Rain

[T_Dog]

We had a big blow and rain up here in Mae Taeng. Temperature dropped
from 93 degrees F to 75 degrees F as the wind whipped through. Tomorrow is looking like another unstable day, weather-wise.

[Semper]

erm but back on topic..i really do hope it rains soon.

I went to Pai recently..and i cannot even begin to tell you how TERRIBLE the burning was. LINES and LINES of burning in the hills day and night. Filmed a bit of it..will try post on the forum some time when im able to edit it. Shocking really.

Sorry for your chocking experience, but this has been going on for for a long time and the 'mountain people' couldn't give a hoot what we Farangs in CM think about it.

[DaamNaam]

erm but back on topic..i really do hope it rains soon.

I went to Pai recently..and i cannot even begin to tell you how TERRIBLE the burning was. LINES and LINES of burning in the hills day and night. Filmed a bit of it..will try post on the forum some time when im able to edit it. Shocking really.

Sorry for your chocking experience, but this has been going on for for a long time and the 'mountain people' couldn't give a hoot what we Farangs in CM think about it.

They may not care what farangs think, but that's no excuse to sit by and say nothing. Every drop counts.

[cloudhopper]

Rained off and on through the night and now nice and heavy this morning in Pai; should clear the air for a while!

[WinnieTheKhwai]

Unbelievable heat after the rain

Where? It cooled down nicely for me.. No aircon needed last night.

[TommoPhysicist]

We had a big blow and rain up here in Mae Taeng. Temperature dropped

from 93 degrees F to 75 degrees F as the wind whipped through. Tomorrow is looking like another unstable day, weather-wise.

I know, I was there on my m/c ........ bloody tipped down ....... soaked.

[eek]

erm but back on topic..i really do hope it rains soon.

I went to Pai recently..and i cannot even begin to tell you how TERRIBLE the burning was. LINES and LINES of burning in the hills day and night. Filmed a bit of it..will try post on the forum some time when im able to edit it. Shocking really.

Sorry for your chocking experience, but this has been going on for for a long time and the 'mountain people' couldn't give a hoot what we Farangs in CM think about it.

They may not care what farangs think, but that's no excuse to sit by and say nothing. Every drop counts.

They dont, i know. Nor do they give a hoot about what Thai think. So we should just accept that they dont give a hoot and put up with polluted air...right?

The resort i regularly stay at in Pai is run by a Thai man and his farang wife, lovely couple, they are sick of it, everybody is sick of it, Thai and Farang alike. Sick because it is bad not only for breathing but also for business. Maybe you havent experienced how bad Pai can get, but it was like London smog had desended upon it. Thick white smoke. Burning to a degree i couldnt believe. Frankly surprised at your attitude Semper, sounds like you are happy to sit back and take whatever life throws at you. Personally, i find it takes little effort to sign a petition or pick up a phone or whatever else THAI people ask of us (as a community) to do. In order to try campaign for better air and life quality. No skin off my back, and in the end if it helps, it will benefit even those of you who are happy to sit and do nothing and just put up with three months of dangerious pollution.

[eek]

Unbelievable heat after the rain

Where? It cooled down nicely for me.. No aircon needed last night.

nimmen-way. I felt the sauna effect too.

[ARISTIDE]

Townhouse in Nimmanhaemin, my living room is like a sauna!

Unbelievable heat after the rain

Where? It cooled down nicely for me.. No aircon needed last night.

[tangcoral]

Light rain in Nimenhaemin, lets hope this was is not as short lived as yesterdays.

[mania]

eek, on 04 Mar 2013 - 09:11, said:

They dont, i know. Nor do they give a hoot about what Thai think. So we should just accept that they dont give a hoot and put up with polluted air...right?

I think it is not that simple.

What they don't know or have is a better way to deal with what they need to deal with.

Up North in places like Nan the mountains are so steep they use no machinery to farm

They literally climb up and down steep hills to plant.

After harvest they can pile the waste but they have no other way to deal with it logically

or financially.

If the government wants to help they need to show them a way which they can "afford" to

deal with it. What that way is I personally do not know. But I do not subscribe to the thinking that

they do it simply because they do not care.

Sorry for the OT sidebar

We just had another nice bit of rain in town. Did not last long but the morning and

even now at near 11:30 I am enjoying the cooler temps. Hopefully the rains will also

clear the air a bit for all.

Edited March 4, 2013 by mania

[MESmith]

Unbelievable heat after the rain

Where? It cooled down nicely for me.. No aircon needed last night.

nimmen-way. I felt the sauna effect too.

The "concrete jungle" effect

[KRS1]

eek, on 04 Mar 2013 - 09:11, said:

They dont, i know. Nor do they give a hoot about what Thai think. So we should just accept that they dont give a hoot and put up with polluted air...right?

I think it is not that simple.

What they don't know or have is a better way to deal with what they need to deal with.

Up North in places like Nan the mountains are so steep they use no machinery to farm

They literally climb up and down steep hills to plant.

After harvest they can pile the waste but they have no other way to deal with it logically

or financially.

If the government wants to help they need to show them a way which they can "afford" to

deal with it. What that way is I personally do not know. But I do not subscribe to the thinking that

they do it simply because they do not care.

Sorry for the OT sidebar

We just had another nice bit of rain in town. Did not last long but the morning and

even now at near 11:30 I am enjoying the cooler temps. Hopefully the rains will also

clear the air a bit for all.

Funnily enough the point of origin is probably where the smoke lingers the least. As it rises and dissipates it starts to cover a larger area over a longer period of time. So maybe theyre thinking "oh we'll just burn a little and it'll be gone in no time..."

[CobraSnakeNecktie]

eek, on 04 Mar 2013 - 09:11, said:

They dont, i know. Nor do they give a hoot about what Thai think. So we should just accept that they dont give a hoot and put up with polluted air...right?

I think it is not that simple.

What they don't know or have is a better way to deal with what they need to deal with.

Up North in places like Nan the mountains are so steep they use no machinery to farm

They literally climb up and down steep hills to plant.

After harvest they can pile the waste but they have no other way to deal with it logically

or financially.

If the government wants to help they need to show them a way which they can "afford" to

deal with it. What that way is I personally do not know. But I do not subscribe to the thinking that

they do it simply because they do not care.

Sorry for the OT sidebar

We just had another nice bit of rain in town. Did not last long but the morning and

even now at near 11:30 I am enjoying the cooler temps. Hopefully the rains will also

clear the air a bit for all.

Funnily enough the point of origin is probably where the smoke lingers the least. As it rises and dissipates it starts to cover a larger area over a longer period of time. So maybe theyre thinking "oh we'll just burn a little and it'll be gone in no time..."

That is probably a good assessment of the mindset.

A while back I was having dinner with the GF at the restaurant overlooking the river at Mae Sai

A group of people on the Myanmar side backed a truck up to the river and started hurling dozens of full garbage bags into the river. Splash Splash.

The GF said to the waiter "why do they do that? it's bad behavior"

The waiter said "no problem tomorrow all gone"

How does one reason with that? It's like video game unreality.

[rene123]

It rained very heavily in Nan over night. The roads were wet this morning. There was also the occasional shower on the way back to Chiang Mai. The hills east of Nan were covered in leaves from a previous big wind storm.

[jaideeguy]

Big wind and rain last night in Doi Saket.....Wife said they were predicting hail and conditions seemed perfect for that....lots of debris in the air and fast storm clouds approaching. No hail, but maybe an inch of rain and temps dropped from 94f to 72f......big winds too and lost elect. Looks like more clouds brewing this afternoon. Yesterday's rain was a blessing, as it cleared the air and cooled today's heat down a bit.

[StevieH]

hammering down again now out towards huay tung tao. gone very dark up above too.

[tfc]

Quite steady rain near Chang Puek Gate too. A nice change but I'm surprised that its raining at all at this time of the year.

[Mapguy]

This thread seems to be getting off track when there is an option for posting comments about the issue of agricultural burning. I think that eek and Mania, for example, have a lot to add to the discussion. Please check out the pinned thread on "Smoke...

[mania]

Yes pouring now on ChangKlan of course since my truck is clean & now I need to use it

instead of the bike to go pick up the wife from work

[MESmith]

This thread seems to be getting off track when there is an option for posting comments about the issue of agricultural burning. I think that eek and Mania, for example, have a lot to add to the discussion. Please check out the pinned thread on "Smoke...

Back on track, it's raining out SK way. Happy now MG? I am

[Mapguy]

Year before last there were intermittent showers that, as I recall, began in January, perhaps late December. That was certainly unusual. Nice to see some soaking showers this year in the last 24 hours in Chiang Mai. It certainly has cooled things down a lot! It has been, I believe, somewhat hotter than "normal" in recent days. Never mind the air pollution. There is another thread for that, and one wouldn't want to mess with gotlost's legacy!

[Mapguy]

This thread seems to be getting off track when there is an option for posting comments about the issue of agricultural burning. I think that eek and Mania, for example, have a lot to add to the discussion. Please check out the pinned thread on "Smoke...

Back on track, it's raining out SK way. Happy now MG? I am

No! Still grumpy!!

Edited March 4, 2013 by Mapguy

[DaamNaam]

erm but back on topic..i really do hope it rains soon.

I went to Pai recently..and i cannot even begin to tell you how TERRIBLE the burning was. LINES and LINES of burning in the hills day and night. Filmed a bit of it..will try post on the forum some time when im able to edit it. Shocking really.

Sorry for your chocking experience, but this has been going on for for a long time and the 'mountain people' couldn't give a hoot what we Farangs in CM think about it.

They may not care what farangs think, but that's no excuse to sit by and say nothing. Every drop counts.

They dont, i know. Nor do they give a hoot about what Thai think. So we should just accept that they dont give a hoot and put up with polluted air...right?

The resort i regularly stay at in Pai is run by a Thai man and his farang wife, lovely couple, they are sick of it, everybody is sick of it, Thai and Farang alike. Sick because it is bad not only for breathing but also for business. Maybe you havent experienced how bad Pai can get, but it was like London smog had desended upon it. Thick white smoke. Burning to a degree i couldnt believe. Frankly surprised at your attitude Semper, sounds like you are happy to sit back and take whatever life throws at you. Personally, i find it takes little effort to sign a petition or pick up a phone or whatever else THAI people ask of us (as a community) to do. In order to try campaign for better air and life quality. No skin off my back, and in the end if it helps, it will benefit even those of you who are happy to sit and do nothing and just put up with three months of dangerious pollution.

Hear hear.

[rene123]

mania, on 03 Mar 2013 - 20:32, said:

eek, on 03 Mar 2013 - 18:26, said:

eek, on 04 Mar 2013 - 09:11, said:

They dont, i know. Nor do they give a hoot about what Thai think. So we should just accept that they dont give a hoot and put up with polluted air...right?

I think it is not that simple.

What they don't know or have is a better way to deal with what they need to deal with.

Up North in places like Nan the mountains are so steep they use no machinery to farm

They literally climb up and down steep hills to plant.

After harvest they can pile the waste but they have no other way to deal with it logically

or financially.

If the government wants to help they need to show them a way which they can "afford" to

deal with it. What that way is I personally do not know. But I do not subscribe to the thinking that

they do it simply because they do not care.

Sorry for the OT sidebar

We just had another nice bit of rain in town. Did not last long but the morning and

even now at near 11:30 I am enjoying the cooler temps. Hopefully the rains will also

clear the air a bit for all.

Speaking of Nan I just came back from there. Nice and cool in the cloudy weather. The sad part is the hill tribe people cut down all the forests and planted corn on the steep hillsides. They get one small cob of corn for each stalk planted. Corn has traditionally been a LOWLAND plant because it needs a LOT of water to grow properly. When you moonscape the hillsides of all the native trees and plants the result is every heavy rain washes away the soil, and the country dries out in the hot sun. You are then left with a flood - drought syndrome. I hate being negative towards locals, but the evidence is there for all to see. It's like the other problem with Thais and their environment... everything that slithers, slides, hops, jumps, walks, runs, flies or swims gets eaten. Even if it lies there inert it get eaten if it is remotely edible.

[catmac]

As rene123 so perfectly said "everything that slithers, slides, hops, jumps, walks, runs, flies or swims gets eaten. Even if it lies there inert it get eaten if it is remotely edible. "

I've always had the sad impression that the rural Thais have a simple rule of thumb.....If it moves, eat it; if it doesn't move, burn it!

[TommoPhysicist]

Speaking of Nan I just came back from there. Nice and cool in the cloudy weather. The sad part is the hill tribe people cut down all the forests and planted corn on the steep hillsides. They get one small cob of corn for each stalk planted. Corn has traditionally been a LOWLAND plant because it needs a LOT of water to grow properly. When you moonscape the hillsides of all the native trees and plants the result is every heavy rain washes away the soil, and the country dries out in the hot sun. You are then left with a flood - drought syndrome. I hate being negative towards locals, but the evidence is there for all to see. It's like the other problem with Thais and their environment... everything that slithers, slides, hops, jumps, walks, runs, flies or swims gets eaten. Even if it lies there inert it get eaten if it is remotely edible.

Just to point out last year the head men started handing out 25 rai plots of forest to us locals, on the way to it being chanoted.

We were told to cut down the forest and plant a crop of some kind if we were to get full title to said plots.

Use it or lose it. Corn would be cheap to plant, and demonstrate you were using it.

I'm guessing the plots you saw were part of this scheme ...... so blame the government not the people.

I don't want to cut down my bit of forest, but I will if I have to.

Edited March 5, 2013 by TommoPhysicist

[rene123]

Thanks for the information, Tommo. Sometimes good initial ideas have unintentional results. it is sort of like the weird education system here that often does not make sense.

[funcat]

"...the weird education system here that often does not make sense..."

...you got it...

...and don't blame it on the rain...or lack of it...

[MESmith]

Speaking of Nan I just came back from there. Nice and cool in the cloudy weather. The sad part is the hill tribe people cut down all the forests and planted corn on the steep hillsides. They get one small cob of corn for each stalk planted. Corn has traditionally been a LOWLAND plant because it needs a LOT of water to grow properly. When you moonscape the hillsides of all the native trees and plants the result is every heavy rain washes away the soil, and the country dries out in the hot sun. You are then left with a flood - drought syndrome. I hate being negative towards locals, but the evidence is there for all to see. It's like the other problem with Thais and their environment... everything that slithers, slides, hops, jumps, walks, runs, flies or swims gets eaten. Even if it lies there inert it get eaten if it is remotely edible.

Just to point out last year the head men started handing out 25 rai plots of forest to us locals, on the way to it being chanoted.

We were told to cut down the forest and plant a crop of some kind if we were to get full title to said plots.

Use it or lose it. Corn would be cheap to plant, and demonstrate you were using it.

I'm guessing the plots you saw were part of this scheme ...... so blame the government not the people.

I don't want to cut down my bit of forest, but I will if I have to.

Why not plant coffee under the forest canopy? That way you demonstrate use of land & preserve the forest.