george Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Teenage girl arrested for stabbing her new-born child to death SAMUI, SURAT THANI: -- A 19-year-old teenager was arrested Friday morning hours after she fatally stabbed her new-born boy, police said. Narinrat Pinijmontree, 19, from Udon Thani, was detained at her bed at the Samui Hospital at 6 am Friday. Her mother, Sumalee Pinijmontree, 44, told police that she received a phone call from her daughter at 4 am. Sumalee said her daughter asked her to rush to see her. When she went to her daughter's place, which is living quarter for staff of a bungalow, she found Narinrat bleeding and found the baby being wrapped in blood-soaked towel. Sumalee rushed the two to the Bangkok Samui International Hospital but the baby died on the way. The baby was stabbed over 20 times. Sumalee said Narinrat delivered the child in her room and stabbed him out depression that her boyfriend had left her. Police said Narinrat would be charged with premeditated murder. -- The Nation 2009-08-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Explorer Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 tragic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noahvail Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Sad and horrendous. I don't know the law around premeditated murder, but it sounds like a harsh call. Condolences to the baby's grandmother especially, and family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Premeditated murder? She is patently in need of psychiatric help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kurnell Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 No doubt they will lock her up and throw away the key. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a99az Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 I hope she gets some help and not sent to jail this is so sad. Condolences to the family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maejo Man Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 A tragedy, but premeditation? She needs instant help, not a jail cell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onnut Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 agreed, she needs help and not jail time. this is tragic to say the least. its about time the Thai system had a social services type thing, but certainly not modeled on the English version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
angiud Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Horrible. Come first to me "lock her up and throw away the key". But thinking about how thai teenagers grow here, I'm not sure anymore what is right or wrong. Psychiatric help maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnvic Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 In most countries infanticide carries a lesser penalty due to issues with post partum depression. While it's clear she needs help with a mental health issue it's hard not to get angry about a helpless baby being stabbed to death by the person who was supposed to protect him. What a short, painful, and frightening life the poor little guy had. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSingh Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 No Jail time some posters are saying ?? She stabbed her new born baby to death over 20 times & you don't believe she should be sent to Jail, away from the general public ?? Help her for sure, where possible, but also lock her up, she stabbed her new born Child to death, she stabbed him 20 times, 20 times !!!!!!!!!!! She is a cold blooded Murderer & should be punished accordingly !! She done it, so she says, because her Boyfriend left her, pathetic !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc2 Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 A tragic case of misdirected anger. there is another issue here, men leaving/abandoning their children/partners. its widespread, irresponsible, and for those without money, puts a huge financial and emotional burden on the mother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayutthaya69 Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Teenage girl arrested for stabbing her new-born child to deathSAMUI, SURAT THANI: -- A 19-year-old teenager was arrested Friday morning hours after she fatally stabbed her new-born boy, police said. Narinrat Pinijmontree, 19, from Udon Thani, was detained at her bed at the Samui Hospital at 6 am Friday. Her mother, Sumalee Pinijmontree, 44, told police that she received a phone call from her daughter at 4 am. Sumalee said her daughter asked her to rush to see her. When she went to her daughter's place, which is living quarter for staff of a bungalow, she found Narinrat bleeding and found the baby being wrapped in blood-soaked towel. Sumalee rushed the two to the Bangkok Samui International Hospital but the baby died on the way. sadsto verry sad story The baby was stabbed over 20 times. Sumalee said Narinrat delivered the child in her room and stabbed him out depression that her boyfriend had left her. Police said Narinrat would be charged with premeditated murder. -- The Nation 2009-08-14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dahinni Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 Teenage girl arrested for stabbing her new-born child to deathSAMUI, SURAT THANI: -- A 19-year-old teenager was arrested Friday morning hours after she fatally stabbed her new-born boy, police said. Narinrat Pinijmontree, 19, from Udon Thani, was detained at her bed at the Samui Hospital at 6 am Friday. Her mother, Sumalee Pinijmontree, 44, told police that she received a phone call from her daughter at 4 am. Sumalee said her daughter asked her to rush to see her. When she went to her daughter's place, which is living quarter for staff of a bungalow, she found Narinrat bleeding and found the baby being wrapped in blood-soaked towel. Sumalee rushed the two to the Bangkok Samui International Hospital but the baby died on the way. The baby was stabbed over 20 times. Sumalee said Narinrat delivered the child in her room and stabbed him out depression that her boyfriend had left her. Police said Narinrat would be charged with premeditated murder. -- The Nation 2009-08-14 she need help......... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 No Jail time some posters are saying ?? She stabbed her new born baby to death over 20 times & you don't believe she should be sent to Jail, away from the general public ?? Help her for sure, where possible, but also lock her up, she stabbed her new born Child to death, she stabbed him 20 times, 20 times !!!!!!!!!!! She is a cold blooded Murderer & should be punished accordingly !! She done it, so she says, because her Boyfriend left her, pathetic !! You are a very strange person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 (edited) So sad and so tragic. Stabbing your own baby 20 times is not the sign of a thoughtful killer. It is Post Partum Depression, legaly a non-rational state in many women. Coupled with hopelessness with fear of what's to come; raising a wholy dependent being ALONE with no help. Yes, she has a mother, but that's not the same in this sense. She lost control of reality in a blind rage, likely imaging that she lost her great love because of the baby, when he never was, and is just being a turd for dumping her, likely scared of his responsibilities in the situation too. These situations are one of the few real cases were 'Temporary Insanity' actual comes into play. No mother thinking in her right mind kills her baby... There wouldn't be any normal consideration of right and wrong, or consequences, clearly her mind turned past consideration, into apathy, mania and pervasive pain. Clearly she needs to be in some facility, but not a prison in the classic sense, but something that can judge what kind of risk she is to herself and others. And help her regain some balance... IF possible. This is the type of thing truly not easily recoverable from, she might not make it. No matter what punishment she gets from society, she will punish herself all the more than we ever could, and she is a likely suicide in the future. A tragedy all the same. In the truest sense of the word. Edited August 14, 2009 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 My deepest sympathies to the many people who are affected by this tragedy. It's very sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geriatrickid Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 (edited) No Jail time some posters are saying ?? She stabbed her new born baby to death over 20 times & you don't believe she should be sent to Jail, away from the general public ?? Help her for sure, where possible, but also lock her up, she stabbed her new born Child to death, she stabbed him 20 times, 20 times !!!!!!!!!!! She is a cold blooded Murderer & should be punished accordingly !! She done it, so she says, because her Boyfriend left her, pathetic !! You are wrong in so many ways, and your mentality is more dangerous than this apparently mentally ill adolescent. What's next, lobotomies for people with Tourettes because of their offensive outbursts? Did you consider whether this person was able to differentiate between right and wrong or to even understand the nature of her act? Is this person even of "normal" intelligence? For all we know she could have an intellectual deficiency. Unfortunately, people incapable of the capacity for rational thought do get pregnant. Did you assess her mental state at the time of the incident? She needs to examined, and yes, helped first before the issue of punishment is even considered . Putting people that are mentally ill and that are not a threat to society in jail serves no purpose and only makes matters worse. We try not "punish" those that do not have the mental capacity to understand or to appreciate what they have done. Instead, we try to salvage their lives by the most appropriate means. If and when she understands what she has done, she is going to be wracked by pain and guilt far worse than what a prison term would do. That is assuming that she ever has the ability to understand the act. At least some people in here still have reason and compassion, and some solid life experience going for them. Edited August 14, 2009 by geriatrickid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyb Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 So sad and so tragic.Stabbing your own baby 20 times is not the sign of a thoughtful killer. It is Post Partum Depression, legaly a non-rational state in many women. Coupled with hopelessness with fear of what's to come; raising a wholy dependent being ALONE with no help. Yes, she has a mother, but that's not the same in this sense. She lost control of reality in a blind rage, likely imaging that she lost her great love because of the baby, when he never was, and is just being a turd for dumping her, likely scared of his responsibilities in the situation too. These situations are one of the few real cases were 'Temporary Insanity' actual comes into play. No mother thinking in her right mind kills her baby... There wouldn't be any normal consideration of right and wrong, or consequences, clearly her mind turned past consideration, into apathy, mania and pervasive pain. Clearly she needs to be in some facility, but not a prison in the classic sense, but something that can judge what kind of risk she is to herself and others. And help her regain some balance... IF possible. This is the type of thing truly not easily recoverable from, she might not make it. No matter what punishment she gets from society, she will punish herself all the more than we ever could, and she is a likely suicide in the future. A tragedy all the same. In the truest sense of the word. So very well put Animatic and agree with you 1000%. She needs help not punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyb Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 (edited) Not really anything to do with her boyfriend leaving. I would think moreso post natal depression and being alone at the time. But very sad thing to happen. Condolences to all. Edited August 14, 2009 by Boo edited out deleted post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boo Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 I have deletd two posts, lets try to keep the flames off of this thread & show some compassion for the poor baby who has died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyb Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 agreed, she needs help and not jail time. this is tragic to say the least. its about time the Thai system had a social services type thing, but certainly not modeled on the English version. Onnut. Even one modeled on the uk version would be better that we have here. Something is better than nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkbound04 Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 the mother should be sent to a secure mental unit...there won't be much help but at least it protects the general public from the next time she gets angry it's sometimes easy to find an excuse for murderers(that's what the defense lawyer is for)..most have had something traumatic happen in their past but the majority of people that have had past trauma(& it's a lot, ranging across a wide scale) don't go out and kill people..and a baby is the most precious gift on the earth i hope the wee lad didn't suffer too much, my bloods boiling just thinking about it ...off tangent a bit but i met a farang ratbag in thailand that admitted in a fit of anger/rage that he held a child over a balcony 10 floors up...the guy had a lot of grief and stress and thankfully the baby was physically fine...but does that excuse his actions or is it reason enough that he shouldn't be punnished? where's the cut off for taking responsibility for our actions? if in a fit of rage after being provoked if i were to kill somebody would that be ok? if i said that "i've had a lot of stress lately and just snapped" would that excuse my actions or make me less accountable for them? i imagine some on here believe it does but imho that's not the case...yeah give the girl some help if she needs it or if it improves her mental health but first things first, lock her up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thongkorn Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 (edited) Do not be to quick to judge, its call infanticide,because of hormone inbalance after giving birth , it was common thing in the 1800 ,She wants help , not incarceration, Edited August 14, 2009 by Thongkorn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkbound04 Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 so if a father carries out the same actions because of his hormones/testosterone then it's an equally excuseable act?? or is it only women that can apply for the "get out of jail free" card? imo fact of the matter is, if anybody kills another person then it can be argued that they are "not right in the head" so should any murderers be punnished? how about cannibals..studies have shown that a common trait among those that carry out the act of eating another human being(along with some sexual/violent offenders etc) have some frontal lobe damage to the brain ...should they be excused for their actions? modern medicine has shown they suffer from a form of brain damage...should they be accountable? where's the cut off point where we say you take responsibilities for your actions however heinous they are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RKASA Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 "if in a fit of rage after being provoked if i were to kill somebody would that be ok?" It worked for General Dan Sickles, He shot his wifes lover. Told the court he was real mad at the guy. For a young girl like this there is a lot more to it. The emotional pain that needs to happen for a mother to do this to her own child must have been terrible to endure. She is guilty by reason of some level of insanity and needs help. Other young girls need help before it happens again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thongkorn Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 so if a father carries out the same actions because of his hormones/testosterone then it's an equally excuseable act??or is it only women that can apply for the "get out of jail free" card? imo fact of the matter is, if anybody kills another person then it can be argued that they are "not right in the head" so should any murderers be punnished? how about cannibals..studies have shown that a common trait among those that carry out the act of eating another human being(along with some sexual/violent offenders etc) have some frontal lobe damage to the brain ...should they be excused for their actions? modern medicine has shown they suffer from a form of brain damage...should they be accountable? where's the cut off point where we say you take responsibilities for your actions however heinous they are? You are wrong it is a medical condition There are thousands of cases worldwide, Do some reserch for yourself , i am not excusing her Just explaining what infantiside is Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkbound04 Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 i understand what you are saying thonkorn, i'm just expressing my opinion that every murderer has an angle or tragic story to tell if you want to empathise or listen to them, but i believe the only valid excuse for murder is self defense ..many paedophiles have suffered some form of abuse and if you want to play a wee violin for them you can say it's not their fault that they have become the monsters they are, but they still need to be locked up and to pay for their crimes ...the same with poor uneducated children that are brought up without a life of luxury, society can change peoples outlooks and beliefs, this is well documented in medicine as well and while it allows us to understand the cause it doesn't excuse the act nor should be used as a defense to avoid punnishment, by all means enter it as mitigation but they should still be punnished to the extent of the law i pity the victims more than i pity the offenders Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterego Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 (edited) as I understand it, Abortion is illegal in Thailand. (under most circumstances) Edited August 14, 2009 by walterego Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterego Posted August 14, 2009 Share Posted August 14, 2009 obviously so is post delivery abortion. "in or out, that is the question" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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