Thai School Apologizes To Jewish Organization For Nazi Celebration

[Travel2003]

I do wonder if there is a degree of ignorance on the part of Thai's to the 2nd world war just going on my wife's (Thai) amazing lack of knowledge of world history, she had never heard of Hitler, world war 2 or 1 or even the Vietnam war!! She always says.."its not important for me"!

Yepp,

Same here.

She didnt know, she had never heard about it.

Not a priority at school.

Only one priority:

Proud Thai history.

Of course, Not about the sacking of neighbour cities and countries, relocating people, stealing the Emerald B., etc.

But good old expansion outside the borders, in order to protect the people.

Patriotism.

Bought some educational DVDs regarding the various subjects.

Also had to explain to her why some farangs in this country have these strange feelings towards the Japanese.

I was also surprised to learn how many of the Thais that more or less do not care about what happened along a particular rail road during WW II.

But then again, this is probably not the proudest chapter in Thai history.

So they do as the Japanese do, write their own versions of the history.

[the gent]

I suppose it was inevitable that most in this thread would miss the point of my post but then, given the demographic of the forum, no surprises there.

Perhaps I should amplify a little.

Dressing up in a fancy costume and simply having fun in the typical Thai way is a quite normal, rather endearing, facet of their culture and the fact that they chose an outfit representing the antithesis of that sentiment in the eyes of the average western observer demonstates their innocence in a way that I personally find deliciously charming.

But, to most here it seems that they have committed a grievous offence. Perhaps if a demonstrable irony replacing that innocence had been employed then perhaps the parade might have been more acceptable? Doubtless, many of the prigs on the forum would protest that no ' glorification ' would be acceptable but then they wouldn't have laughed at Mel Brooks' 'The Producers " .......springtime for Hitler in Chermanneeeee.... would they?

No, the only crime these sweet children committed was one of carelessness in that they failed to take into account the precious sensibilities of the westerner. Gosh, how dare they? Don't they know that if you dress up like a nazi you're only one goose step away from industrialised slaughter?

If only life was that simple but I suppose to most here it is in their little cartoon world. Talking of which, how do the prigs of the forum reconcile their stance on the Danish muslim cartoon debacle with their condemnation of the Thai school children? If memory serves me well most were less than charitable to the notion that muslims were justified in feeling their culture was under threat.

How do you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e ?

Incidentally, keep it up Elkangorito. Did we ever meet at Glastonbury?

[Jingthing]

So some people seem to be saying Thai ignorance and a bad education system is a feature? OK then.

What if Americans dressed up like murderous Khmer Rouge? Cute? Charming?

That said, I think this whole incident would have been better ignored. It was never a serious threat to anyone and obviously the ignorant organizers of this bizarre event had no idea what evil they were representing.

Edited October 20, 2007 by Jingthing

[the gent]

So some people seem to be saying Thai ignorance and a bad education system is a feature? OK then.

What if Americans dressed up like murderous Khmer Rouge? Cute? Charming?

Perhaps if the Americans had limited their involvement to the merely pantomime it may have been better but as it is history tells us that their support of Pol Pot meant the charnel house that was Cambodia consumed more than perhaps was necessary.

Inconvenient truths are so irksome, don't you think?

[Jingthing]

Americans

OK! Germans then. Better?

[mark henry]

I suppose it was inevitable that most in this thread would miss the point of my post but then, given the demographic of the forum, no surprises there.

Perhaps I should amplify a little.

Dressing up in a fancy costume and simply having fun in the typical Thai way is a quite normal, rather endearing, facet of their culture and the fact that they chose an outfit representing the antithesis of that sentiment in the eyes of the average western observer demonstates their innocence in a way that I personally find deliciously charming.

But, to most here it seems that they have committed a grievous offence. Perhaps if a demonstrable irony replacing that innocence had been employed then perhaps the parade might have been more acceptable? Doubtless, many of the prigs on the forum would protest that no ' glorification ' would be acceptable but then they wouldn't have laughed at Mel Brooks' 'The Producers " .......springtime for Hitler in Chermanneeeee.... would they?

No, the only crime these sweet children committed was one of carelessness in that they failed to take into account the precious sensibilities of the westerner. Gosh, how dare they? Don't they know that if you dress up like a nazi you're only one goose step away from industrialised slaughter?

If only life was that simple but I suppose to most here it is in their little cartoon world. Talking of which, how do the prigs of the forum reconcile their stance on the Danish muslim cartoon debacle with their condemnation of the Thai school children? If memory serves me well most were less than charitable to the notion that muslims were justified in feeling their culture was under threat.

How do you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e ?

Incidentally, keep it up Elkangorito. Did we ever meet at Glastonbury?

Sorry but i fail to see whats so "deliciously charming" about dressing-up as a Nazi!! I don't consider myself at all PC but i do think we have a responsibility to consider other people's feelings.

[the gent]

Americans

OK! Germans then. Better?

Oh, absolutely.

[LinkPopularity]

I keep waiting for an apology from the Jewish community ...

[Jingthing]

I keep waiting for an apology from the Jewish community ...

For what?

[Ulysses G.]

Dressing up in a fancy costume and simply having fun in the typical Thai way is a quite normal, rather endearing, facet of their culture and the fact that they chose an outfit representing the antithesis of that sentiment in the eyes of the average western observer demonstates their innocence in a way that I personally find deliciously charming.

But, to most here it seems that they have committed a grievous offence.

No, the only crime these sweet children committed was one of carelessness in that they failed to take into account the precious sensibilities of the westerner. Gosh, how dare they? Don't they know that if you dress up like a nazi you're only one goose step away from industrialised slaughter?

If your premise is that Thais are intrinsically stupid and have no chance of ever being otherwise, I suppose that this incident was quite "charming", but most of us are objecting to the fact that it took place at an institution that is supposed to educate and prepare them to deal with the world outside their own province.

Edited October 20, 2007 by Ulysses G.

[Edonista]

Perhaps twelve million ghosts of the genocide are haunting those Thai teachers now.

We all know you Jews are the God's favourites, but does that entitle you to have two souls each ?

Estimates over Holocaust victims range from zero (Ahmadinejad extimate) to six millions.

And the ghosts of all German and Japanese civilians killed by the "good guys" carpet bombings, are they entitled to haunt their killers too , or again, that's a Jews only priviledge ?

[Jingthing]

Perhaps twelve million ghosts of the genocide are haunting those Thai teachers now.

We all know you Jews are the God's favourites, but does that entitle you to have two souls each ?

Estimates over Holocaust victims range from zero (Ahmadinejad extimate) to six millions.

And the ghosts of all German and Japanese civilians killed by the "good guys" carpet bombings, are they entitled to haunt their killers too , or again, that's a Jews only priviledge ?

I think someone needs some education and/or someone just might be a not so closeted anti-semite, yes?

http://fcit.usf.edu/Holocaust/people/victims.htm

Approximately 11 million people were killed because of Nazi genocidal policy. It was the explicit aim of Hitler's regime to create a European world both dominated and populated by the "Aryan" race. The Nazi machinery was dedicated to eradicating millions of people it deemed undesirable. Some people were undesirable by Nazi standards because of who they were,their genetic or cultural origins, or health conditions. These included Jews, Gypsies, Poles and other Slavs, and people with physical or mental disabilities. Others were Nazi victims because of what they did. These victims of the Nazi regime included Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals, the dissenting clergy, Communists, Socialists, asocials, and other political enemies.

Edited October 20, 2007 by Jingthing

[somtaamgaiyang]

I suppose it was inevitable that most in this thread would miss the point of my post but then, given the demographic of the forum, no surprises there.

Perhaps I should amplify a little.

Dressing up in a fancy costume and simply having fun in the typical Thai way is a quite normal, rather endearing, facet of their culture and the fact that they chose an outfit representing the antithesis of that sentiment in the eyes of the average western observer demonstates their innocence in a way that I personally find deliciously charming.

But, to most here it seems that they have committed a grievous offence. Perhaps if a demonstrable irony replacing that innocence had been employed then perhaps the parade might have been more acceptable? Doubtless, many of the prigs on the forum would protest that no ' glorification ' would be acceptable but then they wouldn't have laughed at Mel Brooks' 'The Producers " .......springtime for Hitler in Chermanneeeee.... would they?

No, the only crime these sweet children committed was one of carelessness in that they failed to take into account the precious sensibilities of the westerner. Gosh, how dare they? Don't they know that if you dress up like a nazi you're only one goose step away from industrialised slaughter?

If only life was that simple but I suppose to most here it is in their little cartoon world. Talking of which, how do the prigs of the forum reconcile their stance on the Danish muslim cartoon debacle with their condemnation of the Thai school children? If memory serves me well most were less than charitable to the notion that muslims were justified in feeling their culture was under threat.

How do you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e ?

Incidentally, keep it up Elkangorito. Did we ever meet at Glastonbury?

I fear you are missing entirely the point that this involved a school project and schoolchildren.

The innocence/ignorance of dressing up as a Nazi is somewhat lost one me, and presumably part of the project should have entailed a little research to discover that murdering millions should not really be something that should be glorified. Would the teachers have allowed the kids to dress up in Thai Rak Thai uniforms, have a pro democracy rally or insult the king? Actually a school project on the importance of democracy would probably be the greatest project they could have done, but then I won't hold my breath for a Thai school teacher to be able to teach that either. It appears that this school takes great pride in teaching historical ignorance.

The kids are not to blame at all, the teachers however, should get a paid trip to Aushwitz and an up close view of the chambers.

If educators are completely ignorant of history to the point that they cannot discern modern history in such a black and white issue as Nazism, then god help this country. The teachers involved in this case have shown their complete inability to form young minds and have no place whatsoever in a position of responsibility.

Tolerance and free speech are great things, however, in most civilised societies, however celebrating an idea that brings with it ethnic or religious cleansing is rightly not tolerated. As for the Danish issue, the cartoon may have been in bad taste, but insulting an idol is not a crime. Burning down embassies and issuing death threats however actually is.

[the gent]

Ulysses,

The nazi holocaust and its relevance to the Thai is perhaps gauged by the inescapable fact most are ignorant of it.

And why should that be?

For you to imply stupidity is more illustrative of the inherent arrogance of the West than perhaps you can imagine.

Edited October 20, 2007 by the gent

[Edonista]

Perhaps twelve million ghosts of the genocide are haunting those Thai teachers now.

We all know you Jews are the God's favourites, but does that entitle you to have two souls each ?

Estimates over Holocaust victims range from zero (Ahmadinejad extimate) to six millions.

And the ghosts of all German and Japanese civilians killed by the "good guys" carpet bombings, are they entitled to haunt their killers too , or again, that's a Jews only priviledge ?

I think someone needs some education and/or someone just might be a not so closeted anti-semite, yes?

http://fcit.usf.edu/Holocaust/people/victims.htm

Approximately 11 million people were killed because of Nazi genocidal policy. It was the explicit aim of Hitler's regime to create a European world both dominated and populated by the "Aryan" race. The Nazi machinery was dedicated to eradicating millions of people it deemed undesirable. Some people were undesirable by Nazi standards because of who they were,their genetic or cultural origins, or health conditions. These included Jews, Gypsies, Poles and other Slavs, and people with physical or mental disabilities. Others were Nazi victims because of what they did. These victims of the Nazi regime included Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals, the dissenting clergy, Communists, Socialists, asocials, and other political enemies.

I am beginning to understand why Ahmadinejad (which, btw, I consider a madman) finds necessary to negate Holocaust.There are too many people who wave it in your face at every obcasion. And as time goes by,it is inflated over and over each year.

When I was at school 30 years ago, the Holocaust figures were 5.5 million Jews and 0.5 million gipses.Homosexuals, common criminals, handipcapped were estimated a handful of ten thousands, so the final compute was just rounded at 6 millions.

But since then the mediatic Jew circus has inflated the figures and step by step year after year they have peaked at 11 million. Then our great Thaivisa moderator thought to give his personal contribution and added another million, finally reaching the dozen

Iranian President is wrong in negating Holocaust, but his feelings are quite understandable.

[Ulysses G.]

But since then the mediatic Jew circus has inflated the figures and step by step year after year they have peaked at 11 million. Then our great Thaivisa moderator thought to give his personal contribution and added another million, finally reaching the dozen

Approximately 11 million people were killed because of Nazi genocidal policy. It was the explicit aim of Hitler's regime to create a European world both dominated and populated by the "Aryan" race. The Nazi machinery was dedicated to eradicating millions of people it deemed undesirable. Some people were undesirable by Nazi standards because of who they were,their genetic or cultural origins, or health conditions. These included Jews, Gypsies, Poles and other Slavs, and people with physical or mental disabilities. Others were Nazi victims because of what they did. These victims of the Nazi regime included Jehovah's Witnesses, homosexuals, the dissenting clergy, Communists, Socialists, asocials, and other political enemies.

No one is claiming 11 million Jews were killed, including the "mediatic Jew circus".

Have a little trouble in the reading department, eh? You people always do.

[Ulysses G.]

I think someone needs some education and/or someone just might be a not so closeted anti-semite, yes?

Or a little bit of both.

[ColPyat]

Perhaps twelve million ghosts of the genocide are haunting those Thai teachers now.

We all know you Jews are the God's favourites, but does that entitle you to have two souls each ?

Estimates over Holocaust victims range from zero (Ahmadinejad extimate) to six millions.

And the ghosts of all German and Japanese civilians killed by the "good guys" carpet bombings, are they entitled to haunt their killers too , or again, that's a Jews only priviledge ?

Wow, this debate goes into some not very nice directions.

Yes, there is now a rather clear view that the city bombings in WW2 is to be considered a war crime, and also Bomber Harris is generally reviled in the UK (by people who have some idea on history). Nevertheless - these victims should not be set against the holocaust victims in some sort of you did, and so did we debate.

The Holocaust did exist in all its brutality, millions of Jews died (i believe somewhere around 80% of the European Jewish population), millions of Russian POWs died in prisoner of war camps and concentration camps. Many communists, socialists, social democrats, Gipsies, Homosexuals, Jehowas's witnesses, Catholic opponents, people who made jokes about Hitler at the wrong time, and whoever else.

Estimates of holocaust victims do not range from zero. They differences in opinion are about a few million here or there. Which, is not really much a difference of opinion, only a difference in statistics.

Anyhow, back to the topic - dressing up as a Nazi especially in a school festival is particularly distasteful, as this is supposed to be an institution of education. And especially hypocritical in a country that actively discourages even academic research into its own darker chapters, bans books, and blacklists their authors, making the profession of a historian a rather dangerous occupation.

Such a country is in dire need of education into the Nazi era, and pointing out such distasteful events is part of this education.

Edited October 20, 2007 by ColPyat

[Ulysses G.]

Ulysses,

The nazi holocaust and its relevance to the Thai is perhaps gauged by the inescapable fact most are ignorant of it.

And why should that be?

For you to imply stupidity is more illustrative of the inherent arrogance of the West than perhaps you can imagine.

As I said before, I think that you imply that Thais are stupid - or what you call "charming". I would chock this farce up to lack of a decent education.

[somtaamgaiyang]

Yes isn't it quaint how they look so sweet and harmless in their Nazi uniforms.

How endearing.

[dog412]

I suppose it was inevitable that most in this thread would miss the point of my post but then, given the demographic of the forum, no surprises there.

Perhaps I should amplify a little.

Dressing up in a fancy costume and simply having fun in the typical Thai way is a quite normal, rather endearing, facet of their culture and the fact that they chose an outfit representing the antithesis of that sentiment in the eyes of the average western observer demonstates their innocence in a way that I personally find deliciously charming.

But, to most here it seems that they have committed a grievous offence. Perhaps if a demonstrable irony replacing that innocence had been employed then perhaps the parade might have been more acceptable? Doubtless, many of the prigs on the forum would protest that no ' glorification ' would be acceptable but then they wouldn't have laughed at Mel Brooks' 'The Producers " .......springtime for Hitler in Chermanneeeee.... would they?

No, the only crime these sweet children committed was one of carelessness in that they failed to take into account the precious sensibilities of the westerner. Gosh, how dare they? Don't they know that if you dress up like a nazi you're only one goose step away from industrialised slaughter?

If only life was that simple but I suppose to most here it is in their little cartoon world. Talking of which, how do the prigs of the forum reconcile their stance on the Danish muslim cartoon debacle with their condemnation of the Thai school children? If memory serves me well most were less than charitable to the notion that muslims were justified in feeling their culture was under threat.

How do you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e ?

Incidentally, keep it up Elkangorito. Did we ever meet at Glastonbury?

I fear you are missing entirely the point that this involved a school project and schoolchildren.

The innocence/ignorance of dressing up as a Nazi is somewhat lost one me, and presumably part of the project should have entailed a little research to discover that murdering millions should not really be something that should be glorified. Would the teachers have allowed the kids to dress up in Thai Rak Thai uniforms, have a pro democracy rally or insult the king? Actually a school project on the importance of democracy would probably be the greatest project they could have done, but then I won't hold my breath for a Thai school teacher to be able to teach that either. It appears that this school takes great pride in teaching historical ignorance.

The kids are not to blame at all, the teachers however, should get a paid trip to Aushwitz and an up close view of the chambers.

If educators are completely ignorant of history to the point that they cannot discern modern history in such a black and white issue as Nazism, then god help this country. The teachers involved in this case have shown their complete inability to form young minds and have no place whatsoever in a position of responsibility.

Tolerance and free speech are great things, however, in most civilised societies, however celebrating an idea that brings with it ethnic or religious cleansing is rightly not tolerated. As for the Danish issue, the cartoon may have been in bad taste, but insulting an idol is not a crime. Burning down embassies and issuing death threats however actually is.

thank you. no need for me to post.

[PeaceBlondie]

Perhaps twelve million ghosts of the genocide are haunting those Thai teachers now.

We all know you Jews are the God's favourites, but does that entitle you to have two souls each ?

Estimates over Holocaust victims range from zero (Ahmadinejad extimate) to six millions.

And the ghosts of all German and Japanese civilians killed by the "good guys" carpet bombings, are they entitled to haunt their killers too , or again, that's a Jews only priviledge ?

Congratulations to Edonista for an internet first, that covers all of noms de plume: for falsely calling me a Jew. I shall add that to the epithets that falsely called me a Jew-hater. Thanks, Ulysses, for your support.

Now, on to Hua Hin where I can be classified as a New York City hater.

[Scott]

Sadly, this is starting to get way to personal and confrontational toward some people. I don't think it matters quite so much what anyones personal beliefs are, I think this has to do with allowing such an emotionally charged 'theme' occur in an educational setting.

We have an upcoming sports day event in December--I think "The Rape of Nanking" might be a good theme.

We'll let the Chinese and Japanese gov'ts sort that one out!

(And yes, I am kidding).

[Jingthing]

mediatic????

Is this an English word, and if so, can someone define it?

Boy, that edonista dude is a real meshugeh, isn't he?

BTW, aren't anti-semitic rants against the forum rules?

Edited October 20, 2007 by Jingthing

[the gent]

Scott,

.......or how about a pageant depicting the carpet bombing of S.E. Asian countries during the VietNam war including a vivid portrayal of the effects of defoliation in which the tableaux could possibly be featured in a particularly fetching shade of orange. Obvously, the theme would have to be subtitled lest observers fail to understand the underlying message viz: how the champions of civilisation vanquish those who favour tyranny and cruelty.

Honestly, I am astonished by the sheer inability of those who fail to grasp the point of this thread.

You purport to preach upon what constitutes bad taste yet all of you are from societies that have signally failed to learn from the lessons of the past. Prancing around in a nazi costume is apparently a dreadful taboo yet the slaughter of innocents in the name of western democratic ideals is somehow more acceptable. Why on earth should the Thai be expected to subscribe to such a bizarre dichotomy to the point that they should teach their children about something so irrelevant as a 60 year old war among the heathen farang.

Just accept it chaps. The west, and all of its sacred cows placed on the high altar of cant and hypocrisy to be worshipped by the taboo ridden deluded, is of no consequence to the Thai and their culture. You have nothing to offer save your money.

[blaze]

The problem is not that the kids did anything wrong- they didn't. The kids enacted every adolescent male's fantasy- (the fact girls was involved is another story- but an interesting one) And that is the fantasy of power in a world in which they normally feel quite powerless.

The problem is that adults- both parents and teachers must have been involved in some degree in the preparation for this event. And that this event was permitted is a shameful and embarassing indictment of the so called adults - perhaps a cross section of middle class Thai society.

It reveals a profound ignorance. Thailand is a part of the world- like it or not. And the world has chosen to employ as a symbol of unrestrained rascism and nationalism, the Nazis. Not the Khmer Rouge, not the Japanese military, not even the Italian Fascists or Spanish Falange- but the Nazis. That is why extreme right wing nationalist groups around the world rarely adopt the symbols of Mussolini's legions or of the Ku Klux Klan. Unless, and often in addition to their own homegrown symbology, they adopt the symbols of the Nazis.

And the Thai kids knew this. They didn't choose to dress up as Latvian Optometrists. They chose to dress up as Nazis. Why Nazis and not Doctor's Without Borders? Because they KNEW of the taboo. That is the attraction to kids- stomping on taboos.

Obviously the Nazis have some symbolic value for those kids or they would not have chosen it. What could that be? In my own country, little boys (some not so young- recall the biker regalia of thirty years back) are fascinated not with the anti-semiticism of the Nazis- not even with the pure race idea- but rather with the abrogation of the individual to the uber-gang, with the the attraction to a range of rituals and symbols strong enough to mock conventional morality. And the attraction to violent solutions for complex problems. But above all, they enjoy the use of universally understood symbols to strike terror into friend and foe alike. That is what adolescence is about- need to feel power, need to feel belonging and need to feel simple solutions are at hand. The kids were just, forgive me, being kids. This is what kids minus the guiding hand of adults do.

And any adult who doesn't understand the danger in these childish fantasies- for the child as well as for the nation = is too stupid to belong to the modern world.

Not because I say he's too stupid- but because he will be rejected. Isolated. And then we got- Burma. Or N Korea or Hoxa's Albania.

I know this was an isolated event- but had it occurred in a country which hadn't recently distinguished itself in its adulation of military dictators, then perhaps the whole thing would not be so indicative of a sickness that underlies this country: and that sickness is the very innocence an earlier poster referred to: innocense in an adult is not cute.

Edited October 20, 2007 by blaze

[A_Traveller]

can be taken to mean mediatic???? Is this an English word, and if so, can someone define it?

No, in this case it would appear to be derived from the French term mediatique, which means more than simply media-related or 'mediatised', and suggests an exaggerated approach to presentation. By the by it also has a mathematical definition, which I'm presuming here was not the intention since this is not a discussion about boundary mathematics.

Regards

/edit typo//

Edited October 20, 2007 by A_Traveller

[somtaamgaiyang]

Scott,

.......or how about a pageant depicting the carpet bombing of S.E. Asian countries during the VietNam war including a vivid portrayal of the effects of defoliation in which the tableaux could possibly be featured in a particularly fetching shade of orange. Obvously, the theme would have to be subtitled lest observers fail to understand the underlying message viz: how the champions of civilisation vanquish those who favour tyranny and cruelty.

Honestly, I am astonished by the sheer inability of those who fail to grasp the point of this thread.

You purport to preach upon what constitutes bad taste yet all of you are from societies that have signally failed to learn from the lessons of the past. Prancing around in a nazi costume is apparently a dreadful taboo yet the slaughter of innocents in the name of western democratic ideals is somehow more acceptable. Why on earth should the Thai be expected to subscribe to such a bizarre dichotomy to the point that they should teach their children about something so irrelevant as a 60 year old war among the heathen farang.

Just accept it chaps. The west, and all of its sacred cows placed on the high altar of cant and hypocrisy to be worshipped by the taboo ridden deluded, is of no consequence to the Thai and their culture. You have nothing to offer save your money.

I didn't see anyone here claiming that it would in any way be right for American schoolchildren to perform a march in school celebrating carpet bombing. Neither was I ever as a child in the UK taught that war is in any way something that should be celebrated. At least in the UK, we mourn the dead, we do not celebrate war. You are barking up the wrong tree if you can find anything to defend in the actions of the Nazis.

We are discussing honoring or celebrating the Nazis who carried out a systematic cleansing of peoples in their millions in an educational institution with adolescent minds involved. Carpet bombing was a horrendous thing but was carried out in the pursuance of war. Public record has shown it was debated by the war committees endlessly on moral grounds. Wars are not pretty things.

Exterminating a selective group of people in the pursuance of ethnic purity is I think one would believe a completely different thing. It is one thing to mourn people who lost lives in war in action, it is another thing entirely to be shown to in any way celebrate what has been written in history as a horrendous extermination of people on the basis of religion. Who knows we farangs may be caught in some crazy things as a group in future.

It may appear that I have nothing more to offer than my money, fortunately or unfortunately, I have my children to offer to this country. Very fortunately they attend a school where they would never be allowed to walk in Nazi uniform and and be taught by teachers who are intelligent and responsible.

[Johpa]

I am beginning to understand why Ahmadinejad (which, btw, I consider a madman) finds necessary to negate Holocaust.There are too many people who wave it in your face at every obcasion. And as time goes by,it is inflated over and over each year.

When I was at school 30 years ago, the Holocaust figures were 5.5 million Jews and 0.5 million gipses.Homosexuals, common criminals, handipcapped were estimated a handful of ten thousands, so the final compute was just rounded at 6 millions.

But since then the mediatic Jew circus has inflated the figures and step by step year after year they have peaked at 11 million. Then our great Thaivisa moderator thought to give his personal contribution and added another million, finally reaching the dozen

Iranian President is wrong in negating Holocaust, but his feelings are quite understandable.

The only reason that you find his feelings understandable is that you are in sympathy with those feelings of "throwing the Jews down the well."

I believe that the reference to a "Jew circus" gives credence to my above statement. I have no clue as to the meaning of your neologism "mediatic", perhaps a reference to some conspiratorial belief that the imagined seven Jews control world media also. By the way, I have never seen any sources increasing the number of Jewish victims of the Holocaust above 6 million.

If the moderators were to make a positive contribution to TV it would be to remove your account.

[Jingthing]

I would like Mr. E and his ilk to stay as by coming out the way he has for what he is, it makes it clear that the sickness of anti-semitism is alive and well today, as it has ever been. However, I still think any excitement about the Thai Nazi day is unwarranted; as it tells us more about the wacky educational system here than any epidemic of a neo-Nazi movement in Thailand, which as far as I can tell does not exist.

Edited October 20, 2007 by Jingthing