jitenshaman Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 One of the highlights at the gathering was the phoned-in speech by ousted premier Thaksin Shinawatra. DAAD's network in northern provinces reportedly plans to hold activities to mark the birthday of Thaksin on July 26. It would seem that the claims that the Red Shirts being about much more than Thaksin are extremely hollow... and false. That's a fallacy. Being more than just about Thaksin does not mean that Thaksin is not included as a very important figure and symbol for aspirations for people. One may like or dislike Thaksin, but one should respect the right of these people to have chosen him in elections. Especially for upcountry Red Shirts this is whole thing is very much about Thaksin, and not because he "bought" them, but because he was the first PM that has substantially improved their lives, and through his "populism" has created the impression to be there for them (it is secondary that this of course was a strategy and not altruism). Only the lack of vision of Democrat governments made it possible for a deeply faulty figure like Thaksin to be able to become the first elected PM in Thailand that stayed a whole period, was elected again, and would have won at least one more election if he would not have been ousted by a coup. Why should the Red Shirts drop Thaksin, when people do still support him? It is their bloody right. What gives you, or anybody else decide what they are supposed to support, and what not? But that it is not just about Thaksin becomes clear when you listen to the many speaches that deal with topics such as equal opportunities, social justice, democracy, etc. unfortunately, having a convicted criminal, liar, and thug as the mugshot on all the posters supporting the Red Shirts gives them a pretty pathetic image amongst a huge number of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanothercybertosser Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 unfortunately, having a convicted criminal, liar, and thug as the mugshot on all the posters supporting the Red Shirts gives them a pretty pathetic image amongst a huge number of people. Well, and having a prime minister who has collaborated with the PAD in order to come to power, who has refused elections and has no popular mandate makes this government not exactly popular and democratic in the eyes of a huge number of people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 No, it isn't. The claims were false. If he is the "highlight" of a rally, he is playing a major role. He maintains a significant presence to the point of being the main focus and this is something that some have tried to paint as he is only marginalized or a small focus of this group. The PTP is a party in complete disarray since their most able politicians have been banned, and things are only bound to get worse, looking at the miserable quality of politicians left. There of course are strong overlaps between the PTP and the Red Shirts, yet they are separate entities. Thaksin indeed is a major focus of the Red Shirts (i never doubted this), but not the sole focus, as many opponents try to make it out. It does sound like a contradiction to use the terms 'Thaksin' and 'Democracy' in the same sentence, and if looked at from the view of a developed democracy the two are not combinable. Thailand though is an emerging democracy, and in this warped situation, Thaksin does symbolize for many sectors of society 'Democracy'. And that is mostly because of the immense failures of the Democrats. No, it isn't. It's because Thaksin himself CHOSE to make it thus. You're blaming the Democratic Party for what a criminal CHOSE to do. After all this time, the absurdities never cease. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) PTP never had any competant leaders, period, because they were banned before the party was anything more than a start up pending PPP's expected ban. Thaksin being on posters for PTP is clearly a violation of his ban. If they ACTUALLY have moved past him, then he would NOT be a functional icon for the elections. PAD did it's thing and Democrats benefited, some few are in both camps, most are not. Refusing to run in an election is not a crime nor morally suspect. Have YOU run in ANY election past school? Thaksin IS convicted, and if he was here more cases would be more than just pending. That is clearly why he is NOT here, not over the 2 year cakewalk of a sentence he is awaiting now. PPP and Democrats were nearly EQUAL in voites in the last election 100k out of several million is a statistical dead heat, only slightly tipping to one side. Thus an equal mandate. PPP was dissolved by courts for their own actions. PAD had nothing to do with it. PAD was just a barking dog preventing the thieves from stealing the hen house with the hens and eggs. (Prior to night time grenade attacks, forcing a move to a bigger symbol/target... of course. Not saying that was good. But it had nothing to do with PPP being banned and PTP being clueless) If you can blame the Democrats for past failures then also blame EVERY OTHER THAI PARTY for equally "immense failures" over 80 years. Not ONE of them did it either, and that includers ALL the TRT sub-partners and Thaksin's mentors and cronies. ooh oooh I can feel the flames already! Edited June 19, 2009 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) A "Splash Move" has indeed been made by one of the Red Shirts with an arrest at the airport... (but I don't think they had that in mind for this magazine shoot)... Methee Amornwuthiikul Red-shirt Star Arrested at Suvarnabhumi Airport A famous actor, who appeared on the red-shirt stage at the besieged Government House in late April, has been arrested at Suvarnabhumi Airport. Earlier, the Criminal Court approved an arrest warrant for Methee Amornwuthiikul on a charge of involvement in illegal assembly to besiege the Government House during the Songkran riots. Immigration police at Suvarnabhumi Airport arrested Methee on his arrival at the airport after he visited Vietnam. The famous actor claimed that he intended to surrender to police after arriving in Thailand and denied all allegations against him. Metropolitan Police Division 1 Commander Major-General Wichai Sangprapai, prepared to submit a document to Metropolitan Police Chief Police Lieutenant-General Worapong Chewpreecha asking the Chief to consider a bail application for the accused, with the bail initially set at 500,000 baht. -- Tan Network 2009-06-19 Edited June 19, 2009 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JacknDanny Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 A "Splash Move" has indeed been made by one of the Red Shirts with an arrest at the airport... (but I don't think they had that in mind for this magazine shoot)... Methee Amornwuthiikul Red-shirt Star Arrested at Suvarnabhumi Airport A famous actor, who appeared on the red-shirt stage at the besieged Government House in late April, has been arrested at Suvarnabhumi Airport. Earlier, the Criminal Court approved an arrest warrant for Methee Amornwuthiikul on a charge of involvement in illegal assembly to besiege the Government House during the Songkran riots. Immigration police at Suvarnabhumi Airport arrested Methee on his arrival at the airport after he visited Vietnam. The famous actor claimed that he intended to surrender to police after arriving in Thailand and denied all allegations against him. Metropolitan Police Division 1 Commander Major-General Wichai Sangprapai, prepared to submit a document to Metropolitan Police Chief Police Lieutenant-General Worapong Chewpreecha asking the Chief to consider a bail application for the accused, with the bail initially set at 500,000 baht. -- Tan Network 2009-06-19 holy sh#t SJ, I thought I had gone on the Gay Forum by mistake I thought you had started batting for the other side Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 (edited) Never fear... I will always prefer Methinee to Methee... Methinee Kingpayome for his actual arrest, I see Methee was thankfully wearing more than a washcloth... Edited June 19, 2009 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Why should the Red Shirts drop Thaksin, when people do still support him? It is their bloody right. And it is the right of the rest of the country not to take them seriously for that. After all, it's reds themselves who feel offended when they are dismissed as Thaksin's lakeys. >>> Being more than just about Thaksin does not mean that Thaksin is not included as a very important figure and symbol for aspirations for people. One may like or dislike Thaksin, but one should respect the right of these people to have chosen him in elections. Funny that this demand for acceptance comes from people who can't possibly forgive PAD and Democrats for calling for royal intervention several years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Actor-turned-red shirt detained upon returning from Vietnam Immigration police have detained Methee Amornwuthikul on Thursday's night at Suvarnabhumi Airport citing his arrest warrant for involving in the Songkran mayhem. Methee, whose career is in acting and modelling, said he would post bail today. "I have been intending to report myself to police but was arrested beforehand," he said. He said before he took a trip to Vietnam, he had anticipated about the imminent issuing of his warrant. He is one of eight red-shirt suspects in the additional batch of warrants issued by police on June 15. The other suspects have reported to police and been granted temporary release earlier this week. He is wanted for questioning in connection with his two appearances on the red-shirt rally stage. He made rallying speeches before and after the state of emergency. -- The Nation 2009-06-19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanothercybertosser Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Why should the Red Shirts drop Thaksin, when people do still support him? It is their bloody right. And it is the right of the rest of the country not to take them seriously for that. After all, it's reds themselves who feel offended when they are dismissed as Thaksin's lakeys. >>> Being more than just about Thaksin does not mean that Thaksin is not included as a very important figure and symbol for aspirations for people. One may like or dislike Thaksin, but one should respect the right of these people to have chosen him in elections. Funny that this demand for acceptance comes from people who can't possibly forgive PAD and Democrats for calling for royal intervention several years ago. They called for royal intervention which was unconstitutional, and also duly rejected by the king in a televised speech. What they cannot forgive though is the ouster of their elected government by military coup, and subsequent PAD protests leading to the government house and airport occupation. And of course the more than obvious double standards in the judicial process. And supporting Thaksin is their democratic right. It was the Prime Minisiter of their democratic choice. Abhisit though has avoided elections, and has no popular mandate, only a parliamentary mandate that came to pass in very intransperent ways. Labelling TRT supporters "Thaksin's lackeys" is insulting and patronising, and they have a right to be offended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanothercybertosser Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 ooh oooh I can feel the flames already! Forget about it - no flames. Just a polite request to make your posts a bit more coherent. These confuse diatribes are very difficult to follow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanothercybertosser Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 No, it isn't. The claims were false. If he is the "highlight" of a rally, he is playing a major role. He maintains a significant presence to the point of being the main focus and this is something that some have tried to paint as he is only marginalized or a small focus of this group. The PTP is a party in complete disarray since their most able politicians have been banned, and things are only bound to get worse, looking at the miserable quality of politicians left. There of course are strong overlaps between the PTP and the Red Shirts, yet they are separate entities. Thaksin indeed is a major focus of the Red Shirts (i never doubted this), but not the sole focus, as many opponents try to make it out. It does sound like a contradiction to use the terms 'Thaksin' and 'Democracy' in the same sentence, and if looked at from the view of a developed democracy the two are not combinable. Thailand though is an emerging democracy, and in this warped situation, Thaksin does symbolize for many sectors of society 'Democracy'. And that is mostly because of the immense failures of the Democrats. No, it isn't. It's because Thaksin himself CHOSE to make it thus. You're blaming the Democratic Party for what a criminal CHOSE to do. After all this time, the absurdities never cease. Actually, no. I blame the Democrats for not having ever done anything to improve the life of the many ordinary people in especially the regions of Isaarn and the north, which has only enabled the "criminal" Thaksin to be elected, and re-elected, because besides being a very faulty character, he has done more for those millions than any other elected Prime Minister. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samgrowth Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 No yellows has been arrested for shutting the airportS down.. If you don't call this "Double Standard" what do you call this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 Labelling TRT supporters "Thaksin's lackeys" is insulting and patronising, and they have a right to be offended. It's the reds who come to the people and make demands for this and for that. If they feel offended by society's response - it's their problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 They certainly have received far worse names than Lackey's.... and very deservedly so.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 19, 2009 Share Posted June 19, 2009 The Red Shirt-less Actor is bursting to be set free.... Methee Amornwuthiikul Actor Arrested for Role in April's Riot, Granted Bail An actor arrested this morning for his role in the April's red-shirt riot has been released on a 500 Thousand-Baht bail. Earlier, the Criminal Court approved an arrest warrant for Methee Amornwuthiikul for his involvement in an illegal assembly to besiege the Government House during the Songkran riot. Immigration police at Suvarnabhumi Airport arrested Methee on his arrival after returning from Vietnam. The actor claimed that he intended to surrender to police after arriving in Thailand and denied all charges against him. Mehtee was later released on a 500 thousand-baht bail. Metropolitan Police Division 1 Commander Major-General Wichai Sangprapai insisted investigators' actions in the cases against red-shirt protesters will be based on the same standards for the cases against members of the yellow-shirt People's Alliance for Democracy. http://www.thailandoutlook.tv/' target="_blank"> I've not seen it, but it's, no doubt very high brow storyline, it seems to have been targeted perfectly for his Red Shirt audience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 (edited) No flame posting including a double flame... Sweet, but not a new record. Edited June 20, 2009 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 (edited) LOL.... the Red Shirted Dude failed to pass photobucket's review level of acceptable posing.... The Red Shirt-less Actor is bursting to be set free.... Methee Amornwuthiikul Edited June 20, 2009 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanothercybertosser Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Labelling TRT supporters "Thaksin's lackeys" is insulting and patronising, and they have a right to be offended. It's the reds who come to the people and make demands for this and for that. If they feel offended by society's response - it's their problem. Of course - the unwashed masses are not supposed to demand anything. They are to be grateful what is granted to them by their superiors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 They can demand all they want - Thailand doesn't exist for their pleasure alone. It's their responsibility to find ways to co-exist with society. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 Thaksin: Government fails to solve economic problem The Democrat Party has failed to resolve the country’s economic problem because it has no capability and has to share benefits among partners in the coalition government, former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra said during his phone in to the seminar of red-shirt people late afternoon on Saturday. Core leaders of the United front of Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), led by Weng Tochirakarn and Arisman Pongruangrong, today a seminar on the current economic crisis at a hotel in Peektian Beach of Petchburi province. Thaksin said the current economic recession is not as critical as the 1997 economic crisis when he was in office. He expressed confidence that if he could return home and became the premier, he would be able to settle it. The ex-premier stated that the double standards practiced by the Democrat-led administration had resulted in increasing in number of the anti-government red-shirt people. Continued: -- Bangkok Post 2009-06-20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 The ex-premier stated that the double standards practiced by the Democrat-led administration had resulted in increasing in number of the anti-government red-shirt people. Does that mean that there will be TWO million Red Shirts at the upcoming rally? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanothercybertosser Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 They can demand all they want - Thailand doesn't exist for their pleasure alone. It's their responsibility to find ways to co-exist with society. One would think that in this time and age they are not pariah's anymore, but equal part of society, with a right to voice their demands. It seems though that i am mistaken, and in the world according to Plus we still live in an age of rigid cast divisions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 They have the right to voice their demands and the society has the right to ignore them. I believe we live in the age where no particular group can dictate the rest of the country how to live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumnien Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 They have the right to voice their demands and the society has the right to ignore them.I believe we live in the age where no particular group can dictate the rest of the country how to live. Don't kid yourself, they are dictating right now! Who do you think "elects" the government or calls the coups? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 The invisible hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 (edited) Thaksin: Government fails to solve economic problemThe Democrat Party has failed to resolve the country’s economic problem because it has no capability and has to share benefits among partners in the coalition government, former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra said during his phone in to the seminar of red-shirt people late afternoon on Saturday. Core leaders of the United front of Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD), led by Weng Tochirakarn and Arisman Pongruangrong, today a seminar on the current economic crisis at a hotel in Peektian Beach of Petchburi province. Thaksin said the current economic recession is not as critical as the 1997 economic crisis when he was in office. He expressed confidence that if he could return home and became the premier, he would be able to settle it. The ex-premier stated that the double standards practiced by the Democrat-led administration had resulted in increasing in number of the anti-government red-shirt people. Continued: -- Bangkok Post 2009-06-20 Not even in the realm of half truths, nor spin, but a blatant disregard for the truth. Why should he care for the truth, he's on the run to ruin anyway? As if TRT didn't share the spoils with it's underling partners. INCLUDING Newin very much right up front... That was not a "seminar on the current economic crisis" But a political rally used to gain points with local Red shirts. Hard to imagine a global economic melt-down being less severe than the raging Asian Tiger going tit's up for a 2 year stretch in '97. And it was very much on the mend BEFORE Thaksin came into power, he just likes to take credit it for it. Edited June 20, 2009 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 He was appointed Deputy PM or something shortly after baht devaluation and lasted several weeks in office before Dems took over the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 (edited) Exactly just a peripheral job near the top after devaluation, a crisis exacerbated by bad decisions from HIS team as the crisis loomed. He serves an extra short tenure as Dep. Pm., then a long wait plotting while the Dems put the train back on the tracks. And then Thaksin swoops in and takes credit for their tough decisions, and fiscal restraint, that he no doubt fought tooth and nail in the opposition. Edited June 20, 2009 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Datsun240Z Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 It was an inside job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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