36 minutes ago, harvardgrad said:

But the topic is about the best way to moderate thoughts.

The only way to moderate anything is to make yourself as intelligent and knowledgeable as possible, so when information comes in, you know how to deal with it.

No one is going to moderate anything for you just the way you like and the way you need it to optimize your own personal existence. It will never happen.

You will continually be bombarded with thoughts that are no good for you and detrimental to your well-being.

Even a lot of music people listen to is toxic. And Britney Spears tried to warn you, but nobody listened. And they won't stop making toxic music any time soon either.

And Bernie Sanders won't stop fear-mongering about how AI will murder your whole family any time soon either.

You need to moderate yourself by filtering what information you take in and how you process it.

Good luck.

Edited yesterday at 02:17 AM1 day by save the frogs

11 minutes ago, Jonathan Swift said:

You're not going to have any sort of useful discussion of this topic if you don't clarify exactly how you define free speech. How should "the internet" be handled? What, you mean like some set of rules for the entire internet all at once? Ridiculous. The internet is not one thing. Where do you mean? Who do you mean? Which forums? facebook? X? Reddit? Which media? There are tens of thousands thousands of individual forums and publications. Do you propose to regulate all of them? Demand your "right" to your free speech? Each one has its own guidelines. It doesn't matter what anyone in some forum thinks. It's up to whoever actually owns and operates a given forum or media outlet such as ASEANNOW, who as you all know has a very strict set of guidelines as to what is allowed and what is not. They are very clear about it and anyone who signs on here agrees by signing to abide by the rules.

Before musk, Twitter was far left. After him it became right. Due to his vision it has now reached a more moderate tolerable level of discourse. And not nearly as censored as the rest. He did it the right way

12 minutes ago, Mr Hands said:

Another one obsessed with divisive politics...

Obsessed, no but in tune with the real world where you either see the crazy or you don't. Means your senses havent reached that point yet. But they will in tge next couple years. Then there will not be a right or wrong opinion anymore, justvthe reality which is that most people are too dumb to know what is or whats not in their best interest

12 minutes ago, save the frogs said:

The only way to moderate anything is to make yourself as intelligent and knowledgeable as possible, so when information comes in, you know how to deal with it.

No one is going to moderate anything for you just the way you like and the way you need it to optimize your own personal existence. It will never happen.

You will continually be bombarded with thoughts that are no good for you and detrimental to your well-being.

Even a lot of music people listen to is toxic. And Britney Spears tried to warn you, but nobody listened. And they won't stop making toxic music any time soon either.

And Bernie Sanders won't stop fear-mongering about how AI will murder your whole family any time soon either.

You need to moderate yourself by filtering what information you take in and how you process it.

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Good luck.

I can deal with opinions I disagree with, dont know why others c ant. Everyone hoping to be in an echo chamber and then when it happens everyone leaves and the site dies. Thats why free speech is needed. Both sides need to be heard

Just now, harvardgrad said:

Obsessed, no but in tune with the real world where you either see the crazy or you don't. Means your senses havent reached that point yet. But they will in tge next couple years. Then there will not be a right or wrong opinion anymore, justvthe reality which is that most people are too dumb to know what is or whats not in their best interest

You mean that I'm not crazy yet? The real world? You think it's normal that people come on here ranting, calling people libtards or worse, without even knowing them or their politics.

If there was a least one who might speak calmly and coherently, that might make all of the difference.

The real world is full of cheats and scammers. The real world is the strong and violent take what they want and do whatever they want.

Right and Left is just BS.

3 minutes ago, Mr Hands said:

You mean that I'm not crazy yet? The real world? You think it's normal that people come on here ranting, calling people libtards or worse, without even knowing them or their politics.

If there was a least one who might speak calmly and coherently, that might make all of the difference.

The real world is full of cheats and scammers. The real world is the strong and violent take what they want and do whatever they want.

Right and Left is just BS.

What's more evil to you, free market capitalism or communism? Simple question and your answer says it all

1 hour ago, SiSePuede419 said:

ChatGPT: The First Amendment restricts government, not private businesses. A public square is generally a government-controlled forum where the government cannot suppress protected speech based on viewpoint. A private company’s servers and workplace are its property; it can set rules governing what users may say or do there.

So, the answer is no, there's no such thing as "freedom of speech" except in very limited circumstances when addressing the government.

Even then, the government may give you a beat down if they don't approve of the tone and timbre of your speech 👈

There are plenty opportunities for free speech in life. Forums are not the only outlet and are not really public venues for the most part.

The issue really comes down to what is considered "free speech". That seems to be the stumbling block as many have their own view of what free speech means. Slander and defamation are not part of free speech although opinions with exception are. Certain countries do not guarantee free speech nor do private outlets like this site.

Just now, Mr Hands said:

You mean that I'm not crazy yet? The real world? You think it's normal that people come on here ranting, calling people libtards or worse, without even knowing them or their politics.

If there was a least one who might speak calmly and coherently, that might make all of the difference.

The real world is full of cheats and scammers. The real world is the strong and violent take what they want and do whatever they want.

Right and Left is just BS.

I don't think it's normal for banned trolls to keep coming back under new usernames.

As for the real world,

The weak and greedy hire the strong and violent to give the weak and greedy what they want.

1 minute ago, harvardgrad said:

What's more evil to you, free market capitalism or communism? Simple question and your answer says it all

Political claptrap.

Just now, harvardgrad said:

What's more evil to you, free market capitalism or communism? Simple question and your answer says it all

I think they've both failed.

The greedy always float to the top of any system of governance.

Smaller countries, with different governance systems, and hard borders, make it harder for a small number of greedy people to rule the entire world.

Edited yesterday at 02:39 AM1 day by BritManToo

2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I don't think it's normal for banned trolls to keep coming back under new usernames.

As for the real world,

The weak and greedy hire the strong and violent to give the weak and greedy what they want.

I don't think it's normal to abandon your family and run away to Thailand to buy a new one. Do you know anyone who has done that? Despicable, eh? Each to their own.

What were you saying about people not being concerned about the opinions of others?

1 hour ago, Mr Hands said:

So that makes you what? A conformist? Bravo! You are toeing the line. Living like a mouse. Congratulations.

Have you read his posts over the years? He is far from a conformist and you are being petty. Do agree with many of your posts on this thread but try to not lose it when others disagree. You don't have to conform. Good luck

3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I think they've both failed.

The greedy always float to the top of any system of governance.

Im not rich and I dont have a problem with someone if they wany to be. Im still better off than most of them in many other ways that they would trade me for what I have

1 minute ago, Mr Hands said:

I don't think it's normal to abandon your family and run away to Thailand to buy a new one. Do you know anyone who has done that? Despicable, eh? Each to their own.

What were you saying about people not being concerned about the opinions of others?

Normal people live in their home countries all their lives.

Those that relocate in order to achieve their desired lifestyles, rather than suffer in silence, are not normal but exceptional.

2 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Have you read his posts over the years? He is far from a conformist and you are being petty. Do agree with many of your posts on this thread but try to not lose it when others disagree. You don't have to conform. Good luck

Yes, I've read his posts and know him better than you might imagine. Thank you for your thoughts.

Do you really think it's me being petty? Why would someone mention changing username four times in a single thread? Try being more balanced and less sychophantic.

Edited yesterday at 02:48 AM1 day by Mr Hands

Just now, BritManToo said:

Normal people live in their home countries all their lives.

Those that relocate in order to achieve their desired lifestyles, rather than suffer in silence, are not normal but exceptional.

Average, rather than normal, @BritManToo

So we are both not the average person. What's your point? Why is it that you feel the need to highlight that I do not accept certain restrictions put on me by others? Do you imagine that I am somehow offended by you highlighting that I refuse to be cowed?

You are just making yourself look petty, eager to score a point.

4 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Have you read his posts over the years? He is far from a conformist and you are being petty. Do agree with many of your posts on this thread but try to not lose it when others disagree. You don't have to conform. Good luck

It's interesting an hour ago he was calling me a "conformist" and then 56 minutes later calls me "not normal", it seems I cover all ranges of human behaviour!

3 minutes ago, Mr Hands said:

Yes, I've read his posts and know him better than you might imagine. Thank you for your thoughts.

I've read his posts over the years too. He can deal with criticism alot better than you and he's accept3d life for what it is. You still havent.

I am not nihilistic but maybe if my wife left me for no reason other than she could then maybe I would be. Thats being able to see others perspectives. Some people can do it, most cant. Never met a thai person that could. Requires critical thinking

1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

It's interesting an hour ago he was calling me a "conformist" and then 56 minutes later calls me "not normal", it seems I cover all ranges of human behaviour!

Exactly. We aren't just one thing, are we?

Let people say what they want to say. Even the fools that are unethical and alter what you state and then attack you using what you never stated.. That is my one of my biggest rubs and a couple of the most prolific posters have a habit of doing it. These fools usually are pack animals and that do their thing in political threads which I try to avoid. I wonder why because it is idiotic and rational minds grasp this but not their vocal herd of other fools. Oh well - interesting....

1 minute ago, harvardgrad said:

I've read his posts over the years too. He can deal with criticism alot better than you and he's accept3d life for what it is. You still havent.

I am not nihilistic but maybe if my wife left me for no reason other than she could then maybe I would be. Thats being able to see others perspectives. Some people can do it, most cant. Never met a thai person that could. Requires critical thinking

If he can deal with criticism better than me, then why has he resorted to writing about changing usernames four times in a single thread? That seems childish and petty to me. How does it seem to you?

Let's be honest here.

1 minute ago, Mr Hands said:

If he can deal with criticism better than me, then why has he resorted to writing about changing usernames four times in a single thread? That seems childish and petty to me. How does it seem to you?

Let's be honest here.

Try taking a break and this time come back having lurked and keeping thoughts to yourself. When you can better see others perspectives then start posting again and this time we won't know who you are because you've obviously matured past being a troll

Just now, harvardgrad said:

Try taking a break and this time come back having lurked and keeping thoughts to yourself. When you can better see others perspectives then start posting again and this time we won't know who you are because you've obviously matured past being a troll

What a load of rubbish 😂

Free speech, but keep your thoughts to yourself. 😊

9 minutes ago, Mr Hands said:

Yes, I've read his posts and know him better than you might imagine. Thank you for your thoughts.

Do you really think it's me being petty? Why would someone mention changing username four times in a single thread? Try being more balanced and less sychophantic.

I can only hope Freddy doesn't jump in this thread because we know how that will transpire. Like I said before - you were making good points until you lost it because you were insulted. I never have understood you. Obviously intelligent but have no capacity to have a discussion with others unless they agree with you. Oh well - we all have flaws and changing names seems to work for you and I'm cool with that.

Just now, atpeace said:

I can only hope Freddy doesn't jump in this thread because we know how that will transpire. Like I said before - you were making good points until you lost it because you were insulted. I never have understood you. Obviously intelligent but have no capacity to have a discussion with others unless they agree with you. Oh well - we all have flaws and changing names seems to work for you and I'm cool with that.

You don't need to understand me. You need to understand you.

1 hour ago, Mr Hands said:

So that makes you what? A conformist? Bravo! You are toeing the line. Living like a mouse. Congratulations.

Out of curiosity, are you a rebel without a cause? Naturally rebelling against any and all types of authority at every turn, often for no other reason than to simply rebel?

1 minute ago, Mr Hands said:

You don't need to understand me. You need to understand you.

That is a process. I do know I don't get extreme gratification trashing others and especially those that aren't proficient at expressing themselves or lack the intellect to make coherent posts. I get frustrated but get over it usually quick enough :)

3 minutes ago, atpeace said:

until you lost it because you were insulted.

You perceive what you perceive. That has nothing to do with me.

I don't remember claiming or suggesting that I was insulted. Though if i am, then it would be completely normal to fire back. What is so difficult for you to understand?

Did you look at your own rant about political discussions? That for me, read like an emotional rant, only for you to pretend to be calm at the end of it. Perceptions.

26 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Smaller countries, with different governance systems, and hard borders, make it harder for a small number of greedy people to rule the entire world.

Women also benefit from being invaded. Merkel was obviously the one makinh decisions, and this female leader of japan does not really. So they shouldn't get to vote. And they shouldn't get to decide when men are the ones who are holding the world together. Just my two cents

Just now, atpeace said:

That is a process. I do know I don't get extreme gratification trashing others and especially those that aren't proficient at expressing themselves or lack the intellect to make coherent posts. I get frustrated but get over it usually quick enough :)

This, again, is your own imagination. It is how you feel. I don't even know about what it is to which you are referring. Who lacks intellect? Spit it out instead of beating around the bush.