Naam's Pond

[mickba]

I was following the saga up to the invasion of tadpoles and the risk of snakes but then it seemed to stop dead. Does anyone know what became of it - was he going to cover it? Are you still out there Naam?

[Naam]

I was following the saga up to the invasion of tadpoles and the risk of snakes but then it seemed to stop dead. Does anyone know what became of it - was he going to cover it? Are you still out there Naam?

i'm still out there, have tadpoles and frogs galore but never saw a snake. the reason could be that our home is in a gated community which is surround by a rather high wall.

[Crossy]

We have some "spare" monitor lizards, young ones about 18" long, they will eat your frogs (and anything else they can catch so keep the Shi-tzu indoors).

They will also make more monitors so you'll soon be wanting some snakes to eat your spare lizards

Edited February 3, 2008 by Crossy

[Naam]

We have some "spare" monitor lizards, young ones about 18" long, they will eat your frogs (and anything else they can catch so keep the Shi-tzu indoors).

They will also make more monitors so you'll soon be wanting some snakes to eat your spare lizards

a delicacy (charcoal grilled) in an area of Nigeria where we lived for 4½ years. tried it myself and agreed with the locals.

[mickba]

i'm still out there, have tadpoles and frogs galore but never saw a snake. the reason could be that our home is in a gated community which is surround by a rather high wall.

Ithink someone else was suggesting that your tadpoles would attract snakes.

I seem to recall your pond was rather large. Therefore, can I assume that you didn't have it tiled and, if so, did you paint the render/concrete with anything or include any damp proofing in it?

Thanks

[Naam]

i'm still out there, have tadpoles and frogs galore but never saw a snake. the reason could be that our home is in a gated community which is surround by a rather high wall.

Ithink someone else was suggesting that your tadpoles would attract snakes.

I seem to recall your pond was rather large. Therefore, can I assume that you didn't have it tiled and, if so, did you paint the render/concrete with anything or include any damp proofing in it?

Thanks

no tiles and no damp proofing only the upper part (~30cm) is painted. no cracks and no water loss except evaporation of about 1cm per week as pond is exposed to sun all day. perhaps worthwhile to mention is that my pond has more steel reinforcement in its concrete than the average thai house (i am an extremist)

p.s. not tadpoles but frogs attract snakes. on our (swampy) land in Africa we had a zillion frogs and a million snakes.

Edited February 6, 2008 by Naam

[mickba]

no tiles and no damp proofing only the upper part (~30cm) is painted. ................

OK thanks - the pic helps a lot - my project is somewhat different - I've built a Thai style (concrete) house on 2 levels on stilts so there are large areas underneath - the main area is nearly 3m high so has many uses (no, not buffalo), but 2 areas are only about 1.3m high and under one of them I plan a pond about 1.5m deep and about 40cu.m including main filter - then about 10 cu.m 'outside' but still mostly shaded at .5m deep - hopefully I shouldn't experience the green water problems to the extent that you and others have.

This is all above the water table level (I think) so I'm wondering about water loss. Do you recall the name of the paint you used and do you know anything about incorporating damp proofing additives in the concrete - i.e. effectiveness/cost?

Thanks

[Naam]

no tiles and no damp proofing only the upper part (~30cm) is painted. ................

OK thanks - the pic helps a lot - my project is somewhat different - I've built a Thai style (concrete) house on 2 levels on stilts so there are large areas underneath - the main area is nearly 3m high so has many uses (no, not buffalo), but 2 areas are only about 1.3m high and under one of them I plan a pond about 1.5m deep and about 40cu.m including main filter - then about 10 cu.m 'outside' but still mostly shaded at .5m deep - hopefully I shouldn't experience the green water problems to the extent that you and others have.

This is all above the water table level (I think) so I'm wondering about water loss. Do you recall the name of the paint you used and do you know anything about incorporating damp proofing additives in the concrete - i.e. effectiveness/cost?

Thanks

normal concrete without any additives was used. the paint is the same what the farmers of sweetwater shrimps use for their tanks and it holds up very good. the combination of steel reinforcement and paint should do the trick. i have no water loss except through some small evaporation and i am quite high above water level.

[BEENTHEREDONETHAT]

That looks like it would be a great Koi pond Naam. From the looks of the size you could get quite a few good size ones in there, nice one.

[Naam]

That looks like it would be a great Koi pond Naam. From the looks of the size you could get quite a few good size ones in there, nice one.

you are knifing an open wound BEENTHEREDONETHAT i had around a 100 koi, after two months water green with algae and thick like pea soup. then stupid me played too much around with chemicals. result: all kois dead will tackle the pond problem soon but have to finish first some sort or remodelling of my home which seems to take ages.

[Naam]

an update on Naam's pond reduced by 65%... (the pond, not the update

[sbk]

good lord naam, thats not a pond!

What is the white flowering tree off to the right? It looks like its been pruned to a standard?

[LaoPo]

an update on Naam's pond reduced by 65%... (the pond, not the update

That's not a pond; that's a swimming pool for fish. I foresee nightmares

LaoPo

[highdiver]

That looks like it would be a great Koi pond Naam. From the looks of the size you could get quite a few good size ones in there, nice one.

you are knifing an open wound BEENTHEREDONETHAT i had around a 100 koi, after two months water green with algae and thick like pea soup. then stupid me played too much around with chemicals. result: all kois dead will tackle the pond problem soon but have to finish first some sort or remodelling of my home which seems to take ages.

Naam

i built a large KOI pond as well and was having many problems with the algae (pea soup). we finally solved th problem with out chemicals. we used those black Algae eating fish.

on our pond which is very large, we introduced 6 of those fish. they are now realy big and the water is crystal clear.

good luck with the house renovations.

[Naam]

good lord naam, thats not a pond!

What is the white flowering tree off to the right? It looks like its been pruned to a standard?

i don't know the correct english expression SBK. it's a tree on which the shoots of some flowering bush were "transplanted". have two of them since nearly two years but they were never pruned/trimmed. the shoots hardly grow but shed daily a zillion white blossoms.

[Naam]

i built a large KOI pond as well and was having many problems with the algae (pea soup). we finally solved th problem with out chemicals. we used those black Algae eating fish. on our pond which is very large, we introduced 6 of those fish. they are now realy big and the water is crystal clear. good luck with the house renovations.

bought 9 of those algae eaters Highdiver. length perhaps 10cm. after 15 months they were 35cm and each weighed 4-5 pounds. pond was still a peasoup but the former gardener and his friends were feasting on them most probably for several days

[Naam]

That's not a pond; that's a swimming pool for fish. I foresee nightmares

LaoPo

the picture left WAS a part of the pond which is now partly filled up with soil. the hole in the concrete is for drainage, meanwhile with a 12" pipe and (to be on the safe side a submersible pump). the pictureright with the waterfall shows the pond "to be".

when the world was still in order and stupid me had high hopes the pond looked like this:

[twschw]

Very interesting to hear about fish ponds since I have installed 2 recently, nothing compared to Naam's fish lake though.

Just out of curiosity why was this posted in the "Jobs, economy, banking, business, investment in Thailand" forum. Not that it matters but is seems a strange place.

[Lost in LOS]

Very interesting to hear about fish ponds since I have installed 2 recently, nothing compared to Naam's fish lake though.

Just out of curiosity why was this posted in the "Jobs, economy, banking, business, investment in Thailand" forum. Not that it matters but is seems a strange place.

probably because you have to have Naams money to have a pond that size, so you go to this site to learn how to make enough for this pond...

for the smaller ponds look in the pet section

[twschw]

Jimmys you made me smile which is something considering my day today. Thanks

[JAS21]

That looks like it would be a great Koi pond Naam. From the looks of the size you could get quite a few good size ones in there, nice one.

you are knifing an open wound BEENTHEREDONETHAT i had around a 100 koi, after two months water green with algae and thick like pea soup. then stupid me played too much around with chemicals. result: all kois dead will tackle the pond problem soon but have to finish first some sort or remodelling of my home which seems to take ages.

Naam

i built a large KOI pond as well and was having many problems with the algae (pea soup). we finally solved th problem with out chemicals. we used those black Algae eating fish.

on our pond which is very large, we introduced 6 of those fish. they are now realy big and the water is crystal clear.

good luck with the house renovations.

Consensus in the UK was that you needed approx three pond volumes of water/hour passing through an ultra violet light unit and filters. That is with UK sunlight and also the pond being reasonably deep. If surface area is large compared to volume..bad news.

Namm’s pond design is typical of Thailand ponds, big surface area but not very deep. With Thailand sunshine ‘strength’ it has got to be a difficult battle with algae unless the pond is shaded…like inside as in hotels.

[LaoPo]

That's not a pond; that's a swimming pool for fish. I foresee nightmares

LaoPo

the picture left WAS a part of the pond which is now partly filled up with soil. the hole in the concrete is for drainage, meanwhile with a 12" pipe and (to be on the safe side a submersible pump). the pictureright with the waterfall shows the pond "to be".

when the world was still in order and stupid me had high hopes the pond looked like this:

The advantage is that if you buy one of these, you don't have to walk to Jomtien beach

LaoPo

[pkrv]

I rest my case - definitely nesting.

[sbk]

Very interesting to hear about fish ponds since I have installed 2 recently, nothing compared to Naam's fish lake though.

Just out of curiosity why was this posted in the "Jobs, economy, banking, business, investment in Thailand" forum. Not that it matters but is seems a strange place.

Indeed, it is, I didn't even notice. Moving to DIY/housing forum now.

[Naam]

Consensus in the UK was that you needed approx three pond volumes of water/hour passing through an ultra violet light unit and filters. That is with UK sunlight and also the pond being reasonably deep. If surface area is large compared to volume..bad news.

Namm’s pond design is typical of Thailand ponds, big surface area but not very deep. With Thailand sunshine ‘strength’ it has got to be a difficult battle with algae unless the pond is shaded…like inside as in hotels.

the pond was supposed to be much deeper (1.60m instead of 1.10m) but the subcontractor did what he wanted. when i realized the mistake i raised the rim by 20 cm which looks like sh*t now. had a couple of experts here who suggested besides the conventional filter a bio-filter and pumps for which i would have needed an additional electric connection

for the record. to achieve in my case a recirculation of "three pond volumes of water/hour" and that 24 hours a day would be something like 35,000 Baht electricity cost per month (which is approximately three times my present monthly average )

pond volume 95,000 litres x 3 = 285,000 l/h = 4,750 l/m = 11 kWh @ 3.85 Baht x 24 x 30 = >30,000 Baht/month.

[JAS21]

Consensus in the UK was that you needed approx three pond volumes of water/hour passing through an ultra violet light unit and filters. That is with UK sunlight and also the pond being reasonably deep. If surface area is large compared to volume..bad news.

Namm’s pond design is typical of Thailand ponds, big surface area but not very deep. With Thailand sunshine ‘strength’ it has got to be a difficult battle with algae unless the pond is shaded…like inside as in hotels.

the pond was supposed to be much deeper (1.60m instead of 1.10m) but the subcontractor did what he wanted. when i realized the mistake i raised the rim by 20 cm which looks like sh*t now. had a couple of experts here who suggested besides the conventional filter a bio-filter and pumps for which i would have needed an additional electric connection

for the record. to achieve in my case a recirculation of "three pond volumes of water/hour" and that 24 hours a day would be something like 35,000 Baht electricity cost per month (which is approximately three times my present monthly average )

pond volume 95,000 litres x 3 = 285,000 l/h = 4,750 l/m = 11 kWh @ 3.85 Baht x 24 x 30 = >30,000 Baht/month.

yes I meant a bio filter...in the UK I use 'a green machien' you might need a couple of the biggest ones..just google.co.uk green machien...they end up 'full of little red worms' that is good.

You could easily make one yourself..well not that easy..but not impossible

[Naam]

Very interesting to hear about fish ponds since I have installed 2 recently, nothing compared to Naam's fish lake though.

Just out of curiosity why was this posted in the "Jobs, economy, banking, business, investment in Thailand" forum. Not that it matters but is seems a strange place.

probably because you have to have Naams money to have a pond that size, so you go to this site to learn how to make enough for this pond... for the smaller ponds look in the pet section

for the record and clarification. the reason why i can spend so much money on koi ponds is because when we have a get-together most of the time Jimmy brings one, sometimes even two bottles of wine. the money i save on entertaining guests like Jimmy i spend on my pond

[Rimmer]

I like the comment by Laopo about "swimming pool for fish'

Rimmers pond! No bio filters, frogspawn, frogs, snakes, chemicals or concrete. Just a pond with over 1000 fish, weeds and water lilleys.

[Naam]

I like the comment by Laopo about "swimming pool for fish'

Rimmers pond! No bio filters, frogspawn, frogs, snakes, chemicals or concrete. Just a pond with over 1000 fish, weeds and water lilleys.

beautiful pond Rimmer. i envy you!

[Beardog]

I like the comment by Laopo about "swimming pool for fish'

Rimmers pond! No bio filters, frogspawn, frogs, snakes, chemicals or concrete. Just a pond with over 1000 fish, weeds and water lilleys.

That is one hel_l of a pond is that 3 nan to a Rai for the pond alone. Rimmer I wish my girl didn't see that photo..now she wants to build a 1/2 a Rai fishpond ourselves. By the way thanks for the Bosny concrete filler tip!

We live in Bang Sare just down the road a bit from you. I was wondering if you have much extra mosquitoes from the pond ? It looks sweeeeet!