What To Feed My 14 Mth Old.......?

[choppychugger]

Hi all,

My son has reached the age of 14 mths old and up intill recently was keen on gnashing his way through pretty much anything. His weight:height ratio has been consistent so far, apart from the one time when he got sick.

He mainly eats thai style rice with various meats and a few veggies etc.... and fruit in between. Lately he has been getting bored with these meals and has cut right back on the amount he is eating.

Could anyone reccomend some meals that we could put together for him, or possibly a link to a good website or bookshop, with hope of giving him a bit of variety and an idea as to what sized portions he should be eating daily??

Also,,, he is still drinking baby formula. I was hopeing that he would have finished this a long time ago, but my wife says that he should be drinking it till nearly 2 years old??? I have just seen some other websites that say you can stop @ 1 year old, and go straight over to whole milk??

Any advice would be much apreciated.

Thanks in Advance.

Choppy

[Boo]

after one year old babies can & should be drinking normal full fat cows milk (providing there is no allergy of course). As for meals, check out the annabel karmel meal planner for babies & toddlers. My son is only 6months but is eating her lamb or beef casserole, chicken livers, lentil & veg or minestrone soup for dinner every day & loves it. He also has thai rice with chicken & veg on occasion & we give him rice with banana for brekkie but the main dinner is from her book. The food is suitable for both adults & children & is really appitising.

If you want I can type up a couple of his favs & pm you the receipes.

[choppychugger]

after one year old babies can & should be drinking normal full fat cows milk (providing there is no allergy of course). As for meals, check out the annabel karmel meal planner for babies & toddlers. My son is only 6months but is eating her lamb or beef casserole, chicken livers, lentil & veg or minestrone soup for dinner every day & loves it. He also has thai rice with chicken & veg on occasion & we give him rice with banana for brekkie but the main dinner is from her book. The food is suitable for both adults & children & is really appitising.

If you want I can type up a couple of his favs & pm you the receipes.

Yes that would be great if you could type up a couple of his faves.

Also do you think we can just bring him straight over to whole milk, or do we have to ween him off the powdered stuff whilst introducing the whole milk????

me and the wife have different ideas on how to do it.

Thanks.

[Boo]

the weaning off of formula is entirely a personal choice. I use the NHS birth to 5year book which is given to all preggers women in the UK as my guide & they don't think that weaning is needed but I know some people who do by switching one bottle to cows milk for a day or two but a lot of kids wont even notice the change so just do what you think is best.

I'll get some recipes to you later, one Q...do you have an oven or slow cooker or just a gas burner?

[choppychugger]

the weaning off of formula is entirely a personal choice. I use the NHS birth to 5year book which is given to all preggers women in the UK as my guide & they don't think that weaning is needed but I know some people who do by switching one bottle to cows milk for a day or two but a lot of kids wont even notice the change so just do what you think is best.

I'll get some recipes to you later, one Q...do you have an oven or slow cooker or just a gas burner?

Thats good advice thanks. To be honest i am not good at researching info on the net.

answer to your Q. we have all 3.

thanks

choppy

[leisurely]

We were lucky with ours, as soon as girl number one reached a year old, it was out with the SMA and in with the dark blue top, girl number two didn't quite reach a year, she was about a week short, but as the tin had run out and it is so expensive comparatively, again, in with the milk from cows. I would second Anabel Karmel, she is a patronising boasty body, but her recipes are nutritionally sound and ours have grown up with them. I think she has a page on the BBC food and drink website that you may want to check out.

[sonicdragon]

after one year old babies can & should be drinking normal full fat cows milk (providing there is no allergy of course). As for meals, check out the annabel karmel meal planner for babies & toddlers. My son is only 6months but is eating her lamb or beef casserole, chicken livers, lentil & veg or minestrone soup for dinner every day & loves it. He also has thai rice with chicken & veg on occasion & we give him rice with banana for brekkie but the main dinner is from her book. The food is suitable for both adults & children & is really appitising.

If you want I can type up a couple of his favs & pm you the receipes.

What is the reason they "should" (providing there is no allergy) be on FF cows milk after one ?

[Mossfinn]

As for meals, check out the annabel karmel meal planner for babies & toddlers.

I would second Anabel Karmel,

I have never heard of this woman, but I will pass on the info to the wife.

My son is only 6months but is eating her lamb or beef casserole, chicken livers, lentil & veg or minestrone soup for dinner every day & loves it.

That's a month ahead of schedule according to the book Boo, he must be doing well, I can only think our boy will be the same at 6m the way he is progressing.

Moss

[Boo]

yep we started weaning at 4months partly due to his dairy allergy. i just got sick of waiting for gp to get off her ass so decided to give him nutrition in other ways. started with basic veg & baby rice & followed his lead when to add more foods but he is still on puree but will eat anything put in front of him & just recently started with finger foods whcih mean a LOT of mess

Sonic, afaik after a year the dietary requirements change. They need a more fat based diet, so full fat milk, yogurt, cheese is recommended & it also contains vitimin A whereas formula provides the iron & nutrients they need under this age. I know there are follow on milks which babies can have till two but no one I know has ever used one & the health visitors here poo poo them as a bit of a scam

[bina]

14 mos should be eating what u are eating but oriented towards baby taste buds and size: finger foods, seaonings, whatever u are eating (hopefully) he should be eating too except for choking hazard foods... even allergy laden type foods are dependent on which culture u live in and background of baby: americans have the peanut allergy, here (israel) peanutbutter is not considered a main allergen due to the fact that peanuts are not used so often in cooking so exposure is less. here, tomatoes are high on the list since they are a very heavy load in the daily meals and lots of babies react to them. mashed meats and veggies or semi mashed.

formulas after one year old are probably geared towards hysterical parents rather then children. if u breast feed for two/three years, the child eats less 'food' and gets nutrition from the breast milk. if not breast feeding, food takes the place of the forumula and formula is for comfort food before sleep or if a child is failure to thrive/food /health problems.

at one year of age, children that sit up on their own get food to play with: yougurts white cheeses (an israeli equivalent to kfir/thick yougurt), all kinds of foods including pastas, all eaten by self using hands and a plastic mat under the chair. if child still doesnt sit well, the foods are given to play /eat and also fed by mum. formula only at breakfast and sleep time. tons of dairy is eaten here. (yuck). the playing is part of the eating experience. ick i hated that age.

obviously each country has its own mother/child guidelines and what is culturally acceptable too.

i forgot that also growth spurts change the eating habits. at certain ages, toddlers (1-3) growth spurt slows down and eating patterns change. also tastes change.

what i posted above is the latest (sister in law's one yr old daughter, breast fed still) instructs the moms here get.

bina

israel

[sonicdragon]

yep we started weaning at 4months partly due to his dairy allergy. i just got sick of waiting for gp to get off her ass so decided to give him nutrition in other ways. started with basic veg & baby rice & followed his lead when to add more foods but he is still on puree but will eat anything put in front of him & just recently started with finger foods whcih mean a LOT of mess

Sonic, afaik after a year the dietary requirements change. They need a more fat based diet, so full fat milk, yogurt, cheese is recommended & it also contains vitimin A whereas formula provides the iron & nutrients they need under this age. I know there are follow on milks which babies can have till two but no one I know has ever used one & the health visitors here poo poo them as a bit of a scam

By "here" I suppose you mean the UK ? Personally I found the health visitors to be a complete waste of space in the UK and I wouldn't trust anything they say - we were there for 3 months over the summer and one came to the house 4 times (3 different visitors for various bizarre reasons) and the only useful thing to come out of those visits was not having to take 2 babies to the local surgery for weighing. They gave us some advice on weaning and sleeping problems, none of which was even the slightest help - we were on the phone with our nanny in Hong Kong quite a lot, and she was a great help, by comparison.

Having consulted with paediatricians in the USA (one of my best friend's sister is one), Hong Kong (my wife's uncle is one) and here in Thailand (we tried to see one in the UK but that proved to be impossible), I am led to understand that so long as the child is receiving a balanced diet, which at a year should be including a large variety of different solid foods, there is no reason why follow-on formula cannot be part of the diet. We give ours a bottle at night time before bed.

I am interested in your recipes so please do post them rather than just send by PM.

To the OP, we recently found that both our twins became quite fussy eaters (now 13 months old) having gone through around 6 months of eating more or less anything they were given. We constantly try new things with them, and in thailand luckily that's very easy with such a wealth of fresh veg and fruits. We have found that they will now rarely eat a lot of anything, and instead prefer small amounts of lots if things; as an example, this morning for breakfast they had some porridge oats (unsweetened made with cows milk), a slice of wholemeal bread and butter, pumpkin (rejected), brocolli, pomegranite and a few red grapes. Havings spoons of various colours seems to help a lot - often they will reject something from a green spoon but happily take it from an orange one !! It seems that they get bored not only with the taste and texture and colours, but also with the person feeding them. For some reason our HK Nanny can get them to eat things very easily all the time, but here in Thailand, we have to alternate between me, my wife and one the maids regularly. Whereas mealtime a few months ago was over in 20 mins, usually now it takes over an hour !!

[sonicdragon]

14 mos should be eating what u are eating but oriented towards baby taste buds and size: finger foods, seaonings, whatever u are eating (hopefully) he should be eating too except for choking hazard foods...

I agree. Following on from my last post, I am now eating almost the same foods as the babies. My wife can't get by without super-spicy food so she still eats her regular thai food.

formulas after one year old are probably geared towards hysterical parents rather then children.

I strongly disagree. If the child likes formula, there is no reason not to give it, as a small part of a balanced diet.

if u breast feed for two/three years, the child eats less 'food' and gets nutrition from the breast milk. if not breast feeding, food takes the place of the forumula and formula is for comfort food before sleep or if a child is failure to thrive/food /health problems.

I think I agree with you here - not 100% sure of what the end of your last sentence means though - we found that a bottle before bedtime (cows milk or formula) usually leads to a good nights sleep. I certainly don't think that makes us hysterical parents.

[Oleg_Rus]

I saw locals feed their offspring with fried chicken at age just above 12mo.

Feeding bread to baby ? bad idea.

Meat ? - bad idea # 2. (ask bina, she can explain better, I just fon't bother)

Liver ? - no.

Sea fish, salmon, milk fish - good. boil it for 2-5mins, throw away broth, start it over. Pull the meal from the bones, take aside. keep boing bones with small ammount of water until it soft. smash it into puree - you got 100% natural source of P and Ca. Add some celery, oat or instant rice. boil it all together for 2-3 min. Place meal into glass containers and freeze it. Dinner for a week is served. Microwave of hot bath it and serve.

Else?

Oat meal - is truly the highest value in nutritions (not talking about black weed). Great for breakfast + 1 egg yolk (cooked for 25sec after it boils -> anything longer (ie hard egg) is useless.)

Rice - sorry, the last on the scale.

Wheat - or, just fine for porridges.

Any fries? no. not at all. Pasta? no. shortly - any junk is no.

Simple, is it ?

[sonicdragon]

Feeding bread to baby ? bad idea.

And what is wrong with bread ?

[Boo]

Here are a few of my sons favs I have quoted directly from the book;

Chicken liver with veg & apple

100g (4oz) chicken livers

40g (1 1/2oz) chopped onion

1 tbsp veg oil

1 medium carrot peeled & sliced

1 large potato peeled & diced

1/2 small dessert apple, peeled cored & chopped

250ml (8floz) chicken stock

Clean livers, removing fat & grisle & slice them. Saute the onion in the veg oil until softened. Add the sliced liver & saute for about 1 minute until it has changed colour. Add te carrot, potato & apple, pour over the stock & simmer for 20minutes. Can either be chopped up small for older babies or mashed or pureed for younger ones.

Food fact; chicken liver provides a good source of vitimins & iron. Babies are born with a store of iron that lasts for about six months so after this time it is important to ensure they get all the iron that they need from their diet.

Suitable for freezing & makes approx 4 portions.

Lovely Lentils

50g (2oz) finely chopped onions

100g (4oz) carrots, peeled & chopped

15g (1/2oz) celery, chopped

1tablespoon vegetable oil

50g (2oz) red split lentils

250g (8oz) sweet potato, peeled & chopped

400ml (14floz) vegetable or chicken stock

Sauté onions, carrots & celery in the oil for about 5 minutes or until soft, add the lentils & sweet potato to the pan & add the stock. Bring to boil, turn down heat & simmer, covered with a lid for 20minutes.

Can be pureed into a dahl or add more stock & the family can eat as a lentil soup.

Food fact; Lentils are a good, cheap source of protein. They also provide iron, which is very important for brain development, particulary betweent he ages of six months & two years.

Suitable for freezing & makes approx 5 portions.

Fish in orange sauce

225g (8oz) fillet of fish (cod, haddock or hake) skinned

125ml (4floz) fresh orange

40g (1 1/2oz) grated cheddar cheese

1 dessertspoon chopped parsley

25g (1oz) crushed cornflakes

15g (1/2oz) unsalted butter

Put the fish in a greased dish cover with the orange juice, cheese, parsley & cornflakes & dot with the butter. Cover with foil & bake at 180degrees Celsius or gas 4 for about 20minutes. Or put all in microwave proof dish, cover with a lid & microwave on high for 4minutes.

(personal note, I either mash in witH some rice or a bit of mashed potato)

Suitable for freezing & makes about 2 portions.

Sweet potato & lamb casserole

90g (3 q/2oz) lamb butlet tr4immed of fat & diced

2 spring onions thinly sliced

275g (10oz) sweet potato peeled & chopped

75g (3oz) tomatoes skinned, deseeded & chopped

Pinch of mixed herbs or dried rosemary

125ml (4floz) chicken stock

Pre heat oven at 180 degrees celcius gas 4 Put all the ingredients in a small casserole dish, cover with a lid & cook in oven for 10-15minutes until bubbling. Reduce the heat to 150 degree C or gas 2 & continue to cook for about 45minutes or until lamb is tender. Can be either chopped for older babies or pureed or blended for younger.

Food fact; Lamb provides a good dource of vitamins B, zinc & iron.

Suitable for freezing & makes about 3 portions.

(my son loves this one & we all eat it as I just triple the ingredients)

[Boo]

I put this seperate so as not to get lost but as my son is under a year old I am using receipes suitable for his age range so older babies can have a bit more seasoning but they taste really nice even without salt & pepper as me & hubby also eat them. Ok hubby adds a load of chilli to his bowl but he is thai so what you gonna do??

I also make my own chicken & veg stock as shop ones have quite a high salt content for young babies but again, over a year I have been advised that knorr ones are suitable. If anyone wants the stock receipes then I am happy to post them too

As another aside, I am not a food expert but am an interested mother who HAS to make all her sons foods due to his allergies so wont post anything I haven't tried out on my own kid already or researched enough to feel it is safe & suitable.

[sonicdragon]

Cool - some good ideas there, boo

[Boo]

got a few more he has "road tested" but have no time to type out yet but will post more later.

[choppychugger]

Thanks boo,,,,,,

Will try some of these out in the coming days

[bina]

oleg: pay attention:actually:

rice is recommended as good; wheat on the no no list in countries with gluten absorption problems (western world, israel, dont think thailand has celiac in their gene pool)

fish: again some cultures fish and shellfish are a big no no; other cultures, no problem.. depends on allergies

bread: because of the gluten and also sticking in throat

hard egg yolks or well cooked scrambled eggs: salmonella in soft cooked egg yolk

honey + botulism wait until after one year old

my last line: formula is given to food eating children (not breast feeders who eat much less solids) as a 'comfort' food before sleep/ or to children who for some reason do not or cannot eat much solid foods: ill children, those who are ill a lot with ear infections etc are more finicky eaters as they dont feel good, and the sucking on a bottle for a large amount of children is the 'comfort' for them.

an hour!! and u have to play games to get your kids to eat?? i know that there are lot sof articles for new mothers now about fussy baby syndrome /baby anorexia and eating habits, but again, a lot of the articles are geared to mothers living in this culture/country and each culture and country have their own concerns and 'problems'. since sis in law is a 'new age/modern yuppy' type mother, i am kept up on the latest baby instructions/problems. some of which, i admit, seem extreme in their -yes -- hysteria.

certain types of meat: again seems to differ among cultures as to what should or shouldnt be given. as for fried chicken: we take the batter off and give small pieces no problem.

boo, as i am used to cook for the baby houses: lentils and other legumes are filled with 'inaccessible' iron for infants. they just cant absorb the iron thats there in the legumes. i suppose i could ask friends down the road as they are complete vegans, home schoolers and breast feed til late so she may have some tasty recipes.

btw: we give tehina (the mid. eastern equivalent to peanut butter is ground sesame seeds. we use the whole sesame tahina, u mix with water and add chopped parsley or mix with hommous (home made, not the bought stuff with all the preservatives). hummous is easy: boiled garbanzo beans, blender really well, or leave slightly bumpy for older children, mix with tehina thats been thinned with water: a great nutrious finger food (eat with pita bread using fingers to scoop up the humous, or let toddlers 'paint ' with it and eat it at same time.

we also give tehina with mashed bananas. its delicious actually.

non sweetened herbal teas (mint/spearmint leaves, not the bought stuff)

if someone really wants to know, i could zip over to the toddler houses on sunday (youngest daughter works with the toddlers since schools are on strike here) and see what they are eating: kibbutz child rearing is usually influence by the latest trends approved by nurses. u wont find any synthetics, junk foods, sweetened foods, or toddlers napping with bottles in mouth at our baby houses (yes they sleep at home at night but stay until 16:00 ). they make their own snacks and have gone over to organic fruits (grapes and strawberries especially important to be organic as their small skin surface absorb much more of the sprays and u eat more of the skins ); their teeth are brushed at every meal, weight loss and gain are monitored as are developmental things. we are a baby obsessed society. since they cook for large groups they have numerous recipes for both veggie babies and carnivores (we have some holistic mothers here). gerber is for when travelling and no access to healthy cooked foods.

[Boo]

boo, as i am used to cook for the baby houses: lentils and other legumes are filled with 'inaccessible' iron for infants. they just cant absorb the iron thats there in the legumes. i suppose i could ask friends down the road as they are complete vegans, home schoolers and breast feed til late so she may have some tasty recipes

This receipe is from a well know infant food specialist who actually put a side note to this lentil receipe that states that the the iron in red split lentils are accesable for infants but they take longer to absorb which is why they should be mixed with a lot of fresh veg as in the receipe given. Also giving well diluted orange juice (during the meal & only from a beaker to stop tooth rot) will help the absorbtion of the iron too. Don't know about legumes but she specifically mentions red split lentils & classifies them as a pulse so they may be different in this regard.

About Annabel Karmel

[seonai]

Hey Boo I fancy some of these myself actually - very impressed with your skills too... I remember the microwave days

[Boo]

hey cheeky, i kept you & nostrils alive with fake mash & battered fish

[seonai]

:D

[Oleg_Rus]

Dear bina, I thought I can explain my point, but ....

sure fish is pretty hard to select, but consider any livestock meat - is better

eggs. salmonela will be there for sure, if it's there. But hard boiled eggs has so-called "negative benefit" means it takes more enegry to consume than actual benefit.

bread - if you didn't bake it - don't feed it (as one nice bearded man says - if I didn't kill it - I don't eat it)

shellfish ? pleeeease, you're from Israel, right ?

Honey - is good. I got it from Siberia, nice and clean.

Anyway- my point is - try to make it simle with less ingedients as possible. and load with greens.