Change Non B To Non O With New Regs

[AmorSamui]

I wonder if anyone can offer some advice...

I currently have a multi-entry non-b visa which expires middle of next month (15 months used). I have a half Thai child with my girlfriend whom I am not legally married to, but under past laws I could not get a non-o as I am under 50. With the new laws I undertsand I can get a non-o visa on the basis of having thai child and proving an income of 40k a month or 400k in the bank.

I have several question I hope you can help with:

How easy is it to change from a Non B to Non O at this late stage?

How do I prove the 40k a month income as I usually take from my UK a/c via ATM - although I've had more than 600k baht go through my Thai a/c in the past 12 months in addition to cash we've been putting through the g/f a/c.

Is the income joint or purely my own as per the non-o for marriage? (we've been putting cash into my g/f a/c also to make that look good)

What is the cost of the 1 year extension?

Many thanks.

[ubonjoe]

You can get a one year extension of your non B based upon supporting your child.

To prove income you will need a letter from the embassy for info on this see this page from embassy website.

Link: http://ukinthailand.fco.gov.uk/en/help-for...ng-in-thailand/

You will need to have the 400,000 baht in the bank on the date of application.

It can be either of you showing the inome but it is still early to say what immigration will accept under the new rules. So it would be best if it was you proving the income in my opinion.

It is hard to say what immigration will want to prove your relationship with the child. In the past some immigration offices wanted you to have sole custody which can be difficult to obtain. At the minimum you will need to prove that you are living together as a family. So if you are living with your girlfriend you will need to take her a long with you when you apply along with other proof which could be photos of you in your residence together. But the best would be to go to your local immigration office and ask them.

[Mario2008]

Note that you do not change your visa, you change your reason on which your extension of stay is based. So you keep the non-B, but now qualify under the rules for an extension of stay based on having a Thai child.

[Maestro]

Paragraph 2.18 of Police Order 777/2551, clause 5 applies. See the text framed in green in the attachment but for “In the case of a parent, one of the parents must have…”, which is an erroneous translation, read “In the case of a parent, that parent must have…”

However, it will remain at the discretion of the immigration officer if he will allow other proof of financial means, which is why you should consult with your local immigration office.

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Maestro

[Maestro]

…How do I prove the 40k a month income as I usually take from my UK a/c via ATM - although I've had more than 600k baht go through my Thai a/c in the past 12 months in addition to cash we've been putting through the g/f a/c…

ATM withdrawals and transfers from a foreign account to an account in Thailand are not income. If you cannot get the embassy letter on that basis your alternative option is to show 400k in a Thai bank account.

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Maestro

[qwunk89]

ATM withdrawals and transfers from a foreign account to an account in Thailand are not income...

if you are getting transfers into you thai bank account from aboad why isn't it considered income? so, receiving money from abroad won't qualify you for the 40,000 baht a month income needed? you can't get a letter from your embassy ofr this?

[ubonjoe]

if you are getting transfers into you thai bank account from aboad why isn't it considered income? so, receiving money from abroad won't qualify you for the 40,000 baht a month income needed? you can't get a letter from your embassy ofr this?

A letter from the embassy/conulate or tax payments are the only proff of income accepted by immigration.

Every countries embassy conuslate has different ways of doing the income letter. For example the webpage for the UK embassy that I posted alows for a monthly income or 3 months of bank statements as supporting documents for it.

The US conulate requires no proof because you are making an oath before a consular officer that the information on an affidiavit is true and correct. Under US law that is the only way they can do it.

[Maestro]

Income is earnings, like salary, pension payments, income from investment (rental of property, dividends, interest, profit on security trading, etc)

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Maestro

[qwunk89]

thanks ubonjoe and maestro,

to clarify my siutation,

i receive about 50,000 baht a month into my US bank account as income - then have at least 40,000 transferred to my thai account. will i have any problems getting a letter from the US embassy allowing me to get a non-o based on marriage? thanks.

to the op, sorry for hi-jacking your thread.

[Maestro]

No problem at all. For the embassy letter – and for the immigration office if they want to see any supporting documents – you only need evidence of income. No evidence of transfers to Thailand required and there is no rule that you must transfer an average monthly 40k to Thailand.

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Maestro

P.S. The US embassy does not ask to see evidence of income. They have you sign a sworn statement. Rarely, an immigration office may want to see the proof of income in addition to the embassy letter.

[qwunk89]

No problem at all. For the embassy letter – and for the immigration office if they want to see any supporting documents – you only need evidence of income. No evidence of transfers to Thailand required and there is no rule that you must transfer an average monthly 40k to Thailand.

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Maestro

thanks for the speedy response maestro. great, that's what i wanted to hear.

[ubonjoe]

thanks ubonjoe and maestro,

to clarify my siutation,

i receive about 50,000 baht a month into my US bank account as income - then have at least 40,000 transferred to my thai account. will i have any problems getting a letter from the US embassy allowing me to get a non-o based on marriage? thanks.

to the op, sorry for hi-jacking your thread.

You won't have a problem at consulate. You will not need to show anything. The amount you put on the affidavit will be in dollars so be sure that it is enough to allow for exchange rate changes.

The consulate has an appointment system. It is not mandatory but saves a lot of time because you do not need to take a number. Link to info: http://bangkok.usembassy.gov/service.html

Some immigration offices ask to see a bankbook showing money in and out but not the full amount of income in addition to proof of income.

[AmorSamui]

I wonder if anyone can offer some advice...

I currently have a multi-entry non-b visa which expires middle of next month (15 months used). I have a half Thai child with my girlfriend whom I am not legally married to, but under past laws I could not get a non-o as I am under 50. With the new laws I undertsand I can get a non-o visa on the basis of having thai child and proving an income of 40k a month or 400k in the bank.

I have several question I hope you can help with:

How easy is it to change from a Non B to Non O at this late stage?

How do I prove the 40k a month income as I usually take from my UK a/c via ATM - although I've had more than 600k baht go through my Thai a/c in the past 12 months in addition to cash we've been putting through the g/f a/c.

Is the income joint or purely my own as per the non-o for marriage? (we've been putting cash into my g/f a/c also to make that look good)

What is the cost of the 1 year extension?

Many thanks.

Thanks for the replies.

OK, so extension of stay based on supporting a child on current non-b. My name is on the birth cert. as father and I live with mother and child, etc. I'll probably change the Non-b to a non-o later as I have been told by immigration numerous times Non-o is a lot easier for them to deal with for some reason.

The only issue will be proof of income by the look of it as I receive electronic bank statements from UK bank! Maybe my UK bank can fax confirmation of income to the Britsh Embassy here for the letter as there is no issue with the 40k a month.

Looks like a call to the UK Embassy is in order...

Thanks again.

[ubonjoe]

Thanks for the replies.

OK, so extension of stay based on supporting a child on current non-b. My name is on the birth cert. as father and I live with mother and child, etc. I'll probably change the Non-b to a non-o later as I have been told by immigration numerous times Non-o is a lot easier for them to deal with for some reason.

The only issue will be proof of income by the look of it as I receive electronic bank statements from UK bank! Maybe my UK bank can fax confirmation of income to the Britsh Embassy here for the letter as there is no issue with the 40k a month.

Looks like a call to the UK Embassy is in order...

Thanks again.

You don't need to change the visa because it is going to expire sometime anyway. You are not extending the visa you are extending the permit to stay that you got from entry on a visa or an extension. Immigration is talking about the difference between reasons for an extension not visas.

Yes a call or email to embassy is needed to find out what exactly you will need.

[Maestro]

…I'll probably change the Non-b to a non-o later as I have been told by immigration numerous times Non-o is a lot easier for them to deal with for some reason…

Just so that you won’t confuse the immigration officers: you will not change from non-B to non-O. You will make a new application for extension of stay, this time for the reason to live with your Thai child.

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Maestro

[AmorSamui]

OK, understood. Thanks for all your replies!