On 9/22/2026 at 9:39 AM, JackGats said:

My fear is that such a thing would emboldened Putin to do the same with Ukraine.

And China with Taiwan?

1 hour ago, fredwiggy said:

It's best not to skim and read all things posted thoroughly so I don't have to repeat myself.

That explains why you don't answer questions directly, if at all!

I thought you were just scared of answering truthfully!

32 minutes ago, jts-khorat said:

This is nothing less than Nazi speak.

This is exactly how you two sound: "If the Jews did better integrate and were less rich, they would not have been gassed; they brought it unto themselves. Anyway, most of it kind of was not intentional."

I do not know, if you two do not realize your mindset, or simply do not care that you are evil.

You're as far off as anyone can be. I stated a fact, and you twisted it around thinking I was for what the Nazis did. That's the epitome of trolling. The school strike was not intentional, but the Iran regime killing all those children at the other school was. Seeing your comprehension skills suck, it might be better if you didn't respond on this forum. These type of replies has me question just how old some members here are. Wake up.

Edited September 23Sep 23 by fredwiggy

6 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

That explains why you don't answer questions directly, if at all!

I thought you were just scared of answering truthfully!

I always answer questions and did. Go back and read what I said, understanding I know who has nuclear weapons and that they aren't going to use them against America as they would bring hell on themselves, and that if Iran had them, they couldn't be trusted.

Just now, fredwiggy said:

You're as far off as anyone can be. I stated a fact, and you twisted it around thinking I was for what the Nazis did. That's the epitome of trolling. The school strike was not intentional, but the Iran regime killing all those children at the other school was. Wake up.

I would twist your argument if you would not have said, literally, that the Japanese (I guess those women and children in Hiroshima and Nagasaki) have brought it upon themselves to be burned to death without warning by an American bomb falling from the sky.

Maybe I would not be able to call you "evil", if you would agree, that destroying whole cities with everybody that lived in them would be an unforgivable war crime, instead of whataboutism, that there are other evil people in the world.

Was it acceptable for the Nazis to commit any sort of war crimes (like the V2 shot at London), because the Allies also perpetrated war crimes? The mind boggles, as exactly this is your argument.

2 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

Here's an easy list to find....NATO Allies (Europe and North America)

• The North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO) binds the U.S. and 31 other sovereign nations—including Canada, the United Kingdom, France, Germany, and Turkey—to a system of collective defense where an attack on one is considered an attack on all.

Indo-Pacific Allies

• Australia and New Zealand: Bound alongside the U.S. historically through regional security agreements like the ANZUS Treaty, with Australia serving as a primary defense technology and submarine cooperation partner.

• Japan and South Korea: Core bilateral treaty allies hosting major U.S. military presences to maintain regional stability.

• The Philippines: A long-standing Southeast Asian mutual defense treaty partner.

Middle East and Other Key Partners

• Israel: Considered one of America's closest and most reliable strategic partners in the Middle East.

• Major Non-NATO Allies (MNNA): A designation given to nations like Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, Qatar, Thailand, and Argentina that provides them with distinct military and financial advantages in working with U.S. defense forces.

• Re -read my previous answer about nukes. And re-read why Iran became a terrorist organization. It doesn't matter what Trump says but what happens. Too many here take things they read too seriously and don't understand we aren't hearing all of what's going on .

Correction: America HAD allies.

While it is being led by a demented sociopath who spits the dummy on a daily basis, trust in America is at a nadir.

Take Australia. We have made ourselves a nuclear target, with American bases at Pine Gap, North West Cape, and Darwin. What are we getting in return, apart from abuse and unjustifiable tariffs?

Or take Canada. There are tariffs back and forth. What Americans don't seem to realize is that Canadians are so deeply offended they are boycotting American goods on their supermarket shelves. That's not polticians, it's the citizenry.

Edited September 23Sep 23 by Lacessit

After election promises not to have a war in the Middle East to nuking innocent civilians, what really is the reason?

First, he has been unable/incapable of beating Iran conventionally.

If he doesn't nuke Iran, it will prove him a weak leader to the Iranian military, who all have nuclear bunkers I guess.

All those innocent students who protested and were hung died for nothing.

9 hours ago, WDSmart said:

I think then the World should force the USA to destroy all its nuclear weapons.

What you “think” and reality is two very different scenarios.

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

"America will never use a nuke on Iran as it would worsen ties with most everyone."

The US (or any other country in similar circumstances) would become a pariah country in a way even Iran has never been close to.

It may even elicit a nuclear response perhaps even from least expected quarters.

When you unleash the dogs of war, you have no idea where they'll run to, how fast or what they'll do in the end. See Ukraine/Iran. That's why you should never start wars for whatever reason you have.

As democracies we must always wait till we are actually attacked. Pre-emptive strikes are out - better make pre-emptive defence. But IF attacked, then go all out to crush the enemy beyond recovery, as fast and hard and brutally possible, to end the horror as fast as can be. That's the only humane way to wage war. Win it so decisively and fast that it's over in next to no time.

Russia and the US are both utterly clueless in this sense, but cherish murderous brutality while claiming to be the goodies. They are currently using the same excuses for their carnage. And they are both senselessly prolonging it.

America used to use the excuse that hard measures were needed to contain communism. Friends and allies grimaced but accepted the rationale. Now communism is gone the US just invents any old $h*7* to excuse the wanton destruction of countries they don't like.

Even their former friends and allies can now see the ugly truth and are turning away.

Americans really won't enjoy being treated by the world's democracies in a similar way to their treatment of places like China, Russia, Khasakstan, Pakistan, Saudi, Qatar and the other new friends you've clubbed together with on your idiotic ''Board of Peace''.

Show me who your friends are and it'll tell me who you are.

3 hours ago, Red Forever said:

Japan had already accepted defeat. Indeed, the naval fleet was sailing south to surrender to the Allied Forces in the South China Sea (Guam?) before the senseless destruction of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

Shades of Bomber Harris’ bombing of Dresden.

Japan had no intention of surrendering until the A-bomb was dropped.

There biggest and newest battleship, YAMATO was sunk on its maiden voyage on the way to battle with the superior American fleet off Okinawa.

American fighter/torpedo pilots sank her and all of the crew. They never had a chance.

A turkey shoot.

Anyone who supports nuking Iran is a supporter of genocide. Tens of millions of Iranians are totally innocent, so supporting the slaughter of them is genocide. Genocide is a crime against humanity, and the world should respond by eradicating anyone who was in support of the nuking. Find a MAGA, kill a MAGA. NONE would be innocent, so whatever they got would be well deserved.

Let Trump take THAT to the ICC.

So who is saying Trump is going to nuke Iran?

No need to.

16 hours ago, ukrules said:

My prediction : Nobody will care. Not one bit.

I suspect there are millions upon millions of people who actually will care.

12 hours ago, Wingate said:

One nuke isn't going to do much, so the draft dodging coward will have to do a lot more if he wants to distract from the allegations of pedophilia in the Epstein files or his mishandling of the economy.

Then there's the fallout, which isn't just that it gives Putin the green light to nuke Kyiv. Depending on the winds aloft, nuclear fallout will certainly hit Pakistan (a nation with its own nukes) and India (ditto). They would be perfectly justified in nuking Mar-a-Lago or getting a nuke by sea into that area.

Fallout might even drift all the way to Thailand, so MAGAs in Pattaya or rural Isaan might have to load up on iodine tablets. Of course no doubt all those MAGAs are "true patriots", and their own demise from cancer is but a small price to pay in support of their messiah.

I would guess one reaction would be Americans would be fair game anywhere and everywhere. "Find a Yank, kill a Yank" may well be a chant 8.2 billion non-Americans would wholeheartedly support.

“so the draft dodging coward”

I always get a laugh from a coward who never served calling someone else a draft dodging coward.

How far has the usa fallen to even have a potus talk this way at the UN?

Trump has no frigging clue that this is not some tv reality show where he gets to fire people and play tough guy. Killing millions of people, many of them innocent people who live in a dictatorship and have zero control over their "government" would die. Pandoras box of Chian/Taipei N Korea/S korea along with every terrorist nutcase with an old soviet dirty bomb in suitcases set off in times square or mar a largo.

When dems take control of congress in mid terms and impeach Trump and his band of boot lickers hopefully a few of the remaining republicans will actually pull their heads out of their butts and also vote get rid of the guy before he opens pandoras box. They had two chances already especially the Jan 6 impeachment and their lack of morals and courage were on full display as they refused to remove a clear and present danger.

Just now, jts-khorat said:

I would twist your argument if you would not have said, literally, that the Japanese (I guess those women and children in Hiroshima and Nagasaki) have brought it upon themselves to be burned to death without warning by an American bomb falling from the sky.

Maybe I would not be able to call you "evil", if you would agree, that destroying whole cities with everybody that lived in them would be an unforgivable war crime, instead of whataboutism, that there are other evil people in the world.

Was it acceptable for the Nazis to commit any sort of war crimes (like the V2 shot at London), because the Allies also perpetrated war crimes? The mind boggles, as exactly this is your argument.

Try reading what I said and not mixing it up with another member. When you quote someone, stick with one member at a time, and make sure when you do quote someone, don't quote just a line as it takes it out of context.

Thinking I'm for killing citizens is ignorance. I hate wars, Nazis and those who torture soldiers. I especially hate the Nazis, as I'm half Polish and have family that was there when they did what they did. I didn't comment on the Nazis.

The bombs dropped on Japan ended the war earlier than it would have, is what I meant and what millions have also said. The war would have gone on longer and many soldiers on both sides would have died, along with Japanese citizens. I never said anything about the Japanese citizens bringing it on themselves.

I said the strike on the school children in Iran wasn't intentional, but the killing of the children in the other Iran school by the regime was.

3 hours ago, jts-khorat said:

1 hour ago, Tourist2 said:

Were you there in the 40s to witness the alleged gas stuff AND there when they blew up the school?
Or is it psychic powers?
Or just shilling for Israel?

How else can you be SO sure oh so awake n wise one?

I didn't say anything about the Nazis. I'm very aware of the atrocities they did to the Jews and it's one of my few hatreds. I go by what the media has said about the school strike in Iran, just as everyone else does.

7 hours ago, HolmesEquivelant said:

Japan had no intention of surrendering until the A-bomb was dropped.

There biggest and newest battleship, YAMATO was sunk on its maiden voyage on the way to battle with the superior American fleet off Okinawa.

American fighter/torpedo pilots sank her and all of the crew. They never had a chance.

A turkey shoot.

Thanks for correcting that disgraceful fake, false, revisionist history.

The Japanese high command was still talking and arguing amongst itself after Hiroshima. An initial tendency to surrender was eventually rejected. After Nagasaki there was no more talking. The peace faction won overwhelmingly. It was decided within hours.

Saved hundreds of thousands of lives. Especially millions of Japanese civilian lives, who had been drilled for months to fight to the death against the long nose invaders.

9 hours ago, jts-khorat said:

I would twist your argument if you would not have said, literally, that the Japanese (I guess those women and children in Hiroshima and Nagasaki) have brought it upon themselves to be burned to death without warning by an American bomb falling from the sky.

Maybe I would not be able to call you "evil", if you would agree, that destroying whole cities with everybody that lived in them would be an unforgivable war crime, instead of whataboutism, that there are other evil people in the world.

Was it acceptable for the Nazis to commit any sort of war crimes (like the V2 shot at London), because the Allies also perpetrated war crimes? The mind boggles, as exactly this is your argument.

We don't need a lecture from a Germany whose ancestors brought the world the Holocaust.

12 hours ago, Red Forever said:

Japan had already accepted defeat. Indeed, the naval fleet was sailing south to surrender to the Allied Forces in the South China Sea (Guam?) before the senseless destruction of Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

Shades of Bomber Harris’ bombing of Dresden.

This is 100% false. This was Operation Ten-Go, which was a suicide mission to engage the US forces at Okinawa. If you want to read about how the Japanese were intent on fighting to the end, read the book Downfall: The End of the Imperial Japanese Empire and Combined Fleet Decoded.

1 hour ago, BusyB said:

Thanks for correcting that disgraceful fake, false, revisionist history.

The Japanese high command was still talking and arguing amongst itself after Hiroshima. An initial tendency to surrender was eventually rejected. After Nagasaki there was no more talking. The peace faction won overwhelmingly. It was decided within hours.

Saved hundreds of thousands of lives. Especially millions of Japanese civilian lives, who had been drilled for months to fight to the death against the long nose invaders.

Exactly, and I truly wonder where some supposed adults get their information from. Then come on here and try to demean you when you speak the truth. Maybe they never watched movies or documentaries or read any books written by veterans.

6 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

The bombs dropped on Japan ended the war earlier than it would have, is what I meant and what millions have also said. The war would have gone on longer and many soldiers on both sides would have died, along with Japanese citizens. I never said anything about the Japanese citizens bringing it on themselves.

The estimate for non Japanese civilian deaths at the way end was 240,000 a month. So let's say not dropping the bombs extended the war by 6 months. That would have been 1.44 million non Japanese civilians killed. Hiroshima and Nagasaki combined 214,000 by the end of 1945. So 214,000 verses 1.44 million. So the number of non Japanese civilians killed in one month exceeds the total of A bomb deaths. Make your own mind up.

1 hour ago, BusyB said:

Saved hundreds of thousands of lives. Especially millions of Japanese civilian lives, who had been drilled for months to fight to the death against the long nose invaders.

More like saving millions of lives. Mind you with the level of destruction and lack of organisation the death toll must have continued anyway.

Apart from destroying the world's economies, because Iran has warned it would attack all oil as facilities in the Middle East, it would likely drive Islamic terrorism to another level.

Not forgetting that there are now Muslin countries that not only possess nuclear weapons, but have signed defence pacts in the region.

from what I have read over the past few weeks the US has one that penetrates the ground and doesnt explode at the surface, if this is the case then it would certainly shut them down and destroy their underground area without the normal fall out but whether this is a fact is yet to be seen. Personally until they wipe out the IRGC they will not stop all this BS, they are all fanatics.

I find it extremely humorous that the leftists politicians were preaching what Trump is currently doing.

The fact is if Clinton, Obama, Biden or Harris did exactly what Trump has done leftists on the forum would be 100 % in favor of the conflict in Iran.

I guarantee it.

She even uses the word OBLITERATE.

Once again, the hypocrisy of the left has no limits to their madness.

The ONLY reason why they are against the conflict is because Trump is leading the way. To a Trump hater it’s the equivalent of kryptonite.

Strange but true!

16 hours ago, HolmesEquivelant said:

So who is saying Trump is going to nuke Iran?

No need to.

On April 7, 2026, he posted on Truth Social that “a whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again”. And since that can only be achieved by using nukes, the answer to your question is: trump.

Hope this helps.

18 hours ago, HolmesEquivelant said:

What you “think” and reality is two very different scenarios.

Yes, what I “think” is not reality. I hope you realize that is true of what everyone “thinks.”

Posts with derogatory nicknames, intentional misspellings, or personal remarks will be removed. Spell names correctly for all sides of the debate.

6 hours ago, HolmesEquivelant said:

Well said. It’s what leftists do. Lie and cheat. Whether on a public forum or off.

Truly a mental disorder amongst them.

No. It's what extremists on both ends of the spectrum do. The faker I was referring to was not identifiable by any political leaning beyond pure ignorance and a lack of genuinely researched and witnessed history education.

Your foolish, sweeping, divisive and inflammatory comment certainly raises questions about your mental health though.