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Fighting Terror

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I’m sure y’all have heard of Abu Ghraib and it’s the new Tet offensive.

By lying about the Tet offensive during the Vietnam War, the media managed to persuade Americans we were losing the war, which demoralized the nation and caused us to lose the war.

The immediate consequence of the media's lies was a 25 percent drop in support for the war. The long-term consequence for America was 12 years in the desert until Ronald Reagan came in and saved the country.

Now liberals are using their control of the media to persuade the public that we are losing the war in Iraq. Communist dictators may have been ruthless murderers bent on world domination, but they displayed a certain degree of rationality. America can't wait out 12 years of appeasement/surrender-monkey pusillanimity now that we're dealing with Islamic lunatics who slaughter civilians in suicide missions while chanting "Allah Akbar. :o

Can’t give up.. :D

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I’m sure y’all have heard of Abu Ghraib and it’s  the new Tet offensive.

By lying about the Tet offensive during the Vietnam War, the media managed to persuade Americans we were losing the war, which demoralized the nation and caused us to lose the war.

The immediate consequence of the media's lies was a 25 percent drop in support for the war. The long-term consequence for America was 12 years in the desert until Ronald Reagan came in and saved the country.

Now liberals are using their control of the media to persuade the public that we are losing the war in Iraq. Communist dictators may have been ruthless murderers bent on world domination, but they displayed a certain degree of rationality. America can't wait  out 12 years of appeasement/surrender-monkey  pusillanimity now that we're dealing with Islamic lunatics who slaughter civilians in suicide missions while chanting "Allah Akbar. :o

Can’t give up.. :D

Yup...that's what lost the yanks the Vietnam war. You got it.

The majority of the world knows who the real religous-freak terrorists are. God bless America.

I'm sorry...but this <deleted> is beyond pointless now. Leave it at the pit.

Some people's tunnel vision never veers, never wavers.

mbkudu - unfortunately it goes both ways. (never any middle ground)

If it goes both ways, would it not be veering and wavering?

After the first debate, can you say with a straight face that you woyuld prefer

that George W. Bush leads America for the next four years to fight terror?

If you would prefer him, then all I can do is laugh my ass off! :D:D:D

Good luck to you matey. :o

After the first debate, can you say with a straight face that you woyuld prefer

that George W. Bush leads America for the next four years to fight terror?

If you would prefer him, then all I can do is laugh my ass off! :D:D:D

Good luck to you matey. :o

If John Kerry is elected and he promises to do what he says I don't have a problem but i have a very bad feeling he is not going to do what hes says

I have a question to you mbkudu i live in the states it's been three years since 9/11 and we have not been attacked again is it luck or something was done in the government to not have it happen again and if it was the second reason i point out Then it was from something President Bush Implemented

It could be that Bush did not want to blow anything else up :o

As the 9/11 "conspiracy theory" gains momentum it is now being talked about as factual. If Bush does not get back in, there will be all sorts of people coming out of the darkness to speak a few home truths. I wait for that day!

Who ever gets in will be ok by me - its fireworks whatever happens. :D

Wasn't best debate for either candidate... all too bloody vague IMO. I doubt it will change much of anything to be quite honest.

Sky- had european group - 1 french, 1 german, 1 Brit, 1 Spain - all agreed Kerry had the edge in the debate, but all thought GWB will win the election.

Tornado- back to the conspiracies??? Well I'll agree with you on one point- whoever wins def will be an interesting 4yrs either way. :o

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As the 9/11 "conspiracy theory" gains momentum it is now being talked about as factual.

It only gains momentum thru conspiracy nuts such as yourself, Gent.

Tell the truth - just what color is the sky in the world you're living on? :o

As the 9/11 "conspiracy theory" gains momentum it is now being talked about as factual.

It only gains momentum thru conspiracy nuts such as yourself, Gent.

Tell the truth - just what color is the sky in the world you're living on? :o

Purple and green spirals, flashing red lights, a few flying pigs and Lucy In The Sky with Diamonds :D

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The London Times illustrates the futility of any real retreat from fighting terrorism.

Thair Shaikh writes about how cellular phone technology is being used to capture "that perfect moment" for family and friends among a certain circle of persons.

Mobile phones are being used by young Muslims living in Britain to watch videos of hostages being beheaded by militants in Iraq. With their color screens and access to the internet, the latest generation of mobile phones are being used to download the videos after they are posted on Islamist websites. The videos can then be sent to other mobiles.

One militant has saved every available video of hostages being killed in Iraq. An Algerian in his thirties who has lived in London for almost ten years, he is a follower of Abu Hamza al-Masri, the cleric whose extradition is sought by the US ... said "for us the jihad is alive in our hands as we watch American infidels get their heads chopped off ... within a few minutes of the Americans dying last week I was watching them on my phone"

Which goes to prove that the worst job in the world isn't cleaning the floor at the peep-show but scouring the linoleum in the sacred establishment of Abu Hamza al-Masri, blessed be his name. One might criticize the conduct of the war on grounds that it should go faster, or be conducted in a different way, but it takes a special kind of obtuseness to argue the superfluity of defense against those who save the images of death agonies as a fetish. Yet that idea forms the unshakeable core of a Liberal creed which has a 50% chance of becoming American policy for the next four years.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/newspaper/0,,...1290274,00.html

As the 9/11 "conspiracy theory" gains momentum it is now being talked about as factual.

It only gains momentum thru conspiracy nuts such as yourself, Gent.

Tell the truth - just what color is the sky in the world you're living on? :o

Purple and green spirals, flashing red lights, a few flying pigs and Lucy In The Sky with Diamonds :D

I would love to see your evidence on what did happen on 9/11 - now that would be interesting. Also please supply links to your sources :D

As the 9/11 "conspiracy theory" gains momentum it is now being talked about as factual.

It only gains momentum thru conspiracy nuts such as yourself, Gent.

Tell the truth - just what color is the sky in the world you're living on? :o

from a post on the beapit:

War games with the same ("simulated"?) outcome practised on the same morning - weird!.

Two towers coming down like a demolition job - weird!

video tapes from cameras that filmed the "crashes", "taken by government men" - weird!

The photo/closeup of the plane not looking like the same plane that was supposed to have crashed - weird!

Osamas family being flown out of the country within 24 hours - weird!

The named terrorist involved in the "crashes" turning up alive on video survelliance at other airports in the world - weird!

President sitting for seven minutes without reacting - weird!

Israeli men found to be in possesion of video tape of the whole 9/11 event and heard laughing and they were also prepared for the "crashes" a long time before it had started. - weird!

I do not know the real story, I can only go on the facts presented. Why would Bush's government try and censor a national enquiry into 9/11 - weird!

If Kerry wins this election, I think Bush will be outed as the planner of this atrocity.

As I said, I dont know what happened and neither does anyone else on this forum, but I do know that there is something not right.

Boon Mee you are a bloke working in the oil fields/rigs, you do not work for the FBI or the like. If you cannot see that something is amiss here, you are following blindly!

Do some research for once, you call yourself a patriot, but you do not act as one.

a quote from Milton on the bearpit:

"It amazes me that anyone who asks a good question is supposed to show irrefutable proof even though all the evidence being destroyed, disposed of or classified is in itself not viewed as suspicious. "

:o

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a quote from Milton on the bearpit:

"It amazes me that anyone who asks a good question is supposed to show irrefutable proof even though all the evidence being destroyed, disposed of or classified is in itself not viewed as suspicious. "

:o

Who is Milton...and don't tell us he's that philosopher dude because he died long before the Bearpit came around! :D

a quote from Milton on the bearpit:

"It amazes me that anyone who asks a good question is supposed to show irrefutable proof even though all the evidence being destroyed, disposed of or classified is in itself not viewed as suspicious. "

:o

Who is Milton...and don't tell us he's that philosopher dude because he died long before the Bearpit came around! :D

It is not the point who said it, it is what he has written.

BTW - you are a long way from snatching the pebble :D

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The only "pebbles" I'm snatching have "In God We Trust" printed on 'em! :D

Now, for some good news...

MORE GOOD NEWS FROM AFGHANISTAN, from the BBC's John Simpson:

Under the Taliban, you used to be awakened just before dawn by the howling of wild dogs. Today it's the racket of bulldozers. Kabul is undergoing a building boom, and in a city mostly composed of single-storey, flat-roof buildings it really shows.

Three years after the Taliban were chased out, Kabul has returned to the real world. The streets are jammed with cars, the shops are full of goods. Last year Afghanistan's economy grew by 30 per cent. The weirdest thing about Kabul under the Taliban used to be its unnatural silence. Now it's as noisy as anywhere on earth.

And we were told it was supposed to be a hopeless quagmire. . . :o

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...requestid=55988

Now, for some good news...

Not quite all good news, the article you quote also included the following comparisons with Iraq:

This is not Baghdad. The Americans and their allies are not unpopular here - except in the east and south of the country, where there has been fighting - and they are regarded as guarantors of Afghanistan's stability. The West is seen as essentially benign. At the international donors' conference in Berlin last April, $8 billion in aid and investment was pledged over the next three years: about as much as the Afghan economy can absorb.

There is no equivalent here of the stories you hear every day in Iraq, about people being insulted or mistreated by American soldiers; no suburbs, towns or cities are attacked with the latest American weaponry. If Afghanistan gets safely through this week, it will be a remarkable success story.

One of the reasons Afganistan has stabilised is because the country has been allowed to resume the production of opium to past levels, roughly 40% of the world's supply.

One of the reasons Afganistan has stabilised is because the country has been allowed to resume the production of opium to past levels, roughly 40% of the world's supply.

You know it's sad but true...

An interesting point is that 40% output was before the Taliban took full control of the country.

I used to have lots of links for what you are discussing - now a lot of them have been "killed off" - weird!

Heres one anyway.

CIA and US Government are drug dealers for Banking mafia!

author: AFP-Knowthetruth

Two years after the ruling Taliban were ousted from power by a US-led coalition, opium production has skyrocketed as farmers crank up output...

The Taliban outlawed opium cultivation and had almost stamped out the practise.

Afghan output now accounts for two-thirds of world opium production and ...it is spreading to areas in the country where it has not been grown before.

Record opium output forecast in Afghanistan

Opium output hit a record high in Afghanistan in 2003, with another increase expected this year in the war-torn country that does not have any other real exports, a conference was told on Sunday.

Two years after the ruling Taliban were ousted from power by a US-led coalition, opium production has skyrocketed as farmers crank up output...

The Taliban outlawed opium cultivation and had almost stamped out the practise.

Afghan output now accounts for two-thirds of world opium production and officials have voiced concern because it is spreading to areas in the country where it has not been grown before.

"The conference is looking at income alternatives, demand reduction and law enforcement," said Adam Bouloukos, deputy representative of the UN Office on Drugs and Crime (UNODC).

UNODC has estimated that the output could be worth $US2.3 billion, compared to Afghanistan's official exports of $US40 million to its neighbour Pakistan.

It estimates that Afghan opium production last year hit 3,600 tons, up six per cent over the previous year, and said that surveys of farmers show a further increase is likely this year.

-- AFP

8 February 2004

http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/280064.shtml

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"The Taliban outlawed opium cultivation and had almost stamped out the practise."

What are you saying here, Gent? That we should have left 'ol bin laden and his merry men alone? Those Taliban boys! How they do cut up! :o

"The Taliban outlawed opium cultivation and had almost stamped out the practise."

What are you saying here, Gent? That we should have left 'ol bin laden and his merry men alone? Those Taliban boys! How they do cut up! :o

Every post of yours, just makes you look thicker and un read, so carry on digging your self deeper. :D

"The Taliban outlawed opium cultivation and had almost stamped out the practise."

What are you saying here, Gent?  That we should have left 'ol bin laden and his merry men alone?  Those Taliban boys!  How they do cut up! :o

You can only feed hungry men horsesh!t for so long, and then they start to spit it out.

:D

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Well, here's another quote from that terrific un-biased source of yours, gent...

As hard as it is to believe for many people, one of the CIA's primary roles is to support the United States economy by bringing illegal drugs into this country. How can this be, you ask? Well, one of the CIA's main responsibilities is to provide much needed cash flow for banks and stock trading houses. If you find this relationship hard to swallow, why did six of the first seven CIA directors come directly from Wall Street, with many others having strong ties to the banking community?

Your dern tootin' it's hard to believe you conspiracy theorists you! :o

Next time try quoting from a news perodical w/out an ax to grind! And btw, you haven't answered the question about the color of that sky yet... :D

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Fighting terror is impossible, it being an emotion built into animals, including us.

Fighting people who use it as an instrument of coercion (terrorists) is possible, but you can never win a war if destroying terrorists is the condition of winning as more will appear sometime in the future. The only way to ensure this never happens is to make people so scared of doing it that it never happens BUT then you are "people who use it (terror) as an instrument of coercion", i.e. you become that thing against which you fight.

Fighting terror is impossible, it being an emotion built into animals, including us.

Fighting people who use it as an instrument of coercion (terrorists) is possible, but you can never win a war if destroying terrorists is the condition of winning as more will appear sometime in the future. The only way to ensure this never happens is to make people so scared of doing it that it never happens BUT then you are "people who use it (terror) as an instrument of coercion", i.e. you become that thing against which you fight.

Go Dickie. Well spoken, even for an Englishman. :o

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