Thaksin Guilty In Land Case, Gets 2-year Imprisonment

[sriracha john]

Brilliant reply from Korn... and so well-written in comparison to the fake "Dr." Shinawatra with his supposedly-English-language-obtained PhD.

Edited October 25, 2008 by sriracha john

[marshbags]

Today's Top Stories >> Sunday October 26, 2008 04:59

Speech off

By Post Reporters

The United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) has abruptly cancelled a plan to broadcast a speech by ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra live on television next Saturday.

People Power party member Jatuporn Promphan did not explain the change in plan, saying only that the political talk show Kwam Jing Wan Nee (The Truth Today) would not on air on Saturday on state-owned NBT, formerly Channel 11.

Mr Jatuporn, who co-hosts the programme with government spokesman Nattawut Saikua and Veera Musikapong, said Thaksin's remarks to supporters will instead be posted on www. todayfact.com and will air on NBT after Saturday.

Unquote

For the full article please go to :-

Ref url http://www.bangkokpost.com/topstories/tops...s.php?id=131641

This could be the second bit of positive news to compliment that of a change re the proposed surrounding of the PAD yesterday.

As to what will be eventually aired on the NBT,s version ( censored ) of Thaksins thoughts / statement remains to be seen

marshbags

Edited October 26, 2008 by marshbags

[younghusband]

Brilliant reply from Korn... and so well-written in comparison to the fake "Dr." Shinawatra with his supposedly-English-language-obtained PhD.

Hardly surprising Korn writes well in English, having been educated at Winchester College and then at Oxford.It doesn't prevent him avoiding comment however on one of Thaksin's substantive charges.Korn airily summons up and then dismisses "the so called elites that may not like you". This is the heart of the problem not so much because of any personal animosity but because the elite fear and dread the politicisation of the Thai majority and all that this implies.

As Michael Vatikiotis put it recently

"There is no denying that Mr Thaksin's buying power and uncompromising illiberal views posed a threat to freedom and security in Thailand. The telecoms tycoon took a dim view of Thailand's untrammelled media; his crackdown on drug dealers is alleged to have killed up to 2,000 people. Thailand has had bad leaders before, but they have been swiftly replaced without anyone caring too much about what people really think. Democracy in Thailand wasn't supposed to empower people, especially the rural masses, but rather maintain a stable status quo. Mr Thaksin changed all that and for this reason, as well as all the others, he had to go.

This would be fine, if like the military coup that originally ousted Mr Thaksin in September 2006, sovereignty was eventually returned to the people. Now it seems, there is a well-financed move to ensure that someone like Mr Thaksin can never come back, by completely changing the rules of the game. In this sense, former prime minister Samak Sundaravej, despite his crude style, had a point: he was elected by the people and to give into a mob is to undermine democracy.

Sadly...the ruling elite seems to be saying that democracy is fine so long as they retain power, or at least a big say in who holds the reins of power. This is a disturbing backlash"

Korn needs to address this fundamental issue square on.I have no problem with him skewering Thaksin on his grubby and sometimes illegal business deals, necessary in its own right and all grist for the political mill.At the moment Korn seems unbalanced in his posture.But my hopes in him persist.He is a good man.

Edited October 26, 2008 by younghusband

[animatic]

<deleted> is going on ???

A convicted criminal on the run from justice ...

That's your opinion.

And the fact you're allowed to express it proves Thailand is still a democracy

despite all your best efforts to suppress free speech.

First: is a question.

Second: is a statement of fact.

Third: is both true and untrue;

Yes it is his opinion, but it is also fact.

Unless you say bail-jumping is justified in this case,

Unless you say he was NOT convicted in court.?

Fourth: another statement, but only partly true.

Yes, we do have pretty much freedom of speech except for one subject.

But freedom of speech isn't solely in Democracies.

.

And you're acusing Marshbags of efforts to 'supress free speech'

or supress democracy as his end motive for commenting.

That gets squarely into OPINION.

No one stops you posting here, you just get rebutted quickly.

[animatic]

Bravo Kuhn Korn

Dear Dr. Thaksin,

It has been some time since we last spoke, but I felt the urge to write to you having seen your ‘open letter’ to your ‘friends’ in the international media, dated October 22nd, 2008.

Given the fact that you chose not to face the various criminal and corruption charges against you in Thailand, and given that you are in the process of seeking asylum in the UK, I can understand why you wrote what you did. It’s a shame though, since, once again, you feel compelled to harm the country of your birth in order to protect and promote your own personal interests.

It would have been so much better had you been more honest in your assessment of your predicament. Specifically related to the land procurement case in which you were found guilty of conflict of interest, we would have been interested to hear why it was that your legal team was caught and convicted of blatant attempts to bribe court officials. Furthermore, you are fully aware that the law you broke was the highest law of the land, being an infringement in a key article in the Constitution designed to penalize acts considered criminal on the part of those who hold political office. Indeed, it was a breach of both the 1997 constitution you love as well as the current 2007 constitution that was accepted in a nationwide referendum.

You referred to the ruling against Khun Samak, your chosen heir, and portray the case as a ruling against the fact that he cooked on TV when you know full well that the actual crime was his breach of the Constitution barring those in office from holding paid employment. Your definition of ‘facts’ leaves a lot to be desired and I worry that you actually believe what you are saying.

It is precisely because it is so difficult the world over to actually catch clever politicians with their hands in the till that we have laws against conflicts of interests – it is a reflection of our society’s desire for good governance, not dissimilar to codes of conducts in most leading corporations in the private sector.

It may be true that there are the so-called elites who don’t like you, but I can assure you that there are plenty of grass-root members of the Thai population who are also not too keen on having leaders who cheat. You got away early in your political career with an ‘honest mistake’ when you failed to properly disclose your assets, but how many more of these ‘honest’ mistakes do you think the Thai people should allow you? You are once again charged with hiding assets even now, not least the money you used to buy Manchester City. After all, you no longer even try to pretend that it was not your own money that was used to buy the football club, even though you never disclosed, as was legally required, that you ever had any money overseas.

I won’t go into details about your wife being convicted of tax fraud and the fact that the government you support is still doing every thing they can to distort the course of justice here in Thailand. Frankly, if you really wanted to present facts, you should provide these details yourself. You are right in saying that all Thais are concerned about the direction the country is taking, but I believe that the situation would be much improved if you were to leave us alone to clean up the mess you left us in.

Korn Chatikavanij

Member of Parliament

source : http://www.matichon.co.th/news_detail.php?newsid=1224924179

So well and clearly stated.

He could have just done something for local consumption, but this is for UK and world consumption.

I am SURE he has some good and now influencial friends in UK after his 'Winchester and Oxford Schooling' there.

And this will be brought to the attention of other upper echelon minds in old England.

Edited October 26, 2008 by animatic

[hammered]

Brilliant reply from Korn... and so well-written in comparison to the fake "Dr." Shinawatra with his supposedly-English-language-obtained PhD.

Hardly surprising Korn writes well in English, having been educated at Winchester College and then at Oxford.It doesn't prevent him avoiding comment however on one of Thaksin's substantive charges.Korn airily summons up and then dismisses "the so called elites that may not like you". This is the heart of the problem not so much because of any personal animosity but because the elite fear and dread the politicisation of the Thai majority and all that this implies.

As Michael Vatikiotis put it recently

"There is no denying that Mr Thaksin's buying power and uncompromising illiberal views posed a threat to freedom and security in Thailand. The telecoms tycoon took a dim view of Thailand's untrammelled media; his crackdown on drug dealers is alleged to have killed up to 2,000 people. Thailand has had bad leaders before, but they have been swiftly replaced without anyone caring too much about what people really think. Democracy in Thailand wasn't supposed to empower people, especially the rural masses, but rather maintain a stable status quo. Mr Thaksin changed all that and for this reason, as well as all the others, he had to go.

This would be fine, if like the military coup that originally ousted Mr Thaksin in September 2006, sovereignty was eventually returned to the people. Now it seems, there is a well-financed move to ensure that someone like Mr Thaksin can never come back, by completely changing the rules of the game. In this sense, former prime minister Samak Sundaravej, despite his crude style, had a point: he was elected by the people and to give into a mob is to undermine democracy.

Sadly...the ruling elite seems to be saying that democracy is fine so long as they retain power, or at least a big say in who holds the reins of power. This is a disturbing backlash"

Korn needs to address this fundamental issue square on.I have no problem with him skewering Thaksin on his grubby and sometimes illegal business deals, necessary in its own right and all grist for the political mill.At the moment Korn seems unbalanced in his posture.But my hopes in him persist.He is a good man.

YH in all honesty I think now everyobne is unbalanced and to some degree forced into spaces they dont want to be in but feekl they have no choice. There is no center ground or if there is it has all the oxygen sucked from it by the two poles. Unfortunate, but the good may return to a more reasonable stance at a later date. The good on both sides that is because there are very good people on both sides and some very bad too.

[hammered]

Today's Top Stories >> Sunday October 26, 2008 04:59

Speech off

By Post Reporters

The United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) has abruptly cancelled a plan to broadcast a speech by ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra live on television next Saturday.

People Power party member Jatuporn Promphan did not explain the change in plan, saying only that the political talk show Kwam Jing Wan Nee (The Truth Today) would not on air on Saturday on state-owned NBT, formerly Channel 11.

Mr Jatuporn, who co-hosts the programme with government spokesman Nattawut Saikua and Veera Musikapong, said Thaksin's remarks to supporters will instead be posted on www. todayfact.com and will air on NBT after Saturday.

Unquote

For the full article please go to :-

Ref url http://www.bangkokpost.com/topstories/tops...s.php?id=131641

This could be the second bit of positive news to compliment that of a change re the proposed surrounding of the PAD yesterday.

As to what will be eventually aired on the NBT,s version ( censored ) of Thaksins thoughts / statement remains to be seen

marshbags

We are either at a return to behind the scenes smoke filled rooms manouvers or everyone ahs agreed a truce until after the big event in November. In the past few weeks we have seen Panlop distance himself from the PAD publically and Salang say he never said it. In all honesty both these scary guys are in the background but temporarily remaining inactive. Then we have Taksin will talk which actually terrifies some of what he may allude to but that is cancelled. The threats have been made. Maybe we have a new round of chats destined to failure or maybe just both sides need a little time to regroup. Time will tell. As Newin Chidchob analysed it: the government is not in immediate danger but after the funeral things cvould happen. He is a shrewd analyst and player albeit a rather nasty and probably untrustworthy one, kind of like Stanley at the Battle of Bosworth.

[KKK]

never going to jail,so why waste tax payers money on court cases till he's back in thailand .

Because this country has got to show that it means business when it comes to corrupt politicians. Trying somebody in absentia is not unusual and when found guilty gives more clout to an extradition request.

[h90]

Brilliant reply from Korn... and so well-written in comparison to the fake "Dr." Shinawatra with his supposedly-English-language-obtained PhD.

Hardly surprising Korn writes well in English, having been educated at Winchester College and then at Oxford.It doesn't prevent him avoiding comment however on one of Thaksin's substantive charges.Korn airily summons up and then dismisses "the so called elites that may not like you". This is the heart of the problem not so much because of any personal animosity but because the elite fear and dread the politicisation of the Thai majority and all that this implies.

As Michael Vatikiotis put it recently

"There is no denying that Mr Thaksin's buying power and uncompromising illiberal views posed a threat to freedom and security in Thailand. The telecoms tycoon took a dim view of Thailand's untrammelled media; his crackdown on drug dealers is alleged to have killed up to 2,000 people. Thailand has had bad leaders before, but they have been swiftly replaced without anyone caring too much about what people really think. Democracy in Thailand wasn't supposed to empower people, especially the rural masses, but rather maintain a stable status quo. Mr Thaksin changed all that and for this reason, as well as all the others, he had to go.

This would be fine, if like the military coup that originally ousted Mr Thaksin in September 2006, sovereignty was eventually returned to the people. Now it seems, there is a well-financed move to ensure that someone like Mr Thaksin can never come back, by completely changing the rules of the game. In this sense, former prime minister Samak Sundaravej, despite his crude style, had a point: he was elected by the people and to give into a mob is to undermine democracy.

Sadly...the ruling elite seems to be saying that democracy is fine so long as they retain power, or at least a big say in who holds the reins of power. This is a disturbing backlash"

Korn needs to address this fundamental issue square on.I have no problem with him skewering Thaksin on his grubby and sometimes illegal business deals, necessary in its own right and all grist for the political mill.At the moment Korn seems unbalanced in his posture.But my hopes in him persist.He is a good man.

Beside that you forget to mention that they all bought votes and are therefor illegal in power. So also Samak was NOT elected. So there was no Democracy to undermine. PPP and TRT undermined Democracy with vote buying.

[younghusband]

So well and clearly stated.

He could have just done something for local consumption, but this is for UK and world consumption.

I am SURE he has some good and now influencial friends in UK after his 'Winchester and Oxford Schooling' there.

And this will be brought to the attention of other upper echelon minds in old England.

It doesn't work like that.Certainly Korn would be able to communicate with foreign leaders very effectively but he will be stymied until he faces up to the the profoundly illiberal and anti democratic nature of the PAD movement with which to use Sarah Palin's phrase he has been palling around with.It is the direct opposite of all the values his elite education should have prepared him for.I suspect he knows this full well and after all may just be biding his time.

[KKK]

Thaksin guilty in land deal case

Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions Tuesday found ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra guilty in Ratchadaphisek land deal case and sentenced him to 2 years in jail. His wife Khunying Potjaman was freed from all charges.

So the previous court decision that Khunying Potjaman was guilty has been upturned! and she is now a free woman. Perhaps Thaksin does have a case for asylum in UK on the basis he won't get a fair trial cause it seems Potjaman didn't but now has..that's if you want to believe the Supreme Court has got it right this time.

But does the "Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions" have the right to acquit Potjaman anyway? She never held a Political Position unless giving Thaksin a "h**d-job" counts.

Oops I forgot Potjaman is not a free woman...she still has the 3 year sentance for tax evasion pending...UK send them both back.....I'm sure we can find a cosy double room in some jail here for them......

Edited October 26, 2008 by KKK

[younghusband]

YH in all honesty I think now everyobne is unbalanced and to some degree forced into spaces they dont want to be in but feekl they have no choice. There is no center ground or if there is it has all the oxygen sucked from it by the two poles. Unfortunate, but the good may return to a more reasonable stance at a later date. The good on both sides that is because there are very good people on both sides and some very bad too.

Good point.I have to say I think the PAD leadership are the worst offenders but it's a general problem.Many are driven by the confrontational tone on both sides to positions that in all honesty are disagreable to them.It might surprise some but I have a visceral distaste for Thaksin.But this is just an expat forum where at the end of the day it's just sound and fury signifying..not very much.It's more important for people like Korn and Abhisit to find the courage to be honest.But yes I don't underestimate that politicians have to pay their cards carefully.

[marshbags]

Today's Top Stories >> Sunday October 26, 2008 04:59

Speech off

By Post Reporters

The United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) has abruptly cancelled a plan to broadcast a speech by ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra live on television next Saturday.

People Power party member Jatuporn Promphan did not explain the change in plan, saying only that the political talk show Kwam Jing Wan Nee (The Truth Today) would not on air on Saturday on state-owned NBT, formerly Channel 11.

Mr Jatuporn, who co-hosts the programme with government spokesman Nattawut Saikua and Veera Musikapong, said Thaksin's remarks to supporters will instead be posted on www. todayfact.com and will air on NBT after Saturday.

Unquote

For the full article please go to :-

Ref url http://www.bangkokpost.com/topstories/tops...s.php?id=131641

Could it be that the advisors / coherts of Thaksin are worried if he speaks live, he is now more than ever likely to let his mouth run riot and start saying things that would go against him and show him in the light he actually is ( Bitter and Resentful and DGAFCUK about Thailand, only his own self interests and power. )

By delaying his talk, aka political speech and his honest objectives ( the destruction of the institutions that brought him to account ect.ect.

They can omit / edit out anything not favourable and insert ones that are, afterwards. marshbags

marshbags

We are either at a return to behind the scenes smoke filled rooms manouvers or everyone ahs agreed a truce until after the big event in November. In the past few weeks we have seen Panlop distance himself from the PAD publically and Salang say he never said it. In all honesty both these scary guys are in the background but temporarily remaining inactive. Then we have Taksin will talk which actually terrifies some of what he may allude to but that is cancelled. The threats have been made. Maybe we have a new round of chats destined to failure or maybe just both sides need a little time to regroup. Time will tell. As Newin Chidchob analysed it: the government is not in immediate danger but after the funeral things cvould happen. He is a shrewd analyst and player albeit a rather nasty and probably untrustworthy one, kind of like Stanley at the Battle of Bosworth.

[animatic]

So well and clearly stated.

He could have just done something for local consumption, but this is for UK and world consumption.

I am SURE he has some good and now influencial friends in UK after his 'Winchester and Oxford Schooling' there.

And this will be brought to the attention of other upper echelon minds in old England.

It doesn't work like that.Certainly Korn would be able to communicate with foreign leaders very effectively but he will be stymied until he faces up to the the profoundly illiberal and anti democratic nature of the PAD movement with which to use Sarah Palin's phrase he has been palling around with.It is the direct opposite of all the values his elite education should have prepared him for.I suspect he knows this full well and after all may just be biding his time.

Totally irrelevent; Pallin and PAD are not in the equasion.

It need also not be a direct sit down with GORDON BROWN either.

The old school tie in old blighty is very good at diseminating amongst its players,

a solid impression of what sort of wanke_rs and wingnuts they are dealing with abroad.

No doubt MI-x security is quite aware of Thakisn and are watching him to see of he

makes moves to destabalize Brit interests in Asia.

Or put UK in a bad light because they let him.

Tacky's only move is to destabalize Thailand to overcome his opposition.

And that likely is a move beyond his paygrade even for a rich blighter like him.

[animatic]

Thaksin guilty in land deal case

Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions Tuesday found ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra guilty in Ratchadaphisek land deal case and sentenced him to 2 years in jail. His wife Khunying Potjaman was freed from all charges.

So the previous court decision that Khunying Potjaman was guilty has been upturned! and she is now a free woman. Perhaps Thaksin does have a case for asylum in UK on the basis he won't get a fair trial cause it seems Potjaman didn't but now has..that's if you want to believe the Supreme Court has got it right this time.

But does the "Supreme Court's Criminal Division for Holders of Political Positions" have the right to acquit Potjaman anyway? She never held a Political Position unless giving Thaksin a "h**d-job" counts.

Oops I forgot Potjaman is not a free woman...she still has the 3 year sentance for tax evasion pending...UK send them both back.....I'm sure we can find a cosy double room in some jail here for them......

No not at all she is STILL convicted and sentenced for the FIRST case.

this is a NEW case.

and it was his actions, not hers at question.

She turned out not to be under this courts jurisdiction.

But she is still an 'escaped convict' from the earlier case.

Edited October 26, 2008 by animatic

[younghusband]

So well and clearly stated.

He could have just done something for local consumption, but this is for UK and world consumption.

I am SURE he has some good and now influencial friends in UK after his 'Winchester and Oxford Schooling' there.

And this will be brought to the attention of other upper echelon minds in old England.

It doesn't work like that.Certainly Korn would be able to communicate with foreign leaders very effectively but he will be stymied until he faces up to the the profoundly illiberal and anti democratic nature of the PAD movement with which to use Sarah Palin's phrase he has been palling around with.It is the direct opposite of all the values his elite education should have prepared him for.I suspect he knows this full well and after all may just be biding his time.

Totally irrelevent; Pallin and PAD are not in the equasion.

It need also not be a direct sit down with GORDON BROWN either.

The old school tie in old blighty is very good at diseminating amongst its players,

a solid impression of what sort of wanke_rs and wingnuts they are dealing with abroad.

No doubt MI-x security is quite aware of Thakisn and are watching him to see of he

makes moves to destabalize Brit interests in Asia.

Or put UK in a bad light because they let him.

Tacky's only move is to destabalize Thailand to overcome his opposition.

And that likely is a move beyond his paygrade even for a rich blighter like him.

With respect it's fairly clear you don't have the slightest idea how the British establishment works or thinks.

[Samuian]

With respect it's fairly clear you don't have the slightest idea how the British establishment works or thinks.

Despite the fact that i think that this is very belittling and cheapest polemics in an argument, would you mind to enlighten the readers about the mystics of "ow the British establishment works or thinks"? (new thread even, not to get off topic here!)

[Artisi]

[

" former prime minister Samak Sundaravej, despite his crude style, had a point: he was elected by the people and to give into a mob is to undermine democracy."

Samak Sundaravej was NOT elected by the people, his party might have ended up in power -- but he wasn't elected by the people.

[plachon]

Brilliant reply from Korn... and so well-written in comparison to the fake "Dr." Shinawatra with his supposedly-English-language-obtained PhD.

Hardly surprising Korn writes well in English, having been educated at Winchester College and then at Oxford.It doesn't prevent him avoiding comment however on one of Thaksin's substantive charges.Korn airily summons up and then dismisses "the so called elites that may not like you". This is the heart of the problem not so much because of any personal animosity but because the elite fear and dread the politicisation of the Thai majority and all that this implies.

As Michael Vatikiotis put it recently

"There is no denying that Mr Thaksin's buying power and uncompromising illiberal views posed a threat to freedom and security in Thailand. The telecoms tycoon took a dim view of Thailand's untrammelled media; his crackdown on drug dealers is alleged to have killed up to 2,000 people. Thailand has had bad leaders before, but they have been swiftly replaced without anyone caring too much about what people really think. Democracy in Thailand wasn't supposed to empower people, especially the rural masses, but rather maintain a stable status quo. Mr Thaksin changed all that and for this reason, as well as all the others, he had to go.

This would be fine, if like the military coup that originally ousted Mr Thaksin in September 2006, sovereignty was eventually returned to the people. Now it seems, there is a well-financed move to ensure that someone like Mr Thaksin can never come back, by completely changing the rules of the game. In this sense, former prime minister Samak Sundaravej, despite his crude style, had a point: he was elected by the people and to give into a mob is to undermine democracy.

Sadly...the ruling elite seems to be saying that democracy is fine so long as they retain power, or at least a big say in who holds the reins of power. This is a disturbing backlash"

Korn needs to address this fundamental issue square on.I have no problem with him skewering Thaksin on his grubby and sometimes illegal business deals, necessary in its own right and all grist for the political mill.At the moment Korn seems unbalanced in his posture.But my hopes in him persist.He is a good man.

YH in all honesty I think now everyobne is unbalanced and to some degree forced into spaces they dont want to be in but feekl they have no choice. There is no center ground or if there is it has all the oxygen sucked from it by the two poles. Unfortunate, but the good may return to a more reasonable stance at a later date. The good on both sides that is because there are very good people on both sides and some very bad too.

I have little trouble seeing some of the "bad" people on both sides (but with an unbalanced distribution) and many "good" people on one side, but I have considerable difficulty spotting any "good" people on Toxin's side. I respect your opinion Hammered, so could you please enlighten me who, in your opinion, are these people? I'm really straining my mind to figure out who you could be pigeon holing as the TRT/PPP "great and the good"????

[marshbags]

The Nation, breaking news, October 26, 2008 : Last updated 05:23 pm

Prinya reminds Thaksin fight is over

Thammasat University's law lecturer Prinya Thewanaruemitkul Sunday reminded former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra that his fight was over following his conviction.

Thaksin was now a fugitive fleeing his punishment on the Ratchadapisek land case, Prinya said, arguing that it was inappropriate for state-run NBT station to provide live coverage for a planned telephone call from London.

He warned Thaksin not to stir up trouble by swaying his supporters to act in defiance of the Supreme Court's verdict.

"Thaksin should realise that the game was over and his supporters might face dire consequences if he continues to incite them to defile the judiciary," he said.

If opposing crowds clash triggering the bloodshed, then the military would have no choice but to intervene and this will lead, in turn, to even more violence as anti-coup protesters take to the streets to fight with the soldiers, he said.

Unquote

How many more pieces of GOOD SENSIBLE ADVICE / THE FACTS AS THEY ARE do need to be aware of Thaksin ?????

marshbags

Edited October 26, 2008 by marshbags

[younghusband]

With respect it's fairly clear you don't have the slightest idea how the British establishment works or thinks.

Despite the fact that i think that this is very belittling and cheapest polemics in an argument, would you mind to enlighten the readers about the mystics of "ow the British establishment works or thinks"? (new thread even, not to get off topic here!)

No, it would be a mildly interesting but ultimately irrelevant diversion.Those who know will know already.Those who don't know will probably never know.Actually you could say much the same about any ruling class.

[Samuian]

The Nation, breaking news, October 26, 2008 : Last updated 05:23 pm

Prinya reminds Thaksin fight is over

Thammasat University's law lecturer Prinya Thewanaruemitkul Sunday reminded former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra that his fight was over following his conviction.

Thaksin was now a fugitive fleeing his punishment on the Ratchadapisek land case, Prinya said, arguing that it was inappropriate for state-run NBT station to provide live coverage for a planned telephone call from London.

He warned Thaksin not to stir up trouble by swaying his supporters to act in defiance of the Supreme Court's verdict.

"Thaksin should realise that the game was over and his supporters might face dire consequences if he continues to incite them to defile the judiciary," he said.

If opposing crowds clash triggering the bloodshed, then the military would have no choice but to intervene and this will lead, in turn, to even more violence as anti-coup protesters take to the streets to fight with the soldiers, he said.

Unquote

How many more pieces of GOOD SENSIBLE ADVICE / THE FACTS AS THEY ARE do need to be aware of Thaksin ?????

marshbags

It seems he is, due through his immense ego, driving whatever he does, himself more and more in a bad mess....he is on the way to make lose his face himself!

With respect it's fairly clear you don't have the slightest idea how the British establishment works or thinks.

Despite the fact that i think that this is very belittling and cheapest polemics in an argument, would you mind to enlighten the readers about the mystics of "ow the British establishment works or thinks"? (new thread even, not to get off topic here!)

No, it would be a mildly interesting but ultimately irrelevant diversion.Those who know will know already.Those who don't know will probably never know.Actually you could say much the same about any ruling class.

again, you believe that this is not "high strung" answer?

[younghusband]

The Nation, breaking news, October 26, 2008 : Last updated 05:23 pm

Prinya reminds Thaksin fight is over

Thammasat University's law lecturer Prinya Thewanaruemitkul Sunday reminded former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra that his fight was over following his conviction.

Thaksin was now a fugitive fleeing his punishment on the Ratchadapisek land case, Prinya said, arguing that it was inappropriate for state-run NBT station to provide live coverage for a planned telephone call from London.

He warned Thaksin not to stir up trouble by swaying his supporters to act in defiance of the Supreme Court's verdict.

"Thaksin should realise that the game was over and his supporters might face dire consequences if he continues to incite them to defile the judiciary," he said.

If opposing crowds clash triggering the bloodshed, then the military would have no choice but to intervene and this will lead, in turn, to even more violence as anti-coup protesters take to the streets to fight with the soldiers, he said.

Unquote

How many more pieces of GOOD SENSIBLE ADVICE / THE FACTS AS THEY ARE do need to be aware of Thaksin ?????

marshbags

Wasn't Prinya the Thammasat academic who freaked out over Chotiros Suriyawong's little black dress? PAD tosser.

[younghusband]

again, you believe that this is not "high strung" answer?

I don't know exavtly what you mean by "high strung".Do you mean arrogant perhaps? Racehorses are highly strung.

[GomerPyle]

Brilliant reply from Korn... and so well-written in comparison to the fake "Dr." Shinawatra with his supposedly-English-language-obtained PhD.

Hardly surprising Korn writes well in English, having been educated at Winchester College and then at Oxford.It doesn't prevent him avoiding comment however on one of Thaksin's substantive charges.Korn airily summons up and then dismisses "the so called elites that may not like you". This is the heart of the problem not so much because of any personal animosity but because the elite fear and dread the politicisation of the Thai majority and all that this implies.

As Michael Vatikiotis put it recently

"There is no denying that Mr Thaksin's buying power and uncompromising illiberal views posed a threat to freedom and security in Thailand. The telecoms tycoon took a dim view of Thailand's untrammelled media; his crackdown on drug dealers is alleged to have killed up to 2,000 people. Thailand has had bad leaders before, but they have been swiftly replaced without anyone caring too much about what people really think. Democracy in Thailand wasn't supposed to empower people, especially the rural masses, but rather maintain a stable status quo. Mr Thaksin changed all that and for this reason, as well as all the others, he had to go.

This would be fine, if like the military coup that originally ousted Mr Thaksin in September 2006, sovereignty was eventually returned to the people. Now it seems, there is a well-financed move to ensure that someone like Mr Thaksin can never come back, by completely changing the rules of the game. In this sense, former prime minister Samak Sundaravej, despite his crude style, had a point: he was elected by the people and to give into a mob is to undermine democracy.

Sadly...the ruling elite seems to be saying that democracy is fine so long as they retain power, or at least a big say in who holds the reins of power. This is a disturbing backlash"

Korn needs to address this fundamental issue square on.I have no problem with him skewering Thaksin on his grubby and sometimes illegal business deals, necessary in its own right and all grist for the political mill.At the moment Korn seems unbalanced in his posture.But my hopes in him persist.He is a good man.

Dear Mr Korn ,

Would you care to elaborate on the business deals you and your family have in this country ?

[plachon]

again, you believe that this is not "high strung" answer?

I don't know exavtly what you mean by "high strung".Do you mean arrogant perhaps? Racehorses are highly strung.

While you are certainly up with the best in terms of arrogance YH, I hope you are not going to claim to be either as "highly strung" or "well hung" (more normally associated metaphor I would have thought) as a racehorse!

By the way, why are you so obsessed with which public school or university people went to?

[younghusband]

By the way, why are you so obsessed with which public school or university people went to?

Couldn't really care less about public schools (Winchester is only interesting because its entrance exam is probably the most demanding in the world) but on the university side yes I really do believe Harvard/Yale or Oxford/Cambridge attract the best and brightest.

But absolutely no objection if elite universities admit bright Northern folk and other worthy members of the lower classes.They may get debagged from time to time and thrown into the River Cam but that's a reasonable price to pay for being alongside us Bullingham Club types.

[wayfarer108]

It is precisely because it is so difficult the world over to actually catch clever politicians with their hands in the till that we have laws against conflicts of interests – it is a reflection of our society’s desire for good governance, not dissimilar to codes of conducts in most leading corporations in the private sector.

Sums it up nicely.

[wayfarer108]

Brilliant reply from Korn... and so well-written in comparison to the fake "Dr." Shinawatra with his supposedly-English-language-obtained PhD.

Hardly surprising Korn writes well in English, having been educated at Winchester College and then at Oxford.It doesn't prevent him avoiding comment however on one of Thaksin's substantive charges.Korn airily summons up and then dismisses "the so called elites that may not like you". This is the heart of the problem not so much because of any personal animosity but because the elite fear and dread the politicisation of the Thai majority and all that this implies.

As Michael Vatikiotis put it recently

"There is no denying that Mr Thaksin's buying power and uncompromising illiberal views posed a threat to freedom and security in Thailand. The telecoms tycoon took a dim view of Thailand's untrammelled media; his crackdown on drug dealers is alleged to have killed up to 2,000 people. Thailand has had bad leaders before, but they have been swiftly replaced without anyone caring too much about what people really think. Democracy in Thailand wasn't supposed to empower people, especially the rural masses, but rather maintain a stable status quo. Mr Thaksin changed all that and for this reason, as well as all the others, he had to go.

This would be fine, if like the military coup that originally ousted Mr Thaksin in September 2006, sovereignty was eventually returned to the people. Now it seems, there is a well-financed move to ensure that someone like Mr Thaksin can never come back, by completely changing the rules of the game. In this sense, former prime minister Samak Sundaravej, despite his crude style, had a point: he was elected by the people and to give into a mob is to undermine democracy.

Sadly...the ruling elite seems to be saying that democracy is fine so long as they retain power, or at least a big say in who holds the reins of power. This is a disturbing backlash"

Korn needs to address this fundamental issue square on.I have no problem with him skewering Thaksin on his grubby and sometimes illegal business deals, necessary in its own right and all grist for the political mill.At the moment Korn seems unbalanced in his posture.But my hopes in him persist.He is a good man.

Dear Mr Korn ,

Would you care to elaborate on the business deals you and your family have in this country ?

No relevant here as 1) we're talking about Thaksin, not Korn, and 2) Korn is not suspected of having broken the law or conducted unethical business dealings. Stick to the issues.

[animatic]

Brilliant reply from Korn... and so well-written in comparison to the fake "Dr." Shinawatra with his supposedly-English-language-obtained PhD.

Hardly surprising Korn writes well in English, having been educated at Winchester College and then at Oxford.It doesn't prevent him avoiding comment however on one of Thaksin's substantive charges.Korn airily summons up and then dismisses "the so called elites that may not like you". This is the heart of the problem not so much because of any personal animosity but because the elite fear and dread the politicisation of the Thai majority and all that this implies.

As Michael Vatikiotis put it recently

"There is no denying that Mr Thaksin's buying power and uncompromising illiberal views posed a threat to freedom and security in Thailand. The telecoms tycoon took a dim view of Thailand's untrammelled media; his crackdown on drug dealers is alleged to have killed up to 2,000 people. Thailand has had bad leaders before, but they have been swiftly replaced without anyone caring too much about what people really think. Democracy in Thailand wasn't supposed to empower people, especially the rural masses, but rather maintain a stable status quo. Mr Thaksin changed all that and for this reason, as well as all the others, he had to go.

This would be fine, if like the military coup that originally ousted Mr Thaksin in September 2006, sovereignty was eventually returned to the people. Now it seems, there is a well-financed move to ensure that someone like Mr Thaksin can never come back, by completely changing the rules of the game. In this sense, former prime minister Samak Sundaravej, despite his crude style, had a point: he was elected by the people and to give into a mob is to undermine democracy.

Sadly...the ruling elite seems to be saying that democracy is fine so long as they retain power, or at least a big say in who holds the reins of power. This is a disturbing backlash"

Korn needs to address this fundamental issue square on.I have no problem with him skewering Thaksin on his grubby and sometimes illegal business deals, necessary in its own right and all grist for the political mill.At the moment Korn seems unbalanced in his posture.But my hopes in him persist.He is a good man.

Dear Mr Korn ,

Would you care to elaborate on the business deals you and your family have in this country ?

Well Gollie Mr. Neigbors.

Joined yesterday and an expert on everything today.

What a coincidence... to many reruns me thinks.