8 Injured In Another Bomb Attack Outside Govt House

[george]

8 injured in another bomb attack outside Government House

BANGKOK: -- Eight protesters were injured, one severely, after two assailants launched a grenade at them at the Misakawan Intersection outside the Government House early Saturday.The attack was made at 2:10 am against a group of some 20 protesters who were standing and talking outside a gate of the Government House.

Anupong Samerphak, 22, was hit by bomb shrapnel at his body and neck. Ramathibodi Hospital doctors had to put him on respiratory system.

Eyewitnesses said two teenagers parked their motorcycle near the back gate of the Metropolitan Police head office and used a grenade launcher to launch a grenade at the protesters. The two fled the scene on Phitsanulok Road.

The injured protesters were standing near the Fifth Gate of the Government House Complex opposite from the Education Ministry.

The explosion caused a small hole in the ground and damaged two pick-up trucks, a sedan car and a motorcycle near the scene.

Maj Gen Anan Srihiran, commander of the Metropolitan Police Division 1, rushed to the scene with bomb disposal officers to carry out an investigation.

Pongchai Saetang, 42, a taxi driver, told police that he was waiting at the intersection for passengers when he saw a red light in the air, which was followed by a loud noise shortly.

He said the explosion occurred at the spot where about 20 people were talking.

The taxi driver said he saw two young men fleeing on their motorcycle on Phitsanulok heading to the Wang Daeng intersection.

The two men were about 200 metres away from the explosion spot when they ran to their motorcycle and fled, the taxi driver said.

The seven other injured were identified as Wirat Piangsajja, 54, Somchai Wongsonthi, 44, Pongchanok Kanchana-amorndej, 31, Samrerng Buachan, 26, Prakrong Hachai, 38, Narong Nakiam, 64 and Ekkapol Sahawat, 33.

All of them were rushed to the Ramathibodi Hospital by the PAD guards.

It was the second bomb attack after the tacit ceasefire during the royal cremation period.

Early Thursday, a grenade was launched at protesters inside the Government House complex, killing one and injuring more than 20 others.

The Thursday bomb prompted the PAD to declare war and plan a mass rally outside Parliament Sunday to try to speed up the downfall of the government.

-- The Nation 2008-11-22

[animatic]

It is sickness. It is group mental illness.

If they think that this will do anything but harden PAD's resolve to

do anything but bring down the government they are deluded.

Silence the protestors and suddenly you can do what you like,

if no watchdog is announcing to the world what you are up too.

This is such and old idea. BUT it doesn't take into account modern communications.

This is a man of action coming back to politics?

PAD didn't stop after Oct 7th, when dozens were injured and 2 killed

why would a daily grenade attack stop them?

Edited November 22, 2008 by animatic

[hammered]

It is sickness. It is group mental illness.

If they think that this will do anything but harden PAD's resolve to

do anything but bring down the government they are deluded.

Silence the protestors and suddenly you can do what you like,

if no watchdog is announcing to the world what you are up too.

This is such and old idea. BUT it doesn't take into account modern communications.

This is a man of action coming back to politics?

PAD didn't stop after Oct 7th, when dozens were injured and 2 killed

why would a daily grenade attack stop them?

But the grenade attacks do have an effect on numbers. People become scared and less likely to attend. Street demos in the power struggle do become a numbers game to some extent so creating a fear to attend in ones opponents has an effect.

[Xangsamhua]

I understand (from wife watching ASTV) that General Chamlong has said overnight or this morning that, if the Thai people are happy to be ruled by corruption, violence and lawlessness, maybe that's how it has to be - he doesn't want to see more PAD supporters being injured.

That may be consistent with his Buddhist philosophy. I'm not sure what Sondhi LTK thinks about it.

If there is violence tomorrow and/or the big rally doesn't get the numbers, I wonder if PAD will back off and leave the country to get what it seems to want.

[hammered]

There are reports that at least one of the injured is "brain-dead"

[PeaceBlondie]

Pray for peace. Work for peace.

[Plus]

"Pray for peace. Work for peace."

I don't know. If people stay at home to tomorrow and keep quiet because they have been terrorised into submission - is it "peace"? It would look like peace, ie there will be no violence.

I like the daughter of that mad colonel Sae Daeng: "I don't support everything PAD says, but I feel that if people don't go out and support them, the country will never ever improve".

Quoting from memory, sorry

[george]

Update:

Latest bomb victim dies

BANGKOK: -- The latest bomb attack against the People's Alliance for Democracy at the Misakawan Intersection early Saturday has died, the Manager Online reported.

It said Anupong Samerpak, 22, a PAD guard died at the Ramathibodi Hospital. The injury caused him to become brain-dead and die eventually.

The PAD protesters were in form of the dead and stood in silence for one minute to pay homage to him.

-- The Nation 2008-11-22

[huggybear]

Update:

Latest bomb victim dies

BANGKOK: -- The latest bomb attack against the People's Alliance for Democracy at the Misakawan Intersection early Saturday has died, the Manager Online reported.

It said Anupong Samerpak, 22, a PAD guard died at the Ramathibodi Hospital. The injury caused him to become brain-dead and die eventually.

The PAD protesters were in form of the dead and stood in silence for one minute to pay homage to him.

-- The Nation 2008-11-22

I'm so F****cking tired of this !!!!

DISSOLVE PPP, DISSOLVE PARLIAMENT AND SET ELECTIONS FOR FEBRUARY!!!!!!!!!!!

Edited November 22, 2008 by huggybear

[jfchandler]

I'd like to know...where the h**l do Thai teenagers get grenade launchers and hand grenades from??? ...

Certainly, it's hard to know if PAD's future plans for Thailand are the right ones, given the anti-democratic elements involved... But at least, since the original NBT fiasco, they have kept pretty closely to their non-violent civil disobedience approach against the government.

Clearly, the same cannot be said for their opponents....

[toptuan]

Warning from American Embassy, 8:40 a.m. today.....

On Sunday, November 23, 2008, the People's Alliance for Democracy (PAD)

plans to march from Government House to the Parliament building

beginning at 14:00. The PAD is calling for its largest gathering to

date....We remind American citizens to exercise caution if you are going to be

in this vicinity or in the area of any demonstrations, as the

possibility for violence remains high.

Two bomb attacks and killings within a week. Starting to sound like South Thailand.

At what point does civil violence become civil war?

Edited November 22, 2008 by toptuan

[h90]

Update:

Latest bomb victim dies

BANGKOK: -- The latest bomb attack against the People's Alliance for Democracy at the Misakawan Intersection early Saturday has died, the Manager Online reported.

It said Anupong Samerpak, 22, a PAD guard died at the Ramathibodi Hospital. The injury caused him to become brain-dead and die eventually.

The PAD protesters were in form of the dead and stood in silence for one minute to pay homage to him.

-- The Nation 2008-11-22

I'm so F****cking tired of this !!!!

DISSOLVE PPP, DISSOLVE PARLIAMENT AND SET ELECTIONS FOR FEBRUARY!!!!!!!!!!!

AND put the worst criminals in jail.......

[dumball]

I have no true sympathy for either side , except for the injured of course .

Why can they not use Western simple logic as is so often demonstated by the academics on TV ? Sit down and have a rational talk about the problems at hand , my goodness , in the blink of an eye they would all be hugging each other like long lost brothers .

[sabaijai]

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[Gravelrash]

It is sickness. It is group mental illness.

If they think that this will do anything but harden PAD's resolve to

do anything but bring down the government they are deluded.

Silence the protestors and suddenly you can do what you like,

if no watchdog is announcing to the world what you are up too.

This is such and old idea. BUT it doesn't take into account modern communications.

This is a man of action coming back to politics?

PAD didn't stop after Oct 7th, when dozens were injured and 2 killed

why would a daily grenade attack stop them?

But the grenade attacks do have an effect on numbers. People become scared and less likely to attend. Street demos in the power struggle do become a numbers game to some extent so creating a fear to attend in ones opponents has an effect.

Yes, and if the stories about many PAD members being paid are true, it will drop off the numbers even quicker. True believers may hang in but paid stooges could go home. The usual Thai way of compromise is being ignored, makes one wonder why.

[h90]

It is sickness. It is group mental illness.

If they think that this will do anything but harden PAD's resolve to

do anything but bring down the government they are deluded.

Silence the protestors and suddenly you can do what you like,

if no watchdog is announcing to the world what you are up too.

This is such and old idea. BUT it doesn't take into account modern communications.

This is a man of action coming back to politics?

PAD didn't stop after Oct 7th, when dozens were injured and 2 killed

why would a daily grenade attack stop them?

But the grenade attacks do have an effect on numbers. People become scared and less likely to attend. Street demos in the power struggle do become a numbers game to some extent so creating a fear to attend in ones opponents has an effect.

Yes, and if the stories about many PAD members being paid are true, it will drop off the numbers even quicker. True believers may hang in but paid stooges could go home. The usual Thai way of compromise is being ignored, makes one wonder why.

Just came from Ranong and there thy gear up. An owner of a Resort, the owner of a gasoline station, not the people you can buy for 500 Baht. True believers for sure.

To my surprise there isn't that shown anger and hate I have seen before.....

[Foreverford]

I'd like to know...where the h**l do Thai teenagers get grenade launchers and hand grenades from??? ...

Certainly, it's hard to know if PAD's future plans for Thailand are the right ones, given the anti-democratic elements involved... But at least, since the original NBT fiasco, they have kept pretty closely to their non-violent civil disobedience approach against the government.

Clearly, the same cannot be said for their opponents....

Sae Daeng who was training opposition to the PAD said that if they continued they would be bombed. Since that is just a small matter he was given a reprimand for doing and saying what he did. He refused to accept this and said that if PAD continued they would be attacked by grenade launchers. This was from the papers yesterday so you go figure.

[HDRIDER]

Hi

Good for the tourist industry, NOT

[animatic]

Pray for peace. Work for peace.

Pray for peace. Work for peace.

Good sentiment.

[animatic]

"Pray for peace. Work for peace."

I don't know. If people stay at home to tomorrow and keep quiet because they have been terrorised into submission - is it "peace"? It would look like peace, ie there will be no violence.

I like the daughter of that mad colonel Sae Daeng: "I don't support everything PAD says, but I feel that if people don't go out and support them, the country will never ever improve".

Quoting from memory, sorry

"The only thing you have to fear is fear itself."

Of course the aim of terroists like Sae Daeng and his bomb throwers is exactly that.

What difference is there between throwing grenades at PAD, and throwing them into Songkla markets.

It is zealots; trying to create fear and chaos in someone ideologically different,

who are doing things in a way they don't like.

I don't know what will happen tomorrow and the severe flooding down here could affect numbers too.

But if the little people stand up in HUGE numbers against this violence against them or people they

believe are speaking for their interests, among others, that is hands down infinitely more powerful

than Thaksin's little call in speech to a secure site statdium or wat.

I'd like to see how many people Thaksin can get to walk into the teeth of grenades

a SECOND time. just to support him...

(Mod's; this is rhetorical, not ACTUALLY wanting this to happen...)

These average people theoretically coming up for tomorrow,

won't be doing it to support Sondhi's cult of personality,

but to support their OWN interests as THEY see them.

Make no doubt on that score.

Just like Sae Daeng's daughter....

She doesn't agree with all they say,

but with way too much to ignore.

Edited November 22, 2008 by animatic

[ray08]

It is sickness. It is group mental illness.

If they think that this will do anything but harden PAD's resolve to

do anything but bring down the government they are deluded.

Silence the protestors and suddenly you can do what you like,

if no watchdog is announcing to the world what you are up too.

This is such and old idea. BUT it doesn't take into account modern communications.

This is a man of action coming back to politics?

PAD didn't stop after Oct 7th, when dozens were injured and 2 killed

why would a daily grenade attack stop them?

Could the PAD them be the ones that are bombing themselves ? think about it ,makes them even stronger ,not saying they are ,but one could not rule it out

[Journalist]

The PAD cleverly emasculated the Police, by putting them in a position where they couldn't discharge the break-up of the crowd for fear it would precipitate army intervention. (especially after the woman was killed by the gas canister).

Unfortunately for PAD, their taking the Police out of the equation has backfired, as now you have these lone guerilla bombers on scooters.

People have to use their own best judgment about whether they will stand in a crowd that is tantamount to cannon fodder. Its their responsibility as adults, perhaps parents, bread-winners etc to make that choice. Its not cowardly for any of these folk to leave the barricades at a point like this.

[jdinasia]

It is sickness. It is group mental illness.

If they think that this will do anything but harden PAD's resolve to

do anything but bring down the government they are deluded.

Silence the protestors and suddenly you can do what you like,

if no watchdog is announcing to the world what you are up too.

This is such and old idea. BUT it doesn't take into account modern communications.

This is a man of action coming back to politics?

PAD didn't stop after Oct 7th, when dozens were injured and 2 killed

why would a daily grenade attack stop them?

Could the PAD them be the ones that are bombing themselves ? think about it ,makes them even stronger ,not saying they are ,but one could not rule it out

gads .. another one

Care to explain how beyond the fact that Chamlong just wouldn't do this ... that the negatives would not FAR outweigh any potential gain?

[animatic]

The PAD cleverly emasculated the Police, by putting them in a position where they couldn't discharge the break-up of the crowd for fear it would precipitate army intervention. (especially after the woman was killed by the gas canister).

Unfortunately for PAD, their taking the Police out of the equation has backfired, as now you have these lone guerilla bombers on scooters.

People have to use their own best judgment about whether they will stand in a crowd that is tantamount to cannon fodder. Its their responsibility as adults, perhaps parents, bread-winners etc to make that choice.

Its not cowardly for any of these folk to leave the barricades at a point like this.

Like a scene from Les Misarable!

I suspect that some police factions are abetting the bombers,

You think the police don't see who goes down

ALL the streets around government house?

These guys no where to go in and where to exit.

So for PAD who can you trust in that uniform?

It only takes controlling one window at the right place to lob these devices.

The numbers tomorrow mean a lot for sure.

How many people will see it a duty to ignore the potential violence,

and stand up against it, to be rid of Thaksin's corrupt influence.

That is the question of the year for sure.

[jdinasia]

The PAD cleverly emasculated the Police, by putting them in a position where they couldn't discharge the break-up of the crowd for fear it would precipitate army intervention. (especially after the woman was killed by the gas canister).

Unfortunately for PAD, their taking the Police out of the equation has backfired, as now you have these lone guerilla bombers on scooters.

Huh? The fact that the police cannot maintain a cordon around Government House sufficient to prevent people on motorcycles from using rifle launched grenades is going to hurt the police's reputation here even worse. It could easily be argued that the police are complicit in the attacks for failing to prevent them. (It isn't as if these people are not a stationary target! Providing security for a moving populace is far more difficult.)

[plachon]

The PAD cleverly emasculated the Police, by putting them in a position where they couldn't discharge the break-up of the crowd for fear it would precipitate army intervention. (especially after the woman was killed by the gas canister).

Unfortunately for PAD, their taking the Police out of the equation has backfired, as now you have these lone guerilla bombers on scooters.

People have to use their own best judgment about whether they will stand in a crowd that is tantamount to cannon fodder. Its their responsibility as adults, perhaps parents, bread-winners etc to make that choice. Its not cowardly for any of these folk to leave the barricades at a point like this.

So now you seem to be arguing that because PAD got tear gassed, beaten and attacked by the Police on Oct 7, that they "cleverly emasculated them" and so now it is no longer the cops duty to protect law, order and life and limb of certain Thai citizens, because they do not support a certain political faction or other. You seem to be saying it is perfectly justified for the police to turn a blind eye to genade launcher-bearing guns for hire hoodlums to roam the streets of Bangkok, picking off people you or Thaksin would rather not see or hear from. That the kind of place you want to live in faux-journalist?

Sometimes I don't know what planet some of you Thaksinistas live on, but it is a cold, violent and lawless one for sure.

[marshbags]

The Nation, November 23, 2008 : Last updated 07:56 am

Protesters form lines at Government House

ASTV urges Bangkokians to come out to join a mass rally at the Parliament Sunday morning.

At the same time, protesters inside the Government House complex are forming lines at 7:50 am, making preparations for marching to the Parliament.

The Nation

Unquote

May you all stay safe and go on to achieve a deserved, just solution to all the violent agendas of the opposition, not least of all to the sponsor of it all.....................Yes that,s him

marshbags

Edited November 23, 2008 by marshbags

[Journalist]

The PAD cleverly emasculated the Police, by putting them in a position where they couldn't discharge the break-up of the crowd for fear it would precipitate army intervention. (especially after the woman was killed by the gas canister).

Unfortunately for PAD, their taking the Police out of the equation has backfired, as now you have these lone guerilla bombers on scooters.

People have to use their own best judgment about whether they will stand in a crowd that is tantamount to cannon fodder. Its their responsibility as adults, perhaps parents, bread-winners etc to make that choice. Its not cowardly for any of these folk to leave the barricades at a point like this.

So now you seem to be arguing that because PAD got tear gassed, beaten and attacked by the Police on Oct 7, that they "cleverly emasculated them" and so now it is no longer the cops duty to protect law, order and life and limb of certain Thai citizens, because they do not support a certain political faction or other. You seem to be saying it is perfectly justified for the police to turn a blind eye to genade launcher-bearing guns for hire hoodlums to roam the streets of Bangkok, picking off people you or Thaksin would rather not see or hear from. That the kind of place you want to live in faux-journalist?

Sometimes I don't know what planet some of you Thaksinistas live on, but it is a cold, violent and lawless one for sure.

Im not a Thaksinista, so kindly don't pigeon hole me!

I was just pointing out the obvious.

Its clear that the police were not green lighted to clear the demonstrations and don't have much jurisdiction over this situation.

Yes, they'll be assigned to solve this case, and some schmuck will be hauled out to face a police line-up. (I don't recall how successful they've been in solving previous bombing cases).

Are they going to do it in a half-hearted way? I've no idea. I'm sure others have stronger opinions about the efficacy of the Thai police force.

[Journalist]

May you all stay safe and go on to achieve a deserved, just solution to all the violent agendas of the opposition, not least of all to the sponsor of it all.....................Yes that,s him

marshbags

In political situation terminology 'opposition' is construed as the body opposed to the Government.

So what you've said here then is that the opposition has violent agendas, and then you link it to some sponsor, whom you demurely refrain from naming.

Now, no doubt the people who read these forums 24/7 will cotton on to what you actually meant, but other fresh eyes will view it in the more logical way.

Edited November 23, 2008 by Journalist

[hammered]

The PAD cleverly emasculated the Police, by putting them in a position where they couldn't discharge the break-up of the crowd for fear it would precipitate army intervention. (especially after the woman was killed by the gas canister).

Unfortunately for PAD, their taking the Police out of the equation has backfired, as now you have these lone guerilla bombers on scooters.

People have to use their own best judgment about whether they will stand in a crowd that is tantamount to cannon fodder. Its their responsibility as adults, perhaps parents, bread-winners etc to make that choice. Its not cowardly for any of these folk to leave the barricades at a point like this.

So now you seem to be arguing that because PAD got tear gassed, beaten and attacked by the Police on Oct 7, that they "cleverly emasculated them" and so now it is no longer the cops duty to protect law, order and life and limb of certain Thai citizens, because they do not support a certain political faction or other. You seem to be saying it is perfectly justified for the police to turn a blind eye to genade launcher-bearing guns for hire hoodlums to roam the streets of Bangkok, picking off people you or Thaksin would rather not see or hear from. That the kind of place you want to live in faux-journalist?

Sometimes I don't know what planet some of you Thaksinistas live on, but it is a cold, violent and lawless one for sure.

The reality is that the police are no longer seen as neutral and are seen as an active participant in the crisis. Talking to just about any mid ranking police officer up and they will confirm what side they are on in terms of a specific name.

This is even more the case with bussed in border police from 3 carefully chosen divisions. Border police in Bangkok always means one thing. Lets hope there are none around today.