At Last

[endure]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/1...-to-alan-turing

Hats off to one of the men that really helped win WWII

[justcruisin]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/sep/1...-to-alan-turing

Hats off to one of the men that really helped win WWII

A real warrior in his time,and a very gifted mathmethician

Times have changed since then,for good and bad.

[justcruisin]

But I wonder what this has to do with Thailand?

[endure]

But I wonder what this has to do with Thailand?

Nothing at all. I'm just blowing the gay trumpet (if you'll pardon the expression)

[Ijustwannateach]

For the umpteenth time, threads in the gay subforum do not have to strictly conform to Thailand, anymore than threads in the Teaching forum have to be only about Thai teaching, or threads in the Ladies room have to be only about Thai ladies.

I think from now on posters who attempt to hijack threads in this forum in this manner will receive warnings.

[sbk]

But I wonder what this has to do with Thailand?

Subforums are not strictly Thailand related but are for those people who are interested in the topic. I don't see you posting the same thing in the football forum, do I?

[Jingthing]

One can imagine that Mr. Turing would have well enjoyed a gay holiday in Thailand. Signed, the one who can make ANY topic Thai related.

[JUDAS]

I had no idea such a thing occurred in the UK in such recent times. Appalling treatment of a fellow human being.

[snuggzzz]

I had no idea such a thing occurred in the UK in such recent times. Appalling treatment of a fellow human being.

Being homosexual, ever since Victorian times and just before, was seen as an abberation, a defect of personality, many people have been the subject to this ostracism, which now thankfully has been put aside in the UK, unfortunately this mathematical genius, a very very talented man was forced to suffer a chemical castration due to his homosexuality which ultimately led him to take his own life.

The accolade from Gordon Brown has now acknowledged the vital work he did at Bletchley Park during the war.

[Navalator]

I had no idea such a thing occurred in the UK in such recent times. Appalling treatment of a fellow human being.

Being homosexual, ever since Victorian times and just before, was seen as an abberation, a defect of personality, many people have been the subject to this ostracism, which now thankfully has been put aside in the UK, unfortunately this mathematical genius, a very very talented man was forced to suffer a chemical castration due to his homosexuality which ultimately led him to take his own life.

The accolade from Gordon Brown has now acknowledged the vital work he did at Bletchley Park during the war.

INHO the Turing affair was one of the greatest injustices every performed by the British. This man personally was responsible for the saving of millions of British lives and property. His treatment by the government supports the thesis that monkeys would be better off running the British parliament and the military. Just imagine that a person's sexual orientation is of paramount importance to the British generals than winning a war. England is still a homphobic paradise.

Edited September 13, 2009 by Navalator

[endure]

I had no idea such a thing occurred in the UK in such recent times. Appalling treatment of a fellow human being.

Being homosexual, ever since Victorian times and just before, was seen as an abberation, a defect of personality, many people have been the subject to this ostracism, which now thankfully has been put aside in the UK, unfortunately this mathematical genius, a very very talented man was forced to suffer a chemical castration due to his homosexuality which ultimately led him to take his own life.

The accolade from Gordon Brown has now acknowledged the vital work he did at Bletchley Park during the war.

INHO the Turing affair was one of the greatest injustices every performed by the British. This man personally was responsible for the saving of millions of British lives and property. His treatment by the government supports the thesis that monkeys would be better off running the British parliament and the military. Just imagine that a person's sexual orientation is of paramount importance to the British generals than winning a war. England is still a homphobic paradise.

It's not quite that simple. His sexual orientation was known to the authorities during the war but no action was taken because his work was too valuable. It wasn't until 7 years after the war was over that he was prosecuted for gross indecency. There was no government plot. He met a man at the movies. They slept together. The man then, with an accomplice, broke into Turing's house. Turing reported the crime and, being somewhat naive, admitted that he'd slept with the man. Homosexuality was illegal at the time. He was prosecuted in the same way that any other person would be. 'The Generals' had nothing to do with it. They probably didn't even know who he was or that Bletchley Park had ever existed. It was one of the war's best kept secrets.

The way he was treated was disgraceful but he was treated no differently to any other gay man who'd been caught. The treatment of them all was the disgrace but I suspect that it was the same treatment he'd have received anywhere in the western world in the early 50s.

England is no longer a homophobic paradise and hasn't been for quite some time. Obviously we still have homophobes but it's no longer an institutional stance. Homosexuality was first decriminalised in 1967 as a result of a government enquiry rather than any form of riot. We have civil partnerships which amount to marriage without the religion. We have equality of the age of consent between heterosexuals and homosexuals at 16. There has been a remarkable change in English society's attitude to homosexuality over the past 20 years.

Edited September 13, 2009 by endure

[stevejones123]

The idea of treating homosexuality scientifically in the UK came about after the second world war. It led to a vast increase in prosecutions since there was now a humane solution. Paradoxically it was this increase in prosecutions that led to the Wolfenden report and the 1967 decriminalization.

[kek]

England is still a homphobic paradise.

Sorry Guy, but you are misinformed and out of touch with reality.

As Endure says, Homosexuality was decriminalised in the 1960's.

We have openly gay Members of Parliament and the House of Lords.

Openly gay members of the Armed Forces since the year 2000. (take a look at the Daily Mail online Sunday, Sep 13 2009 and see the headline "Gay soldier becomes Armed Forces' magazine's first homosexual pin-up")

Gay Civil Partnerships since 2005.

My mother's postman is a transvestite

Yes there are still some bigoted members of UK society that are homophobic but they are generally in the older age groups (who are gradually dying out) or uneducated right-wing bully-boys or immigrant minorities who have come from intollerant countries and want to make the UK as intollerant as the place they fled from.

Are you the same 'Navalator' that appears on Gay Romeo? Surely as a judge you must know that all societies are diverse and cannot be summed up in a cute soundbite such as yours? Maybe you were drunk when you wrote it?

ps. Nice Batman outfit