Ageing And Natural Degenerating Processes

[marshbags]

I used to have a close friend who sadly passed away last year who was a few years older than myself.

He was a wonderful source of information relating to the usual degeneration we all can experience as we get older.

Whenever i had a bit of pain or other things related to being older, I could ask him if he had similar experiences at my age.

This was usually to do with memory loss, aches and pains and the old body gradually slowing down.

Are there any members who wish to contribute to this thread via general discussion and question and answer comparisons.

I am a reasonably fit 65 year old and have noticed minor changes taking place since passing 60.

I take regular exercise which includes walking, circuit training exercise relating to fitness and strength daily, and try to eat sensibly.

( At home and not in a gym as I did when I was younger )

My wife says i am looking thinner but, as I always do every few days, I get on the scales and while i,ve lost 2-3 kilos still keep my weight consistant and around 70-72 kilos. (160 lbs )

I am 174 cm tall ( 5 foot 8 iches ) height wise

There must be members who are wondering if their health in old age is a natural progression and may find it reassuring to know if indeed their circumstances are naturally related as such and what to expect as we get older.

We could also share what we do to keep our bodies in good condition and continue enjoying life in our later years.

Please keep any posting non sexual as other threads cover most of these problems in great informative detail.

Thank you for any imput and comparisons that are of interest and could be helpful and reassuring for all who are in this age group.

marshbags

Edited June 25, 2009 by marshbags

[Shotime]

Enjoy whatever age you are now cause you may not make 50.

As far as what to expect. More of the same, only it smells worse.

[billzant]

Dear Marshbags,

I too find the thought of this thread interesting but am not sure what I have to offer will help.

I retired early from teaching at 54, and came to live in Thailand. I found far too many aspects of teaching (the least being the kids) very stressful so had hoped to see a marked improvement in my health and weight. After a year of retirement I started to suffer from GERD (bringing up bile when I lay down to sleep), and on the advice of a doctor at a Natural Health Centre in Bangkok began a diet of natural foods. I now follow a macrobiotic diet, and my health is much better although not 100%; the GERD symptoms have gone.

Unlike yourself I was much overweight. At 6 foot I am sure my weight was over 100kg at 54, now at 57 my weight is down at low 80s - still a small amount overweight. As to exercise I don't do as much as you; I try to go walking most days, do a few exercises to help my neck and shoulders, and do chi gung at the same time. I also have a weekly massage.

You say you eat sensibly. I thought I was eating sensibly and then was told to eat these natural foods. As soon as that happened I began to release toxins from my body as part of a healing process. Initially the diet was the key to my improvng health, but now it is diet, chi gung and exercise.

My health still concerns me but I now have a greater confidence that the body can cope with what old age has to throw at it.

Hope you are keeping well,

All the Best,

BillZ

http://ginsukapaapdee.wordpress.com/

[HenryVIII]

Enjoy whatever age you are now cause you may not make 50.

The guy is 65

[marshbags]

Dear Marshbags,

I too find the thought of this thread interesting but am not sure what I have to offer will help.

I retired early from teaching at 54, and came to live in Thailand. I found far too many aspects of teaching (the least being the kids) very stressful so had hoped to see a marked improvement in my health and weight. After a year of retirement I started to suffer from GERD (bringing up bile when I lay down to sleep), and on the advice of a doctor at a Natural Health Centre in Bangkok began a diet of natural foods. I now follow a macrobiotic diet, and my health is much better although not 100%; the GERD symptoms have gone.

Unlike yourself I was much overweight. At 6 foot I am sure my weight was over 100kg at 54, now at 57 my weight is down at low 80s - still a small amount overweight. As to exercise I don't do as much as you; I try to go walking most days, do a few exercises to help my neck and shoulders, and do chi gung at the same time. I also have a weekly massage.

You say you eat sensibly. I thought I was eating sensibly and then was told to eat these natural foods. As soon as that happened I began to release toxins from my body as part of a healing process. Initially the diet was the key to my improvng health, but now it is diet, chi gung and exercise.

My health still concerns me but I now have a greater confidence that the body can cope with what old age has to throw at it.

Hope you are keeping well,

All the Best,

BillZ

http://ginsukapaapdee.wordpress.com/

A great post of encouragement to others who may wish to contribute in a positive way.

Thanks for your imput and very helpful offering, for members who, like ourselves can benefit from sharing our actual experiences and what we do, to try and hopefully achieve, a good quality active life in our later years.

We cannot, I know, stop ageing, but at least we can make the best of it and offer advice on how to help each other understand it all.

From my take on your lifestyle, I reckon you have achieved plenty in the last few years.

Taking exercise of a reasonable amount and eating sensibly are very important as we both have shown.

I must say I,ve had a great PM from one of our fellow members who is also living a good quality active life and who is now 70.

What an inspiration it to get personal messages like this.

There are plenty like us, I feel sure, who could offer their much valued imput and benefit others on the forum / thread who may be reading up on how to approach ageing, especially after 55 / 60...ish

Being in the lower 80,s weight wise, Bill, seems to me to be near enough to your ideal weight when considering your height and using the BMI method of calculation.

83 kg,s ( 182/3 lbs / 13 stone or there abouts) being considered normal and healthy ?

I use the BBC health site Ref url:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/cgi-perl/health/fightingfat/bodymass.pl

I also got your BMI from this very informative " non profit " health advice site.

If it is not allowed to post the url and it has to be edited out, I will PM it to you.

Hopefully it will be considered o.k. as it isn,t selling anything and provides helpful advice to our members.

I could look up " do chi gung " but as you mentioned it, i,d like to leave this priviledge to you and hope you may post some info on it along with the benefits that it brings to you at the same time.

Please.

marshbags

Edited June 27, 2009 by marshbags

[toptuan]

GREAT idea for a thread.

I have always been disgustedly healthy all of my life. Physically active, height-weight proportional, (175cm/76kg), non-smoker, non-drinker, and young-feeling. I'm soon turning 60.

But at 57 it hit: dizziness, near-fainting, left-side weakness, and what I think were two "cardiac incidents" (those two former symptoms plus nausea and profuse sweating). Can't bring myself to say the big "H. A." words. I didn't go the hospital with those "incidents" but did consult a doctor and had complete tests. Turned out some of my arteries were starting to build up plaque (but for some strange reason, not cholesterol-related; my cholesterol levels are OK). When the plaque occasionally "releases" it caused my incidents.

I had been eating Thai restaurant food 2-3 times a day (with all the oils and pork) for 5 years with great abandon and going only for the taste. I convinced myself that all the accompanying veggies and rice would help balance out the "bad stuff." (Dreamer). Oh, also enjoyed ice cream a couple times a week, and chocolate more often (chocolate milk, chocolate bars, those little Ferro-Rocher chocolate-covered hazel nuts, etc.--OK I'm a chocolate addict).

So, with these warning wake-up signs, I made some severe changes:

1) Upped my exercise program from 3 days a week to 6 days. Cardio, stretching, muscle-toning and muscle-building with free weights, etc. I'm stronger now than I was in college. What a great feeling.

2) Learned to cook Thai food for myself, leaving out all the bad stuff, and ramping up the good stuff. Using only olive oil; lots of Thai herbs; only chicken for meat, and LOTS of veggies and fruit. Now, I'm about 85% vegetarian. I do eat out with friends occasionally once a week or so, and go for low-fat, non-pork dishes.

3) Started a non-AMA-approved "chelation" treatment (pills) which is supposed to help keep the arteries clear. Started taking 1-2 aspirins a day. Took a small pill (like an anti-histamine) to open up the blood vessels in the head to combat dizziness.

It's been a long two years, but I'm out of the woods now, with only about 5% of the symptoms I had before. Although I was relatively healthy (on the outside) I fault my former diet for bringing on my problems. I don't know which of the three "severe changes" has restored my health, but I keep them up, since none of them can really hurt me. (I HAVE reduced the aspirin and anti-histamine intake by 50%).

Going through this experience and getting back to relatively normal has been a real life-changing event for me--not only in my eating habits, but frame of mind. I REALLY appreciate good health now, when I simply took it for granted before. I also look at delicacies (chocolate, ice cream, fatty foods) as something to enjoy only on special occasions, rather than as a regular life-style. It's actually made eating those foods more fun. I've also learned how to "eat to live" rather than "live to eat."

By the way, I have a lot of Thai friends in their 40's and early 50's experiencing many of the same problems I had, with the addition of high cholesterol and diabetes-related problems. The non-farmer Thai diet is really not so healthy, especially given the addiction to Western fast-food which is sweeping this culture. On the other hand, I've spent some considerable time visiting Thai farmers' families, and what a great diet: Lots of fish, veggies, fruit, and Thai herbs! I lose weight every time I visit, but never go hungry.

Would be interested if anyone else has been through similar?

Edited June 27, 2009 by toptuan

[Dakhar]

expect hearing loss

[Shotime]

[

The guy is 65

I'm not sure why you needed to say that, but you're wrong.

When I read about Michael dying at 50, I thought about my post here. It wasn't meant as a threat. Just reality.

The biggest factor in maintaining your health and positive state of mind is to keep away from stress, So I'll let it slide.

[Shotime]

GREAT idea for a thread.

I have always been disgustedly healthy all of my life. Physically active, height-weight proportional, (175cm/76kg), non-smoker, non-drinker, and young-feeling. I'm soon turning 60.

But at 57 it hit: dizziness, near-fainting, left-side weakness, and what I think were two "cardiac incidents" (those two former symptoms plus nausea and profuse sweating). Can't bring myself to say the big "H. A." words. I didn't go the hospital with those "incidents" but did consult a doctor and had complete tests. Turned out some of my arteries were starting to build up plaque (but for some strange reason, not cholesterol-related; my cholesterol levels are OK). When the plaque occasionally "releases" it caused my incidents.

I had been eating Thai restaurant food 2-3 times a day (with all the oils and pork) for 5 years with great abandon and going only for the taste. I convinced myself that all the accompanying veggies and rice would help balance out the "bad stuff." (Dreamer). Oh, also enjoyed ice cream a couple times a week, and chocolate more often (chocolate milk, chocolate bars, those little Ferro-Rocher chocolate-covered hazel nuts, etc.--OK I'm a chocolate addict).

So, with these warning wake-up signs, I made some severe changes:

1) Upped my exercise program from 3 days a week to 6 days. Cardio, stretching, muscle-toning and muscle-building with free weights, etc. I'm stronger now than I was in college. What a great feeling.

2) Learned to cook Thai food for myself, leaving out all the bad stuff, and ramping up the good stuff. Using only olive oil; lots of Thai herbs; only chicken for meat, and LOTS of veggies and fruit. Now, I'm about 85% vegetarian. I do eat out with friends occasionally once a week or so, and go for low-fat, non-pork dishes.

3) Started a non-AMA-approved "chelation" treatment (pills) which is supposed to help keep the arteries clear. Started taking 1-2 aspirins a day. Took a small pill (like an anti-histamine) to open up the blood vessels in the head to combat dizziness.

It's been a long two years, but I'm out of the woods now, with only about 5% of the symptoms I had before. Although I was relatively healthy (on the outside) I fault my former diet for bringing on my problems. I don't know which of the three "severe changes" has restored my health, but I keep them up, since none of them can really hurt me. (I HAVE reduced the aspirin and anti-histamine intake by 50%).

Going through this experience and getting back to relatively normal has been a real life-changing event for me--not only in my eating habits, but frame of mind. I REALLY appreciate good health now, when I simply took it for granted before. I also look at delicacies (chocolate, ice cream, fatty foods) as something to enjoy only on special occasions, rather than as a regular life-style. It's actually made eating those foods more fun. I've also learned how to "eat to live" rather than "live to eat."

By the way, I have a lot of Thai friends in their 40's and early 50's experiencing many of the same problems I had, with the addition of high cholesterol and diabetes-related problems. The non-farmer Thai diet is really not so healthy, especially given the addiction to Western fast-food which is sweeping this culture. On the other hand, I've spent some considerable time visiting Thai farmers' families, and what a great diet: Lots of fish, veggies, fruit, and Thai herbs! I lose weight every time I visit, but never go hungry.

Would be interested if anyone else has been through similar?

Can I come live with you?

[BEENTHEREDONETHAT]

Marshbag

Thought I would throw in my two cents worth. I'm 75 been in LOS for three years and enjoying it. Prior to coming to LOS we lived for about 15 years full time in Australia. Had 6 acres which we landscaped the whole place. Keep us very active all the time we lived there. So I was reasonable fit at 80 kilo, I'm 183cm tall. Always felt good and ambitious until I reached 70. Osteoarthritis started to get to me at 70 and working long hours became more difficult. The biggest problem then and now is if I get to much exercise my back aches all night and it is difficult to get a decent nights sleep.

So the inclination is to exercise less and have a better nights sleep. Which works but has caused my weight to creep up to 90Kilo. Since the weight is all in the gut it tends to put extra strain on the back and increases the osteo pain. Still haven't worked out an exercize program that will get the weight off. Walking the beach is enjoyable and helps but not enough to take the weight off.

As Shotime mention and I firmly believe, if you can minimize the stress you will maximize your lifespan. That is one thing I have in LOS, about zero on the stress scale. My hearing is almost completely shot and don't even enjoy TV unless it has english sub titles or is a action movie that requires no plot. Hearing aid does not help. Fortunately I have a wife who handles all of the communications and I'm used to wondering what the hel_l is going on. But I do have hobbies that keep me occupied and find enjoyable.

But regardless of the health problems at 75 I'm truly enjoying life and hope to stretch it out for another 20 years or so. Find a hobby or two to fill your time and keep busy.

Hope you all have a long and happy life. Should mention having adequate funds so you do not have to worry about $$ is a big plus.

Hope I don't repost this reply as my memory is questionable.

[tomartoh]

When I first was living in Thailand 7 years ago, I went to Bumrugrad Hospital for a check up, it was so cheap, comparatively, and I was due for one as I'd had a stent fitted 4 years previously.

Part of the program was a chat with the doctor, which was enlightning to me and put things into a different perspective. I said to him that since I had been ill previously, that I had changed and found it difficult to plan into the future more than maybe 2 or 3 months.

He was a bit older than I and had a very good doctors manner. He leaned forward tapping me on the knee and said "dont worry, thats no problem, get out of bed in the morning and take every day as it comes, thats what I do, and I enjoy my life"

His advice was spot on for me. its what I do. But the upside of it is now I can plan, and do plan for a long time in the future. I have totally come to terms with where I am and who I am and all the many mistakes I have made and continue to make to this day and no doubt into the future.

We just have to make the most of what we have as long as we have it, As we get older it doesnt matter what anybody tells us, we are slowly or maybe quickly for some, wearing out. My mother as she aproached her nineties said to me. " its terrible being old, my mind is all there like when I was younger and there are lots of things i want to do like dancing, like i used to do. But my body wont do any of these things I want to do." I told her what the doctor had told me, but i dont know whether it helped her. She had a couple of big strokes that paralysed all but the use of one hand. Fought on for nearly 2 years and passed away a few months ago.

Some of us get the gift of long life, but no guarantee of the quality. so we just have to take every and each day as it comes and make the most of it in whatever way we can.

[patklang]

I retired at 50,after many years as a regional/national sales manager,which could be very stresful,and was very fit.Now i have lived in LOS for nearly 6 years and feel amazingly healthy,and not even my old aches and pains from semi pro football.My bad habits are drinking twice a week and about 5-10 cigies a week.but make up with plenty of long walks.My height is 6ft and i am 88kilo,which is about 5 kilo too much,and eat mainly thai food with only 3 days a week eating rice.We have loads of veggies and plenty of fruit,with no chocolate and only 1 cup of coffee a day.

One day i may go back to the gym but after 2 ops on my knee i dont think i would be able to jog for long,even though a 10k walk in the blazing heat is easy.I have no stress and can live here for the rest of my life, and a good private medical policy gives me peace of mind.

[toptuan]

GREAT idea for a thread.

I have always been disgustedly healthy all of my life. Physically active, height-weight proportional, (175cm/76kg), non-smoker, non-drinker, and young-feeling. I'm soon turning 60.

But at 57 it hit: dizziness, near-fainting, left-side weakness, and what I think were two "cardiac incidents" (those two former symptoms plus nausea and profuse sweating). Can't bring myself to say the big "H. A." words. I didn't go the hospital with those "incidents" but did consult a doctor and had complete tests. Turned out some of my arteries were starting to build up plaque (but for some strange reason, not cholesterol-related; my cholesterol levels are OK). When the plaque occasionally "releases" it caused my incidents.

I had been eating Thai restaurant food 2-3 times a day (with all the oils and pork) for 5 years with great abandon and going only for the taste. I convinced myself that all the accompanying veggies and rice would help balance out the "bad stuff." (Dreamer). Oh, also enjoyed ice cream a couple times a week, and chocolate more often (chocolate milk, chocolate bars, those little Ferro-Rocher chocolate-covered hazel nuts, etc.--OK I'm a chocolate addict).

So, with these warning wake-up signs, I made some severe changes:

1) Upped my exercise program from 3 days a week to 6 days. Cardio, stretching, muscle-toning and muscle-building with free weights, etc. I'm stronger now than I was in college. What a great feeling.

2) Learned to cook Thai food for myself, leaving out all the bad stuff, and ramping up the good stuff. Using only olive oil; lots of Thai herbs; only chicken for meat, and LOTS of veggies and fruit. Now, I'm about 85% vegetarian. I do eat out with friends occasionally once a week or so, and go for low-fat, non-pork dishes.

3) Started a non-AMA-approved "chelation" treatment (pills) which is supposed to help keep the arteries clear. Started taking 1-2 aspirins a day. Took a small pill (like an anti-histamine) to open up the blood vessels in the head to combat dizziness.

It's been a long two years, but I'm out of the woods now, with only about 5% of the symptoms I had before. Although I was relatively healthy (on the outside) I fault my former diet for bringing on my problems. I don't know which of the three "severe changes" has restored my health, but I keep them up, since none of them can really hurt me. (I HAVE reduced the aspirin and anti-histamine intake by 50%).

Going through this experience and getting back to relatively normal has been a real life-changing event for me--not only in my eating habits, but frame of mind. I REALLY appreciate good health now, when I simply took it for granted before. I also look at delicacies (chocolate, ice cream, fatty foods) as something to enjoy only on special occasions, rather than as a regular life-style. It's actually made eating those foods more fun. I've also learned how to "eat to live" rather than "live to eat."

By the way, I have a lot of Thai friends in their 40's and early 50's experiencing many of the same problems I had, with the addition of high cholesterol and diabetes-related problems. The non-farmer Thai diet is really not so healthy, especially given the addiction to Western fast-food which is sweeping this culture. On the other hand, I've spent some considerable time visiting Thai farmers' families, and what a great diet: Lots of fish, veggies, fruit, and Thai herbs! I lose weight every time I visit, but never go hungry.

Would be interested if anyone else has been through similar?

Can I come live with you?

Only if you take over my cooking duties! :-)

[bangkokrick]

expect hearing loss

Sorry. could you repeat that please.

Cheers, Rick

[tim armstrong]

Hi Marshbags,

As I approach 60 - very soon, I realise that all the truisms I've ever heard are indeed true. ie.Keep it simple; don't drink too much or smoke at all; eat more fish,fruit, green vegies, and less meat, dairy, snacks and anything fried. Exercise regularly for flexibility and aerobic function; regular sex is good for you; stress is not. Do something that other people appreciate you for. Have at least one person outside of your partner that you can say anything to. Have a relationship where love is reciprocated and real. Laugh a lot. try new things. Have enough money for your essential needs. Learn to forgive others and yourself -often.

-And to your well meaning children, family, younger relatives, and friends who might comment on your weight, drinking habits or other frailties, just remind them that they haven't made it to your age - yet ! As far as things you might expect, I will try to live up to the above, but I'm not expecting perfection and I will live each day as it comes. Regards

[ThaiPauly]

Dear Marshbags,

thank you very much for the thread, and also thanks to the people who have added their imput...invaluable.

I have a plethora of health problems and I am not 55 till next month.

Having lead a very stressful life I was very fortunate to be in the position to retire at 48....but once I moved to LOS I really started to abuse my body....that led to many many health problems, but over the last few months I have been able to resolve or come to terms with my frailties and just listen to my body a bit more. I quit booze and started to find myself spiritually.

While I still have health issues I am much calmer about my lot and have learned to control my stress levels well.

Hopefully all these lifestyle changes may well see me live as long as my parents who are both still going strong, both are 79.

It's funny Marsh.....in all the years I have known you on here I always thought of you as around 40.

Up the Owls eh?

Kind regards

TP

[toptuan]

expect hearing loss

Sorry. could you repeat that please.

Cheers, Rick

That's loss of sight for you Rick.

[BEENTHEREDONETHAT]

Hi Marshbags,

As I approach 60 - very soon, I realise that all the truisms I've ever heard are indeed true. ie.Keep it simple; don't drink too much or smoke at all; eat more fish,fruit, green vegies, and less meat, dairy, snacks and anything fried. Exercise regularly for flexibility and aerobic function; regular sex is good for you; stress is not. Do something that other people appreciate you for. Have at least one person outside of your partner that you can say anything to. Have a relationship where love is reciprocated and real. Laugh a lot. try new things. Have enough money for your essential needs. Learn to forgive others and yourself -often.

-And to your well meaning children, family, younger relatives, and friends who might comment on your weight, drinking habits or other frailties, just remind them that they haven't made it to your age - yet ! As far as things you might expect, I will try to live up to the above, but I'm not expecting perfection and I will live each day as it comes. Regards

You are spot on Tim. If everyone would take your advise there would be a lot more happy people out there.

[moe666]

All you old geezers checkout Rob Faigin at Natural Hormone Enhancement also you young kids. I have never been a fan of the low fat high carbo crazyness after reading Robs book now I know why.

I retired last year and had planned to move to Thailand but a chronic health problem had to be fixed first. I stopped working rotating shifts cleaned out the old body and I feel great. The little aches and pain I donot worry about. Life is to great and wonderful to get caught up in the worry mode.

Good luck to you all.

[huggybear]

This is a great thread, I hope more people will keep posting, especially those of you +60.

Thanks for the good info, HB

[marshbags]

I am pleasantly surprised at the quality of the contributions and feel I have unjustly under estimated my fellow senior members and the responses which I find are very informative and reassuring

Thank you so much for your support and I hope we can continue with our ongoing experiences as and when they occur.

May others find comfort in the knowledge that while we are slowly ageing, we can at the very least continue doing so gracefully and with a gradual dignified re adjustment both mentally and physically, helped with a bit of assistance and much valued support from each other.

Due to this encouragement on the thread, I feel able to open up a bit more on my own personal experiences as they happen.

My wife who I mentioned insisted i,d started loosing weight, on further investigation still insists that I am thinner but was actually meaning my muscle mass has gradually been reducing and as a result, I am indeed looking thinner, while my weight is still pretty stable.

She says this has happened in the last year by the way

I,ve asked a good friend of mine for a second opinion and he agreed with her assessment.

I have as as result started making enquiries as to how I may be able stop the loss of muscle mass leaving me like a bag of bones, for want of a better description.

After all this is a very important protector in relation to breaking bones and other such injuries caused by even the smallest of falls and accidents ect. that is and based on incidents I,ve witnessed over the years.

My days of wanting to be a Charles Atlas look alike are long since over so I am not in need of a body builders course, you,ll be relieved to hear

Perhaps it may be linked to not getting enough of the natural proteins from my diet that needs to be re adjusted and possibly boosted ?

I,d appreciate any imput in relation to this, especially natural supplements if at all possible from our food sources.

I have already started eating peanut butter and adding it to my salad sandwiches that I enjoy at lunchtime ( mid day meal ) which was suggested by someone else.

Thank you again everyone for your most encouraging imput and shared experiences.

marshbags

P.S.

Trust T.P. to spot my weakest link, stress wise that is.

As many will know on the forum, you,ve been through a lot in the last couple of years at least and to know you are at last finding some much deserved quality back into your life is great.

As for the reference to a certain football team..........

Good luck to all sports lovers, may you continue to enjoy your chosen what ever and gain interest and health related fitness incentives from supporting them.

Edited July 2, 2009 by marshbags

[huggybear]

I have already started eating peanut butter and adding it to my salad sandwiches that I enjoy at lunchtime ( mid day meal ) which was suggested by someone else.

For sure nuts are a good source of protein minus the animal fat, but peanut butter........hmmm, I'm not a nutritionist but any posters out there that are, please pipe in as I've been told 1. the less processed the better 2. peanut butter often has added oils that are bad cholesterol-wise.

But again, I am not certified to make a scientific call.

[marshbags]

I don,t know if there have been any lady comments already posted, but as many tend to look after and support aging male relatives, any imput from your experiences would be much appreciated on the thread.

marshbags

[Gary A]

The biggest problem of getting old is having a 25 year old mind in a 64 year old body. The mind is willing and the body refuses to obey. It is sometimes depressing knowing that there are many things I can no longer do and will never be able to do again.

Physically, when I get up in the morning, too early, but find I can sleep no longer. It takes a while for everything to start working again. After everything is working again, it is easy to enjoy the good life after having had to work very hard for so many years. I have absolutely no reasons to complain because I have enjoyed good health all my life.

[marshbags]

I have already started eating peanut butter and adding it to my salad sandwiches that I enjoy at lunchtime ( mid day meal ) which was suggested by someone else.

For sure nuts are a good source of protein minus the animal fat, but peanut butter........hmmm, I'm not a nutritionist but any posters out there that are, please pipe in as I've been told 1. the less processed the better 2. peanut butter often has added oils that are bad cholesterol-wise.

But again, I am not certified to make a scientific call.

Nice one huggy bear, thanks for your imput and especially on this particular food supplement.

Somewhere on the dedicated P. Butter thread someone mentioned a local one that is much more healthier than the imported brands.

Ref url :- http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Happened-Aff...er-t275523.html

Also one that is made from various natural and healthy food sources.

I am keeping an eye on it for heplul hints on hopefully making my own which is more cholesterol friendly.

marshbags

Edited July 2, 2009 by marshbags

[moe666]

Marshbags, check out Natural Hormone Ehancement.com Rob has some great info in his books and if you have an open mind, because he challenges the long running but failed theory of low fat and high carbs.

Also get your thyroid checked all those hormones we had in abudance when we were young have slowly declined.

If herion were found to be good for us old geezers I would not hesitate to try it.

[tomartoh]

Two sites I find very useful are webmd.com and realage.com. Lots and lots of information on them.

At the end of the day we just have to work a bit harder at everything to get anywhere. Eat well and exercise the mind and body, take the medications the doctor prescribes and take it all at a steady pace.

I am planning to do the Chiang Mai marathon at the end of this year. No chance of a prize when I would be in the same group as 50year old's doing it in maybe under 3 hours. Be lucky if I could push myself under 5 hours. So why no category for 70's and 80's. Perhaps not enough interest by competitors or organizers or sponsors. Maybe we are just not interesting enough.

But then I might change my mind and do a 10km or a fun run.. Older mans prerogative At this age now its not hard and fast or so dedicated but a bit of fun and staying healthy.

[BigSnake]

Best wishes to all for many years of GOOD Health in Our Golden Years. Have good diet habit, drink lots of water, get plenty of sleep, to include an afternoon nap, go easy on the Alcohol?/drugs and last but not at all least get an Annual checkup

[Datsun240Z]

I don't want to live longer than 70, after that the limited things i can do, no thanks.

[Nignoy]

But what happens if you have had a wild life, had your share of wine women and song or in the case of our aussie readers, Rum, Bum and gramaphone records(flat black things 30 years before digital ), Now I will be 66 in 2weeks,and over the years have picked up the odd injury, here is a list of my genuine health problems, diabetes , blind in right eye,4 vertebrae in cervical spine fused together and reenforced with a titanium cage, a pacemaker, pelvis is held together by a 5inch steel plate, left leg tib and fib and femur are plated and screwed , no patella, on my 3rd artificial knee joint in left leg too, have bad problems with contracting tendons in my hands and forearms causing my hands to seize up, can be embarassing when you cant let go of the steering wheel ,dont get enough exercise, I,m understandably over weight, dont drink or smoke, try to eat sensibly lots of fish , chicken and vegies, My philosophy used to be live fast ,die young , have a good looking corpse, well I have done the fast living bit lol, but now have the means and the mindset , to say <deleted> to all those who would like to see me stuck in a wheelchair !! so me and the wife much to the dismay of centrelink,keep popping back to thailand or penang, okay so we might have to sell the motorbikes this year, but really growing old is not so bad its a way of life!!!!