Visa B Expiring Soon - New Employment - New Visa?

[MART]

Hi,

I am not sure that I get it right. I hold a non-imm B which expires on July 31. My last stamp allows me to stay until August 31. I do not have a work permit. I've just found a new job and I am wondering what to do.

Basically I am concerned that if I lose my job or wish to leave, my visa will expire the same day as my employment stops. Which I understand will be the case if I start the job with my current visa as I will be granted an extension of stay but not a new visa. On the other side if I go abroad to get a new visa B, will I be able to get a multiple entry? I mean if I'll be able to get only a single entry anyway, it does not make a difference and they can apply for the work permit on the basis of my current visa.

Another question: my current visa is expiring on July 31 but my last permission of stay is until August 31. Is it possible to apply for a work permit on the basis of a visa which has expired already but with a permission of stay which is still valid?

Thanks in advance for your tips.

[lopburi3]

1. You do not need any type of visa to apply for a work permit - you only require the visa when the permit is ready for issue.

2. You can not obtain a multi entry B visa anywhere in the area without a work permit.

3. So your stay ends on end of employment - you can obtain a 7 day extension or leave that day and return with a visa or visa exempt entry. Not a major problem.

4. All that matters is your permitted to stay stamp for work permit issue.

[Mario2008]

Do you have a single entry or a mulitple entry visa?

That your visa is expired doesn't mater, what is important is your permission to stay. You need to have a valid permission to stay to be able to apply for a work permit.

If you will get a multiple entry non-B depends on where you will aply. Have a look for reports about getting a multiple non-B in the region here:

http://www.thaivisa.com/forum/Latest-Repor...on-t189375.html

Of course with the multiple non-B you would have to leave the country every 90 days, you don't have to do that on an extension of stay. Then you only report your address every 90 days.

[MART]

Thanks for your answers. I have a multiple B currently.

So basically when I get the work permit I have two possibilities:

1. get a permission of stay of 1 year on the basis of my current visa and the WP.

2. go with my work permit to KL or VT and apply for a multiple B and with a bit of luck get it.

Am I right?

[lopburi3]

You would also require full company paperwork for either option - and for extension of stay meet the income requirements that might be required.

[TerryLH]

"So your stay ends on end of employment - you can obtain a 7 day extension or leave that day and return with a visa or visa exempt entry."

Doesn't this apply only if he's already on an extension? It appears he's still on a visa that hasn't been extended yet.

[Thanh-BKK]

Hi.

No idea of the WP issue but if you hurry up and get on a bus to the border tomorrow (July 30) you will get another 90 days, which makes you "good" until end of October - plenty of time to sort out the work permit.

Yes, "one year" multi-entry visas Can be stretched to 15 months, 100% legal, as each entry during visa validity gives you 90 days - and be it on the very last day of visa validity.

Best regards....

Thanh

[lopburi3]

"So your stay ends on end of employment - you can obtain a 7 day extension or leave that day and return with a visa or visa exempt entry."

Doesn't this apply only if he's already on an extension? It appears he's still on a visa that hasn't been extended yet.

That quote was about being on an extension of stay as he had seemed to believe it would be a major problem if he was on an extension and employment ended. Future rather than present.

[thaiphoon]

Thanks for your answers. I have a multiple B currently.

So basically when I get the work permit I have two possibilities:

1. get a permission of stay of 1 year on the basis of my current visa and the WP.

2. go with my work permit to KL or VT and apply for a multiple B and with a bit of luck get it.

Am I right?

And if you chose to get new multi entry Non-B visa (as opposed to obtaining extension of stay) you are permitted to stay in the Kingdom until your visa expires (or 89 days after your visa expires if you do border run the day before and get new permission to stay stamp). With this option you will not have to leave the Kingdom on the day you lose your job (unless you apply for 7 day extension), but you will have to do border run every 90 days. However, you are going to have to go further afield to obtain MULTI Non-B visa, as not issued by consulates in the Asia region.

[lopburi3]

Multi entry B visas are issued in the area with company paperwork and a work permit as far as I know - many people have them. But they are not issued on the basis of a company letter as in other places.

[thaiphoon]

Multi entry B visas are issued in the area with company paperwork and a work permit as far as I know - many people have them. But they are not issued on the basis of a company letter as in other places.

Well, you learn something new every day. I read KL will issue multi entry Non-B, subject to appropriate company paperwork being in order, but WP has to have more than 6 months left to get 12 months Non-B, otherwise will only get 3 month Non-B. I know where I will be heading for my next 12 month Non-B visa. Thank you Lopburi.

[MART]

Thanks a lot for your answers.

I know that I could do a last border run and get 90 more days but I chose not to.

Some more questions:

1. if I apply for a new non-imm B multiple, will I have to do border runs every 90 days?

2. If I hold a non-imm B multiple and apply for an extension of stay based on my work permit, I understand that I won't need to do any border run. If employment ends then before the non-imm B multiple expires, the extension of stay expires but the visa is still valid, right?

[Lite Beer]

1. Yes you will.

2. With an extension from Immigration you will not have to do border runs. You have to report to Immigration every 90 days. If you lose your job you have to leave the country on the same day or get a 7 day extension.

With a Multi Entry Visa You would not.

[lopburi3]

If you lose job you will still have to leave the country - but if you still have a valid multi entry visa you can use it to return.

[MART]

Thanks a lot, that's all I wanted to know.

[thaiphoon]

If you lose job you will still have to leave the country - but if you still have a valid multi entry visa you can use it to return.

Is this correct? I know if you had Non-B extension of stay you would have to leave country on the day your job finishes unless you apply for 7 day extension. But if you have Multi Entry Non-B visa I thought you could stay in the country until the visa expired (and that is the advantage of this option, apart from having to do 90 day border runs). Now you are worrying me ....

[lopburi3]

You have to be on a 90 day visa entry to stay - if on an extension for work you must leave. But if you have a vaild visa you can return using that for a new 90 day stay.

[thaiphoon]

You have to be on a 90 day visa entry to stay - if on an extension for work you must leave. But if you have a vaild visa you can return using that for a new 90 day stay.

The last sentence in your post makes things somewhat unclear, unless I misunderstand. Why would you need to return if you already hold a valid visa? Say you hold a 12 month Non-B visa, expiring 30th April 2010. Your 90 day permission to stay expires say 30th September 2009. You lose your job on 10th August 2009. My understanding is you do not have to leave the country on 10th August, but you must keep your permission to stay alive to continue remain in Thailand after 30th September, so you do another border run before 30th September (maybe that it what you are implying in your post) and every 90 days thereafter and do a final border run on 29th April 2010 for a final 90 day stamp meaning you can stay until 28th July 2010. Is this correct?

[lopburi3]

Your example is correct but it is not what I was talking about - which was being here on an extension of stay (not a 90 day visa entry) but having a valid multi entry visa in your passport.

It is the difference between a visa 90 day entry and an extension of stay. You provided example of a visa 90 day entry and you can stay on such an entry - and if multi entry continue to use.

But if you are on and extension of stay for employment you must leave when it ends.

If you were on an extension for employment but still have a valid multi entry visa in your passport you can leave and return on a new 90 day entry using that visa. But you must leave to obtain the new 90 day entry.

[Lite Beer]

He will be fined 500 Baht for each day of overstay up to a maximum of 20,000 Baht. If arrested before making it to the airport he could be detained at the immigration detention center until deported.

[Mario2008]

They might not find out, but probably will when she applies for a new work permit is hse finds a new job here. Then both immigration and labour department can see that something is wrong.

The rules are as Lite Beer stated. If they find out they can detain her till she pays the fien AND has a ticket out of the country.

[thaiphoon]

Your example is correct but it is not what I was talking about - which was being here on an extension of stay (not a 90 day visa entry) but having a valid multi entry visa in your passport.

It is the difference between a visa 90 day entry and an extension of stay. You provided example of a visa 90 day entry and you can stay on such an entry - and if multi entry continue to use.

But if you are on and extension of stay for employment you must leave when it ends.

If you were on an extension for employment but still have a valid multi entry visa in your passport you can leave and return on a new 90 day entry using that visa. But you must leave to obtain the new 90 day entry.

Thank you. My sanity has been restored! We were talking cross purposes.

[thaiphoon]

I have just been on the telephone to said alien and she informs me that she's currently been in Thailand for 30 days since quitting her job (on strength of a non-B visa extension from previous employer).

I figure she currently faces a 15,000 baht fine if she walks into BKK airport.

But now then..... There are not many stories as far as I can find here on the forum which document aliens in similar circumstances either "being fined/detained" OR "getting away with it".

How do we explain this lack of forum threads, and how does immigration find out that an aliens visa extansion has been cancelled in the first place ?

If she wants to stay in Thailand to find work then I suggest she exits the country NOW by air. As said, 500 baht a day overstay fine, passport marked and no further questions. But I suspect the longer she stays illegally in the country (1) the greater the risk of being stopped/detained by the police and deported and (2) the harder it will be for her to obtain a new permit. Can re-enter country on 30 day visa exempt stamp or obtain 60 day tourist visa (are currently free) from neighbouring consulate. TV can be extended by 30 days by going to immigration and paying 1,900 baht fee. Then apply for Non immigrant visa when she has found job to enable collection of work permit after applying.