Democrats To Form New Coalition Government

[sriracha john]

Petition disputes Cabinet's legality

The Constitution Court will consider on Tuesday whether to hear a petition questioning the status of the caretaker Cabinet and the acting PM, Court Secretary-General Paiboon Varahapaitoon said. Senator Ruangkrai Leekitwattana asked Senate Speaker Prasopsuk Boondej to seek a Constitution Court ruling. He wanted to know whether former PM Somchai Wongsawat's dismissal following the dissolution of the PPP would also mean the immediate termination of the ministerial terms of all members of his Cabinet. Mr Ruangkrai also asked if Deputy PM Chavarat Charnvirakul could serve as acting

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http://www.bangkokpost.com/121208_News/12Dec2008_news03.php

[soundman]

Report and link to overseas news article concerning HM have been removed.

Just because an article is written by a respected overseas media organisation, doesn't make it OK to post on Thai Visa.

No disrespect of the King of Thailand or The Thai Royal Family! Discussion of topics concerning the King or other current or deceased members of the Thai Royal Family is forbidden.

Thank you for your co-operation.

[Plus]

How about deleting links but leaving the name of the organisation, i.e. "there was an article in Economist recently".

[Artisi]

Report and link to overseas news article concerning HM have been removed.

Just because an article is written by a respected overseas media organisation, doesn't make it OK to post on Thai Visa.

No disrespect of the King of Thailand or The Thai Royal Family! Discussion of topics concerning the King or other current or deceased members of the Thai Royal Family is forbidden.

Thank you for your co-operation.

It is unfortunate that it was deleted as I thought it to be a well written and factual report - but rule is rules. Luckily I got it book-marked before it was deleted.

[cmsally]

Anupong and the Democrats

Posted by Bangkok Pundit | 12/12/2008 08:00:00 AM

Further to yesterday's blog post, The Nation also reports:

The shadow of the military hovers over moves to form a new government, which will see the Democrats team up with minor parties who agreed to swap sides "for the sake of the nation."

A key leader of one of the former coalition parties said most parties had moved to the Democrat camp due to a request by a senior military figure, who was conveying a message from a man who could not be refuted.

Besides, he said, all parties knew that if the Pheu Thai were to take over, anti-government protesters would take to the streets again.

Another source said that if Pheu Thai did form the next government, the military would definitely have to stage a coup.

For those interested in how the Democrats were able to enjoy this shift in support, here's how it all began:

On the evening of December 5, Democrat Party secretary-general Suthep Thaugsuban and MP Niphon Promphan met with key leaders of former coalition parties. The leaders included Sanan Kachornprasart and Somsak Prissanananthakul from the disbanded Chart Thai party, Pradit Pattaraprasit and Suwat Liptapanlop from the Ruam Jai Thai Chart Pattana Party, Pinij Jarusombat and Preecha Laohapongchana from the Puea Pandin Party, Newin Chidchob and the now defunct People Power Party's Sora-at Klinprathum.

In the initial stages of this meeting, the Democrats promised that the three parties and Newin's faction would be given the same ministerial quota they had under the previous government.

However, the decision-making had to be hastened when the ex-wife of fugitive former PM Thaksin Shinawatra, Pojaman Damapong, suddenly jetted in to Bangkok later that night.

The Democrats called for a press conference at 5pm the very next day.

But before they met the press, key Democrat leaders namely Suthep and Niphon, along with their supporters namely Pradit, Somsak, Suchat Tanchareon from Puea Pandin, Somsak Thepsuthin from the disbanded Matchima Thipataya, and some MPs from Newin's group met Army Chief Gen Anupong Paochinda at his residence. The only parties not invited were Pheu Thai and Pracharaj.

This meeting would have been secret if the politicians hadn't got lost. So a soldier was sent to meet them at a PTT petrol station, then escort them on a motorbike to the Army chief's house.

BP: Anupong says he "advised" and did not meddle. Is it normal to have coalition negotiations at the Army C-in-C's house? So they were threatened with a coup to switch sides?

Anupong & the Democrats

[hammered]

When/If the Dems get into power Thaksin's passports - all of them - are at immediate risk with extradition and international arrest warrants to come. Not totally the end of life for Thaksin but it will make his life extremely difficult as he will have to think where he can go and how and countries will consdier do they want a fugitive who is no longer supported by local government in thier territory. That leaves him either having to fight tooth and nail to undermine the Dem coalition and right now that looks unlikely to work as it is being reported that the PTP power brokers are not going to release the funds to bribe the hel_l out of the defectors. That leaves as an alternative an approach by Thaksin to Abhisit through an intermediary.

The speech will be interesting. Will he come out fighting, or will he be a lot more concilliatory or will he just cancel it?

[hammered]

Anupong and the Democrats

Posted by Bangkok Pundit | 12/12/2008 08:00:00 AM

Further to yesterday's blog post, The Nation also reports:

The shadow of the military hovers over moves to form a new government, which will see the Democrats team up with minor parties who agreed to swap sides "for the sake of the nation."

A key leader of one of the former coalition parties said most parties had moved to the Democrat camp due to a request by a senior military figure, who was conveying a message from a man who could not be refuted.

Besides, he said, all parties knew that if the Pheu Thai were to take over, anti-government protesters would take to the streets again.

Another source said that if Pheu Thai did form the next government, the military would definitely have to stage a coup.

For those interested in how the Democrats were able to enjoy this shift in support, here's how it all began:

On the evening of December 5, Democrat Party secretary-general Suthep Thaugsuban and MP Niphon Promphan met with key leaders of former coalition parties. The leaders included Sanan Kachornprasart and Somsak Prissanananthakul from the disbanded Chart Thai party, Pradit Pattaraprasit and Suwat Liptapanlop from the Ruam Jai Thai Chart Pattana Party, Pinij Jarusombat and Preecha Laohapongchana from the Puea Pandin Party, Newin Chidchob and the now defunct People Power Party's Sora-at Klinprathum.

In the initial stages of this meeting, the Democrats promised that the three parties and Newin's faction would be given the same ministerial quota they had under the previous government.

However, the decision-making had to be hastened when the ex-wife of fugitive former PM Thaksin Shinawatra, Pojaman Damapong, suddenly jetted in to Bangkok later that night.

The Democrats called for a press conference at 5pm the very next day.

But before they met the press, key Democrat leaders namely Suthep and Niphon, along with their supporters namely Pradit, Somsak, Suchat Tanchareon from Puea Pandin, Somsak Thepsuthin from the disbanded Matchima Thipataya, and some MPs from Newin's group met Army Chief Gen Anupong Paochinda at his residence. The only parties not invited were Pheu Thai and Pracharaj.

This meeting would have been secret if the politicians hadn't got lost. So a soldier was sent to meet them at a PTT petrol station, then escort them on a motorbike to the Army chief's house.

BP: Anupong says he "advised" and did not meddle. Is it normal to have coalition negotiations at the Army C-in-C's house? So they were threatened with a coup to switch sides?

Anupong & the Democrats

Military involved in Thai politics. Nothing new there. everyone in the country knows this. Move on to the next one.

I seriously doubt anyone had to even mention coup. It is fairly obvious the way things have been going. Right now if Thaksin had enough mates in the military we would be seeing a coup as we type. However, he doesnt and others do.

[sabaijai]

Ex-Thai PM attempts to block govt led by opponents

The Associated Press: December 11, 2008

BANGKOK, Thailand: Thailand's exiled former prime minister — still powerful two years after his ouster in a military coup — hopes to head off a new government led by his opponents with a telephone speech to tens of thousands of supporters, politicians said Thursday.

Opposition Democrat Party officials acknowledged that the speech Saturday by ex-Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra could hurt their plans to take power for the first time since Thaksin took office in 2001.

Thailand's Parliament is to meet Monday to elect a new prime minister, lower house Speaker Chai Chidchob announced Thursday, confirming that King Bhumibol Adulyadej had endorsed a request from the Democrats to hold the session.

The Democrats claim they have enlisted enough lawmakers from other parties to form a parliamentary majority and name their leader, Abhisit Vejjajiva, the prime minister of a new government.

"If the voting is held after Thaksin's phone-in, there will be more pressure on defector lawmakers," said Democrat Party Secretary-General Suthep Thuagsuban. "This makes us nervous. It could affect the number of votes we have."

Last week, the Constitutional Court forced Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat to step down and disbanded his People's Power Party for fraud in last year's general elections.

The new leader will be Thailand's fifth prime minister in a little over two years. The country has been deadlocked politically by months of protests by an anti-government alliance that culminated in a weeklong occupation of Bangkok's airports last month that stranded more than 300,000 travelers.

The protesters accused Somchai's government of being a puppet of Thaksin, a former telecommunications billionaire who was ousted by a September 2006 military coup for alleged corruption and abuse of power.

They called off their protests after last week's court decision.

Thaksin is widely seen as continuing to play a major behind-the-scenes role in the country's politics and is still supported by many in the impoverished countryside because of his populist policies while in power from 2001 to 2006.

Tens of thousands of supporters are expected at the rally Saturday at a Bangkok stadium to hear the speech from Thaksin, who has been living in exile in the United Arab Emirates.

Jatuporn Phromphan, a pro-Thaksin lawmaker, said the speech may upset the Democrats' plans to form a government.

"Thaksin is planning to call in to tell his supporters how the other side is using extraconstitutional means to usurp power," Jatuporn said. "After listening to him, his supporters may demand that their parliamentary representatives return to the fold."

Thaksin's supporters have said the army has been pressuring lawmakers to switch sides, an accusation the army has denied.

But a spokesman for the ex-prime minister, Pongthep Thepkanchana, said he was not aware of plans by Thaksin to pressure his former allies.

"He is calling to talk about the current situation. I am not aware of a plan to convince the lawmakers to oppose the Democrat-led coalition," Pongthep said.

Lawmakers already have experienced pressure from both sides. Some found coffins, an unexploded grenade and rowdy but nonviolent protesters in front of their homes after they switched support to the Democrats.

"There are many factors including (offers of) cash and Cabinet seats, and threats, which affect a lawmaker's decision," said Sukhum Nuansakul, a political scientist at Bangkok's Ramkhamhaeng University.

"After Thaksin's call-in, there may be more protests and public pressure on defector lawmakers. There is a lot of maneuvering behind the scenes on both sides but the pressure on the lawmakers might become more public," Sukhum said.

Sukhum predicts the Democrats will continue to have the upper hand in forming a government amid public demands for stability.

"Even if the next government is short-lived, people are scared of the possibility of more protests," Sukhum said.

[Artisi]

QUOTE (Artisi @ 2008-12-12 06:21:26) At the end of the day we / you need to ask and understand why is Thaksin so h_ell-bent on being back into power, is it to reclaim his billions currently on-hold as the result of court orders or is there some other ulterior motive. He certainly doesn't seem to need the cash to live as he please, although this has been curtailed somewhat in recent times due to being banned from at least one country that I know of, and I really doubt that his seemingly fanatical endeavour is in the interest and the betterment of Thailand and its people - so what is the reason?

Even tho your question is likely rhetorical, I'll venture an answer:

Thaksin wants to get back in the power seat because, for a man like him, no amount of wealth or power is enough.

He insatiably lusts after riches and the power he can wield over others. Thailand, to him, is like a grand game of chess. He's also been known to dress in royal robes while he was PM. I know first hand, because there was at least one gargantuan billboard in my town (Chiang Rai) showing just that. Unless it was a doctored photo, it as Thaksin himself draped in royal regalia holding royal-type objects (scepter, diploma, etc) - standing solemnly. I can't recall if there was a caption, but I wish I'd had a camera at the time.

Yes, partly rhetorical, partly tounge in cheek, partly satirical and a genuine question to some - why?

I'ld like to ask an other question. Why is Sondhi ready to spend millions just to make sure Thaksin won't come back? Come on, when people describe Sondhi as an angel of purity fighting the evil Thaksin, it just makes me laugh. It's maybe time to realize that something very personal is going on between these two guys and we are just caught in the middle.

Very possibly there is something between them - although this is probably not the root-cause for the formation by Sondhi et al of PAD, as this premise is too simplistic. This of course raises a further question, if Thaksin doesn't achieve his goals - what does Sondhi achieve whereas if Thaksin can somehow get back and achieves major law changes / amendments in this favour the outcome is very clear.

[sriracha john]

'Red shirts' rally to condemn Newin

About 150 supporters of the pro-Thaksin UDD yesterday rallied in Khon Kaen to condemn Newin Chidchob and two Khon Kaen MPs from his faction for joining the Democrat Party's bid to form a new coalition government. Their fellow UDD supporters in Bangkok submitted a petition to acting PM Chavarat, urging him to dissolve Parliament. Clad in red shirts, the 150 UDD supporters laid a coffin in front of the house of Khon Kaen MP Prajak Kaewklaharn, a member of the Friends of Newin faction. The names of Newin, Prajak and another Khon Kaen MP from their faction, Panya Sripanya, were written on one side of the coffin. After condemning the Friends of Newin faction and Democrat leader Abhisit through a loudspeaker for about an hour, the group burnt the coffin on the road in front of Mr Prajak's house.

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[Pierrot]

I'ld like to ask an other question. Why is Sondhi ready to spend millions just to make sure Thaksin won't come back? Come on, when people describe Sondhi as an angel of purity fighting the evil Thaksin, it just makes me laugh. It's maybe time to realize that something very personal is going on between these two guys and we are just caught in the middle.

Very possibly there is something between them - although this is probably not the root-cause for the formation by Sondhi et al of PAD, as this premise is too simplistic. This of course raises a further question, if Thaksin doesn't achieve his goals - what does Sondhi achieve whereas if Thaksin can somehow get back and achieves major law changes / amendments in this favour the outcome is very clear.

Simplistic?

I see an other reason for Sondhi's actions. Thaksin return would probably means the end of him.

Edited December 12, 2008 by Pierrot

[younghusband]

How about deleting links but leaving the name of the organisation, i.e. "there was an article in Economist recently".

Why bother? This isn't really a serious forum for politics.A discussion for educated grown ups has to take place elsewhere.

[hammered]

Petition disputes Cabinet's legality

The Constitution Court will consider on Tuesday whether to hear a petition questioning the status of the caretaker Cabinet and the acting PM, Court Secretary-General Paiboon Varahapaitoon said. Senator Ruangkrai Leekitwattana asked Senate Speaker Prasopsuk Boondej to seek a Constitution Court ruling. He wanted to know whether former PM Somchai Wongsawat's dismissal following the dissolution of the PPP would also mean the immediate termination of the ministerial terms of all members of his Cabinet. Mr Ruangkrai also asked if Deputy PM Chavarat Charnvirakul could serve as acting

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http://www.bangkokpost.com/121208_News/12Dec2008_news03.php

Tuesday? Mmmm. Here is the kicker.

the fall back if the Dem government dont come off - smash whatever remains of PTP. Of course if Monday goes according to plan there may not be a need to answer this

[hammered]

How about deleting links but leaving the name of the organisation, i.e. "there was an article in Economist recently".

Why bother? This isn't really a serious forum for politics.A discussion for educated grown ups has to take place elsewhere.

There are some other interesting articles around right now that are best not linked to. LA

More mentions of the UK having frozen T's assets as well as the controversial stuff.

[sriracha john]

Security to be tightened for Thaksin phone-in

Metropolitan Police Bureau will step up security on Saturday at Supachalasai stadium, where pro-Thaksin Shinawatra supporters will gather to listen to the ex-PM who is going to make a phone-in to a political talk show. Police Major-General Suporn Phansua, Deputy Chief of the Metropolitan Police Bureau, said Friday that 450 police officers will be deployed at the venue to ensure safety. Police will also record the programme for record, he added. The Puea Thai Party hopes to break up the new alliance between Democrat Party and former government coalition Parties with Thaksin's

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[sriracha john]

Meanwhile... Thaksin still has not "quit"... in fact... pointing out, that this is to be Thailand's New Prime Minister...

Former Thaksin Cabinet Minister and current Puea Pandin Party Leader Pracha Promnok

Pracha released from hospital

Puea Pandin Party Leader Pracha Promnok was released from a Bangkok hospital Friday after he was admitted two days ago for flu. According to his close aide Dr Wanlop Thainua, a Puea Pandin Party MP, Police General Pracha needs to rest because he is weak and is stressed with the political situation. Dr Wanlop, however, refused to clarify when asked if the stress has anything to do with Pracharaj Party Leader Sanoh Thienthong proposing that Police General Pracha be a Prime Minister of

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http://www.bangkokpost.com/breaking_news/b...s.php?id=135345

Edited December 12, 2008 by sriracha john

[Artisi]

I'ld like to ask an other question. Why is Sondhi ready to spend millions just to make sure Thaksin won't come back? Come on, when people describe Sondhi as an angel of purity fighting the evil Thaksin, it just makes me laugh. It's maybe time to realize that something very personal is going on between these two guys and we are just caught in the middle.

Very possibly there is something between them - although this is probably not the root-cause for the formation by Sondhi et al of PAD, as this premise is too simplistic. This of course raises a further question, if Thaksin doesn't achieve his goals - what does Sondhi achieve whereas if Thaksin can somehow get back and achieves major law changes / amendments in this favour the outcome is very clear.

Simplistic?

I see an other reason for Sondhi's actions. Thaksin return would probably means the end of him.

Yes , simplistic - Sondhi, although a major mover and shaker IS NOT PAD - there are many others with the same aim of removing Thaksin and his cronies from causing any further division in Thailand.

This coming Sunday will probably confirm Thaksins desire to get the leadership of Thailand back under his control irrespective of what immediate and long term damage is done to Thailand in achieving his aims.

Edited December 12, 2008 by Artisi

[h90]

Corruption is corruption, and needs to be exposed & punnished, wherever it is found.

The problem is "reponsability". Society is less and less tolerant to corruption and wrong doing. But it can be a double edge sword. Two examples (real):

Small cities in France now have difficult time finding a mayor. Why ? Kids play in the street, one of them is hurt by a basketball loop that wasn't well fixed, the parents sue the mayor. Mayors in small towns can't afford lawyers, so now people think twice before accepting responsabilities.

A surgeon has a very promising cure for a debilitating illness. One patient really looks the ideal guy that can benefit from the treatment. Problem ? He's a lawyer. The surgeon won't take the risk.

Now if on top of that people use the law as a political tool ...

Where is the corruption/vote buying in your examples??

[h90]

How about deleting links but leaving the name of the organisation, i.e. "there was an article in Economist recently".

Why bother? This isn't really a serious forum for politics.A discussion for educated grown ups has to take place elsewhere.

so you keep staying here....understandable

[Plus]

Either he is not accepted in the forum for educated grownups, or I don't want to be a part of the forum where he is accepted as such.

A man without a forum.., it's worse than being homeless.

^

The above is strictly tongue in cheek.

[Moruya]

Questions from a confused mind.....

Whatever happened to Samak's promised referendum on "New Politics"?

Whatever happened to all the promised reports on the injuries and fatalities the PAD suffered?

When someone has been banned from politics, whay are they allowed to participate in the meetings of their political party?

Why is buying an MP not unconstitutional when MPs buying votes is?

Why is a convicted criminal permitted to phone in to a political TV show?

How can a government owned TV channel host the abovementioned TV show?

What is to prevent Screaming Lord Sutch and his Raving Loony Party from contesting in any future Thai elections?

[Artisi]

Questions from a confused mind.....

Whatever happened to Samak's promised referendum on "New Politics"?

Whatever happened to all the promised reports on the injuries and fatalities the PAD suffered?

When someone has been banned from politics, whay are they allowed to participate in the meetings of their political party?

Why is buying an MP not unconstitutional when MPs buying votes is?

Why is a convicted criminal permitted to phone in to a political TV show?

How can a government owned TV channel host the abovementioned TV show?

What is to prevent Screaming Lord Sutch and his Raving Loony Party from contesting in any future Thai elections?

Don't be confused on the first 6 questions - just remind yourself that this is Thailand.

For the last question -it's simple,they wouldn't be able to get a work permit.

[sriracha john]

Why bother? This isn't really a serious forum for politics.A discussion for educated grown ups has to take place elsewhere.

so you keep staying here....understandable

Either he is not accepted in the forum for educated grownups, or I don't want to be a part of the forum where he is accepted as such.

A man without a forum.., it's worse than being homeless.

A while back, he had inquired as to what I meant when I had said he had flamed the entire forum on more than one occasion. This is another example of what I meant. It's not the first example, only the latest.

Questions from a confused mind.....

Whatever happened to Samak's promised referendum on "New Politics"?

I never heard that anything became of it.

Whatever happened to all the promised reports on the injuries and fatalities the PAD suffered?

The Senate investigative committee found the police and government responsible for the events of Oct. 7th. The other investigative committee, the Police one, has never revealed any of its findings thus far or even indicated that they have concluded their investigation nor ever released ANY information relative to its investigation.

When someone has been banned from politics, why are they allowed to participate in the meetings of their political party?

I don't know. It's been a major and glaring repetitious act ever since Thai Rak Thai Party executives were banned from politics over two years ago. Previously, banned politicians, eg. Sanan, tended to fully comply with the banishment or at least be so far in the background that they were barely noticeable. With Thai Rak Thai, that changed into full-on, in-your-face deep and extensive continued involvement in politics. That has continued with the recent People Power Party et al dissolutions.

Why is buying an MP not unconstitutional when MPs buying votes is?

dunno...

Why is a convicted criminal permitted to phone in to a political TV show?

Good question. While its true that other convicted criminals have appeared on television shows, such as another fellow convicted criminal, Charles Manson, in various interviews, perhaps it might be best if the supposed non-partisan, public-taxpayer-paid-for television station not participate in a one party, partisan television show. A noteworthy side reference is that all three of the show's hosts are current criminal litigants themselves, having been charged with leading and inciting a riot resulting in hundreds of injured people.

How can a government owned TV channel host the above mentioned TV show?

See above. Perhaps they shouldn't and should focus on the educational and cultural programs it is supposedly been designed for and paid for by the populace through their taxes. If the Party wants to host a show or if these individuals wish to host a show, there is ample opportunity for them to do so through non-public-funded television and other media outlets.

What is to prevent Screaming Lord Sutch and his Raving Loony Party from contesting in any future Thai elections?

well, there is the Thailand Hippie Party that is already registered with the Election Commission.

Edited December 12, 2008 by sriracha john

[h90]

Whatever happened to all the promised reports on the injuries and fatalities the PAD suffered?

The Senate investigative committee found the police and government responsible for the events of Oct. 7th. The other investigative committee, the Police one, has never revealed any of its findings thus far or even indicated that they have concluded their investigation nor ever released ANY information relative to its investigation.

If I recall right Khunjing Pornthip (sorry if spelled complete wrong, the Doc with the crazy colored hair), should investigate. She found out that the government or Somchai is wrong (or something simillar) and PPP run crazy that she is not allowed to tell such things blablabla.

so after they couldn't bribe anyone to tell that PAD killed themself, all the reports very canceled.

[marshbags]

I,m not sure if a reference has been posted somewhere re info i,ve just been given..................................

An incoming passenger at D. Muang had to wade through loads of " red shirts " who were at the airport today ( early a.m. ), but not sure of the exact time ???

He said it was intimidating and created a very unfriendly atmosphere for everyone.

Anyone else heard anything along these lines, assuming it is not reported elsewhere of course.

but could they have been on their way to the exiled ones talk in tomorrow, by chance ???

marshbags

Edited December 12, 2008 by marshbags

[Pierrot]

If I recall right Khunjing Pornthip (sorry if spelled complete wrong, the Doc with the crazy colored hair), should investigate. She found out that the government or Somchai is wrong (or something simillar) and PPP run crazy that she is not allowed to tell such things blablabla.

so after they couldn't bribe anyone to tell that PAD killed themself, all the reports very canceled.

As usual, it seems we didn't watch the same channel.

First the lady stated the obvious, people shouldn't play with firecrackers without proper supervision. Then she probably received a phone call from the people who sign her paycheck (not the government, it's been obviously clear lately that in Thailand if you want to know who's in charge, the government house is the wrong place to look at. Sorry, I'm wrong. Actually the government house were the place where the decision were made but the government wasn't there because .... It's a bit complicated, no wonder people get confused at the end ...)

To make a short story long, at the end of course it was the Chinese that was responsible, substandard firecrackers. Then who bought the firecrackers ? Sorry, we have no more time, it's now the turn of Carrabao to sing the PAD anthem : "Mad in Thailand".

[younghusband]

Why bother? This isn't really a serious forum for politics.A discussion for educated grown ups has to take place elsewhere.

so you keep staying here....understandable

Either he is not accepted in the forum for educated grownups, or I don't want to be a part of the forum where he is accepted as such.

A man without a forum.., it's worse than being homeless.

A while back, he had inquired as to what I meant when I had said he had flamed the entire forum on more than one occasion. This is another example of what I meant. It's not the first example, only the latest.

Plus's comment is a legitimate tease.Typically you omitted his coda that it was tongue in cheek.

Sadly you revert to type.Your comment that I have flamed the entire forum is a lie.I have said, which is no more than the truth, that a full political discussion cannot take place here and that for such a discussion one must look elsewhere.I have never said that the forum is for those who are not educated or grown up.

I know it is irritating for you to have to deal with conflicting views in an area you once dominated, but that's not an excuse for your lies.

[Journalist]

^I don't think there's any question of the fact that a full political discussion is not possible in a forum like this. The Forum Rules are quite transparent about that.

[TAWP]

If I recall right Khunjing Pornthip (sorry if spelled complete wrong, the Doc with the crazy colored hair), should investigate. She found out that the government or Somchai is wrong (or something simillar) and PPP run crazy that she is not allowed to tell such things blablabla.

so after they couldn't bribe anyone to tell that PAD killed themself, all the reports very canceled.

As usual, it seems we didn't watch the same channel.

First the lady stated the obvious, people shouldn't play with firecrackers without proper supervision. Then she probably received a phone call from the people who sign her paycheck (not the government, it's been obviously clear lately that in Thailand if you want to know who's in charge, the government house is the wrong place to look at. Sorry, I'm wrong. Actually the government house were the place where the decision were made but the government wasn't there because .... It's a bit complicated, no wonder people get confused at the end ...)

To make a short story long, at the end of course it was the Chinese that was responsible, substandard firecrackers. Then who bought the firecrackers ? Sorry, we have no more time, it's now the turn of Carrabao to sing the PAD anthem : "Mad in Thailand".

This is hows you ridicule a report by one of the most respected women of Thailand.

I see now how you can be holding the positions you have.

You are a disgrace.

[h90]

If I recall right Khunjing Pornthip (sorry if spelled complete wrong, the Doc with the crazy colored hair), should investigate. She found out that the government or Somchai is wrong (or something simillar) and PPP run crazy that she is not allowed to tell such things blablabla.

so after they couldn't bribe anyone to tell that PAD killed themself, all the reports very canceled.

As usual, it seems we didn't watch the same channel.

First the lady stated the obvious, people shouldn't play with firecrackers without proper supervision. Then she probably received a phone call from the people who sign her paycheck (not the government, it's been obviously clear lately that in Thailand if you want to know who's in charge, the government house is the wrong place to look at. Sorry, I'm wrong. Actually the government house were the place where the decision were made but the government wasn't there because .... It's a bit complicated, no wonder people get confused at the end ...)

To make a short story long, at the end of course it was the Chinese that was responsible, substandard firecrackers. Then who bought the firecrackers ? Sorry, we have no more time, it's now the turn of Carrabao to sing the PAD anthem : "Mad in Thailand".

yes we don't look the same TV show...

She told clearly that the chinese teargas was militaery standard and not police standard AND it was already too old.

And she mentioned that the government respondsible. She is famous for not being corrupt as well all the others who investigated found the same.

There is no evidence of any explosives from the PAD. And it must even be logic for you that if the PAD would have had explosives at least a few policemen would have been harmed by them. But that did not happen. As well the police showed themself the tear gas grenades how they explode.

Just changing some facts so they fit into your lies does not help a discussion.