Gusto Rumba

bangkokeddy · May 25, 2008

200cc, price about 68,000 3 year or 30,000km warranty.

AND you get a free 125cc scooter, worth about B25,000 (so maybe the bike is about 40,000 without the FREE option?)

Bike is bigger than the Tiger, looks the business in metallic grey paint.

HOWEVER it is JRD technology never mind, after 3 years it will make a nice garden ornament.

HDRIDER · May 25, 2008

HI

It will not last for 3 years, why do you think they give some of them away

PeaceBlondie · May 25, 2008

See geoffphuket's thread here http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/index.php?sh...p;#entry1998631 on his recent purchase of a Gusto Rumbo or Gastronomic Rhematoid, complete with a basket for the kitty-cat. It does not even appear to be JRD technology, but may have been designed by refugees from that East German minicar, or a 1972 Hodaka-Mongolian-Tibetan copy.

Richard-BKK · May 25, 2008

First we cannot compare Thai build Tiger motorcycles currently to most of the Chinese build motorcycles now entering the Thai market. The Chinese have overtaken the Laos and most neighboring countries of Thailand with cheap motorcycles, the difference is that Thai people know about performance and durability over the purchase price.

A Honda CBR-150R by purchase and 3 year service is a bit higher then buying a Tiger Boxer 200PX, bought this bike perform extremely well.

If we look at the performance of a so-called Rumba 200cc it is easy to say that the performance is less then a CBR-150 and surely not a competition for the Tiger Boxer 200cc. The Tiger Boxer is in the higher range still the King of fuel efficiency. On sporty performance the Honda CBR-150R comes first, followed close to the “all-round” Tiger Boxer 200.

If we only look at the looks from say 15 meters (plus), I have to give the Rumba 200cc a plus. But power performance and simple fuel consumption is out of control compared to any motorcycle in the Thai market today. I was thinking to write a review about the Rumba but serious it was way to negative to post on my own review website….. I like to keep a positive view… It was for me not possible to see a positive angle in this bike…

PeaceBlondie · May 25, 2008

Kudos to Richard-BKK for being an honest website motor-journalist. The Gutsy Rhomboid would have tested so poorly that an honest report might have been defamotory!

geoffphuket · May 26, 2008

I'm happy with mine.......NOW. And performance wise, it would leave a CBR150 standing Oop's now I'm in for it

geoffphuket

bangkokeddy · May 26, 2008

What's the fuel economy like? that's the only thing that would put me off. Is it a JRD engine or a different beast entirely? I heard the Gutsies are from Taiwan not China so maybe it's different rom the Platinum rubbish. Anyway, i am too tall for a CBR150 and I don't want to be mistaken for a corrupt policeman riding a Tiger.

geoffphuket · May 26, 2008

What's the fuel economy like? that's the only thing that would put me off. Is it a JRD engine or a different beast entirely? I heard the Gutsies are from Taiwan not China so maybe it's different rom the Platinum rubbish. Anyway, i am too tall for a CBR150 and I don't want to be mistaken for a corrupt policeman riding a Tiger.

Can't really advise on the fuel consumption yet...most of it leaked out of the carburettors on the first bike they supplied me with The bike is made from Taiwan/Chinese/Japanese components and assembled in Thailand. It is definitely NOT a Platinum or JRD machine. Overall the quality is really quit impressive, despite a few minor things that needed adjusting - but that's attributable to the 'monkey's that built it and not the machines fault !

geoffphuket · May 26, 2008

Also comes fitted with a free baby seat as standard.

ThunderDuck · May 26, 2008

Its a Jonway ... manufactured in China. I suspect you'll get excellent fuel economy as other

Chinese 200cc motors regularly achieve 75 - 100 mpg.

geoffphuket · May 26, 2008

Its a Jonway ... manufactured in China. I suspect you'll get excellent fuel economy as other
Chinese 200cc motors regularly achieve 75 - 100 mpg.

Hi Thunderduck. Where did you get that info? The brochure for mine says it's made in Taiwan and the various 'made in' stickers on the machine back this up.

ThunderDuck · May 27, 2008

Its a Jonway ... manufactured in China. I suspect you'll get excellent fuel economy as other
Chinese 200cc motors regularly achieve 75 - 100 mpg.

Hi Thunderduck. Where did you get that info? The brochure for mine says it's made in Taiwan and the various 'made in' stickers on the machine back this up.

Hi Geoff ... i would take those "made in taiwan" stickers with a pinch of salt ... if it actually were, you'd be paying 2 -3 times as much.

Ive been educating myself to the world of chinese bikes over the last couple of months, and there are a few that I would purchase in a heartbeat.

In terms of design and build quality things are really looking up ... the Jialing jh600 is a good example. Interestingly enough Ive seen no references

to a 200cc version of your bike so there is a chance its a 250 ... now that would be a bonus.

http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/ch...-motorcycle.htm

http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14

It would seem that this third? generation of Chinese bikes have bulletproof motors, but niggling problems can arise due to shoddy assembly at the

local dealer level, pre-delivery.

LivinLOS · May 27, 2008

WOW some of those designs in the second link really start to look like they are getting the hang of this..

With a drop in the sub 250 tax bracket here.. That 200 GY in motard trim.. or the XGT model..

I think the next few years will really shake up the low end models..

PeaceBlondie · May 27, 2008

I read a news report last year that the domestic Chinese market had literally hundreds of individual makes - maybe a thousand - but that the market was rapidly maturing into a smaller number of larger makers. Those photos are impressive. The Japanese and Koreans have shown it can be done on a global scale. I should have a little more respect for Gustibus Rhumbada.

HDRIDER · May 27, 2008

Hi

Guys, please tell me what vehicle coming out of China there has reliable, i am not sure about this you see

Richard-BKK · May 27, 2008

Hi
Guys, please tell me what vehicle coming out of China there has reliable, i am not sure about this you see

Major amount of Harley Davidson engine parts, then on the vehicle side VW, Audi, BMW which also produces motorcycles I belief. Anyway it is a quick selection, I not want to bend my head around it.

The idea that all things China are bad is so classic, if you know how much of your Harley is made in China, you probably will never touch it or will direct stop complaining about low quality from China. (You can select)

HDRIDER · May 27, 2008

Hi

I was not talking about part, i know that a lot of HD parts is from Taiwan, so i guess from China as well ( have not seen any yet with made in China) i was in 1 factory i Taiwan making HD parts, i asked them if i could buy some parts, they told me that guys from HD came with the tools for making it, and they took it with them when they left, don’t know if that’s true, but yes i know a lot of HD parts is from Asia.

I still say that China is not good to make something on 2 or 4 wheels, if they are,,,, why dont we see anything with a Chinese name? I have spend a lot of time in China, working there a lot, and have a lot of work done there, not much of this work has been any good, i could show you some photos you would not believe. BMW Audi MB Whatever, i am sure it’s under German management

PeaceBlondie · May 27, 2008

You see a lot of late-model, big Buick sedans in China, kind of like limousines. I suspect General Motors has a plant there. But then, GM American models were never known for top quality.

Richard-BKK · May 27, 2008

I never hear about a Taiwan company making Harley parts, for so far as I know are there a few mainland China manufacturers, with Zongshen Group the biggest.

And with Zongshen motorcycles is nothing wrong; wish I had one. Maybe I will try to get one next time I’m in China. Zongshen even has its own MotoGP racing team, okay not a top team but at least they finish, what I cannot say of many of the other teams.

HDRIDER · May 27, 2008

HI

Where can you buy a Zongshen in the West??

HDRIDER · May 27, 2008

Hi

I have never heard of Zongshen, never, i really like GP racing, so i could not understand i did not know them, well now i know (why i dont know them)

http://www.zongshenmotor.com/zongshen/www/en/top5/top5-1.jsp

bangkokeddy · May 27, 2008

Also comes fitted with a free baby seat as standard.

Nice photo Tank tray also good for carying a frisbee/pizza/can of paint or is it for putting your helmet when you are on the move and you need to take a call? I think I have gustoenteritis and so I'll check out the Rumba and test drive this weekend.

What's the top end like? Does it feel like it can do 130kph+ ? I don't think I'll be able to test the top end in the Bangkok traffic, but i want something that can keep up with the traffic on the highway, plus is comfortable to sit on. I think the plastics look like they need to be kept out of the sun though.

Richard-BKK · May 27, 2008

Maybe it is like this, when Zongshen started to make Harley engines they lost the technology to compete in the MotoGP. Lets face it, Harley or Buell without the marketing and the name is not much (I being modest). I know what I talk about I have a Sportster 1200...

My point is that not all products from China are bad..... If you not belief me.... Stop buying 60% of the products you now use......

MaiChai · May 27, 2008

Problem with this type of bike is getting spares. Not a problem if you only keep it for the warentee period, but not good if you consider the bike as a long term buy.

JRD just rebadges stuff from China.

Most Chinese bikes arrive in a crate; and there is an element of part assembly, which is why the customer ends up with a shoddy bike, since its assembled by the dealer. I would also say the QA is not necessarily there; the Japanese are tops on this (I have worked in Japan and they are obsessed with detail and perfection!; Chinese attitude is cheapest price and 'just good enough to do the job').

I think the trick with Chinese bikes is to buy something that uses a copy engine from a Japanese manufacturer; then spare parts are not a problem.

Chinese bikes are quite popular in the UK, and they seem to have addressed the parts issue; I mean you can get spares quite easily and at reasonable cost. However, I read horror stories about engine rebuilds within short periods of time, so maybe corners are cut in terms of engine build quality, and the cylinders are not quite in spec or made of suitably hardened steel? In the UK, people buy Chinese bikes because they are cheap, with the view that they won't last, and because they are so cheap, when it dies, just buy another one. This is different to the attitude with Japanese bikes; they are quality and designed to last; you just need to feed them spares that wear out (brake pads, etc).

I also read stories about the oil they ship in the Chinese engines; basically the cheapest they can get away with, and the general recommendation is to change the oil when you receive your bike.

Ask yourself this: would you buy a Thai made bike? Or should I rephrase this, would you buy a Japanese branded motorbike made in Thailand? The labour will be Thai but the QA and technology will be Japanese.

The wifes JRD Surf (wave 125 clone) has had two pistons and on the second one needed the cylinder skimming because JRD put the first piston in upside down (the IN marking should be on the carb side and not the exhaust side!!!), plus a cam chain each time; basically two engine rebuilds in the last three years. This bike was 30K baht while at the time the Honda Wave was 40k. I thought it was a good buy because it was a higher spec bike than the Honda, and it still has worked out cheaper, even with the repairs. However the inconvenience of the repairs has not been worth it, and I wonder how long the current engine build will last?

Lickey · May 27, 2008

Zongshen did run a team in 2006 moto gp 250s, and guess what, they were Aprillas,

http://www.motogp.com/en/Results+Statistic...6/POR/250cc/FP1 have a look at this site, click a Zongshen rider and it will give the years perfomance ect,

http://218.201.40.192/zongshen/www/en/top5/top5-1-4.jsp

are these factory results or riders total history results?

Rgds Lickey.

HDRIDER · May 27, 2008

Maybe it is like this, when Zongshen started to make Harley engines they lost the technology to compete in the MotoGP. Lets face it, Harley or Buell without the marketing and the name is not much (I being modest). I know what I talk about I have a Sportster 1200...
My point is that not all products from China are bad..... If you not belief me.... Stop buying 60% of the products you now use......

Richard

You dont get it, i am NOT talking about parts, i know for sure that everything we use today have some parts from China, just bought a pair of adidas shoes,,, made in China, one of my mobile phones,,, made in China, i was talking about something there can drive, so show me where you can buy a bike/car in the west made in China, and have a name as well. As you say you like them, why dont you have one then.

nikster · May 28, 2008

Hi Geoff ... i would take those "made in taiwan" stickers with a pinch of salt ... if it actually were, you'd be paying 2 -3 times as much.
....

http://news.motorbiker.org/blogs.nsf/dx/ch...-motorcycle.htm

http://www.mychinamoto.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14

It would seem that this third? generation of Chinese bikes have bulletproof motors, but niggling problems can arise due to shoddy assembly at the

local dealer level, pre-delivery.

Everything is made in China, including the "Made in Taiwan" stickers

Thanks for the links - shows that China certainly has the models in place to compete with the west. I meant motorcycle models of course.

A few of them look amazingly good - but on other websites it's pointed out that nearly all of them are clones of existing brand-name motorbikes from the west and Japan. Interesting stuff - certainly something to watch out for. But - as is mentioned in the link - the Chinese motorcycle industry is still in its infancy. I'll take a wait-and-see approach... Geoff I hope you let us know what happens to the Gusta Rumbo.

Here's the reason why I would never buy a JRD: A friend's model burst into flames. While he was driving it. He was able to stop and jump off but it's not something I really must experience...

Thanh-BKK · May 28, 2008

Here's the reason why I would never buy a JRD: A friend's model burst into flames. While he was driving it. He was able to stop and jump off but it's not something I really must experience...

Hi

THAT doesn't say much - i had that happen on my trusty Zuendapp KS 175. Which is the last "big bike" (above 80cc) which Zundapp produced and was at it's time more expensive than a Japanese 500cc bike - a reason why Zundapp went bankrupt because nobody could afford those "really high quality" bikes anymore.

Anyway i was 30 kilometers from home after a 200 kilometers trip and noticed my rpm gauge no longer working (it's electronic, not mechanical, connected to the light coil). As it was daylight i didn't check if the light itself still worked, just kept going. Noticed some burning smell after a couple of minutes, getting stronger - stopped, and the moment i got off the bike flames leapt from under the left side cover (which was steel, thanks god).

Total Electric Burnout. A wire had broken and got somehow in touch with another, shorting out the light coil. Bosch's bullet proof coil didn't mind that and kept supplying amps, which in turn got the shorting wires red-hot and finally up in flames. No fuses on that bike........

Luckily a bottle of water which i always had with my in the side box was enough to get the fire out (so half under the tank it wasn't really nice to look at!) and after it had cooled down i just ripped every available wire out, apart from the one feeding the ignition coil (which was almost undamaged by the fire) and was able to keep on driving all the way home, with no electrics apart from the ignition.

CHdiver · May 28, 2008

Maybe it is like this, when Zongshen started to make Harley engines they lost the technology to compete in the MotoGP. Lets face it, Harley or Buell without the marketing and the name is not much (I being modest). I know what I talk about I have a Sportster 1200...
My point is that not all products from China are bad..... If you not belief me.... Stop buying 60% of the products you now use......

Richard

You dont get it, i am NOT talking about parts, i know for sure that everything we use today have some parts from China, just bought a pair of adidas shoes,,, made in China, one of my mobile phones,,, made in China, i was talking about something there can drive, so show me where you can buy a bike/car in the west made in China, and have a name as well. As you say you like them, why dont you have one then.

You didn't ask me but I have a answer for you. Jiangling Landwind and other Cars are imported to the Nederlande and Germany. This link will give you some Information if you speak German. If not, they do not praise the quality.

Edited: Just found a english Information too

HDRIDER · May 28, 2008

THAT doesn't say much - i had that happen on my trusty Zuendapp KS 175. Which is the last "big bike" (above 80cc) which Zundapp produced and was at it's time more expensive than a Japanese 500cc bike - a reason why Zundapp went bankrupt because nobody could afford those "really high quality" bikes anymore.

Tahan, how many years ago was that???? don’t you think JRD should have come a long way since year????

(i had a KTM which i put a Zundap motor in, awesome)

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