Jatuporn: Pm Not In Attacked Car

[churchill]

By: Bangkokpost.com

Published: 7/05/2009 at 03:45 PM The trashing of the prime minister’s bullet-proof car at the Ministry of the Interior during the Bangkok protests last month was carried out by soldiers wearing red shirts, according to UDD leader Jatuporn Promphan.

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva’s statement he was in the vehicle with Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban when it came under attack by protestors was a lie, Mr Jatuporn said.

Only the driver was in the car at the time, said Mr Jatuporn, a leading member of the anti-government United front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD).

He said the government was trying to send out false information. More than half of those who assaulted the car were soldiers who had donned red shirts, he said. Red shirts are worn by UDD supporters.

Mr Jatuporn, who is an opposition Puea Thai party MP, said pictures supporting his allegations would be revealed during the UDD rally on Sunday.

He said accused some members of the police force of serving the needs of politicians.

Mr Jatuporn cited the lack of progress in bringing charges against leaders of the People's Alliance for Democracy over the occupation of Suvarnabhumi and Don Mueang airports last year.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/14...istry-chatuporn

-- Bangkok Post 2009/05/07

Edited May 7, 2009 by sbk

[TAWP]

These guys are amazing... it's like watching Holocaust-revisionists in action. Any fact is used in two directions, and each supports their own agenda. Amazing.

First the police supports the Red (see Koo's posts) and then the police is secretly supporting the government.

First the Red successfully stop meetings and are doing it in large numbers, then it is actually 50% soldiers under-cover...

Unt so weither...

I think the motto is 'if it backfires, blame someone else'.

[billd766]

So according to Mr Jatuporn the Prime Minister Mr Abhisit Vejjajiva is not telling the truth or is in fact a liar.

Yeah, right.

[HagenvonTronje]

By: Bangkokpost.com

Published: 7/05/2009 at 03:45 PM The trashing of the prime minister’s bullet-proof car at the Ministry of the Interior during the Bangkok protests last month was carried out by soldiers wearing red shirts, according to UDD leader Jatuporn Promphan.

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva’s statement he was in the vehicle with Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban when it came under attack by protestors was a lie, Mr Jatuporn said.

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http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/14...istry-chatuporn

did someone read of this or heard of it before? i mean in the thai media? this is actually a big point. but no coverage by thai media so far , (what i have seen)

i heard only two days ago the Democrats bitching about that the red's want show some pics at the next rally and are upset about that the reds have a different view on the things like the PM.

Democrat Party voiced disagreement with the UDD gathering on May 10

BANGKOK, 5 May 2009 (NNT)- Democrat Party disagreed with the anti-government rally on May 10 claiming the protesters would present distorted information about the riot during Songkran period to the people

Personal Spokesperson to the Democrat Party Leader Thepthai Senpong said the planned gathering of the United Front of Democracy against Dictatorship at Wat Phai Khiao on May 10 was to incite people with the distorted information by alleging that the government resorted to violence in the crowd dispersal on April 13 and delusively set the scene of the attack against the Prime Minister’s vehicle at the Ministry of Interior.

...

full article here

governments versions of some of the truths of 13.4. have been wrong and are overall also just plain propaganda. and the media is running lip service instaed of asking questions.

those car smashing scenes are all looking a little bit fishy. almost like a bait or lure given to the reds. i am not saying that have been all soldiers in red shirts. but almost hnd them over a car. plant a few agent agents provocateurs amoungst the red shirts and the actions starts. with the reds more easy, because they don't seems to have such a command structure like the almost paramilitaristic PAD. so a new face don't get exposed. and it looks like a spontaneous eruption and not like a well planned assault.

for me it's not all that far-fetched to assume that it was intention that the reds came so close to that cars.

look at this police car parking on the rally route at G8 protests in germany.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_RPR0nM9W5o all over town heavy armoured (robo) cops units, but on this corner a single, left - alone car. the cake.

intention or big, big mistake by the police.

whatever, such pictures are not unknown to europe, rallies went violent. just take the first of may protests, or the NATO meeting one month ago. burning cars, burning buildings, street clashes , but is that followed by a hugh crackdown, SoE, blaming everyone who dare to protest, silly propaganda show by the government? no, but in thailand yes. makes them much more looking like all the dictatorships of the "Eastern Bloc" during the breshnev "heydays".

[Thanh-BKK]

Yeah.

I know from a very well informed source (who does not want to be named of course) that The Airport Blockade did not involve one single PAD member. Each and every one person there was a Phuea Thai party member and Thaksin-lover who wore yellow shirts to disguise themselves.

Best regards....

Thanh

[HagenvonTronje]

So according to Mr Jatuporn the Prime Minister Mr Abhisit Vejjajiva is not telling the truth or is in fact a liar.

Yeah, right.

right.

Abhisit and the government, they don't even care to find out the truth or to be accurate with their version and do some proper investigation.

short look at the official government webpage of "the truth" of the red protests in the video clip section

http://www.factreport.go.th/clip

the videos are sorted by location. and under the file din daeng flats, they have those two red shrted ladies and one "man" who dragged one of the women by her hair across the road. thai televison and thai newspapers did sell that as "angry resident fights back story" but that isn't true, this incident was at rajaprarop road, an other corner of the town. to locate this at din daeng is not true. meanwhile everybody who is a little bit interested in the events around 13.04. should know that by now allready. except for the government, the wannabe bearer of the truth. they still got it wrong. inspiring confidence - no, zero, zilch & nihil.

because the government isn't interested, they are happy with the half-truth and are more or less scared to take a second look at it. that could disturbs their beliefs what is for them the 'truth' so far. and as additional evidence, they just came up with copypaste nand repeats of the 'NEWS' that had been published during that days. propaganda and not the truth are the governments answers. media war, censorship and so on.

but fact finding works the other way around.

[TAWP]

*yawn*

[bertlamar]

almost every single thai person I know has no interest or desire to hang out with the red shirts, and I personally had a bit of a run in with a few of them blocking the roads as I tried ot get to work.

Pack of thugs.

now I learn that of the large gathering by victory monument, the idiots in Pattaya and the rest wandering streets, are all in fact army soldiers, thanks to TV. Next we will be hearing that the road blocks and the entire ASEAN interruption were staged also, just like the gas trucks (belonging to Chairman Chaisit Shinawatra IIRC) were.

Well that is a relief, there must only be about 10 red shirt supporters in Thailand, the rest must be under cover soldiers.

Makes sense, given that the average fighter for the noble cause of democracy probably isn't a complete knob, unlike a fair few of the red shirts I personally had the nasty privilege to meet.

Seriously, if anything they were saying was true, they wouldn't need parliamentary privilege to hide behind.

Red shirt supporters I suppose do provide one helpful service, by idenifying themselves in the same way those street dogs with the leather face masks are the ones that will probably bite you; perhaps if they could also wear yellow stars voluntarily and perhaps their leader could grow a mostache and a comb over, then we would manage to have all the elements needed to stage The Producers in Thai.

Edited May 7, 2009 by bertlamar

[ThNiner]

Here are the red shirt facts (from what I could gather so far):

1. The reds never do anything bad. All violence and crimes never happen.

2. If the violence+mayhem (Songkran riot), attempted murders (attacks on Abhisit's cars, Suthep's, Nippon Prompan's, his sceurity guard's), murders (at Nang Lueng) have been proven to really exist, they were either commited by someone else, or staged. The reds are just innocent bystanders+scapegoats. Basically, anyone at the scene who have been seen to carry out the attacks were FAKE reds.

3. But, if a dog with a little red mark somehow got his hair pulled by some random dude, then the dog's a REAL red shirt dog and Abhisit must resign now because Abhisit has just commited a genoside against dog's hair. Basically anyone or any dog at the scene who might have got their feelings hurt were REAL reds. Abhisit must resign. The Dem party must get dissolved.

4. And if the reds are found guilty by the court, it means the court is unfair. It's a kangaroo court.

5. Finally, the reds love democracy and they are not fighting for anyone in particular. As for Thaksin? Well, he's just democratic God and never got nothing whatsoever to do with the red shirt protests.

[frodo]

Yeah.

I know from a very well informed source (who does not want to be named of course) that The Airport Blockade™ did not involve one single PAD member. Each and every one person there was a Phuea Thai party member and Thaksin-lover who wore yellow shirts to disguise themselves.

Best regards....

Thanh

That makes sense, and having a well informed source at that...it must be true!

[G54]

By: Bangkokpost.com

Published: 7/05/2009 at 03:45 PM The trashing of the prime minister's bullet-proof car at the Ministry of the Interior during the Bangkok protests last month was carried out by soldiers wearing red shirts, according to UDD leader Jatuporn Promphan.

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva's statement he was in the vehicle with Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban when it came under attack by protestors was a lie, Mr Jatuporn said.

Only the driver was in the car at the time, said Mr Jatuporn, a leading member of the anti-government United front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD).

He said the government was trying to send out false information. More than half of those who assaulted the car were soldiers who had donned red shirts, he said. Red shirts are worn by UDD supporters.

Mr Jatuporn, who is an opposition Puea Thai party MP, said pictures supporting his allegations would be revealed during the UDD rally on Sunday.

He said accused some members of the police force of serving the needs of politicians.

Mr Jatuporn cited the lack of progress in bringing charges against leaders of the People's Alliance for Democracy over the occupation of Suvarnabhumi and Don Mueang airports last year.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/14...istry-chatuporn

-- Bangkok Post 2009/05/07

Surely the fact he was not in the car is old news? TAN (network) + BBC reported this at the time?

[Jingthing]

They claim to be a movement for democracy yet they clearly think the Thai people are so stupid that they will buy their propaganda lies. Stranger things have happened. Clearly the reds (still controlled by the fugitive) are more desperate than ever, in deep decline, and are now capable of most anything. Watch out ...

Edited May 7, 2009 by Jingthing

[HagenvonTronje]

i don't think that it is so impossible and so unthinkable that there have been soldiers disguised in red shirts instigate, provoke or staged a little bit more ugly action to smear the public image of the reds and justify a hard counter action by the government.

(the BP says) the reds say they have evidence. maybe they have caught face on pictures and can identify then a soldiers, give the rank, name and regiment, bring the poof. why not wait and see.

i didn't see so much of democracy behind the argument that everything that comes from the government should believed without doubt and without question.

and a rally by an opposition group should be not allowed, because they don't follow the government version.

and the Abhist government just does everything to cement the first impression we have got and try to keep that status as final conclusion. they have done very little, more or less nothing t o add and provide some proofs for the 'facts'. any experience of the past showed that there is allways something coming to light much more later.

lot's of propaganda and a shut down on the opposition channel. why? afraid of the images they could broadcost.? why?

isn't it easier ti expose a liar if you just let him talk and disprove him afterwards?

edit: add a few lines

Edited May 7, 2009 by HagenvonTronje

[Jingthing]

a rally

You call the violent revolution attempt over Songkran A RALLY???!!!!!??? Nothing more to say to the likes of you.

[HagenvonTronje]

Nipon: PM, Suthep were in attacked car

By: BangkokPost.com

Published: 8/05/2009 at 12:21 PM

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva was inside his car with Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban when it was attacked by anti-government protesters at the Interior Ministry during Songkran, PM's Office secretary-general Nipon Prompan said on Friday.

Mr Nipon said the claim on Thursday by opposition Puea Thai MP Jatuporn Promphan, a core member of the United Front for Demopcracy against Dictatorship, that Mr Abhisit had lied and that the prime minister and Mr Suthep were not inside the vehicle when it was attacked on April 12 was unfounded.

Mr Nipon said about a thousand people, including Thai and foreign journalists, witnessed the incident and they could testify to the fact the prime minister and his deputy were inside the car during the attack.

...

continue here

-- Bangkok Post 8/05/2009

[Tingnongnoi]

what does it really matter whether they were in the car or not it was still a disgusting, violent attack either way

[HagenvonTronje]

mhm, "about a thousand people, including Thai and foreign journalists, witnessed the incident and they could testify to the fact the prime minister and his deputy were inside the car during the attack."

i want just focus on Abhisit in the car or not. i saw the other peoples injured and will that not deny it, but that is another story and need a closer look at it as well, for the details. driver crashed the car by himself into the fence. there are reds who deescalate the situations, the injured dem's secretary Nippon and his driver don't get anymore beatings, but getting rescued out of a smashed and crashed car and thaistyle ambulance carried away on a pick up car.(video) or whatevr happen not topic. and there have been reports of injured persons by firearms, injured red shirts . they are also not topic.

it's only the question the PM inside the car or not.

i had this in my memory as a attack on the PM's car, whereby attackers maybe believed the PM was inside, but he was not. many others in the threadhere have other memories on this, so i recap, where i get the information from abhisit was not in the car. and where that claim he was inside actually came from. did i missed some update of the news.

quick check of the search engine at Bangkok Post ,The Nation, the TVforum:

12.04. Nation . :

"Thai PBS confirmed that both Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva and Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban were not in any car of the motorcade. The station said Abhisit and Suthep left the Interior Ministry before the red-shirted protesters managed to block the entrance of the compound and ran inside and rioted. A series of gunfire was herd when protesters attacked the motorcade ..."

click

12.04. TAN and Bangkok Post (

click

) have reports about the attack on the car, but don't say with a single word that Abhisit was inside during the attack.

13.04. Nation :

"An unconfirmed report said Abhisit escaped from the compound through a backdoor and his motorcade was used as a decoy to keep the protesters inside the ministry. It is not immediately known how he sustained injuries to his arm."

click

the car as decoy, that would be also my theory. same guesswork by The Nation. and there is an other interesting observation "A Reuters journalist at the scene said soldiers initially made no effort to stop the protesters from entering the building but later fired into the air to deter others from joining them." (source reuters)

16.04.: court issued 10 arrest warrents for attacking the PM's car and injure Nippon. (click). with Abhisit inside the car, why the court don't push more drama. attempted murder or at least attempt to damage his health, instead just wreck a car, only property damage. later there have been wanted posters for he attackers, did someone got caught beside rambo? i am not so updated here. someone a link to those wanted posters and how investigation is going on?

19.04. : The GeStaPo Theory

"Sondhi's son said the incident at the Interior Ministry last week when Premier Abhisit Vejjajiva came under attack had been planned "to kill the prime minister -- and put the blame on the red-shirts."

(

click

)

sometimes it's good to do the recap thing, i didn't know that instead of denying or ignoring some claims where the blue shirts came from, Abhisit admit, they are a team of the interior ministry. the FT interview:

23.04. :

FT: Moving on: the blue shirts? - Abhisit: I have already said we should not create a new colour.

FT: Was someone in your party trying to create a new colour? - Abhisit: Not in my party. The interior ministry wanted to run a campaign about protecting the monarchy. So they had these volunteers, blue shirts, but since there is now a suspicion that this would transform into something else. The colour blue, I guess they took it from the flag.

FT: So the blue shirts down in Pattaya were organized by the interior ministry? -Abhisit: In Pattaya was another story. It was local people, volunteers and so on. ...

to search the forum i used 'interior' as keywords, and did a quick cross read scan. didn't found some news article posted that point out and proof the fact that Abhisit was inside. that would make for me a big difference and my assumption is/was that the PM wasn't inside the car, smashing an empty car no reasons for that big drama.

and today i got aware of another theory, next to the GestaPo, the Decoy and agent provocateur. the well planned assassination by professionals theory:.

07.05. asia times:

"Government spokesman Panitan Wattanayakorn said that the premier's inner circle now viewed the UDD's attack on Abhisit's car on April 12 at the Ministry of Interior as a well-coordinated assassination attempt. He says a review of wide-angle security film of the incident shows that men with masks and guns were positioned on the perimeter of the attack, apparently waiting for frontline protesters to break through the car's bulletproof windows."

click

is that Crispin re-twaddles from an "insider" chat with a person who also the government spokesman is, or is it a statement of the Government spokesman. the official version? then shame on me, .y memory disturbed by the Nation and i didn't upgrade my knowledge.

if that is all true what people here of Abhisits words believe, they could be come up with much more better and watertight Facts and evidence.why they rely on that poor cool aid version .

they have more and better pictures, videos, taken from the grassy knoll and other corners. record everything on video and all the time. standard investigation and intelligence practice, the soon to be underground fighter allready on tape. you can jail them or put them under pressure to become a 'source'. and i am sure they have the evidence who brought the gas trucks and also footage of the clashs with the residents. but that dosn't support their the "wild wild red version", that's why we don't see it. and the governments factreport is so lame.

[BigSnake]

By: Bangkokpost.com

Published: 7/05/2009 at 03:45 PM The trashing of the prime minister’s bullet-proof car at the Ministry of the Interior during the Bangkok protests last month was carried out by soldiers wearing red shirts, according to UDD leader Jatuporn Promphan.

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva’s statement he was in the vehicle with Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban when it came under attack by protestors was a lie, Mr Jatuporn said.

Only the driver was in the car at the time, said Mr Jatuporn, a leading member of the anti-government United front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD).

He said the government was trying to send out false information. More than half of those who assaulted the car were soldiers who had donned red shirts, he said. Red shirts are worn by UDD supporters.

Mr Jatuporn, who is an opposition Puea Thai party MP, said pictures supporting his allegations would be revealed during the UDD rally on Sunday.

He said accused some members of the police force of serving the needs of politicians.

Mr Jatuporn cited the lack of progress in bringing charges against leaders of the People's Alliance for Democracy over the occupation of Suvarnabhumi and Don Mueang airports last year.

http://www.bangkokpost.com/breakingnews/14...istry-chatuporn

-- Bangkok Post 2009/05/07

Here we go again pot calling the Kettle BLACK

[HagenvonTronje]

Democrat Party Spokesman says party will not respond to UDD attempts to distort truth

BANGKOK, 9 May 2009 (NNT) – Democrat Party Spokesman Bunranaj Smutharaks says his party will not respond to the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship's (UDD) attempts to distort the truth and to confuse the public over recent political events.

Mr. Bunranaj asked however that members of the press who were present during recent political clashes closely investigate their data in order to provide honest coverage. He said the UDD had shifted its strategy from criticizing the government's alleged bureaucratic polity, to using its leaders to instill confusion and fear among the public. He said that such strategies distorted the truth and created social injustice.

The spokesman said he was confident that the UDD's political approach would not appeal to the public as most Thai people only wish for their nation to heal. He also called for all sides to remain peaceful and adhere to the Thai Constitution during the UDD's rally tomorrow. Mr. Bunranaj added further that the Democrat party was ready to cooperate in reforming Thailand's political system and support democracy through the efforts of its 195 party branch offices nationwide.

-- NNT 9 May 2009

article here

[HagenvonTronje]

Democrat Party Spokesman says party will not respond to UDD attempts to distort truth

BANGKOK, 9 May 2009 (NNT) – Democrat Party Spokesman Bunranaj Smutharaks says his party will not respond to the United Front of Democracy Against Dictatorship's (UDD) attempts to distort the truth and to confuse the public over recent political events.

...

UPDATE:

Democrat spokesman shows evidence to confirm PM’s presence in attacked car

BANGKOK, 10 May 2009 (NNT) – Spokesman of the Democrat Party Thepthai Senpong insisted that the Prime Minister was inside his car while being attacked by the United Front of Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD) protesters at the Interior Ministry on April 12.

At a press conference today, Mr. Thepthai presented photographic evidence to confirm that Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva was present in the vehicle attacked by the protesters in his attempt to counter claims made by Puea Thai MP and UDD leader Jatuporn Prompan. He stated that Mr. Jatuporn might have been mistaken since the prime minister's vehicle was a dark blue Mercedez-Benz, which was similar to those of his entourage but was different in the fact that it was bullet-proof while the others were not.

After the issue had been clarified, the spokesman urged the UDD core leader not to deliver statements related to the matter at the UDD rally scheduled this evening near Phai Khiew Temple in Don Mueang distric

-- NNT 10 May 2009

article here

[churchill]

BANGKOK - AROUND 10,000 Thai protesters rallied in Bangkok on Sunday, police said, in the biggest rally against the government since the military cracked down on violent demonstrations a month ago.

The red-shirted supporters of Thaksin Shinawatra, the fugitive former prime minister, cheered when several leaders who were recently freed on bail after being arrested for inciting the riots appeared on stage.

The so-called 'Red Shirts' forced the cancellation of a Asian summit last month and then rampaged through the capital, leaving two people dead and 123 injured, prompting current premier Abhisit Vejjajiva to declare emergency rule.

Opposition legislator Jatuporn Prompan told the protesters gathered in pouring rain on the outskirts of the city that they would 'catch Abhisit's lies", raising a cheer from the crowd.

He said they had a video which disproved Abhisit's recent claim that he was in a car which was attacked by protesters during the Bangkok riots, an incident the prime minister said had made him fear for his life.

Mr Jatuporn said the footage showed that British-born Abhisit was in another vehicle at the time.

Thousands of 'Red Shirts' staged a three-week sit-in outside Abhisit's offices in Bangkok from late March before moving to the resort town of Pattaya to derail the summit of Asian leaders there on April 11.

Protesters clashed with security forces in Bangkok over the following two days but finally dispersed after troops surrounded them and threatened to move them by force.

Thai authorities detained several protest leaders and issued an arrest warrant for Thaksin, who was ousted in a military coup in 2006 and is now living abroad to avoid a jail term for corruption.

Mr Abhisit lifted the state of emergency on April 24. Troops were however deployed on the streets of Bangkok this week to prevent protests when Asian ministers met to discuss the threat of swine flu. -- AFP

http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNew...ory_374903.html

[Cayenne]

Opposition legislator Jatuporn Prompan told the protesters gathered in pouring rain on the outskirts of the city that they would 'catch Abhisit's lies", raising a cheer from the crowd.

He said they had a video which disproved Abhisit's recent claim that he was in a car which was attacked by protesters during the Bangkok riots, an incident the prime minister said had made him fear for his life.

Mr Jatuporn said the footage showed that British-born Abhisit was in another vehicle at the time.

So did anyone see this "footage"? Why not simply upload it on Youtube so the rest of the world can see it? Oh wait, I know, because he is afraid that us "educated elite" can see through the poorly hacked job of video editing done on the clip.

[HagenvonTronje]

So did anyone see this "footage"? Why not simply upload it on Youtube so the rest of the world can see it? Oh wait, I know, because he is afraid that us "educated elite" can see through the poorly hacked job of video editing done on the clip.

i didn't saw it, but i am waiting. i didn't saw Abhisit in that car, he claimed to have been, either. did you saw him there`are one of the thousand people, including Thai and foreign journalists, witnessed the incident and they could testify to the fact the prime minister and his deputy were inside the car during the attack. did you take a pic? please upload here.

and if i get only get wind of it after some government official denies something, than had the media failed to deliver me all the information about the foreplay.

and if you look above, there i pointed out a few points where the government makes false statements, but that and the situation with the thai media at all, seems the wannabe "educated" not to disturb.

there is also no update on that Government page, that claimed to explain it all http://www.factreport.go.th/event/3

[frodo]

Given the fact that Jatuporn has telling the press all week the video would be shown this evening and refused to deliver, and much like his paymaster, it's all talk and nothing more. It's a little too late. Jatuporn this evening has proved himself a liar and has zero credibility.

[abdulrahman]

So did anyone see this "footage"? Why not simply upload it on Youtube so the rest of the world can see it? Oh wait, I know, because he is afraid that us "educated elite" can see through the poorly hacked job of video editing done on the clip.

i didn't saw it, but i am waiting. i didn't saw Abhisit in that car, he claimed to have been, either. did you saw him there`are one of the thousand people, including Thai and foreign journalists, witnessed the incident and they could testify to the fact the prime minister and his deputy were inside the car during the attack. did you take a pic? please upload here.

and if i get only get wind of it after some government official denies something, than had the media failed to deliver me all the information about the foreplay.

and if you look above, there i pointed out a few points where the government makes false statements, but that and the situation with the thai media at all, seems the wannabe "educated" not to disturb.

there is also no update on that Government page, that claimed to explain it all http://www.factreport.go.th/event/3

A Troll? NO,a Stooge!

[HagenvonTronje]

Given the fact that Jatuporn has telling the press all week the video would be shown this evening and refused to deliver, and much like his paymaster, it's all talk and nothing more. It's a little too late. Jatuporn this evening has proved himself a liar and has zero credibility.

no, Jatuporn told the press nothing, just the Dems start to make denies about what Jatuporn want to tell i know abot this issue. or can you forward me to some media apperence where Jatuporn told himself what he is up too?

Channel 3 clip from the rally, they show something from that VCD by the reds. the whole youtube clip isn't good quality. but one thing is for sure, i didn't see Abhisit sitting in that car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3x9Hf3VXew

[frodo]

Given the fact that Jatuporn has telling the press all week the video would be shown this evening and refused to deliver, and much like his paymaster, it's all talk and nothing more. It's a little too late. Jatuporn this evening has proved himself a liar and has zero credibility.

no, Jatuporn told the press nothing, just the Dems start to make denies about what Jatuporn want to tell i know abot this issue. or can you forward me to some media apperence where Jatuporn told himself what he is up too?

Channel 3 clip from the rally, they show something from that VCD by the reds. the whole youtube clip isn't good quality. but one thing is for sure, i didn't see Abhisit sitting in that car.

I'll take the Bangkok Post as being much more accurate, thank you. He obviously stated it somewhere. Don't care if it was in the press or the top of a mountain. The fact is he made the statement and failed to deliver his promise. Jatuporn is nothing but a liar and his words have proven that already. Nuff said.

7/05/2009

The trashing of the prime minister's bullet-proof car at the Ministry of the Interior during the Bangkok protests last month was carried out by soldiers wearing red shirts, according to UDD leader Jatuporn Promphan.

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva's statement he was in the vehicle with Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban when it came under attack by protestors was a lie, Mr Jatuporn said.

Only the driver was in the car at the time, said Mr Jatuporn , a leading member of the anti-government United front for Democracy against Dictatorship (UDD).

He said the government was trying to send out false information. More than half of those who assaulted the car were soldiers who had donned red shirts, he said. Red shirts are worn by UDD supporters.

Mr Jatuporn, who is an opposition Puea Thai party MP, said pictures supporting his allegations would be revealed during the UDD rally on Sunday.

He said accused some members of the police force of serving the needs of politicians.

Mr Jatuporn cited the lack of progress in bringing charges against leaders of the People's Alliance for Democracy over the occupation of Suvarnabhumi and Don Mueang airports last year.

Reason for edit: Removed video

Edited May 10, 2009 by frodo

[HagenvonTronje]

I'll take the Bangkok Post as being much more accurate, thank you. He obviously stated it somewhere. Don't care if it was in the press or the top of a mountain. The fact is he made the statement and failed to deliver his promise. Jatuporn is nothing but a liar and his words have proven that already. Nuff said.

7/05/2009

okay, for you is that one Bangkok Post article "he was telling it the press all week". underline, font size 3, bold, and all in red don't multiple that single 'NEWS'. why don't stay with the facts? and When and Where told Jutroporn that the Bangkok Post?

so that was breaking news on 7/05/2009 at 03:45 PM for the bangkok post.

2 days before i heard this thisfrom the government 05/05/2009: Democrat Party voiced disagreement with the UDD gathering on May 10: Democrat Party disagreed with the anti-government rally on May 10 claiming the protesters would present distorted information about the riot during Songkran period to the people (NNT)

no counter evidence, just the demand, that the UDD should not hold a rally.

08/05/2009. Democrats deny: Mr Nipon said about a thousand people, including Thai and foreign journalists, witnessed the incident and they could testify to the fact the prime minister and his deputy were inside the car during the attack. (Bangkk Post)

The Nation had this not before the 09/05/2009 and only as PM denied news: "He said he was surprised that the Democratic Alliance Against Dictatorship (DAAD) leaders had distorted the facts surrounding what happened on those days despite ample evidence that he was facing a life-threatening situation." (The Nation)

The Government had enough time to bring their counter evidence thousand people,, ample evidence and so on. did they, no. but as the self declared keeper of the truth, it would have been an easy task for them. did you take the time and had a look what the government has as evidence? the video on http://www.factreport.go.th/event/3 ?

furthermore i doubt there is accurancy in the reports of Bangkok Post and The Nation.

then the funny thing hereby is, that both papers, before never reported that Abhisit was in the car. the opposite, both newspaper, same as a couple of international outfits "thousand people, including Thai and foreign journalists, witnessed the incident" published as their news that Abhisit was not in that car. i posted an entry to the timeline how the news poped up before. look above.

if now, a while later, one of the opposition MP tells the same it's suddendly a lie.

facepalm

the big outcry for evidence... was it delivered by the governement. their Fact page is still false in a couple of points. is the thai media anyhow interessted on that case and does some quality reports, ask questions, explains the thing and so on like a newspaper should do- no. it's a sad case of very poor reporting and media coverage. that should you make angry (if you can not laugh about it)

and did you saw Abhisit in that car? i didn't saw him. i saw only a cheap montage on www.factreport.go.th (but i can not direct link, because of the silly design of that page.)

anyway, now Abhisit have to come forward and give the proof that he was inside. will we see something? who knows. my bet is on- we will never see a clip, video that shows Abhisit inside.

[HagenvonTronje]

the channel 3 report in better quality and little bit longer. it includes also Abhisits version. not a convincing evidence that he was in that car.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pNYYgykzbWE

[HagenvonTronje]

Unanswered questions about attack on PM

By [email protected]

Published on May 12, 2009

The question raised most often after the recent riots at the Interior Ministry on April 12 is whether Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva was really in his bulletproof Mercedes or not. This column may not provide you the answer, but at least it purports to tell you how the incident unfolded.

It all started before noon that day when key leaders of the Democrat-led coalition had a meeting at the house of PM's secretary-general Niphon Promphan. A decision was made at the meeting to declare a state of emergency in Bangkok and its adjacent areas and someone suggested that the premier make the announcement at the Interior Ministry. While heading to the ministry, Natural Resources and Environment Minister Suwit Khunkitti called Niphon and asked him to be careful as he had noticed unusual movement by the red shirts.

There is still no proof, as suggested by some sources, whether Newin Chidchob was trying to trap Abhisit but doubts have been raised why the Interior Ministry was chosen as the command centre.

While probing the sequence of events, I got some interesting information. Someone attending the meeting admitted to me that they were confident about the premier's safety because Newin's brother Saksayam had guaranteed that he could control the situation. Saksayam is head of a working group with Interior Minister Chaovarat Chanweerakul. But the riot at the ministry was a failure for Saksayam. Hundreds of red-shirt protesters attacked Abhisit's Mercedes and Niphon's BMW while they were leaving the compound.

It was probably an unlucky day for the premier. He should have been able to leave in his car before the attack but for a technical error during his declaration of the state of emergency. When Abhisit had finished reading half his statement, he was informed that his speech was not on air yet. This required him to re-read his statement. But for that glitch, the premier should have left the ministry earlier, before the red shirts could mobilise more protesters. However, it remains a mystery whether the technical error was part of a plot or purely an accident.

Fortunately, the premier was in the bulletproof car and his life was saved. Had his driver been delayed in leaving the place, the premier might have faced the same fate as his secretary-general as the Mercedes started to crack after the attack. Unfortunately, Niphon found himself in a worse situation than Abhisit. He declined to sit in the Mercedes with the premier and Deputy PM Suthep Thaugsuban despite being urged by one of the PM's guards. Niphon was quite optimistic. He did not expect the kind of violence that happened.

The attack was the worst incident Niphon had ever encountered. He even thought for a moment he might die because of the damage to the car and his own injury. Niphon was helped out by a policeman, who disguised himself as a red-shirted protester. The man yelled that Niphon had a broken rib so the protesters allowed him out of the scene. The secretary-general later was sent to a hospital.

During his physical examination, he received a phone call from "a high-ranking figure" asking Niphon to meet him immediately. Niphon then left the hospital without paying the bill.

-- The Nation May 12, 2009

article here