Police Fire Tear Gas At Protesters In Front Of Parliament

[thaigene2]

Just read that article and need to say if you start counting actions against each other, the government action are far mor in bad manner than the action from PAD.

But here we go: Some of the written facts are very untrue regarding actions of the PAD!

I also just read before an interesting comment on an Website:

This government now has an opportunity to post all the police who loved to kill women and children on October 7th to Preah Vihear and let us see how they can fight aqainst armed men who are the real enemies of Thailand.

David , Samut songkram

Cheers.

Thanks Reimar. Good to know where you stand. Any idea as to how long it will take to follow through on your promise to clean up all those posts where I was defamed?

Cheers.

[Guest Reimar]

Just read that article and need to say if you start counting actions against each other, the government action are far mor in bad manner than the action from PAD.

But here we go: Some of the written facts are very untrue regarding actions of the PAD!

I also just read before an interesting comment on an Website:

This government now has an opportunity to post all the police who loved to kill women and children on October 7th to Preah Vihear and let us see how they can fight aqainst armed men who are the real enemies of Thailand.

David , Samut songkram

Cheers.

Thanks Reimar. Good to know where you stand. Any idea as to how long it will take to follow through on your promise to clean up all those posts where I was defamed?

Cheers.

Didn't you get it?

I hate liar's and those who falsify news for their own use! And I mean that in general, not in personal!

Cheers.

[sjaak327]

Just read that article and need to say if you start counting actions against each other, the government action are far mor in bad manner than the action from PAD.

But here we go: Some of the written facts are very untrue regarding actions of the PAD!

I also just read before an interesting comment on an Website:

This government now has an opportunity to post all the police who loved to kill women and children on October 7th to Preah Vihear and let us see how they can fight aqainst armed men who are the real enemies of Thailand.

David , Samut songkram

Cheers.

I realize this is a quoted message form another website, apparently by one named david, It seems to me that david is taken by the heat of the moment, and I certainly hope there's not many people like david in Thailand. He certainly doesn't seem very bright. I'm not saying he shouldn't vote by the way

[animatic]

You can be a fair moderator and still have an opinion.

I just retired after being a online forum moderator for close to 5 years.

I had my opinions,

but ALWAYS scrupulously stayed even handed and rules oriented.

You need not have an opinion in the different voice.

As myself, I had one or two senior moderators moderate me,

but NOT in the sections of my responsability.

Of course SOME will always object to being moderated,

it is human nature to think ;

YOUR opinions are more correct than ALL others.

[blaze]

Just read that article and need to say if you start counting actions against each other, the government action are far mor in bad manner than the action from PAD.

But here we go: Some of the written facts are very untrue regarding actions of the PAD!

I also just read before an interesting comment on an Website:

This government now has an opportunity to post all the police who loved to kill women and children on October 7th to Preah Vihear and let us see how they can fight aqainst armed men who are the real enemies of Thailand.

David , Samut songkram

Cheers.

Thanks Reimar. Good to know where you stand. Any idea as to how long it will take to follow through on your promise to clean up all those posts where I was defamed?

Cheers.

Didn't you get it?

I hate liar's and those who falsify news for their own use! And I mean that in general, not in personal!

Cheers.

What do you mean 'falsify the news'- the 'news' isn't nescessarily the truth either. So that means that those who say Thaksin is paying the DAAD will be banned. Right? I don't think so. Or are YOU the final arbiter of what is fact and what is not?

This entire subforum relies on news clippings from people who are not exactly world class investigators. One of the roles of the members is to, as JDinasia has done, demand proof for statements made as fact which may or may not be fact.

Even Aniamatic implied that the dead cop was with the police force. Does that make him a 'liar'?

You 'hate liars'- TG's statement was wrong- he acknowledges that- but for you as a mod- to call him a 'liar' --- that's hard.

[animatic]

I MISTAKENLY implied that Lt Montree was on the 'riot controling' police

precisely because of the mis-information or disinformation being put out by some.

Specifically that a dead cop was from the attacking police side. Which wasn't so.

This point is the one JD has been asking for a denial of repeatedly.

Blaze Reimar did state it like this:

I hate liar's and those who falsify news for their own use!

And I mean that in general, not personal,

There are a few here, no name calling, who have been CLEARLY

telling lies repeatedly. I think we have good ideas who some of them are.

So Riemar can rightly say this..

He DID qualify it with the 'Not Personal' comment.

------------------------------------------------------

NO!

I doubt that Thaksin is personally sending wires or suitcases to DAAD.

He doesn't need to. It's like trickle down economics, it gets there like

toxic sludge off a slag heap's mountain side.

These guys just don't run in the same circles, now do they?

But you go two or three or four degrees up the PPP food chain,

and Dr. T's fingerprints start to leave a trail.

These people make no bones about it,

They are under his control and they publicly admit it.

[sriracha john]

People Power Party MP Pairoj Issaraseripong

Small explosion occurs at PPP MP's office

A small explosion occurred at the office of a Bangkok MP for the People Power Party Wednesday and he suspected it was politically motivated.

MP Pairoj Issaraseripong said he alerted police about the incident, adding that he suspected it was connected to the People's Alliance for Democracy.

"I understand that the PAD just want to tease me," he said, adding that he had received phone calls and faxes containing abusive words recently.

The MP said the campaign against him came after he got involved in an exchange with Bangkok Senator Rosana Tositrakul during a parliamentary meeting in which Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat made his government's policy statement.

- The Nation / 2008-10-16

[jdinasia]

Just read that article and need to say if you start counting actions against each other, the government action are far mor in bad manner than the action from PAD.

But here we go: Some of the written facts are very untrue regarding actions of the PAD!

I also just read before an interesting comment on an Website:

This government now has an opportunity to post all the police who loved to kill women and children on October 7th to Preah Vihear and let us see how they can fight aqainst armed men who are the real enemies of Thailand.

David , Samut songkram

Cheers.

Thanks Reimar. Good to know where you stand. Any idea as to how long it will take to follow through on your promise to clean up all those posts where I was defamed?

Cheers.

Didn't you get it?

I hate liar's and those who falsify news for their own use! And I mean that in general, not in personal!

Cheers.

What do you mean 'falsify the news'- the 'news' isn't nescessarily the truth either. So that means that those who say Thaksin is paying the DAAD will be banned. Right? I don't think so. Or are YOU the final arbiter of what is fact and what is not?

This entire subforum relies on news clippings from people who are not exactly world class investigators. One of the roles of the members is to, as JDinasia has done, demand proof for statements made as fact which may or may not be fact.

Even Aniamatic implied that the dead cop was with the police force. Does that make him a 'liar'?

You 'hate liars'- TG's statement was wrong- he acknowledges that- but for you as a mod- to call him a 'liar' --- that's hard.

Blaze, Reimar stated he was speaking in general (regarding people that misquote the news or news sources that are honestly not new) He did not call TG2 a liar.

I try and look at both the message AND the emotive context that it is put out there with. Ani made a mistake (and owned it) While TG2 repeated the same false claims over and over and never retracted them. ((he stepped back from one -- partly --- but left the rest hanging -- then went on to try and drag another thread down with the same garbage ((since cleaned up)))

If you can't discuss things like a grown-up then there is no hope, and for those that keep using emotional rhetoric because they have no facts to back up their assertions ... well ... it shows.

[Guest Reimar]

What do you mean 'falsify the news'- the 'news' isn't nescessarily the truth either. So that means that those who say Thaksin is paying the DAAD will be banned. Right? I don't think so. Or are YOU the final arbiter of what is fact and what is not?

Easy, falsify mean nothing but copy and paste text pp. from others and than change the wording so it get a different meaning!

Do you understand that?

Even Aniamatic implied that the dead cop was with the police force. Does that make him a 'liar'?

You 'hate liars'- TG's statement was wrong- he acknowledges that- but for you as a mod- to call him a 'liar' --- that's hard.

If you reread my post you should realize that I wrote:

And I mean that in general, not in personal!

Difficult to understand? I hadn't called anybody a liar right now but I'll if I've a prove!

Cheers.

[blaze]

I MISTAKENLY implied that Lt Montree was on the 'riot controling' police

precisely because of the mis-information or disinformation being put out by some.

Specifically that a dead cop was from the police side. Which wasn't so.

This point is the one JD has been asking for a denial of repeatedly.

Blaze he did out it like this

I hate liar's and those who falsify news for their own use!

And I mean that in general, not personal,

There are a few here, no name calling, who have been CLEARLY

telling lies repeatedly. I think we have good ideas who some of them are.

So Riemar can rightly say this..

He DID qualify it with the 'Not Personal' comment.

"They are under his control and they publicly admit it."

Prove it.

Or suffer the wrath of the Reimar!

You have made a statement of fact- CONTROL- not receptive to his recommendations- but CONTROL. And I trust you have been around long enough to know that NOBODY in this country is controlled- nobody with any power that is- they simply play ball - for as long as it suits them.

To what extent the government is playing ball with Thaksin- I'm really not sure. Nor are you.

Just kidding-

of course you can't prove that- but I agree- that's not like saying more people were killed in the defense of the Thai government (I would add, in the defence of the flawed constitution which defines specifically how regime change legally occurs- but I won't) than actually were. Still- unless I'm wrong- he stood corrected, did he not?

My point is that it is up to you- and me and jdinasia- and all the posters here to call Busllshit when nescessary- not the mods. Yes- on some subjects- they must by law pull in the reins- but otherwise- god- it's not like you guys are a minority on this board- - (one of those smiley faces here).

If every thing that was factually wrong was erased from this forum over the last few years- it would be a Short History of Thailand indeed.

As the Trinker used to say- 'nuff said=-

[blaze]

What do you mean 'falsify the news'- the 'news' isn't nescessarily the truth either. So that means that those who say Thaksin is paying the DAAD will be banned. Right? I don't think so. Or are YOU the final arbiter of what is fact and what is not?

Easy, falsify mean nothing but copy and paste text pp. from others and than change the wording so it get a different meaning!

Do you understand that?

Even Aniamatic implied that the dead cop was with the police force. Does that make him a 'liar'?

You 'hate liars'- TG's statement was wrong- he acknowledges that- but for you as a mod- to call him a 'liar' --- that's hard.

If you reread my post you should realize that I wrote:

And I mean that in general, not in personal!

Difficult to understand? I hadn't called anybody a liar right now but I'll if I've a prove!

Cheers.

No you won't . You will- I hope, call him wrong. Unless you can PROVE that he intentionally intended to mislead.

And as far as your statement 'in general but not personal' - I have no idea what that means. You mean you hate liars as a species but not the individual members of the species- I don't know what that means.

Did someone copy and paste and then change the wording to suit their own agenda? If so- I'm 100 percent with you- assuming that they weren't trying to do one of those fancy things that some of the more computer literate do- by changing the font or the color to be ... cute or something.

Anyway- you are the mod- you do what you do. I am the guy out there- I do what I do.

as JDinasia would say- let's

move on

[jdinasia]

Why are you using my name in each post when not speaking to me?

anyways ... discussion of moderation etc etc etc ...

it is well past my bedtime .... and tomorrow may be an ugly news day!

[sriracha john]

Samak will join DAAD rally

Former prime minister Samak Sundaravej has agreed to speak at the Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship rally on November 1, People Power Party MP Jatuporn Promphan said yesterday.

=================================================================

I suppose it is worth noting that there is a question as to Samak, with his ongoing health concerns, is even healthy enough to attend the Constitution Court proceedings on the dissolution of his People Power Party,

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/findpost-p2274982.html

but it's encouraging to hear he is healthy enough to attend a political rally.

Samak expected to attend UDD assembly

Former PM Samak Sundaravej is expected to attend the second assembly of government supporters, the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD), at Rajamangala stadium on Nov 1.

================================================================

That's positive news from Jatuporn about Samak being discharged. That means he will be healthy enough to attend the Constitution Court proceedings on the dissolution of his People Power Party and won't have to send a representative to testify.

Samak may not be fit for attending pro-government rally

Government Spokesman Natthawut Saikua said Wednesday that former PM Samak may not be strong enough to attend the mobile Today's Truth talk show at the National Stadium on November 1.

I guess we're back to Samak sending a representative to testify for him at his People Power Party dissolution case, afterall...

Doctors forbid Samak UDD meeting visit

Former PM Samak was prohibited by doctors from joining the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) gathering at Rajamangala stadium on Nov 1, said Government Spokesman Nattawut Saikua. Nattawut said Samak called him yesterday to say that the doctors who are treating him do not want him to attend. Earlier, Nattawut said Samak would be there. The doctors told Samak he must be in hospital for at least one or two weeks before doctors decide whether to discharge him. Samak is being treated at a hospital amid rumours that he has liver cancer. He was admitted on Oct 2. The hospital refuses to disclose the nature of his

Continued here:

http://www.bangkokpost.com/161008_News/16Oct2008_news09.php

[sriracha john]

What part of

5) Discussion of moderation issues, actions or moderation policies concerning individual cases are not allowed in the forums. Such comments should be directed to a moderator or administrator, and not discussed on the forum.

is so difficult for some people to understand?

[Guest Reimar]

If someone didn't had read, please do so now:

I think it's time to make something very clear:

1. Thaivisa welcomes all opinions as long as they stay to the forum rules which also includes that the presentation of that opinions are in a normal civil manner and polite.

Claim's: ""ASTV propaganda and stories only allowed any other media is banned and not allowed to be discussed."" are simply not true and you can find out very easy that other news are presented as well.

Thaivisa didn't run any propaganda or something like that. But even the Admin's and Moderators's of Thaivisa are free to post as any other member, include you.

2. Personal attacks are NOT welcomed, nor they be tolerated, which includes claims mentioned above as well.

I strongly suggest that you stop all kind of flaming, attacking and abusing which will be not more tolerated from now. If you not clear, you can reread the forum rules at any time or contact support at thaivisa.com.

Cheers.

[Ricardo]

People Power Party MP Pairoj Issaraseripong

Small explosion occurs at PPP MP's office

A small explosion occurred at the office of a Bangkok MP for the People Power Party Wednesday and he suspected it was politically motivated.

MP Pairoj Issaraseripong said he alerted police about the incident, adding that he suspected it was connected to the People's Alliance for Democracy.

"I understand that the PAD just want to tease me," he said, adding that he had received phone calls and faxes containing abusive words recently.

The MP said the campaign against him came after he got involved in an exchange with Bangkok Senator Rosana Tositrakul during a parliamentary meeting in which Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat made his government's policy statement.

- The Nation / 2008-10-16

Who presumably will swiftly conclude, that the explosion was caused, by a home-made pipe-bomb in the MP's pocket ? Levity aside ... one hopes that nobody was injured.

[hammered]

I see there is lots of debate on what is real, false etc. Just my take but this is a vicious and deadly political battle between some real heavyweights including some very nasty people on both sides. Part of this is a propoganda war and both sides will use all the misinformation, disinformation, lies and occasionally truth oh plus all kinds of spin and meme creation. This includes what is in the media - media has owners and agreed editorial lines. It also includes what journos write or photograph as everyone has a bias and also can only be in one place at one time.

For us to know the truth is virtually impossile unfortunately but if we try to look at reports from all sides and give all fair consideration we may be able to come to a less flawed analysis/decison than if we just go with our favorites as then we become just believers in a cause.

[animatic]

I MISTAKENLY implied that Lt Montree was on the 'riot controling' police

precisely because of the mis-information or disinformation being put out by some.

Specifically that a dead cop was from the police side. Which wasn't so.

This point is the one JD has been asking for a denial of repeatedly.

Blaze he did out it like this

I hate liar's and those who falsify news for their own use!

And I mean that in general, not personal,

There are a few here, no name calling, who have been CLEARLY

telling lies repeatedly. I think we have good ideas who some of them are.

So Riemar can rightly say this..

He DID qualify it with the 'Not Personal' comment.

"They are under his control and they publicly admit it."

Prove it.

Or suffer the wrath of the Reimar!

You have made a statement of fact- CONTROL- not receptive to his recommendations- but CONTROL. And I trust you have been around long enough to know that NOBODY in this country is controlled- nobody with any power that is- they simply play ball - for as long as it suits them.

To what extent the government is playing ball with Thaksin- I'm really not sure. Nor are you.

Just kidding-

of course you can't prove that- but I agree- that's not like saying more people were killed in the defense of the Thai government (I would add, in the defence of the flawed constitution which defines specifically how regime change legally occurs- but I won't) than actually were. Still- unless I'm wrong- he stood corrected, did he not?

My point is that it is up to you- and me and jdinasia- and all the posters here to call Busllshit when nescessary- not the mods. Yes- on some subjects- they must by law pull in the reins- but otherwise- god- it's not like you guys are a minority on this board- - (one of those smiley faces here).

If every thing that was factually wrong was erased from this forum over the last few years- it would be a Short History of Thailand indeed.

As the Trinker used to say- 'nuff said=-

One need only go to the most recent court filing about the PPP dissoloution.

They say it is so many words.

I will not be guilty of flaming.

So I will not list the people here that I believe have

purposely told lies or disinformation to support an agenda.

As opposed to the many more who just hold positions contrary to observable conditions,

or of philosophical positions from absolutist points of view, not considering real politc conditions..

[frodo]

I see there is lots of debate on what is real, false etc. Just my take but this is a vicious and deadly political battle between some real heavyweights including some very nasty people on both sides. Part of this is a propoganda war and both sides will use all the misinformation, disinformation, lies and occasionally truth oh plus all kinds of spin and meme creation. This includes what is in the media - media has owners and agreed editorial lines. It also includes what journos write or photograph as everyone has a bias and also can only be in one place at one time.

For us to know the truth is virtually impossile unfortunately but if we try to look at reports from all sides and give all fair consideration we may be able to come to a less flawed analysis/decison than if we just go with our favorites as then we become just believers in a cause.

I could not agree more, hammered. Well said. Thanks.

[animatic]

And so few listen to the others.

The keys tap many times,

but do the the words resonate not

in the quintessence of hardened purveyors

of fusty incantations from epochs's found devoid,

larded amidst lupine animus and amaranthine misanthropy.

Nevertheless typing abides, etude abides, for a transient nonce.

Same same forever more...

[Samuian]

I see there is lots of debate on what is real, false etc. Just my take but this is a vicious and deadly political battle between some real heavyweights including some very nasty people on both sides. Part of this is a propoganda war and both sides will use all the misinformation, disinformation, lies and occasionally truth oh plus all kinds of spin and meme creation. ....edit....

I am not quite sure if one can generalize this problem as far as this.

This all can still clearly be reduced to 2 opposing powers, even it has taken several attempts to cover up the obvious, PAD vs. the Taksin Nominee Government!

Anand, in the aftermath of the Tuesday disaster, made a step forward, after Ms. Porntip, the countries foremost forensic expert, simply stated what many have been anticipating already.

And it doesn't stop at only those two, there are heaps of people in this country who most simply hold back, right or false, it is the "Thai way".

But they will support the better cause and where this lies, as of today, is all too obvious!

Here things will always require much more time, then we restless foreigners are willing to grant!

Things are moving behind the scenes, the parties are going to be dissolved, maybe soon the PM will have to take his hat and in due course he may or may not dissolve Parliament, things are going it's way and yes many, many will try to divert the flow... it has always been in Thai Politics, but since the reign of the mighty Overlord of the Shin-Universe, things have been turned to new horizons - since politics were simply reduced to open business affairs, now nobody cares any more, everyone is simply too busy to secure his claim at the trough!

Do not forget that there are still the MEGA-Projects to be released and signed and the budget for it to be located, few if any may really still care about the "man in London", see the renegade faction of Newin.

This is another fact, if nothing much can be achieved and things go wrong many tend to turn the other way and will try to secure only their interests, nothing else matters much any more, what, after all, can still be done for the "Man in London"?

He will keep pushing, try not to lose his grip on the strings, but the more time passes, the willingness to dance after the notes he strikes, will decrease, slowly but sure....that is one of the mans biggest problems and this countries too, because he will have to keep stirring, to keep his grip!

And he can be quite inventive, let's see... what he near future will hold in store!

[Guest Reimar]

FROM TOC

Pipob: PAD to Rely on VDO Evidence of Oct 7th to File Charges against Govt

UPDATE : 16 October 2008

Pipob Thongchai, a key People's Alliance for Democracy leader, reveals the names of the government’s October 7th committee have been changed to benefit the premier. He added that the PAD will rely on raw VDO clip footage of the Black Tuesday incidents to file charges against the government with the court.

Last night PAD leader Pipob Thongchai took the PAD stage and spoke at length about the incidents that took place on October 7th. He said the government and the police are currently collecting evidence and interviewing witnesses about the teargas attacks last week. But Pipob claimed that the authorities are currently attempting to shift the blame to former Deputy Prime Minister General Chavalit Yongchaiyudh.

Police will also claim that they were unaware the teargas which were used against the protesters were of weapon-grade and are potentially fatal.

The government has set up two separate committees to investigate the cause of the violence that broke out and to rehabilitate those who have been injured.

Pipob questioned the independence of the investigative committee headed by Preecha Panichwong, a former vice president of the Supreme Court.

Preecha was initially given the power to recommend members to be appointed to the committee. But the PAD leader alleged that the names of at least two members of the committee, who were recommended by Preecha, were rejected by the government. Consequently the freedom and integrity of the committee has been questioned by the PAD.

Instead of relying on the committee, the PAD will rely on the evidence it has collected and file separate charges to the courts, the National Human Rights Commission, the National Counter Corruption Commission and the Opposition’s investigative committee.

Currently the PAD is collecting both graphic and VDO evidence from various sources. The materials will later be submitted as evidence to the court. Charges will most likely be filed against the premier and any Cabinet ministers who were involved in authorizing the crackdown.

With regards to former PM Thaksin Shinawatra’s bid to seek political asylum in the U.K., Pipob said the U.K. PAD will present the British authorities with evidence against allowing Thaksin to seek refuge in the country. He also requested the U.K. PAD to examine if Thaksin’s sale of the Manchester City Football Club was more than a simple business transaction. The PAD leader believes the sale could in fact be an attempt to launder money.

[JetsetBkk]

...Your next two questions begger belief. I used to teach English and I have some easy reader books I used to give to children. I can send you a couple and when you've finished them you can perhaps progress to the newspapers

This is why people get banned, by hurling insults like the highlighted above.

Someone disagrees with you and you say; they are not smart enough to read a newspaper...

A clear flame.....

Yes, terrible to try make a joke out of someone's inability to comprehend the English language.

And this one?

Oh, I see Thaigene was here again. I seriosly suspect that he posts only when he is hopelessly drunk, yesterday was Monday, though.....

Oh, my bad. The above is clearly not insulting - it's from a PAD supporter.

[JetsetBkk]

What then children are the lessons to be learnt from this thread particularly recent posts?

1.This forum cannot provide a grown up place for discussion on Thai politics because of the rules.I'm not complaining and some great contributions are made from various points of view.But ultimately it cannot make very much sense because of what is off limits.We accept it but the obvious needs stating sometimes.For an adult discussion one has to look elsewhere....

I thought I'd try and catch up with what's been posted in this thread over the last two days and came across the above excellent comment. Nicely put, YH. Nothing more to be said.

[clausewitz]

What part of

5) Discussion of moderation issues, actions or moderation policies concerning individual cases are not allowed in the forums. Such comments should be directed to a moderator or administrator, and not discussed on the forum.

is so difficult for some people to understand?

Didn't you post a whole series of posts directed to me last week suggesting I broke a forum rule - impying the mods were not doing their job. And the issue was that I posted a comment from a newsreporter on a blog - which you said was against forum rules. Just wondering what you think of Reimar(a MOderator) posting a comment from another forum today? (Oh I forgot- you agree with that because it supports PAd-

Does hypocrisy have any limit?

[Guest Reimar]

What part of

5) Discussion of moderation issues, actions or moderation policies concerning individual cases are not allowed in the forums. Such comments should be directed to a moderator or administrator, and not discussed on the forum.

is so difficult for some people to understand?

Didn't you post a whole series of posts directed to me last week suggesting I broke a forum rule - impying the mods were not doing their job. And the issue was that I posted a comment from a newsreporter on a blog - which you said was against forum rules. Just wondering what you think of Reimar(a MOderator) posting a comment from another forum today? (Oh I forgot- you agree with that because it supports PAd-

Does hypocrisy have any limit?

clausewitz:

To be very clear: I did NOT post from any other forum! Don't bring something out which you can't prove!

[clausewitz]

What part of

5) Discussion of moderation issues, actions or moderation policies concerning individual cases are not allowed in the forums. Such comments should be directed to a moderator or administrator, and not discussed on the forum.

is so difficult for some people to understand?

Didn't you post a whole series of posts directed to me last week suggesting I broke a forum rule - impying the mods were not doing their job. And the issue was that I posted a comment from a newsreporter on a blog - which you said was against forum rules. Just wondering what you think of Reimar(a MOderator) posting a comment from another forum today? (Oh I forgot- you agree with that because it supports PAd-

Does hypocrisy have any limit?

clausewitz:

To be very clear: I did NOT post from any other forum! Don't bring something out which you can't prove!

Sorry

I meant blog

[Guest Reimar]

Sorry

I meant blog

Wrong again: even NOT a blog. As I wrote, a comment from some website! If I copy from some Blog or Forum, I'll place the link to that. That isn't a need if post a readers comment, according to intl. copyright.

Cheers.

[jdinasia]

Topic?

[animatic]

Certianly it was, but technically qualified, like in a newspaper with "seriously suspect".

So it actual is only potentially insulting supposition, and not put forward as fact.

But I remember what it was responding to was none to nice either.

Two wrongs don't etc....

Well It got argued out, and I thought it was erased.

Continuously attempting to play the hypocracy card wins no converts.

Comes across as more sour grapes than anything else.

How bout back on topic,

or are the no facts or theories to debate anymore?

Has the SUDDEN war on the border erased all Oct 7th contentions?