Immigration Blacklist

[jamesjdaly]

Before I kick off, I would appreciate that posters be helpful, constructive and without snide remarks, please!!

My friend is currently on remand in Klong Prem Special prison and is to be extradited back to Britain later this month. I will not reveal the nature of his charge, but I am confident in saying that it is relatively minor. It is not murder, rape, physical attack nor child sex related.

He is asking you (via me) the following:

1. Is it possible to find out if he is on the immigration blacklist as a persona non grata after his departure? (Maybe his pp will be stamped thus on departure?)

2. Is it .... ahem ...possible... to get his name taken off this list should it appear?

3. If so, who should a third party approach to remove it?

Basically, he is assuming that once you're on the list, that's it....goodbye and goodnight to his wife and life in LoS.

Any help is appreciated and on his behalf, I thank all posters who can offer any info.

Thanks

Edit: The British embassy are pathetically useless (his words, not mine). In the 6 months he's been on remand, they've visited him once. His wife is looking to apply for a visa to visit him in the UK prison and was told by the embassy officer handling her husband's case that he would not give her an application form (VAF1), but to get it from the visa centre in Rajadamri. She went there and was told to go to a computer shop and print it out!!

There's service and compassion for you.

[merijn]

If it is relative minor charge he should not have a problem.

Only serious charged people get a red stamp in there passport.

If he wants to pay it safe, apply for a new passport when he is back in the UK.

In this way it will be easier to get back into the country without attracting suspicion at the border.

I don’t think it will be ( easy ) possible to reverse a red stamp when you have one.

[ubonjoe]

It is hard to say if he will be on the black list or not.

If he has not been convicted of a crime and been imprisoned for it in Thailand and then been deported at Thai goverment expense he might not be. He can even be put on the list for the crime in the UK or be denied entry.

It will take a lawyer or somebody with contacts at immigration to find out if he is on the list.

Getting off the list if he is put on it can be done I am sure but it would take legal action to get it done. Again it would take a good lawyer.

This webpage on the MFA website has some info on reasons they can keep a person from entering the country.

http://www.mfa.go.th/web/2482.php?id=2487

The visa for his wife is a topic for the other visa forum. But from what little I know about it they don't have the forms at embassy anymore. A download of the form is the normal way of getting it now. For settlement visas the only way to apply is online now. Also unless she has her own assets she would need a sponsor to get a visa.

[brownlegs]

If you want 'help' or 'compassion' from a British embassy then you had better ask for a dictionary because that is only place you will find such things there.............

However, what some people regard as a minor crime, other people, including the Thai authorities, might regard as a serious crime. If it was a drug crime, even dope, then I expect he will have difficulty getting back in. But if it was a crime of drunken violence then he will probably be allright. But why would anyone want to come back to a country that had imprisoned him for a minor crime?

[jamesjdaly]

He was remanded in custody at the request of the British embassy to face charges back home pending extradition. It's the Brits keeping him here and not the Thais!

[antony77]

He was remanded in custody at the request of the British embassy to face charges back home pending extradition. It's the Brits keeping him here and not the Thais!

He must have committed a serious enough offense in the UK for them to ask for his extradition

so Thailand should not allow such people to come back here.

[Just1Voice]

If the UK requested his extradition, then he's facing some serious charges back there for Thailand to snatch him up and hold him. If he's convicted of a crime back there, especially a felony, he could have trouble getting back into Thailand later on. Although not necessarily, as other convicted felons from other countries have come here with no problems. Right now I think the important thing is the charges he's facing back in the U.K.

[Mario2008]

Ubonjoe alreeady hot the nail on its head. it is impossible to tell whether he will be allowed to return without knowing the charge.

Normaly governements don't know if and for what someone is convicted in another country. This will be a case where it is different and Thailand knows about this persons. An important factor is for what he will be convicted, as the Thai government will consider the case based on if he is deemed a risk to the a public danger or not.

Take the Garry Glitter case, because of the publicity the Thai government knew about it and rightly considered him a danger to the general public and denied him entry.

See link provided by Ubonjoe: http://www.mfa.go.th/web/2482.php?id=2487

reasons for denying entry:

(6) Having been imprisoned by judgment of the Thai Court; or by lawful injunction or judgment of the Court of a foreign country, except for when the penalty is for a petty offence, or negligence, or is provided for as an exception by the Ministerial Regulations.

(7) Having behaviour which could cause possible danger to the public; or having the likelihood of being a nuisance or constituting any violence to the peace, safety and security of the public or to the security of the nation; or being under warrant of arrest by competent officials of foreign governments.

Normaly that someone has a Thai wife should work in their favour.

[jamesjdaly]

Thanks to all for your informative and honest answers. I will pass all on to him on my next visit.

[dynabob]

If you want 'help' or 'compassion' from a British embassy then you had better ask for a dictionary because that is only place you will find such things there.............

However, what some people regard as a minor crime, other people, including the Thai authorities, might regard as a serious crime. If it was a drug crime, even dope, then I expect he will have difficulty getting back in. But if it was a crime of drunken violence then he will probably be allright. But why would anyone want to come back to a country that had imprisoned him for a minor crime?

have to disagree ,if you are irish 56,bad heart ,vigara for 3 day's and drop dead in pattaya they are very helpful.FOR REAL