President Bush To Visit Thailand

[pampal]

What about Americans disgraceful human rights record..

Any examples besides the American Indians?

Black slavery

The Tuskegee Project.

Guantanamo Bay.

Abu Ghraib

The Japensee concentration camps

Chinese coolie/slave labor to build to railroads

The highest per capita prison population of any large country in the western world

Death penalty

You left out the CIA rendition program

Iran and Afghanistan approx. 1.000.000 dead people and he got warned from everyone in Europe that exactly this will happen.

I think you meant Iraq and Afghanistan, but if crazy George has his way, it will be Iraq-Iran and Afghanistan.

Edited July 5, 2008 by pampal

[slackula]

Why can't he just stay home and survey the wreckage that his presidency has caused from the comfort of the White House for the remains of his term?

Buck Fush.

[dingdongrb]

What about Americans disgraceful human rights record..

Any examples besides the American Indians?

Black slavery

The Tuskegee Project.

Guantanamo Bay.

Abu Ghraib

The Japensee concentration camps

Chinese coolie/slave labor to build the railroads

The highest per capita prison population of any large country in the western world

Death penalty

I guess I showed my ignorance since I had to look up ‘The Tuskegee Project’ having never heard about it before. And you are exactly correct, the list you have provided are truly good arguments indicating some examples of Human Rights being violated by the USA.

I guess my undesired point is that everyone loves to bash the good ole USA. And for what reasons, perhaps jealousy? If you would look at the list you have created I am wondering how many countries have and still are exploiting Human Rights today. I am sure it’s not only the USA, but yet being the most powerful nation in the world we get all the bashing. No problem, we can take it, just as well as we give it out. That is, the USA contributes more to other nations than any single country. If it’s a natural disaster or just plain foreign aide, the good ole boys of red, white, and blue are usually there first and handing out the goodies.

Grant you, the USA is not perfect (maybe a reason why our prisons are so populated) but there is not a country that is. However I am proud of being from the USA and I’m glad that is where I am from.

Since your English appears to be slightly off, may I ask where are you so proud being from?

[papajohn]

What about Americans disgraceful human rights record..

Any examples besides the American Indians?

Black slavery

The Tuskegee Project.

Guantanamo Bay.

Abu Ghraib

The Japensee concentration camps

Chinese coolie/slave labor to build to railroads

The highest per capita prison population of any large country in the western world

Death penalty

You left out the CIA rendition program

Iran and Afghanistan approx. 1.000.000 dead people and he got warned from everyone in Europe that exactly this will happen.

" Crazy Member" just about sums it up, you have great insight.

[papajohn]

Why can't he just stay home and survey the wreckage that his presidency has caused from the comfort of the White House for the remains of his term?

Buck Fush.

I agree, He made the mistake of putting American troops on the ground in Iraq thinking it would help the Muslim population in Iraq . As we all know now there is no solution to Muslim hatred. Muslims have killed many more of their own Iraq Muslim peoples than anyone. America and its friends freed Iraq from a monster called Saddam and the future of his 2 mad sons. Now you have Muslims killing each other for control of the country. If nothing else the U.S. has exposed to the world that this is a Muslim problem.

As an American I am sad we have lost over 3500 of our brave boys in trying, as we always do, to help a country. Next time I can only hope that from the comfort of the White House the next president will not send in American troops and money and food, but send the cruise missles and the stealth bombers and the might of the American mean machine to anyone that attacks our country again. No Marshall Plan to help rebuild. You attack America again you suffer hel_l on earth. We can get along without you very well. Reality Folks.

[whatsoever]

Expect chaos at the airport - flights cancelled, huge delays etc. etc.

[pampal]

Why can't he just stay home and survey the wreckage that his presidency has caused from the comfort of the White House for the remains of his term?

Buck Fush.

I agree, He made the mistake of putting American troops on the ground in Iraq thinking it would help the Muslim population in Iraq . As we all know now there is no solution to Muslim hatred. Muslims have killed many more of their own Iraq Muslim peoples than anyone. America and its friends freed Iraq from a monster called Saddam and the future of his 2 mad sons. Now you have Muslims killing each other for control of the country. If nothing else the U.S. has exposed to the world that this is a Muslim problem.

As an American I am sad we have lost over 3500 of our brave boys in trying, as we always do, to help a country. Next time I can only hope that from the comfort of the White House the next president will not send in American troops and money and food, but send the cruise missles and the stealth bombers and the might of the American mean machine to anyone that attacks our country again. No Marshall Plan to help rebuild. You attack America again you suffer hel_l on earth. We can get along without you very well. Reality Folks.

When did Iraq or any other country attack the USA in the last 50 years?

The perpetrators of 9/11 were mostly Saudis and some Emiratis, both staunch US allies and neither has been attacked or even reprimanded by the US. Iraq played no role in that attack. So attacking the USA is not a pre-requisite for being attacked by the USA.

[pampal]

Why can't he just stay home and survey the wreckage that his presidency has caused from the comfort of the White House for the remains of his term?

Buck Fush.

I agree, He made the mistake of putting American troops on the ground in Iraq thinking it would help the Muslim population in Iraq . As we all know now there is no solution to Muslim hatred. Muslims have killed many more of their own Iraq Muslim peoples than anyone. America and its friends freed Iraq from a monster called Saddam and the future of his 2 mad sons. Now you have Muslims killing each other for control of the country. If nothing else the U.S. has exposed to the world that this is a Muslim problem.

As an American I am sad we have lost over 3500 of our brave boys in trying, as we always do, to help a country. Next time I can only hope that from the comfort of the White House the next president will not send in American troops and money and food, but send the cruise missles and the stealth bombers and the might of the American mean machine to anyone that attacks our country again. No Marshall Plan to help rebuild. You attack America again you suffer hel_l on earth. We can get along without you very well. Reality Folks.

Wow you are a piece of work. The Marshall Plan helped US Allies rebuild their countries after WWII, it was the primary plan of the United States for rebuilding and creating a stronger foundation for the allied countries of Europe, and repelling communism after World War II. It was not meant or disbursed to our enemies. Please study some history or at the minimum, use google before you write things. I am also from the USA and I hate for others to think that Americans are all ignorant about history, even our own.

Edited July 5, 2008 by pampal

[pampal]

I guess I showed my ignorance since I had to look up ‘The Tuskegee Project’ having never heard about it before. And you are exactly correct, the list you have provided are truly good arguments indicating some examples of Human Rights being violated by the USA.

I guess my undesired point is that everyone loves to bash the good ole USA. And for what reasons, perhaps jealousy? If you would look at the list you have created I am wondering how many countries have and still are exploiting Human Rights today. I am sure it’s not only the USA, but yet being the most powerful nation in the world we get all the bashing. No problem, we can take it, just as well as we give it out. That is, the USA contributes more to other nations than any single country. If it’s a natural disaster or just plain foreign aide, the good ole boys of red, white, and blue are usually there first and handing out the goodies.

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Like Hurricane Katrina where the mayor of New Orleans appealed for foreign aid, as there wasn't enough aid being given domestically.

[garro]

When you look back at human history it all seems inevitable somehow. If this hadn't of happened then that wouldn't have happened. If the World Wars hadn't occurred then we wouldn't be the people we are now. Maybe one day we will be able to look back and see where GWB fits into the grand scheme of things and be sort of thankful.

Edited July 5, 2008 by garro

[pampal]

When you look back at human history it all seems inevitable somehow. If this hadn't of happened then that wouldn't have happened. If the World Wars hadn't occurred then we wouldn't be the people we are now. Maybe one day we will be able to look back and see where GWB fits into the grand scheme of things and be sort of thankful.

I for one will be thankful when he leaves office, the USA is a great country that has afforded many ppl great opportunities, but in the last 8 years, Bush and his cronies have set the USA back at least 20 years. I will be glad when he's gone.

Edited July 5, 2008 by pampal

[dingdongrb]

When did Iraq or any other country attack the USA in the last 50 years?

The perpetrators of 9/11 were mostly Saudis and some Emiratis, both staunch US allies and neither has been attacked or even reprimanded by the US. Iraq played no role in that attack. So attacking the USA is not a pre-requisite for being attacked by the USA.

When did Hitler, or Vietnam, or North Korea ever attack the USA as far as that goes?

How do you know Iraq didn't have any role at all for the 911 attack, are you everywhere all the time? Or just know everything? I agree "attacking the USA is a not a pre-requisite for being attacked by the USA", as history has shown. I don't always agree with what our (USA) government does, however we have to live with it since it is a choosing of our Democracy. I personally don't like all the bashing that others give our country when their countries are probably a lot worse off than ours.

Yes, our country doesn't always make choices that will suit everyone all the time but then again whose does? I want to have belief that our country makes the decisions they do make to better mankind if not at least better America.

"Decisions and Choices are like Opinions"......and you do know what opinions are like, don't you?

[rono]

I thought the government only wanted quality visitors.

[pampal]

Dingdongrb

When did Hitler, or Vietnam, or North Korea ever attack the USA as far as that goes?

How do you know Iraq didn't have any role at all for the 911 attack, are you everywhere all the time? Or just know everything? I agree "attacking the USA is a not a pre-requisite for being attacked by the USA", as history has shown. I don't always agree with what our (USA) government does, however we have to live with it since it is a choosing of our Democracy. I personally don't like all the bashing that others give our country when their countries are probably a lot worse off than ours.

Yes, our country doesn't always make choices that will suit everyone all the time but then again whose does? I want to have belief that our country makes the decisions they do make to better mankind if not at least better America.

"Decisions and Choices are like Opinions"......and you do know what opinions are like, don't you?

Because there is no proof that Iraq was involved in the attack, I unlike you only speak of things that are proven by facts. Do you have any proof of Iraq's involvement in the attack? If there is no proof, then it's only conjecture and I don't delve on others beliefs, only facts. The majority of the US ppl were fooled into thinking that Iraq was involved in 9/11 and had WMD. Time has proven both to be wrong since no evidence of either was found. So fooling US citizens is not part of a democratic society, no matter what ppl like you think. Truth and upholding the tenets of democracy are what the US of A is about, not lying to it's citizens and starting wars with countries that cannot possibly pose a threat to the US. Bush has done a disservice to all Americans. And as far as you know, he is a patriot, but to real Americans he is not.

[garro]

I would say that in regards to America the truth is whatever Fox news says it is. Most Americans seem happy with this arrangement.

[pampal]

I thought the government only wanted quality visitors.

:D

[rono]

heard he is looking for flooded roads

[slackula]

Somebody should smack him across his snout with a rolled up copy of the constitution that he has been shitting on for the last 7.5 years.

And then rub his nose in it before shipping him off to Gitmo and waterboarding him for the rest of his miserable days. The man is a living caricature of the hypocrisy and failure that is the neocon agenda, as are his supporters here.

Anybody who purports to support Bush and yet is not queuing up to enlist the entire family in the military is a cowardly hypocrite who deserves zero respect.

Buck Fush.

[dingdongrb]

Because there is no proof that Iraq was involved in the attack, I unlike you only speak of things that are proven by facts. Do you have any proof of Iraq's involvement in the attack? If there is no proof, then it's only conjecture and I don't delve on others beliefs, only facts. The majority of the US ppl were fooled into thinking that Iraq was involved in 9/11 and had WMD. Time has proven both to be wrong since no evidence of either was found. So fooling US citizens is not part of a democratic society, no matter what ppl like you think. Truth and upholding the tenets of democracy are what the US of A is about, not lying to it's citizens and starting wars with countries that cannot possibly pose a threat to the US. Bush has done a disservice to all Americans. And as far as you know, he is a patriot, but to real Americans he is not.

I didn't say Iraq had a part in the 911 attack, did I? If so please point that out to me. And what facts do you have that they didn't? As one poster has stated, I believe that you are watching too much CNN and FOX news. I mentioned nothing about Iraq being directly involved in 911 or having WMD, or did I? I do believe that Saddam was an evil leader and did not treat his people properly. Was this enough for us to go to war with them? I would hope not, but then again why did we go to war with Vietnam, North Korea, and Germany? (Please answer since you seem to be so up on world history.) Hopefully by thinking that it would make the world a better place, but that may not always be the case.

And then when did I say somewhere that I thought Bush was a great leader and a true patriot? I suggest you go back and re-read my post but this time put down that Chang so that you can properly digest what I was saying.

Yes, you have a valid point about Katrina. It was a sad thing to see that happen within our own country and yet our government responded too late. But on the other hand, as I was trying to put across in my previous post, how many other countries came to the aid of the Katrina victims? That is my point……Unlike the recent cyclone that hit Burma, where we sent aid, correct?

My main reason for posting on this thread is that I resent all the USA bashing especially from other Americans. All countries, as I mentioned before, have problems. But it appears since the USA is the 'top dog' everyone is trying their best to topple us…. Good luck to all as it will be many years (and probably not in my life time) that this occurs.

[h90]

What about Americans disgraceful human rights record..

Any examples besides the American Indians?

Black slavery

The Tuskegee Project.

Guantanamo Bay.

Abu Ghraib

The Japensee concentration camps

Chinese coolie/slave labor to build to railroads

The highest per capita prison population of any large country in the western world

Death penalty

You left out the CIA rendition program

Iran and Afghanistan approx. 1.000.000 dead people and he got warned from everyone in Europe that exactly this will happen.

I think you meant Iraq and Afghanistan, but if crazy George has his way, it will be Iraq-Iran and Afghanistan.

yes Freud was it......

[NovaBlue05]

Why can't he just stay home and survey the wreckage that his presidency has caused from the comfort of the White House for the remains of his term?

Buck Fush.

It's his last opportunity for a sweet long haul flight on AF1.

hel_l...I wish I could afford business class

[h90]

What about Americans disgraceful human rights record..

Any examples besides the American Indians?

Black slavery

The Tuskegee Project.

Guantanamo Bay.

Abu Ghraib

The Japensee concentration camps

Chinese coolie/slave labor to build to railroads

The highest per capita prison population of any large country in the western world

Death penalty

You left out the CIA rendition program

Iran and Afghanistan approx. 1.000.000 dead people and he got warned from everyone in Europe that exactly this will happen.

" Crazy Member" just about sums it up, you have great insight.

you have great arguments....

[Scott]

Sadly, this is really turning into an American bashing thread--and not a particularly informative or relevant one.

Bush is a lame duck president, he's coming to Thailand because it absolutely doesn't matter what he says or does here. He can't really make a fool of himself in the presence of so many fools. There's nothing to be gained by his visit and virtually nothing to lose.

By the way world leaders don't land at Suvarnaphumi. They usually land at DM or at an airbase.

[NovaBlue05]

I would say that in regards to America the truth is whatever Fox news says it is. Most Americans seem happy with this arrangement.

I especially like the way they use porn actresses to broadcast news

[bulmercke]

Foreigners in Thailand obviously cannot protest against anything in Thailand.

Says who?

Uh, the Thai government when the Olympic torch came through threatening deportation of any foreigners protesting.

Yes - they meant it.

Whether here on a 15 or 30 day entry - non immigrant visa or permanent residency - if you protested the Olympic torch relay a few months back here - and were a foreigner - then you were looking at arrest - deportation - and black listing.

[PeaceBlondie]

Do you see why we cannot have a long discussion about politics on ThaiVisa, especially about the USA? Thanks for your contributions, including those which were ignorant. TOPIC LOCKED.