Police Fire Tear Gas At Protesters In Front Of Parliament

[jumnien]

So who's gonna be responsible for all the maimed and the dead?

Well, Sondhi L. and General C. for starters and a whole lot of naive followers.

[jasreeve17]

Breaking News:

Chavalit resigns as deputy prime minister

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Chavalit-Res...ni-t216407.html

Please slow down the news from happening... it was difficult enough to keep up with this thread...

Can't say that I blame him! Who would want to be in a government that isn't preapproved by the PAD thugs.

This offensive was classic Chavalit, take a look at his history! Now he resigns, IMHO he should stay on and drive the mongrel PAD back to Sanam Luang which they can have, but Gov House and the Parliment are NOT the places they should be allowed to occupy.

We don't want them down here (Sanam Luang), its been very peacful and pleasant without them thank you very much. Best to keep all the mob sorts over the other side of Bangkok, well away from my good self and the Mrs (she'd be out confronting them with gusto [being one of the majority of Thais who consistently voted for Mr T because it was the only time her and her family's life was improved by a Thai government]).

I agree with the comments that it's a big shame that decent Thais are dragged into this mess (again) by the same select group that have been fighting with / against / with / against / with / against each other since the seventies, for their own personal gains with little or no regard for Thailand, its people, etc.

Edited October 7, 2008 by jasreeve17

[Mobi]

PAD issues an ultimatum for House dissolution

People's Alliance for Democracy leader Sondhi Limthongkul has demanded for House dissolution by 6.00 pm.

Sondhi threatens to intensify the protests if Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat refuses to relinquish power.

He also calls on protesters to trap Somchai inside Parliament. But it has been confirmed that PM's aides successfully sneaked Somchai out of Parliament although there was no details how he got passed the locked gate.

The Nation

"I think there's trouble.. ahead"

[Samuian]

PAD issues an ultimatum for House dissolution

People's Alliance for Democracy leader Sondhi Limthongkul has demanded for House dissolution by 6.00 pm.

Sondhi threatens to intensify the protests if Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat refuses to relinquish power.

He also calls on protesters to trap Somchai inside Parliament. But it has been confirmed that PM's aides successfully sneaked Somchai out of Parliament although there was no details how he got passed the locked gate.

The Nation

"I think there's trouble.. ahead"

The PM jumped the fence and ran off....

Hope fully he doesn't get stuck in traffic on his way to suvannabhum!

[k1w1]

This is still a demonstration.

At no point have the PAD gone on attack without being first provoked or attacked. At no point have PAD used anything other than defensive weapons or maneuvers.

Until the PAD start using offensive tactics and weapons they are simply demonstrating and protecting their right to do so.

And please feel free to make oh so witty and offensive comments about the use of offensive above. If that's the best that you can come up with for justifying unnecessary and violence provoking actions by the Police and the PPP cronies then I will not be surprised. Trolling will just make your position weaker than it already is.

[ThNiner]

We don't want them down here (Sanam Luang), its been very peacful and pleasant without them thank you very much. Best to keep all the mob sorts over the other side of Bangkok, well away from my good self and the Mrs (she'd be out confronting them with gusto [being one of the majority of Thais who consistently voted for Mr T because it was the only time her and her families life was improved by a Thai government]).

I agree with the comments that it's a big shame that decent Thais are dragged into this mess (again) by the same select group that have been fighting with / against / with / against / with / against each other since the seventies, for their own personal gains with little or no regard for Thailand, its people, etc.

Can't bother to respond in detail, but that was a real joke. It does say a lot about how shortsighted and ill-informed you, your wife and the whole family are though.

Edited October 7, 2008 by ThNiner

[jumnien]

Well, Sondhi L. got what he wanted and more! Injured protester, dead policemen and soon the smell of diesel tanks arriving on the scene! At least someone is happy!

[rainman]

Perhaps a solution to the problem is to give the protesters a job, then they wouldn't be able to sit on the streets all day and night, if they had to wake up at 6am to go to work.

[dyertribe]

This is still a demonstration.

At no point have the PAD gone on attack without being first provoked or attacked. At no point have PAD used anything other than defensive weapons or maneuvers.

Until the PAD start using offensive tactics and weapons they are simply demonstrating and protecting their right to do so.

And please feel free to make oh so witty and offensive comments about the use of offensive above. If that's the best that you can come up with for justifying unnecessary and violence provoking actions by the Police and the PPP cronies then I will not be surprised. Trolling will just make your position weaker than it already is.

No wit, no offense, no agenda ... but didn't the PAD take back the gates of parliment from the Police (don't they represent the law?) with clubs and stakes? Is not one policeman dead, is not another in critical condition.

Take sides with PAD if you must, but at least acknowledge that they are a violent mob.

[hammered]

PAD issues an ultimatum for House dissolution

People's Alliance for Democracy leader Sondhi Limthongkul has demanded for House dissolution by 6.00 pm.

Sondhi threatens to intensify the protests if Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat refuses to relinquish power.

He also calls on protesters to trap Somchai inside Parliament. But it has been confirmed that PM's aides successfully sneaked Somchai out of Parliament although there was no details how he got passed the locked gate.

The Nation

"I think there's trouble.. ahead"

The PM jumped the fence and ran off....

Hope fully he doesn't get stuck in traffic on his way to suvannabhum!

It is embarrasing for the PM to have to climb a wall and exit viaa property of the Royal Household. Interestingly the (10?) other PPP MPs with him were refused permission to cross the private property.

[jayjayjayjay]

Perhaps a solution to the problem is to give the protesters a job, then they wouldn't be able to sit on the streets all day and night, if they had to wake up at 6am to go to work.

Why work when your under a social welfare scheme aka Manager Newspaper Co.,Ltd

Edited October 7, 2008 by jayjayjayjay

[ThNiner]

One of my aunts got paid during the election, was bused to a polling place, got some loans through some TRT's schemes, and of course got the 30-Baht health care...but she apparently understands that the amount of losses the country has suffered through TRT's corruption has far outweighted whatever little she was given by them. Sad that many aren't like my aunt.

[bulmercke]

This is still a demonstration.

At no point have the PAD gone on attack without being first provoked or attacked. At no point have PAD used anything other than defensive weapons or maneuvers.

Until the PAD start using offensive tactics and weapons they are simply demonstrating and protecting their right to do so.

And please feel free to make oh so witty and offensive comments about the use of offensive above. If that's the best that you can come up with for justifying unnecessary and violence provoking actions by the Police and the PPP cronies then I will not be surprised. Trolling will just make your position weaker than it already is.

Seconded

[Plus]

House dissolution is now imminent, that would cool the situation quite a bit.

The worst case scenario is PPP trying to run the government in exile at the old airport and parliament switching locations to avoid being blocked, Democrats won't play these silly games, and PPP would have a hard time convincing coalition members to play along.

Newin would love to get back at Yawapa, too.

Basically, the goverment should admit that they have lost control of the country and stop aggravating the situation by trying to cling to power they don't have.

Does anyone still believe that the situation could be solved via "legitimate means", ie. the parliament? Today's events is a final nail in the coffin of that naive idea. Dissolving the parliament and fresh elections is the last legitimate exit strategy.

[jayjayjayjay]

PAD issues an ultimatum for House dissolution

People's Alliance for Democracy leader Sondhi Limthongkul has demanded for House dissolution by 6.00 pm.

Sondhi threatens to intensify the protests if Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat refuses to relinquish power.

He also calls on protesters to trap Somchai inside Parliament. But it has been confirmed that PM's aides successfully sneaked Somchai out of Parliament although there was no details how he got passed the locked gate.

The Nation

"I think there's trouble.. ahead"

The PM jumped the fence and ran off....

Hope fully he doesn't get stuck in traffic on his way to suvannabhum!

It is embarrasing for the PM to have to climb a wall and exit viaa property of the Royal Household. Interestingly the (10?) other PPP MPs with him were refused permission to cross the private property.

It is embarrising that the normally considerate and non-confrontational Thai nature is torn apart by an unruley mob such that his happens.

[geovalin]

This is still a demonstration.

At no point have the PAD gone on attack without being first provoked or attacked. At no point have PAD used anything other than defensive weapons or maneuvers.

Until the PAD start using offensive tactics and weapons they are simply demonstrating and protecting their right to do so.

And please feel free to make oh so witty and offensive comments about the use of offensive above. If that's the best that you can come up with for justifying unnecessary and violence provoking actions by the Police and the PPP cronies then I will not be surprised. Trolling will just make your position weaker than it already is.

There something you cannot understand, it's that TO INVADE THE HOUSE OF THE GVT and the PARLIAMENT IS A SEVERE VIOLENCE against a country and its population.

[ThNiner]

I think it has to be mentioned that before all this happened, the PAD was staging the protest PEACEFULLY outside the Parliament.

[Roadman]

This is still a demonstration.

At no point have the PAD gone on attack without being first provoked or attacked. At no point have PAD used anything other than defensive weapons or maneuvers.

Until the PAD start using offensive tactics and weapons they are simply demonstrating and protecting their right to do so.

And please feel free to make oh so witty and offensive comments about the use of offensive above. If that's the best that you can come up with for justifying unnecessary and violence provoking actions by the Police and the PPP cronies then I will not be surprised. Trolling will just make your position weaker than it already is.

No wit, no offense, no agenda ... but didn't the PAD take back the gates of parliment from the Police (don't they represent the law?) with clubs and stakes? Is not one policeman dead, is not another in critical condition.

Take sides with PAD if you must, but at least acknowledge that they are a violent mob.

Seconded

[jasreeve17]

We don't want them down here (Sanam Luang), its been very peacful and pleasant without them thank you very much. Best to keep all the mob sorts over the other side of Bangkok, well away from my good self and the Mrs (she'd be out confronting them with gusto [being one of the majority of Thais who consistently voted for Mr T because it was the only time her and her families life was improved by a Thai government]).

I agree with the comments that it's a big shame that decent Thais are dragged into this mess (again) by the same select group that have been fighting with / against / with / against / with / against each other since the seventies, for their own personal gains with little or no regard for Thailand, its people, etc.

Can't bother to respond in detail, but that was a real joke. It does say a lot about how shortsighted and ill-informed you, your wife and the whole family are though.

Not my opinions or views, I hate corruption and Mr T, but I thought it worth repeating the views of the majority of Thais - not a small percentage that live in Bangkok. If a decent democratic process was allowed to start (not allowed by the PAD, Dems or PPP currently) then perhaps the country as a whole could, in time, benefit.

The reality is that if the country went to the ballot box today and Mr T was a candidate, he would very likely win with a huge majority. I'd never vote for such a chap myself, but I'm not Thai and don't get a vote - the truth is the majority of Thais like him, a lot, which I suppose is why his opponents (PAD / Dems) don't want average Thais to have a vote, or when they do cast their votes, and a fair result is achieved, try to bring out mobs to bring down an elected government.

To end; childish 'smart alec' remarks such as yours are indicative of the ignorant and blinkered attitude that allows the puppeters to so easily maintain their hold on Thai politics. Sad.

[jayjayjayjay]

House dissolution is now imminent, that would cool the situation quite a bit.

The worst case scenario is PPP trying to run the government in exile at the old airport and parliament switching locations to avoid being blocked, Democrats won't play these silly games, and PPP would have a hard time convincing coalition members to play along.

Newin would love to get back at Yawapa, too.

Basically, the goverment should admit that they have lost control of the country and stop aggravating the situation by trying to cling to power they don't have.

Does anyone still believe that the situation could be solved via "legitimate means", ie. the parliament? Today's events is a final nail in the coffin of that naive idea. Dissolving the parliament and fresh elections is the last legitimate exit strategy.

Does not have to be solved, this all started with an illegal coup de tat 2 yrs ago. This was the likely scenario. I hope the gov keep it up and push Sonthi L Company Limited in to corner they cant excape from...

[Samuian]

Is not one policeman dead, is not another in critical condition.

Policeman critically injured in a clash with PAD

Pol Sgt Maj Taweep Klanniam and another policeman were pierced by sharp iron bars during police clash with People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) protesters.

The clash took place at around 1 pm.

The two policemen were rushed to the Phramongkutklao Hospital, which now declares that both are already in safe conditions.

The Nation

[TAWP]

Thailand's best expert weighs in with her professional opinion...

Associated Press

Khunying Pornthip assures that lost leg was not caused by tear gas

Khunying Pornthip Rojanasunand, a respected forensic scientist, has affirmed the loss of a leg during this morning's police clash with protesters was not the result of tear gas usage.

Director of the Central Institute of Forensic Science Khunying Pornthip stated that many injuries were sustained during this morning's clash between police and People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) protesters at the Parliament building, including one case that required the amputation of a leg.

Khunying Pornthip, however, remarked that she has not been able to examine the incident as it is still in the hands of police but assured that from her observations of the news photos, the lost leg could not have been the result of tear gas usage. She stated that the injury could have only been sustained from a much more powerful explosive.

The CIFS Director stated that she will have to wait until the situation has calmed to decide whether or not to return a request from the PAD to investigate the incident.

She stated however that she is confident forensic medical workers assigned to the event will be able to sufficiently deal with the case.

Khunying Pornthip said that she would have to receive approval from the Ministry of Justice before taking part in the investigation.

The CIFS Director said that detailed photograph evidence should be collected for the time being if she is to review the matter later. She also commented that such police dispersal tactics do not usually result in injuries of this magnitude.

- ThaiNews / 2008-10-07

I doubt that the Ministry of Justice let her official check it.

It's a real shame they didn't apply TAWP's vertical leg and pressure application techniques to stop the bleeding. Might have saved the leg!

Listen, I realize you are a freaking troll that for some reason has been given a free pass to post your trite verbal vomiting on this forum, but if you notice the black cloth tied around the upper part of this thigh you would notice that they already applied this technique. But it is for stopping of bleeding, not for saving legs. Which you would have no idea about.

I cannot for the life of me understand why moderators seem unable to do anything about clearly disruptive behavior on this board.

Edited October 7, 2008 by TAWP

[hammered]

Well, Sondhi L. got what he wanted and more! Injured protester, dead policemen and soon the smell of diesel tanks arriving on the scene! At least someone is happy!

Do you really think it is coup time? I always assumed it was more likely to be election time if things went bad, and they do seem to be going that way right now

[jasreeve17]

House dissolution is now imminent, that would cool the situation quite a bit.

The worst case scenario is PPP trying to run the government in exile at the old airport and parliament switching locations to avoid being blocked, Democrats won't play these silly games, and PPP would have a hard time convincing coalition members to play along.

Newin would love to get back at Yawapa, too.

Basically, the goverment should admit that they have lost control of the country and stop aggravating the situation by trying to cling to power they don't have.

Does anyone still believe that the situation could be solved via "legitimate means", ie. the parliament? Today's events is a final nail in the coffin of that naive idea. Dissolving the parliament and fresh elections is the last legitimate exit strategy.

Then the TRT / PPP / Mr T will win yet again because that's what the Thai people (not me) want. Then these aggressive undemocratic trouble makers will get the PAD going again... it has repeated several times already, the PAD should be stopped by the police (which is exactly what's happening) so that the government can rule. If they do so, badly, they can be elected out by the people next time. Easy.

[ThNiner]

Errr, and as far as I know majority of people who voted in the last election didn't vote for PPP. Why the need to keep claiming that majority chose them? Is that just innocent little misunderstanding or instead pure ignorance and stupidity?

[Moonrakers]

Is not one policeman dead, is not another in critical condition.

Policeman critically injured in a clash with PAD

Pol Sgt Maj Taweep Klanniam and another policeman were pierced by sharp iron bars during police clash with People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) protesters.

The clash took place at around 1 pm.

The two policemen were rushed to the Phramongkutklao Hospital, which now declares that both are already in safe conditions.

The Nation

And also:

Policeman fatally injured in a clash with PAD

BANGKOK: -- A policeman succumbed to injuries at around 2.50 pm Tuesday after being pierced by a sharp iron bar during police clash with People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) protesters.

The clash took place at around 1 pm.

Pol Sgt Maj Taweep Klanniam died at the Phra Mongkutklao Hospital.

Another policeman was also critically injured.

Don't you just love the reporting out here.

Maybe reports of his demise have been greatly exaggerated.

[bulmercke]

FLASH NEWS: Sondhi Says Government Only Has Hours Left in Office - THAILAND OUTLOOK - MANAGER -

UPDATE : 7 October 2008

PAD leader Sondhi Limthongkul took the PAD stage at Government House this afternoon and stated that the government only has hours left of their term in office.

Sondhi said the result of the PAD's struggle will be known by 6 p.m. this evening. He's called on police officers and high ranking police commanders to call off their forces. He added that senior police officers will be held responsible for using the tear gas against the PAD protesters.

He's called the PAD protesters soldiers of HM the King and HM the Queen.

He's promised the PAD protesters that their long battle is about to come to its final chapter.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

This sounds ominous!

[sriracha john]

Prime Minister and Defence Minister Somchai Wongsawat ordered police to clear the way into parliament

A special Cabinet meeting last night empowered Deputy Prime Minister General Chavalit Yongchaiyudh, with police’s cooperation, to be in charge of People’s Alliance for Democracy’s protest at the Parliament’s compound

Police Major General Umnuay further indicated that both the Police Commissioner-General and the Interior Minister ordered for the use of force so that police could control the situation.

So who's gonna be responsible for all the maimed and the dead?

Please take your pick...

[hammered]

Thailand's best expert weighs in with her professional opinion...

Associated Press

Khunying Pornthip assures that lost leg was not caused by tear gas

Khunying Pornthip Rojanasunand, a respected forensic scientist, has affirmed the loss of a leg during this morning's police clash with protesters was not the result of tear gas usage.

Director of the Central Institute of Forensic Science Khunying Pornthip stated that many injuries were sustained during this morning's clash between police and People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD) protesters at the Parliament building, including one case that required the amputation of a leg.

Khunying Pornthip, however, remarked that she has not been able to examine the incident as it is still in the hands of police but assured that from her observations of the news photos, the lost leg could not have been the result of tear gas usage. She stated that the injury could have only been sustained from a much more powerful explosive.

The CIFS Director stated that she will have to wait until the situation has calmed to decide whether or not to return a request from the PAD to investigate the incident.

She stated however that she is confident forensic medical workers assigned to the event will be able to sufficiently deal with the case.

Khunying Pornthip said that she would have to receive approval from the Ministry of Justice before taking part in the investigation.

The CIFS Director said that detailed photograph evidence should be collected for the time being if she is to review the matter later. She also commented that such police dispersal tactics do not usually result in injuries of this magnitude.

- ThaiNews / 2008-10-07

I doubt that the Ministry of Justice let her official check it.

It's a real shame they didn't apply TAWP's vertical leg and pressure application techniques to stop the bleeding. Might have saved the leg!

Listen, I realize you are a freaking troll that for some reason has been given a free pass to post your trite verbal vomiting on this forum, but if you notice the black cloth tied around the upper part of this thigh you would notice that they already applied this technique. But it is for stopping of bleeding, not for saving legs. Which you would have no idea about.

I cannot for the life of me understand why moderators seem unable to do anything about clearly disruptive behavior on this board.

The Khunying Pornthip statement has been on Thai news. She is well repsected and it carries a lot of weight.

[k1w1]

The PAD are using defensive tactics to protect the large number of people that are being harrassed by the unethical police who are prepared to use explosives and fire high speed projectiles directly at the people they are paid by the state to protect.

The police are not supposed to be used by Governments to suppress freedom and definitely not supposed to violently attack a group who is otherwise rallying peaceful for demonstrative purposes.

The PAD are simply protecting themselves from corrupt and oppressive leaders and the police are being used as the oppressors.