whole Grain Breads, and Popcorn. the same things I eat that are extras after my daughter and I eat meals.

16 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

What statements have I made that were premature?

Once they dry out, they are very brittle and prone to splintering

20 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

I've had dogs all my life, and our family has fed dogs all types of bones, although not all the time.

AI says this, which mirrors other links............No, long cooking does not make chicken bones safe for dogs because they can still splinter or cause dangerous blockages.

Why Cooked Bones Remain Dangerous

• Brittleness: Normal boiling or baking changes the structure of the bone, making it dry, hard, and prone to sharp splinters. [1]

• Digestive Risks: Sharp fragments can pierce the mouth, throat, stomach, or intestines, leading to internal bleeding or severe infections.

• Blockages: Even when pressure-cooked until soft and crumbly, large clumps or undigested pieces can cause dangerous intestinal blockages.

Safe Alternatives

• Bone Broth: You can safely boil plain chicken bones for hours to make a nutrient-rich broth, but you must strain out and throw away all of the solid bone pieces.

• Commercial Chews: Use vet-approved dental chews or rubber toys like Kongs instead of real bones. .

• Raw seen safer but still carry a bacterial risk

• I have heard of dogs choking on them from friends, where they had you reach down into the dog's throat and remove it. https://heartandpaw.com/pet-parent-resources/dog-ate-chicken-bones

There are a few different thoughts on the subject from various reputable sources, some saying no cooking whatsoever.......https://www.nurturingbynature.co.uk/article/can-i-feed-chicken-carcasses

One link from PetMD.... https://www.petmd.com/dog/nutrition/what-to-do-if-your-dog-ate-a-chicken-bone

There has always been reports of how harmful they might be.https://www.veg.com/post/can-dogs-eat-chicken-bones

Another link.......https://www.gsvs.org/eatontown-nj/blog/dog-chicken-bones-emergency-care/

That's what you get when you live your life vicariously through others, Google and AI...

Large clumps or undigested pieces can cause a dangerous intestinal blockage is the only part that refers to what I have been discussing. But not relevant. If you actually bothered to read what came before, you would note that the mixture was crushed before serving...

Hence being able to feed both puppies and large dogs. In fact even the cats eat it 😊

19 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

35 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

What statements have I made that were premature?

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Once they dry out, they are very brittle and prone to splintering

Once they dry out, they do become brittle and are prone to splintering.

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

How long do you have to cook chicken bones before they are "meltingly soft"?

Once they dry out, they are very brittle and prone to splintering.

It's never a good idea giving cooked chicken bones to dogs, raw digesting easier IF you're going to feed them chicken bones at all. Looking at the links I provided will give you an idea what the experts recommend, which is what I'll always go by, as they do the studies and use long held beliefs regarding what to feed animals in your care.

I've talked to many, many vets and read quite a few books on dogs, both as pets and hunting dogs, and tried to stay away from giving the dogs bones at all, although I have a few times raw.

I have fed dogs for over 60 years and all those that lived with me lived very long lives, 2 over 20 years and the rest at least 15. Rarely have any gotten sick. The Cats also. I've always fed them human food which , if you look at what's in pet foods, comprises much of it anyway, in varied percentages. Animal byproducts are used that aren't generally eaten by humans but are safe.

Grains, corn, wheat, oats, barley, are very safe for dogs, with allergies rare in dogs from them. I give my dogs the extra popcorn we eat and they love it. it's cooked in a little oil and good for digestion in dogs.

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

It's never a good idea giving cooked chicken bones to dogs, raw digesting easier IF you're going to feed them chicken bones at all. Looking at the links I provided will give you an idea what the experts recommend, which is what I'll always go by, as they do the studies and use long held beliefs regarding what to feed animals in your care.

I've talked to many, many vets and read quite a few books on dogs, both as pets and hunting dogs, and tried to stay away from giving the dogs bones at all, although I have a few times raw.

I have fed dogs for over 60 years and all those that lived with me lived very long lives, 2 over 20 years and the rest at least 15. Rarely have any gotten sicbk. The Cats also. I've always fed them human food which , if you look at what's in pet foods, comprises much of it anyway, in varied percentages. Animal byproducts are used that aren't generally eaten by humans but are safe.

Grains, corn, wheat, oats, barley, are very safe for dogs, with allergies rare in dogs from them. I give my dogs the extra popcorn we eat and they love it. it's cooked in a little oil and good for digestion in dogs.

My last dog died a while back, but I gave her all kinds of cooked bones without a second thought, as I did all my dogs.

My only point was that boiled bones get brittle after they dry.

12 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Once they dry out, they do become brittle and are prone to splintering.

I don't know anything about that. Nothing in my process correlates with bones drying out. Seems a random unrelated statement. Were you just thinking out loud to yourself?

6 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

My last dog died a while back, but I gave her all kinds of cooked bones without a second thought, as I did all my dogs.

My only point was that boiled bones get brittle after they dry.

The bones(crushed) are stored within the liquid, aspic, fats etc.

5 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

My last dog died a while back, but I gave her all kinds of cooked bones without a second thought, as I did all my dogs.

My only point was that boiled bones get brittle after they dry.

Yes, I'm sure many have fed their dogs all kinds of things and gotten away with it, like Chocolate, Onions, Garlic and Chicken and Fish bones, but like humans, some can digest things that others will pay for, so it's always best to stay away from the ones that have given them problems. I give the dogs here cooked chicken , as I don't use chicken with bones here and only breast meat for house meals.

Any chicken bones can cause blockages, so it's best to totally avoid them. Yes, cooked chicken bones can still splinter besides those possible blockages. Powdered cooked chicken bones can be safe, but digestion can still be hampered. It's always a best idea to go by what the pros say and not others opinions who got away with giving dogs bones with no negative results. The next time can be fatal.

Edited August 25Aug 25 by fredwiggy

2 minutes ago, IsmeUno said:

The bones(crushed) are stored within the liquid, aspic, fats etc.

I did not comment on the cr*p you feed your dog.

My comment was that boiled chicken bones get brittle and are prone to splinter when they are allowed to dry. That you do no allow them to dry, does not change that simple fact.

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On 8/25/2026 at 2:27 AM, Yellowtail said:

I did not comment on the cr*p you feed your dog.

My comment was that boiled chicken bones get brittle and are prone to splinter when they are allowed to dry. That you do no allow them to dry, does not change that simple fact.

True genius I'm sure. May I suggest that you utilise them before they dry out?

Just bought catfish at 75 b/kg,the dogs love it .mixed with sticky rice.

I own a Petfood business and a long time product developer so I can’t mention my brand here. Those who feed leftovers run the risk of malnutrition over long periods due to lack of adequate vitamins and minerals. Those who feed cheap brands run the risk of disease due to poor nutrition from byproducts and allergic reactions mostly coming from cereal based formulas. So if you want quality life for your pets quality Petfood is the way. Look at the ingredients listing. If the top two or three are likes of wheat, corn, gluten etc it’s not ideal. It’s got to be meat based ingredients with high protein content. Anything less than 26% protein is high in carbs which is not ideal.

Edited September 1Sep 1 by AustinRacing

5 minutes ago, AustinRacing said:

I own a Petfood business and a long time product developer so I can’t mention my brand here. Those who feed leftovers run the risk of malnutrition over long periods due to lack of adequate vitamins and minerals. Those who feed cheap brands run the risk of disease due to poor nutrition from byproducts and allergic reactions mostly coming from cereal based formulas. So if you want quality life for your pets quality Petfood is the way. Look at the ingredients listing. If the top two or three are likes of wheat, corn, gluten etc it’s not ideal. It’s got to be meat based ingredients with high protein content. Anything less than 26% protein is high in carbs which is not ideal.

Agreed. Good pet food has been developed just for them, and human food is okay but won't have everything a dog needs unless it's a very varied diet, mirroring what those pet foods have as ingredients. Carbs from those grains will give them energy, but they need the protein to maintain muscle.

I just go to Makro and buy stuff to make my own food for the dog. Pumpkin, carrots and peas, some kind of meat scraps. I tried chicken, but he’s allergic to that, so anything else plus a mix of kidney, heart and liver in a small pack and eggs. Maybe missing something else, but anyway I just boil it all together, let it cool down and put several containers in the freezer so I don’t have to make it every week. I had to cut the rice because he’s getting a bit plump 🤣. I give her m a 1/2 cup of kibbles and top it with a cup o the homemade stirring. I only feed him once a day. And yes if he sees anything while I’m walking him he will grab it up quicker than I can stop him. He’s a beagle Jack mix. If anyone has suggestions to help him lose a bit of weight I’d appreciate it. He does go out on a walk every couple of hours and is pretty active. Maybe he’s just got bored g bones 😬

I feed them like athletes - they eat better than me!

They get a snack (meat stick) when I wake at 4am (as my little thank-you to them, for putting up with my early rising)

At 10am they get a brunch of kibble, with a raw egg and Pedigree Chum,

At 3pm they have another meat-stick snack,

And at 5pm they have a dinner of either chicken carcass or ribs/pork.

(Breeds are a Ridgeback-Collie cross and a Mastiff Shar-Pei cross).

On 8/28/2026 at 9:21 AM, IsmeUno said:

True genius I'm sure. May I suggest that you utilise them before they dry out?

Better to grind the bones and use them as a supplement. Too much can mean excess calcium, disturbed calcium and phosphorus balance, constipation, reduced absorption of other minerals, and especially in puppies, abnormal bone development.

A lot of people just feed dogs whatever they feel like instead of taking the time to learn what each individual dog actually needs to stay healthy. Homemade diets can easily become unbalanced if you do not know what you are doing

1 hour ago, jcmj said:

I just go to Makro and buy stuff to make my own food for the dog. Pumpkin, carrots and peas, some kind of meat scraps. I tried chicken, but he’s allergic to that, so anything else plus a mix of kidney, heart and liver in a small pack and eggs. Maybe missing something else, but anyway I just boil it all together, let it cool down and put several containers in the freezer so I don’t have to make it every week. I had to cut the rice because he’s getting a bit plump 🤣. I give her m a 1/2 cup of kibbles and top it with a cup o the homemade stirring. I only feed him once a day. And yes if he sees anything while I’m walking him he will grab it up quicker than I can stop him. He’s a beagle Jack mix. If anyone has suggestions to help him lose a bit of weight I’d appreciate it. He does go out on a walk every couple of hours and is pretty active. Maybe he’s just got bored g bones 😬

Read AustinRacings reply. if you can afford it, it's always better to use good quality dog food instead of trying your own. Granted dogs are like people in that some can eat anything and live 20 years, but by and large it's still best to go by what's healthiest.

My dogs have adopted me, and eat at other places around my house, so I just give them the extras my daughter or I don't eat, which is healthy food.

You might be giving you dog too many starches, so that with little exercise, and being a small dog, can have him gain extra weight.

Edited September 1Sep 1 by fredwiggy

2 hours ago, AustinRacing said:

I own a Petfood business and a long time product developer so I can’t mention my brand here. Those who feed leftovers run the risk of malnutrition over long periods due to lack of adequate vitamins and minerals. Those who feed cheap brands run the risk of disease due to poor nutrition from byproducts and allergic reactions mostly coming from cereal based formulas. So if you want quality life for your pets quality Petfood is the way. Look at the ingredients listing. If the top two or three are likes of wheat, corn, gluten etc it’s not ideal. It’s got to be meat based ingredients with high protein content. Anything less than 26% protein is high in carbs which is not ideal.

Can you list what you consider the top dog food brands available in Thailand, without mentioning your own brand?

2 hours ago, jcmj said:

I just go to Makro and buy stuff to make my own food for the dog. Pumpkin, carrots and peas, some kind of meat scraps. I tried chicken, but he’s allergic to that, so anything else plus a mix of kidney, heart and liver in a small pack and eggs. Maybe missing something else, but anyway I just boil it all together, let it cool down and put several containers in the freezer so I don’t have to make it every week. I had to cut the rice because he’s getting a bit plump 🤣. I give her m a 1/2 cup of kibbles and top it with a cup o the homemade stirring. I only feed him once a day. And yes if he sees anything while I’m walking him he will grab it up quicker than I can stop him. He’s a beagle Jack mix. If anyone has suggestions to help him lose a bit of weight I’d appreciate it. He does go out on a walk every couple of hours and is pretty active. Maybe he’s just got bored g bones 😬

We just adjust my dog’s calorie intake when necessary, but the main problem is my mother in law feeding him while she eats. He is the Falang dog, allowed inside, gets his aircon nap during the day, and generally gets special attention and treatment.

The other adopted dogs run around all night, are well fed and well built, but have a much higher activity level and a different body composition than my American Bully.

Dogs are happier and healthier when they are kept around their ideal weight.

So many experts here! lol

I feed my dogs a good quality dry food - Royal Canin medium dog dry. Not that breed targeted dry food - eg French Bulldog Dry etc. Niche marketing foods are for people with healthy wallets.

A good (premium) quality dry food provides all of the nutrients required for your dog, plus aids in dental hygie==[[ne - and has the added benefit of producing less waste - not so many landmines to clear up/avoid.

I also feed my dogs scraps/leftovers/bones - both cooked and raw.

The idea of the danger of splintering cooked bones being dangerous to dogs is greatly exaggerated.

Yes - bones can cause issues - but more commonly they can get caught in the dogs mouth - lodging over the molars.

In all my years of veterinary practice, I only saw one case of intestinal obstruction/perforation , from a cooked lamb chop bone. What was far more common, was constipation/obstipation in older male dogs with prostate hypertrophy. This occurs when these old boys eat bones - resulting in spiky bony turds, that they hold on to too long, until the faecal mass is too big to pass. So - I suggest not to feed old male dogs with bones.

What is most important IMO is to ensure that your dog actually chews the bones into manageable pieces, rather than gulping everything down whole. I feed my dogs separately to reduce competition and gluttony!