justanothercybertosser Posted June 20, 2009 Share Posted June 20, 2009 I believe we live in the age where no particular group can dictate the rest of the country how to live. Very good, then lets have elections now, to see if this government has not just a parliamentary mandate, but also a popular mandate. Right now, i am afraid we do indeed have a particular group that does dictate the rest of the country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 21, 2009 Share Posted June 21, 2009 (edited) *post moved Edited June 21, 2009 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 another Thaksin defamation lawsuit...another waste of taxpayer's time and money... Thaksin loses case against Suthep The Criminal Court on Monday dismissed a defamation case filed by former prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra against Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban. Thaksin accused Mr Suthep, Secretary-General of the Democrat Party, of defaming him by saying in a press interview on Feb 3 this year that he phoned-in to the red-shirted protesters because he wanted to return to Thailand and become president. The court dismissed the case, ruling that Mr Suthep had Continued here: http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/14...-suthep-dropped -- Bangkok Post 2009-06-22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanothercybertosser Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 another Thaksin defamation lawsuit...another waste of taxpayer's time and money... The case was thrown out because Suthep expressed his "honest opionion"? Does that mean when somebody expresses his honest opinion it is not defamation anymore? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Very good, then lets have elections now, to see if this government has not just a parliamentary mandate, but also a popular mandate. According to which consitution? Reds do not recognise 2007 version and the amendment process has only started. Do you think they should include "the government must run elections to recieve not only parliamentary but also popular mandate" clause? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 another Thaksin defamation lawsuit...another waste of taxpayer's time and money... The case was thrown out because Suthep expressed his "honest opionion"? Does that mean when somebody expresses his honest opinion it is not defamation anymore? Perhaps they meant if the statements were factual, it's not defamation... has Thaksin not expressed those desires previously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanothercybertosser Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Perhaps they meant if the statements were factual, it's not defamation... has Thaksin not expressed those desires previously? No, he hasn't, as far as i am aware. Do you have any video or direct transcript that he has said it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanothercybertosser Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Do you think they should include "the government must run elections to recieve not only parliamentary but also popular mandate" clause? God, no! If i may ask for such an inclusion PAD may be forced to occupy my house for several months because elections are undemocratic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 (edited) Perhaps they meant if the statements were factual, it's not defamation... has Thaksin not expressed those desires previously? No, he hasn't, as far as i am aware. Do you have any video or direct transcript that he has said it? No, but then I don't have the resources of the Deputy Prime Minister nor am I the litigant in a failed Thaksin defamation lawsuit. We do know, however, that Thaksin has said a lot of stupid things at his Red Shirt phone-ins. Edited June 22, 2009 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanothercybertosser Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Perhaps they meant if the statements were factual, it's not defamation... has Thaksin not expressed those desires previously? No, he hasn't, as far as i am aware. Do you have any video or direct transcript that he has said it? No, but then I don't have the resources of the Deputy Prime Minister nor am I the litigant in a failed Thaksin defamation lawsuit. We do know, however, that Thaksin has said a lot of stupid things at his Red Shirt phone-ins. Very interesting. No evidence needs to be presented anymore, the supposed resources of a Deputy Prime Minister is enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Perhaps you should look up again the definition of "perhaps"... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanothercybertosser Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Perhaps you should look up again the definition of "perhaps"... Do you mean as in 'perhaps, because the logic behind this explanation is somewhat bewildering otherwise'? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 (edited) Perhaps you should look up again the definition of "perhaps"... Do you mean as in 'perhaps, because the logic behind this explanation is somewhat bewildering otherwise'? No, as in perhaps it was simply an explanation for the defamation lawsuit dismissal. Obviously, the Courts are privy to more information than that which has been provided to us or the media. Another possible explanation, of course, is that they simply tire of his repetitious and frivolous lawsuiting or that they dismissed on the same grounds as was presented in the recent Tesco Lotus defamation lawsuit dismissal. http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/findpost-p2821611.html Edited June 22, 2009 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Surachai surrenders to police Surachai Sae Dan surrendered to the metropolitan police on Monday to fight charges of instigating unrest and illegal assembly. Surachai was the last in the second group of eight suspects, wanted for involving in the Songkran riots, to surrender to the police. He denied the charges and was freed on bail after Puea Thai Party MP for Udon Thani Surathin Pimanmekhin put up his position as Continued here: http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/14...nders-to-police -- Bangkok Post 2009-06-22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Do you think they should include "the government must run elections to recieve not only parliamentary but also popular mandate" clause? God, no! If i may ask for such an inclusion PAD may be forced to occupy my house for several months because elections are undemocratic. So you think there's discrepancy in parliamentary system and the will of the people gets lost in the process and we need direct elections? Do you think Thailand should switch to a presidential system? Is it part of the red agenda? Part of PTP agenda? Or do you want to change the system to accomodate your wishes just this one time, because you don't believe Abhisit's govt is supported by the majority of the population? I'm just trying to find any consistency and logic in red demands, so far they remain elusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanothercybertosser Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 No, as in perhaps it was simply an explanation for the defamation lawsuit dismissal. Obviously, the Courts are privy to more information than that which has been provided to us or the media. Another possible explanation, of course, is that they simply tire of his repetitious and frivolous lawsuiting or that they dismissed on the same grounds as was presented in the recent Tesco Lotus defamation lawsuit dismissal.http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/findpost-p2821611.html 'Perhaps'..., 'another possible explanation'... We seem to have reached a rare agreement here, as i also struggle to find some sort of reasonable explanation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanothercybertosser Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Do you think they should include "the government must run elections to recieve not only parliamentary but also popular mandate" clause? God, no! If i may ask for such an inclusion PAD may be forced to occupy my house for several months because elections are undemocratic. So you think there's discrepancy in parliamentary system and the will of the people gets lost in the process and we need direct elections? Do you think Thailand should switch to a presidential system? Is it part of the red agenda? Part of PTP agenda? Or do you want to change the system to accomodate your wishes just this one time, because you don't believe Abhisit's govt is supported by the majority of the population? I'm just trying to find any consistency and logic in red demands, so far they remain elusive. Of course i wouldn't express such revolutionary ideas, such as introducing presidency in Thailand. I anyhow am very skeptical of a presidential system as it puts too much power into the hand of one man. I just want that the spirit of any form of modern democracy is fulfilled - that the government gets a electoral mandate in addition to their parliamentary mandate, which was reached by defections of MPs, that may, or may not express the wishes of the electorate. There is only one way to find out if Abhisit has the support of the people, and that is by elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sao Jiang Mai Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Things are convoluted enough without asking for the 'spirit' of democracy to manifest. Let's jsut stick to the law for now and see how that works out. And Abhisit is Prime Minister according to the law. Thaksin is a fugitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plus Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 I just want that the spirit of any form of modern democracy is fulfilled - that the government gets a electoral mandate in addition to their parliamentary mandate, which was reached by defections of MPs, that may, or may not express the wishes of the electorate. But electoral mandate and parliamentary mandate are one and the same under current system. If you mean to say that Newin MPs cheated their voters when they switched the camps - fine. But then it was their right under the current system, and they don't have to go to the polls to exercise it. Do you think they should have by-elections in constituences affected by party dissolutions and not only in constiencies that lost their MPs due to bans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanothercybertosser Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Do you think they should have by-elections in constituences affected by party dissolutions and not only in constiencies that lost their MPs due to bans? Far too complicated. In such cases usually parliament is dissolved and national elections are called. Actually, until Abhisit finally got his majority in parliament - calling for elections was his line as well, and only after he suddenly saw elections as not important anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanothercybertosser Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 Things are convoluted enough without asking for the 'spirit' of democracy to manifest. Let's jsut stick to the law for now and see how that works out. And Abhisit is Prime Minister according to the law. Thaksin is a fugitive. That is very interesting. If we would still be allowed to question or criticize the courts, we could ask questions regarding double standards, transparency, and arbitrary interpretation of the law. But as this is now illegal, i won't ask these questions. I wonder when asking for fulfilling the spirit of democracy is made illegal as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 According to the police, the seven red-shirt leaders are in Chiang Rai province, and one of them is Visan Techateerawat (TRT Banned #99), a banned politican and former executive of the court-dissolved Thai Rak Thai Party. more background info on Visaran and his current nominee proxy daughter... Visaradee is the only daughter of Visarn Techathirawat, one of the 111 former executives (TRT Banned # 99) of the now disbanded Thai Rak Thai Party who were stripped of their electoral rights for five years for electoral fraud. At 27, she is only one week older than the youngest female MP in Parliament, Chinnicha Wongsawat (seated on right), who is the daughter of former Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat (PPP Banned # 5), who as a Party executive is banned for 5 years for electoral fraud. Constitution Court Files Defamation Suit against Opposition's Rising Star MPA rising star from the opposition party, who found herself in the limelight during last week's censure debate, now seems in trouble after the Constitution Court filed a defamation lawsuit against her. Deputy Secretary-General of the Constitution Court's Office, Chaowana Trimas, revealed that the office had filed a defamation lawsuit against the opposition's rising star MP Visaradee Techateerawat at the Prarajchawang police station yesterday. The Deputy Secretary-General said Visaradee had insulted the Constitution Court and state officials, violating criminal law acts 198 and 136. Pheu Thai Party MP Reports to Police in Contempt of Court Case A Pheu Thai Party MP has turned herself in to police for face contempt of court charges. Chiang Rai MP of the opposition Pheu Thai Party, Visaradee Techatheerawat, today spent 20 minutes testifying before investigators at Phraratchawang police station after she was summoned for alleged contempt of the Constitution Court. Visaradee said she was surprised by the accusation as her remark over the matter was made within the scope of MP duty, but she believed that justice will be served. The office of the Constitution Court filed a complaint with police, seeking legal action against Visaradee for her comment during a House debate that the court's dissolution of the People Power Party was unfair. If found guilty, Visaradee can face a maximum jail term of seven years or a fine of 2,000 baht, or both. About a hundred red-shirt supporters gathered at the police station to offer moral support to the MP. -- Tan Network 2009-06-22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sao Jiang Mai Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 No one said anything about illegal, let's not be dramatic. But following the rule of law is the first step and more clear cut than discussing 'spirit', when as you can simply see in this forum, there are too many shades of grey for any consensus on such a term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanothercybertosser Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 The office of the Constitution Court filed a complaint with police, seeking legal action against Visaradee for her comment during a House debate that the court's dissolution of the People Power Party was unfair.If found guilty, Visaradee can face a maximum jail term of seven years or a fine of 2,000 baht, or both. No further comment needed on the state of democracy in Thailand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 That's the problem with know-nothing nominee proxies serving in Parliament... they are often clueless as to what the law is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanothercybertosser Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 No one said anything about illegal, let's not be dramatic. But following the rule of law is the first step and more clear cut than discussing 'spirit', when as you can simply see in this forum, there are too many shades of grey for any consensus on such a term. Yes. The problem though is that some laws here seem to be in direct conflict with the freedoms granted by a democratic system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 That's the problem with know-nothing nominee proxies serving in Parliament... they are often clueless as to what the law is. Chiang Rai MP Pheu Thai Party Visaradee Techatheerawat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samgrowth Posted June 22, 2009 Share Posted June 22, 2009 (edited) The office of the Constitution Court filed a complaint with police, seeking legal action against Visaradee for her comment during a House debate that the court's dissolution of the People Power Party was unfair.If found guilty, Visaradee can face a maximum jail term of seven years or a fine of 2,000 baht, or both. No further comment needed on the state of democracy in Thailand. It is so funny. No wonder Giles & Thaksin are better off fleeing the country. Edited June 22, 2009 by samgrowth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 The youngest MP in Parliament, Puea Thai Party MP Visaradee Techateerawat (center) and her father, Visarn Techateerawat [TRT Banned # 99] (right) Puea Thai Party MP Visaradee reports to police BANGKOK, 22 June 2009 (NNT) – Puea Thai MP for Chiang Rai Visaradee Techateerawat reported herself to police as summoned to acknowledge the charge for insulting the Constitutional Court. Accompanied by her father Visarn Techateerawat [TRT Banned # 99], the former MP of the now defunct Thai Rak Thai party and her lawyer, the three travelled to Phra Ratchawang Police Station to meet with inquiry officials amid moral support from a group of the United Front of Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) supporters. Inquiry officials have charged her for insulting the court and police officers according to Article 198 and 136 of the Criminal Code. They cited that she had insulted the Constitutional Court during the recent censure debate on 20 March 2009 by saying that the People Power Party was disbanded because of being victimized by the court. Initially, Visaradee denied all allegations and said that she would attest the issue in the court. Now, the Puea Thai MP is granted a temporary release for submitting herself to police. -- NNT 2009-06-22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sriracha john Posted June 23, 2009 Share Posted June 23, 2009 (edited) The spitting image of Sylvester Stallone during his prime is back in the news..."Issan Rambo" Suporn Atthawong: UDD Leader ‘Issan Rambo’ reports to police BANGKOK, 4 June 2009 (NNT) – United Front of Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) core leader Suporn Atthawong reported himself to police today for the Interior Ministry intrusion case during the Songkran national turmoil. Suporn today traveled to Samranrat Metropolitan Police Station to meet with Deputy Investigation Deputy Commander Police Lieutenant-Colonel Kritsada Itsatripol as the appointment made by inquiry officials. Suporn, better known as ‘Issan Rambo’, was charged for trespassing and damaging properties, assembling more than ten people and inciting violence in the nation in the Interior Ministry intrusion incident during the Songkran national political turmoil. The UDD leader is now on temporary release. once again, the free-wheeling, gun-toting Rambo is back in the news... UDD top leader ‘Issan Rambo’ gets ordained NAKHON RATCHASIMA, 22 June 2009 (NNT) – United Front of Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) core leader Suporn Atthawong or ‘Issan Rambo’ has been ordained this morning in a temple in the northeastern province of Nakhon Ratchasima. Prior to the ceremony today, there were concerts and speeches delivered by many UDD core leaders to celebrate Suporn’s appointment amid more than 1,000 UDD supporters attending the event last night. The ceremony today was presided over by former Prime Minister Somchai Wongsawat [PPP Banned # 5] and was attended by his entourage as well as UDD supporters. Suporn is being ordained at Wat Siri Chaliang. He was given the Pali monastic name of ‘Thanisaro’, which translates to 'the powerful one in position'. -- NNT 2009-06-22 Edited June 23, 2009 by sriracha john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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