lopburi3 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Demonstrators will disperse: leader BANGKOK: -- Red-shirts core leader Veera Musikhapong announced an end to the current anti-government protest in Bangkok on Tuesday morning as hundreds of soldiers surrounded the Government House camp where the remaining demonstrators had gathered. Mr Veera said the leaders of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) agreed to end the rally because they were worried about the safety of the protesters. "This does not mean that we loose," he told the protesters, some of whom appeared to be angry with the decision. Weng Tojirakarn, another core leader, said the UDD would continue its opposition to the government through the international stage. About 2,000 protesters remained at the only rally site in Bangkok, according to army spokesman Sansern Kaewkamnerd. The decision to disband was announced half an hour after Col Sansern said in a nationalised television broadcast that red-shirt protesters blocked traffic at 15 locations in Bangkok early on Tuesday, but soldiers and police were able to control the situation. "The situation at all locations has eased," Col Sansern said, including Uruphong and Yommarat intersections and Victory Monument. The protest was now confined to Government House where there about 2,000 protesters, he said. He said there were two attacks on soldiers in Bangkok overnight. One soldier was seriously wounded. Two men on a motorcycle opened fire at a military check point near Mahboonkrong shopping centre at 11.30pm on Monday, criticially wounding one soldier. He was being treated at an emergency unit at Police Hospital. About 2.45am Tuesday a group of men in a pickup fired at soldiers at Thukchai intersection. There were no injuries. Col Sansern attributed the attacks to "ill-intentioned people trying to create unrest in the country". -- Bangkok Post 2009-04-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marksamui Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 This does appear to be the case, here is another report but there are a few now... http://uk.reuters.com/article/latestCrisis/idUKBKK255431 So what does this mean? Of course it is good news that the clashes have/are ending. But is this a solution. Well seeing as the government are still in power then I would say that it is a good outcome. I am not saying that this government is the best but at least it will remain and maybe now can start to build and repair. If they had overthrown this government it would have caused serious problems. I think this is the best result and now they should work on getting things together and calling an election in the near future when they can do it properly (I mean within 18 months or so). They did not give into Thaksin who has taking a terrible beating now, maybe this was his last throw of the dice, not sure. I think to really bring peace and build some foundations for the years to come the parties need to settle some differences. I still think that giving Thaksin a pardon but not allowing him to return to the political stage might be a good compromise for all concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Groongthep Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I would be very skeptical of what I read in the Bangkok Post. They are clearly bias in favor of the present government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulysses G. Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I still think that giving Thaksin a pardon but not allowing him to return to the political stage might be a good compromise for all concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 More breaking news from this morning (without member comments): http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Redshirts-le...ce-t257331.html Follow the Breaking News here: 1. Sign up for Breaking Newsletter by email: http://www.thaivisa.com/353.0.html 2. Download our Toolbar for IE and Firefox: http://toolbar.thaivisa.com 3. Follow the Breaking News on Twitter: http://twitter.com/georgebkk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I would be very skeptical of what I read in the Bangkok Post. They are clearly bias in favor of the present government. Well you hardly find anyone who can read and write who is biased to Chalerm or the corrupt murder Thaksin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfchandler Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I think the key question now is... WHAT'S NEXT??? Seems unlikely the Red Shirts are simply going to give up/stand down... This chapter may have ended, but what will the next one be? Anyone think Thaksin will surrender and give up? Hardly likely.... More likely... just an intermission...not a finale.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samgrowth Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 (edited) It proves one thing: GUNS win, PEOPLE lose. Never mess with guns, no matter what. Poor people can now go back to their buffalos. I have now remove my red hat, and put on a yellow one. Edited April 14, 2009 by samgrowth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBikeBKK Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 The Red Shirt Terrorists who participated in the violence should be locked up, not sent home. The puppet master, Toxin, should be extradited and charged with high treason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 It proves one thing:GUNS win, PEOPLE lose. Never mess with guns, no matter what. Poor people can now go back to their buffalos. I have now remove my red hat, and put on a yellow one. But you forgot that the red ones shot some people dead, not the army? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goodstuff Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 typical cowards as soon as they realize they have a real fight on their hands with the army coming in the same numbers as them they turn and run off back to their buffalo's why? because they're scared for the safety of the protesters! they were'nt concerened about the publics safety when they were setting fire to peoples houses and throwing petrol bombs! it makes me sick these uneducated people who will say and do anything anyone tells them to do (i.e toxin) for a few baht. the government now has them all on buses to do with what they want why don't they turn all the buses round and take them to ban kwang? i think it's absolutly disgracefull what they have done supposedly in the name of thailand don't talk s..t! in the name of thaksin more like !!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mhatami Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Demonstrators will disperse: leaderBANGKOK: -- Red-shirts core leader Veera Musikhapong announced an end to the current anti-government protest in Bangkok on Tuesday morning as hundreds of soldiers surrounded the Government House camp where the remaining demonstrators had gathered. Mr Veera said the leaders of the United Front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) agreed to end the rally because they were worried about the safety of the protesters. "This does not mean that we loose," he told the protesters, some of whom appeared to be angry with the decision. Weng Tojirakarn, another core leader, said the UDD would continue its opposition to the government through the international stage. About 2,000 protesters remained at the only rally site in Bangkok, according to army spokesman Sansern Kaewkamnerd. The decision to disband was announced half an hour after Col Sansern said in a nationalised television broadcast that red-shirt protesters blocked traffic at 15 locations in Bangkok early on Tuesday, but soldiers and police were able to control the situation. "The situation at all locations has eased," Col Sansern said, including Uruphong and Yommarat intersections and Victory Monument. The protest was now confined to Government House where there about 2,000 protesters, he said. He said there were two attacks on soldiers in Bangkok overnight. One soldier was seriously wounded. Two men on a motorcycle opened fire at a military check point near Mahboonkrong shopping centre at 11.30pm on Monday, criticially wounding one soldier. He was being treated at an emergency unit at Police Hospital. About 2.45am Tuesday a group of men in a pickup fired at soldiers at Thukchai intersection. There were no injuries. Col Sansern attributed the attacks to "ill-intentioned people trying to create unrest in the country". -- Bangkok Post 2009-04-14 Good by RED’s, you surely will not be missed. Now is time to prosecute the people who committed murder and illegal acts. Also is time to pay for all damages from Taxin frozen money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBikeBKK Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 It proves one thing:GUNS win, PEOPLE lose. Never mess with guns, no matter what. Poor people can now go back to their buffalos. I have now remove my red hat, and put on a yellow one. Funny thing is, it's the Red Shirt Terrorists that killed people, not the Army or Police... Red Shirts lose, People Win. Happy Songkran! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 And the first one is out again: http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/14...eleased-on-bail Arisman released on bail By: BangkokPost.com Published: 14/04/2009 at 02:00 PM The Pattaya provincial court granted bail to red-shirt leader Arisman Pongruangrong, who led the red-shirts to break into the Royal Cliff Beach resort in Pattaya over the weekend that led to the cancellation of a summit of Asian countries. The move came after group core leaders in Bangkok told protesters to disperse and end the anti-government rally in front of the Government House. He was released on a 500,000 baht bail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chang_paarp Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I think the key question now is... WHAT'S NEXT???Seems unlikely the Red Shirts are simply going to give up/stand down... This chapter may have ended, but what will the next one be? Anyone think Thaksin will surrender and give up? Hardly likely.... More likely... just an intermission...not a finale.... They all go home and await the next transfer of funds from "someone" so they can all get paid for the next round. Maybe they will hold fund raising fetes, but I think the International TT will be more of what is hoped for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rixalex Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I still think that giving Thaksin a pardon but not allowing him to return to the political stage might be a good compromise for all concerned. Thaksin is a law unto himself. He can't be trusted to keep any promise. If you ban him from politics all that happens is he takes some time and money to built up his power base and before you know it, the ban gets lifted and all of a sudden he's back and we've done a full circle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sheff_mick Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 (edited) I think the key question now is... WHAT'S NEXT???Seems unlikely the Red Shirts are simply going to give up/stand down... This chapter may have ended, but what will the next one be? Anyone think Thaksin will surrender and give up? Hardly likely.... More likely... just an intermission...not a finale.... They all go home and await the next transfer of funds from "someone" so they can all get paid for the next round. Maybe they will hold fund raising fetes, but I think the International TT will be more of what is hoped for. 1) Thaksins creditability has now all but gone in the international community so it will be difficult for him to get any influence outside Thailand Should he eventually succeed before being escorted off to the home for the mentally ill and insane 2) Thanks to the courage and cool thinking displayed by the P.M. his reputation has grown immensely and he has shown that the Government and the security forrces are more than capable of controlling any future protests of a similar nature. 3) The Bangkok Thai have shown their courage in supporting them and also shown they will not stand by and let these thugs. terrorise them or their city if there is a next time. There is no comparison between peaceful protest and the violence of the last few days so please, lets be realistic here when saying what goes for the reds must also go for the yellows. That is the difference in legal terms as i see it apart form other important factors, so forget it. Looking back on the threads re the pads protests and the branding of them as terrorists beggars belief when you compare the 2 sides. The reds had every opportunity to protest in a similar peaceful manner, but as we all know, they are mindless thugs and sadly incapable of such demonstrations They lost it 100% and along with it the support of the outside community. There is a new hero on the block Thaksin, get used to it. Abhisit...Abhisit... Abhisit Thank you Edited April 14, 2009 by sheff_mick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesjdaly Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Ha ha ha!! Go back to your hovels in Isaan and lick your wounds!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angiud Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 The Red Shirt Terrorists who participated in the violence should be locked up, not sent home. The puppet master, Toxin, should be extradited and charged with high treason. I fully agree. Abhisit, well done! (but not in Pattaya, shame!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAERTH Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Just come back from my own long march towards government house. I had to walk from Phaya Thai/Petchaburi intersection. I went straight to Yommarat which had just been cleared. After 30 minutes waiting there was cheering, the reds had surrendered and we were allowed in by the military. I went with journalists from the Nation, Bangkok Post and Manager (Sondhi's paper) whom kindly told the military I was with them otherwise I would not have been allowed through. When we arrived at government house the reds were mostly gone. I watched the disassembling of the site by the few still left. There were still tons of food and water, lots lots lots of water. The people still there invited us in true Thai Fashion to come and eat with them. Even in defeat they were still generous ... I overheard some red shirts still around discussing with others on the phone where to gather next were there are no military ... even when you speak Thai with them they still think you will not understand them :/ After this me and the reporters moved to the UN building to watch the clearing by the military. The military were extremely well behaved and professional and showed extreme patience with the protesters leaving. After yesterday on Din Daeng and today I feel that the Thai army is a lot better and more disciplined than people give them credit for! The Thai people can be proud of their boys in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lopburi3 Posted April 14, 2009 Author Share Posted April 14, 2009 And the first one is out again: http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/14...eleased-on-bailArisman released on bail By: BangkokPost.com Published: 14/04/2009 at 02:00 PM The Pattaya provincial court granted bail to red-shirt leader Arisman Pongruangrong, who led the red-shirts to break into the Royal Cliff Beach resort in Pattaya over the weekend that led to the cancellation of a summit of Asian countries. The move came after group core leaders in Bangkok told protesters to disperse and end the anti-government rally in front of the Government House. He was released on a 500,000 baht bail. And if you read the below report from the same newspaper (yesterday) you will find he was given bail yesterday - not today - and was then taken into custody to face further charges. http://www.bangkokpost.com/news/local/1404...rs-despite-bail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rambrutri Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Great glad to hear all the problems in Thailand have been sorted out . The only problem is when there is a next election Thaksins party will win like the last 4 times and where back to square one. Yellows don't like the result and come out and protest and then army take over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony121 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I agree with Waerth i think the army did an outstanding job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phupaman Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Hi All. So the leaders of the Red shirt terrorist group have surrendered to police, Will they be charged with serious charges, I.E inciting people to riot , commit murder,arson ,terrify the general public. I doubt it, their position and money will insure that they will walk on bail,charges will no doubt be watered down and If ever they have to face a judge it will be a slap on the wrist conditional discharge, Carry on as usual. T I T. Phupaman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h90 Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 yes that is strange. Per logic today 14/02 at 2pm released on bail would override the old news.... Would be interesting to know the real facts. Is he now outside police station or inside???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tominbkk Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I still think that giving Thaksin a pardon but not allowing him to return to the political stage might be a good compromise for all concerned. Maybe but I don't trust that snake to ever stay out of politics. His megalomania would never allow it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitecm Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Abhisit has to start to pour in the money to the north ,central and northeast rural areas to win the heart of the voters that Taksin group had done it for so many years . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAERTH Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 In this thread on the Dutch Wikipedia I put a few of the pictures I took yesterday (at Din Daeng) and today ... : http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:De_kroeg#Burgeroorlog Under the CC-BY-SA license everybody can copy these pictures and use hem, as long as credit is given to the maker (me, my real name can be found under the pictures, please give me the credit) and as long as you agree to allow everyone to copy the pictures from you again (you have to put them on your site under CC-BY-SA as well) Waerth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nikster Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 I still think that giving Thaksin a pardon but not allowing him to return to the political stage might be a good compromise for all concerned. Thaksin is a law unto himself. He can't be trusted to keep any promise. If you ban him from politics all that happens is he takes some time and money to built up his power base and before you know it, the ban gets lifted and all of a sudden he's back and we've done a full circle. Most definitely. A blind man can see that. Taksin had been given the chance to disappear from politics, and he didn't take it. Of course he'd say he'll do it but the next thing you know his brother in law is the new PPP leader under a new party name. It's great that Taksin was tried and found guilty in a pretty fair trial. He doesn't like being a fugitive one bit - as it turns out, it's not a comfortable existence even if you have Billions in the bank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journalist Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 In this thread on the Dutch Wikipedia I put a few of the pictures I took yesterday (at Din Daeng) and today ... :http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:De_kroeg#Burgeroorlog Under the CC-BY-SA license everybody can copy these pictures and use hem, as long as credit is given to the maker (me, my real name can be found under the pictures, please give me the credit) and as long as you agree to allow everyone to copy the pictures from you again (you have to put them on your site under CC-BY-SA as well) Waerth You should have put a watermark on these photos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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