7 minutes ago, ColeBOzbourne said:

Out of curiosity, are you a rebel without a cause? Naturally rebelling against any and all types of authority at every turn, often for no other reason than to simply rebel?

No. I'm actually quite conservative 😊

1 minute ago, Mr Hands said:

You perceive what you perceive. That has nothing to do with me.

I don't remember claiming or suggesting that I was insulted. Though if i am, then it would be completely normal to fire back. What is so difficult for you to understand?

Did you look at your own rant about political discussions? That for me, read like an emotional rant, only for you to pretend to be calm at the end of it. Perceptions.

You see it as a rant and I see it as expressing a thought. You are constantly badgering and I find it interesting. You look for ways to tear people down as the above post. You lack perspective but for some reason think you are wise. Wise people don't behave like you. You never upset me because you are too predictable. No shock and just a shrug.

13 minutes ago, atpeace said:

I can only hope Freddy doesn't jump in this thread because we know how that will transpire. Like I said before - you were making good points until you lost it because you were insulted. I never have understood you. Obviously intelligent but have no capacity to have a discussion with others unless they agree with you. Oh well - we all have flaws and changing names seems to work for you and I'm cool with that.

I note that you made no attempt to actually tackle the question posed. Why is that?

Just now, atpeace said:

You see it as a rant and I see it as expressing a thought. You are constantly badgering and I find it interesting. You look for ways to tear people down as the above post. You lack perspective but for some reason think you are wise. Wise people don't behave like you. You never upset me because you are too predictable. No shock and just a shrug.

This again, is just your own physiological reaction and your own mind. Whatever you think, is you. It has nothing to do with me.

I am me and you are you. I remain unconcerned about what you think.

It's like asking a lion to stop inducing fear into humans. It's your problem, not mine. If you provoke the wrong animal and it savages you, whose problem is it?

You don't want to risk a savaging, then stay away.

40 minutes ago, atpeace said:

I can only hope Freddy doesn't jump in this thread because we know how that will transpire. Like I said before - you were making good points until you lost it because you were insulted. I never have understood you. Obviously intelligent but have no capacity to have a discussion with others unless they agree with you. Oh well - we all have flaws and changing names seems to work for you and I'm cool with that.

No, I just sit back and see that what I was pointing out all along has come to fruition, as others have also had their eyes opened to the truth.

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No, I just sit back and see that what I was pointing out all along has come to fruition, as others have also had their eyes opened to the truth.

Of course, in your mind, you are always right. You knew everything before everyone else, decades ago.

22 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No, I just sit back and see that what I was pointing out all along has come to fruition, as others have also had their eyes opened to the truth.

Freddy, with respect, you didn't expose anything. You did frustrate many arguing with him but there was zero exposing :) I responded to a few of his posts and now have moved on. What is the point? Just have to look at some of your past boring back in forth with him to realize it is brain numbing. Nice to see you are not engaging !!!

2 minutes ago, atpeace said:

Freddy, with respect, you didn't expose anything. You did frustrate many arguing with him but there was zero exposing :) I responded to a few of his posts and now have moved on. What is the point? Just have to look at some of your past boring back in forth with him to realize it is brain numbing. Nice to see you are not engaging !!!

I sure did, as some still haven't noticed all the changes made, and many have, seeing their comments mirroring mine. Some plans take awhile to work. The back and forth could have been ignored earlier, but when people make up lies and assume things about you that aren't true, you put them in their place and then move on.

3 hours ago, harvardgrad said:

In the US its called Google and microsoft

I thought it was Meta and Facebook?

6 hours ago, harvardgrad said:

How much freedom online is the right amount? Do you think its possible to regulate the internet? How is it possible? Has social media bans for teens worked anywhere yet?

All this and more, have at it..

As a very limited user of social media, from the "viral" social media comments that selectively pop-up in mainstream media, it appears to me that most all users and abusers of online social media are anonymous. Maybe some believe this gives them free rein to post whatever they like, within whatever their chosen platform's moderation allows? There are those that probably get a thrill from posting something objectionable just because they know most people will find it objectionable.

In real life, down the pub, at the car boot sale, football match, at the dogs or wherever you float your boat, you can see who is making objectionable public comments, being antagonistic or just being a plain arse, and choose to either intercede or ignore. But the key difference is they are in public, unmasked and identifiable.

Meanwhile, offline, down Dover and Portsmouth way...

4 hours ago, Mr Hands said:

I think that you are waaaaaaay too obsessed with Left and Right. Balanced people are, balanced.

Being obsessed with labelling people definitely isn't balanced.

On this forum, I see more members accusing fellow members of being 'leftist' than the other way round. Maybe someone who is a 'rightist' has a different perception and can comment?

3 hours ago, atpeace said:

That is a process. I do know I don't get extreme gratification trashing others and especially those that aren't proficient at expressing themselves or lack the intellect to make coherent posts. I get frustrated but get over it usually quick enough :)

Do you not see yourself as part of that herd? Of course you do not.

But in fact, from my perspective, you appear to be so.

That is where you are lacking. That you assume that what you think is what is actually occurring and then try to attack me with it. The very thing of which you accused others in your earlier rant with regard to politics.

7 hours ago, TedG said:

Oh Bull<deleted>.

Just his usual post,yawn.

2 hours ago, NanLaew said:

I thought it was Meta and Facebook?

Meta owns Facebook, MS and Google and different companies.

2 hours ago, temuFarang said:

Meta owns Facebook, MS and Google and different companies.

OK, my mistookery. Meta owns Facebook and Google is owned by Alphabet, so only MS is "itself".

8 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Each country has it's own rules on what can be said.

If you can't learn to control what you say, move to a country with rules you can live with.

I find China to be quite free for me.

I'd probably be OK in Russia as well.

Most of SEA would give me no problems.

Europe and the UK, I'd probably be caught for thought crimes.

Not sure about the USA, it changes there a bit too quickly.

have you ever lived in (free) China, maybe you definition of free is different from somebody else, I lived in China (Not your free China) for 15 years

22 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

have you ever lived in (free) China, maybe you definition of free is different from somebody else, I lived in China (Not your free China) for 15 years

You understand that many people here are fantasists with very narrow experience.

People should be able to say what they want, as long as they realize that no one is anonymous absent sophisticated cloaking.

11 hours ago, BritManToo said:

Google ads makes the rules on what can be posted on this forum.

A very good point. Anti Orange Man articles (aka MSM) on here will generate greater ad revenue because it sure seems that the majority of members on here are Orange Man Bad afflicted. Trigger them and it's post, post, post, Orange Man bad. This whole thing is insane. World oil prices are high because Orange Man bad countries have refused to help. Oils being held up by the number one state sponsor of terrorism which is a regime that massacres it's own citizens, wants nukes and total control of the Middle East. To me it seems like "we won't help you because you put tariffs on us". Insane. Terrorists are allowed to do what their doing because leftists governments/EU hates Trump, and people on here call Trump crazy.

Should Iran be able to have nukes. Yes or No?

Imagine what the price of oil will be if the Islamic fundamentalists control the strait.

Edited yesterday at 12:48 PM1 day by dinsdale

19 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Imagine what the price of oil will be if the Islamic fundamentalists control the strait.

Gasoline was $2 a gallon and then Don the Dink killed all the Islamic fundamentalists and now it's $7 a gallon, forever. I know, so weird, right? It's ok, I know he's MAGA so I'll just park my Bentley and take the bus to work for the rest of my life.

3 minutes ago, Alpha84 said:

Gasoline was $2 a gallon and then Don the Dink killed all the Islamic fundamentalists and now it's $7 a gallon, forever. I know, so weird, right? It's ok, I know he's MAGA so I'll just park my Bentley and take the bus to work for the rest of my life.

How much was it when Biden was in power? Apart from that you didn't answer the question. The Islamic regime with nukes or not with nukes? If you're going to say the regimes doesn't want nukes please do.

14 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

How much was it when Biden was in power? Apart from that you didn't answer the question. The Islamic regime with nukes or not with nukes? If you're going to say the regimes doesn't want nukes please do.

Biden? You mean this Biden?

And nukes, is that when Don tears up another restroom at McDonald's?

Edited yesterday at 01:34 PM1 day by Alpha84

24 minutes ago, Alpha84 said:

Biden? You mean this Biden?

And nukes, is that when Don tears up another restroom at McDonald's?

Great post. Means nothing but a great post.

6 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Great post. Means nothing but a great post.

Good thing my Bentley isn't a diesel or it would be 9 bucks a gallon. But they are predicting petrol will reach 11 bucks with another week anyway. MAGA WINNING 🥇

10 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Great post. Means nothing but a great post.

But never mind the petrol prices because I'll have my $5000 check soon. And then I can add that to the $2000 check I never got to pay for my health insurance that I can no longer afford. Loved that CPI print from yesterday too. More winning. So much winning I'm getting tired of winning. No new forever wars at least though. Thank goodness for that. Oh... wait...

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DdJSwwNyBX6/?l=1

Edited yesterday at 02:14 PM1 day by Alpha84

5 minutes ago, Alpha84 said:

Good thing my Bentley isn't a diesel or it would be 9 bucks a gallon. But they are predicting petrol will reach 11 bucks with another week anyway. MAGA WINNING 🥇

This is happening because the fundamentalist's proxies have been activated in a big way. The Houthi's have tried it before, and admittedly they now have better weapons thanks to their terrorist funding, but the result will be the same. Saudi Arabia has a very powerful air force and US forces are in the region but I guess the leftist western countries won't lift a finger. Whatever it takes to get the GOP out. Incredible.

If these leftist countries joined with Trump against a bunch of radical Islamic thugs this whole thing would be done and dusted. Obviously if you are a supporter of Islamic terrorists you will disagree with my post as you will disagree with my post if you are an Orange Man obsessed sufferere. Odd thing is if you are in the camp of the latter point how can you not be in the former. I hate Orange Man therefore fundamentalist Islamics slaughtering their own people and trying to hold the world hostage good.

It's interesting that in relation to what's going on I'm not sure I've seen that many negative articles on here about just how bad these religious and power hungry fanatics are. Nup! Trump bad. That's it and sadly that's all some people can see.

36 minutes ago, Alpha84 said:

But never mind the petrol prices because I'll have my $5000 check soon. And then I can add that to the $2000 check I never got to pay for my health insurance that I can no longer afford. Loved that CPI print from yesterday too. More winning. So much winning I'm getting tired of winning. No new forever wars at least though. Thank goodness for that. Oh... wait...

Your post is pure deflection. Not unusual from those on here that are afflicted.

27 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

This is happening because the fundamentalist's proxies have been activated in a big way. The Houthi's have tried it before, and admittedly they now have better weapons thanks to their terrorist funding, but the result will be the same. Saudi Arabia has a very powerful air force and US forces are in the region but I guess the leftist western countries won't lift a finger. Whatever it takes to get the GOP out. Incredible.

If these leftist countries joined with Trump against a bunch of radical Islamic thugs this whole thing would be done and dusted. Obviously if you are a supporter of Islamic terrorists you will disagree with my post as you will disagree with my post if you are an Orange Man obsessed sufferere. Odd thing is if you are in the camp of the latter point how can you not be in the former. I hate Orange Man therefore fundamentalist Islamics slaughtering their own people and trying to hold the world hostage good.

It's interesting that in relation to what's going on I'm not sure I've seen that many negative articles on here about just how bad these religious and power hungry fanatics are. Nup! Trump bad. That's it and sadly that's all some people can see.

Apparently we are doing this again.

Remember George W. Bush telling us Iraq had weapons of mass destruction and that we had no choice but to invade because the threat was supposedly so imminent?

Remember how that turned out?

Well, congratulations, America. We have unlocked Iraq WMD: The Iran Nuclear Edition.

Trump tells us Iran was only a couple of weeks away from having a nuclear weapon, and apparently we are supposed to hear that and immediately respond:

“Holy sheet. Better invade.”

Because nothing says “we learned an important lesson from Iraq” quite like repeating the same basic sales pitch with a different country and a slightly updated vocabulary.

Bush had WMDs.

Trump has “NUKES.”

Same movie. New cast.

And if you were one of the people who confidently swallowed the Iraq WMD story back then, despite the fact that it turned out to be catastrophically wrong, you now have another chance to demonstrate the remarkable human capacity to hear the same alarm bell twenty years later and say:

“THIS TIME IT’S DEFINITELY DIFFERENT.”

But honestly, you have to give the hardcore Trump supporters some credit.

After the lies.

After the corruption.

After the misinformation.

After the endless misdirection.

After the broken promises.

After watching one supposed “historic victory” after no evidence on nuclear weapons and after another turn into an explanation for why it wasn’t actually supposed to happen that way.

After the approval numbers sink to historic lows.

After reality repeatedly shows up and ruins the talking points.

They are STILL out there repeating the propaganda.

That is some extraordinary dedication.

Not to evidence.

Not to consistency.

Not to reality.

To the bit.

You have to respect that level of commitment to being wrong.

Most people eventually reach the point where they say, “You know what? Maybe I should reconsider.”

The committed Trump supporter looks at the smoking crater where their previous argument used to be, steps over the rubble, and says:

“Okay, but have you heard the NEW explanation?”

And then, when the new explanation falls apart, they simply move on to the next one.

At this point, Trump’s propaganda machine doesn’t even need to convince everyone.

It just needs to keep producing new claims faster than its supporters can process the old ones.

And apparently that’s enough.

Because twenty years after Iraq, some people are still standing at the theater entrance, holding their tickets, staring at the exact same movie poster and insisting:

“No, no, but, wait... This time the weapons are real!”

History isn’t even whispering anymore.

It’s practically screaming.

And somehow the response is:

“FAKE NEWS.”

You couldn’t write a better parody of political denial if you tried.

Meanwhile, I'm standing here at the petrol station and can only afford to pump 3 gallons of garse into my Bentley. Why so little do you ask? Because I've only got a $100 in my wallet. 😂

"Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community. Then they were quickly silenced, but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots." (Umberto Ecco, in 2015)

The above is an interesting take. I guess if you want free speech, you have to make do with the "invasion of the idiots").

Incidentally, the original post was not about Trump vs anti-Trump. How long can a discussion thread go on before degenerating into pro-Trump/anti-Trump tirades? Not long.

Edited 23 hours ago23 hr by JackGats
Afterthought

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Your post is pure deflection. Not unusual from those on here that are afflicted.

Hey, where is Khaosok Harris Susan Fan-Man? She still lurks around here and is one of your ilk with the same metastasized malignancy, isn't she?