Us President Obama Wins Nobel Peace Prize

[Ulysses G.]

Exactly.

[Jingthing]

It's a tough call between you and Ulysses, but I think you get the Nobel Award for Nitpickiness (a.k.a. finding fault in the smallest things, fueled by a need to put something/someone down any way possible).

Being considered the worst President in American history does not really fit the definition of "nitpicking".

Clearly Carter did not have a successful presidency, but it is way too early to say he will be ranked among the worst. Given that Obama followed the bush disaster, that probably partially explains the Nobel prize. It is a political prize after all.

The five best presidents, according to the historians, were Abraham Lincoln, George Washington, Franklin D. Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, and Harry Truman, in that order. Rounding out the top 10 were John F. Kennedy at six, Thomas Jefferson, Dwight Eisenhower, Woodrow Wilson, and Reagan.

The worst presidents, according to the survey, were James Buchanan at 42, Andrew Johnson at 41, Franklin Pierce, William Henry Harrison, Warren Harding, Millard Fillmore, George W. Bush, John Tyler, Herbert Hoover, and Rutherford B. Hayes.

http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/histor...presidents.html Edited October 11, 2009 by Jingthing

[Jingthing]

venturalaw

Actually we all lost.

No. No, we didn't. Sorry you can't accept political reality. Edited October 11, 2009 by Jingthing

[Ulysses G.]

Perhaps Bush and Carter will have to fight that one out, but at least Bush has learned to keep his yap shut now that he is out of office.

[animatic]

It's a tough call between you and Ulysses, but I think you get the Nobel Award for Nitpickiness (a.k.a. finding fault in the smallest things, fueled by a need to put something/someone down any way possible).

Being considered the worst President in American history does not really fit the definition of "nitpicking".

He is also not even close to the worst president ever.

Maybe in recent history depending on your views you can assert that,

but there are some REAL clinkers in the 1800's that far out shine him for

ineptitude, and several VP's the make Spiro Agnew seem like a Mensa member.

Carter's main problem as president is he was not a hardass.

You have not care in the rig

ht circumstances, and Jimmy always cared.

That quality made him a marginal president, but a wonderful humanitarian.

"worst President in American history" hyperbol and nothing more.

James Buchanan 1857-61

Franklin Pierce 1853-57

Martin Van Buren 1837-41

Richard Nixon 1969-74 ties George W. Bush 2001-2009

Herbert Hoover 1929-33

Millard Fillmore 1850-53

Let's ignore thos who died so early there was no point

expecting anything good or bad from them... just nothing.

Edited October 11, 2009 by animatic

[venturalaw]

venturalaw

Actually we all lost.

No. No, we didn't. Sorry you can't accept political reality.

Don't require your sorrow. It's not a political reality - clearly he won the presidency. I accept that political reality. BTW, I did not support many of Bush's decisions, however, it is very clear that he is being demonized partially in an attempt to build up BHO.

Liberals tend to measure a person by their supposed 'intent' rather than their deeds. Perfect example - the Nobel Prize decision.

I've mentioned that he has violated the Constitution - which is FACT, and that he surrounds himself with people of, lets say, questionable character. Why liberals chose to ignore these FACTS is something I will never understand. Instead you claim that he is basically the Messiah on a mission (along with his teleprompter). Believe me, we have all lost. Lost big!

[losworld]

Predictable post Bush responses.

Ignoring the last paragraph's that explain their logic.

There will always be those who just hate USA, based on their personal biases.

Congratulations Mr. President.

I for one HAVE felt safer...

even safer from verbal assault from our so called allies citizens,

since Obama began his long overdue retread of the USA's global image.

Maybe it is a bit early, but he still has caused a sea change in the perceptions

of a huge segment of the world towards America, and I never expected all to agree.

Face it, Bush was a terrible act to follow and it is amazing how much progress has

been made to erase his bilious legacy. Even in the worst of times and

with the least amount of assets to make use of.

When will people learn it is "same sh*t different pile" when talking about Republicans and Democrats. The same inner circle still runs Washington.

Obama is really nothing more than an illusion. An illusion of change. What has he changed? Wall Street? Health Care?

So some chemist spends his life to find a cure for cancer. An aging woman lives in the jungle to provide relief to impoverished people. Obama spends five years in the corrupt Illinois legislature before becoming a Senator for a short time then President for less than a year and he gets a "peace prize".

Edited October 11, 2009 by losworld

[Jingthing]

venturalaw

Believe me, we have all lost. Lost big!

Never.But thanks for your efforts.

losworld

What has he changed?

He is working on it. It is difficult with the hard core obstructionists working overtime to stop him. Ask again after EIGHT years. If after EIGHT years he has changed nothing, I will agree with you. Until then, please let him GOVERN. The presidency is not a dictatorship even though bush tried to make it more like that. If nothing else, after EIGHT years the SUPREME COURT will indeed be very much CHANGED for 50 years. So don't jump to idiotic conclusions about the consequences of the Obama era too soon, OK?

Edited October 11, 2009 by Jingthing

[losworld]

venturalaw

Believe me, we have all lost. Lost big!

Never.But thanks for your efforts.

losworld

What has he changed?

He is working on it. It is difficult with the hard core obstructionists working overtime to stop him. Ask again after EIGHT years. If after EIGHT years he has changed nothing, I will agree with you. Until then, please let him GOVERN. The presidency is not a dictatorship even though bush tried to make it more like that. If nothing else, after EIGHT years the SUPREME COURT will indeed be very much CHANGED for 50 years. So don't jump to idiotic conclusions about the consequences of the Obama era too soon, OK?

So one is to sit back and do nothing while the same lobbyists and special interests govern wall street? While Americans sit on their hands and give him more time he has handed the health care of a nation to a man named Baucus owned by the health care industry. No single payer and no public option and we are to believe this is change? Change for the benefit of the health care lobbyists. It has only taken six months to reveal this illusion.

[OriginalPoster]

This is old news now. What award can we give him next? His acceptance speeches are so inspiring, I want MORE, MORE, MORE!

OK, I am being flip, but really, what can he look forward to now? Is there a better global award? I don't know it.

Don't worry there are more awards in their way. The word on the street is that the fix is in and that Obama will win the Miss America pageant next year. You heard it here first.

[Jingthing]

venturalaw

Believe me, we have all lost. Lost big!

Never.But thanks for your efforts.

losworld

What has he changed?

He is working on it. It is difficult with the hard core obstructionists working overtime to stop him. Ask again after EIGHT years. If after EIGHT years he has changed nothing, I will agree with you. Until then, please let him GOVERN. The presidency is not a dictatorship even though bush tried to make it more like that. If nothing else, after EIGHT years the SUPREME COURT will indeed be very much CHANGED for 50 years. So don't jump to idiotic conclusions about the consequences of the Obama era too soon, OK?

So one is to sit back and do nothing while the same lobbyists and special interests govern wall street? While Americans sit on their hands and give him more time he has handed the health care of a nation to a man named Baucus owned by the health care industry. No single payer and no public option and we are to believe this is change? Change for the benefit of the health care lobbyists. It has only taken six months to reveal this illusion.

I share your basic sentiments, but the bottom line is that at the current time it is politically impossible to sell the American people on single payer universal health care. We can barely get a compromise. It is sad and pathetic but I would blame the ignorance of the American people of being brainwashed by the health industry lobby for not DEMANDING this. I personally can't blame Obama for going for the possible rather than nothing.

[OriginalPoster]

As for Carter. He was one of the most decent men the US has had as president. Walter Cronkite, who interviewed every president since Moses, said Carter was the most articulate of the bunch.

Carter probably was one of the most intelligent US presidents in terms of IQ. Whether IQ correlates well with leadership ability is another matter.

However "most articulate of the bunch" is sort of a hard thing to measure (even, I suspect, for a person like like Walter Crinkike) because high-profile people often come off very different in front of a private audience than in front of a mass audience. For instance, back in the early 80's I heard Gerald Ford talk before a group of probably about 30 students at as small New England college. He was incredibly impressive in that setting. If he was a person living down the street from you'd be likely to think that he was the most impressive person that you have ever met, yet in the political arena he seemed to be a dull blade who was better suited for drinking beer with Homer Simpson than for sitting in the White House.

Edited October 11, 2009 by OriginalPoster

[jayboy]

The New York Times reports that Bill Clinton was infuriated by the award.By some means the paper obtained a transcript of his subsequent conversation with George Bush Junior on the subject.Read and enjoy.

October 11, 2009 Op-Ed Columnist

Gandhi Wuz Robbed

By MAUREEN DOWD When he heard the Nobel Peace Prize shocker on Friday, Bill Clinton went into one of his purple rages. He picked up the phone and dialed the one person on earth who would be as steamed as he was.

CLINTON: Hey, man, it's me. This thing is plumb crazy. Can you believe it?

W: No way, Jose!

CLINTON: First that prig Carter. Then that prig Gore. And now President Paris Hilton. The guy's in office three days and he gets the peace prize? He should have gotten the Nobel in chemistry, because chemistry's all he's got. Talk about a fairy tale. This ... is ... just ... wrong! It's killing me, man. I feel like my head's explodin'. First I had the vast right-wing conspiracy, and now I have the vast left-wing conspiracy.

W.: I hear ya, 42. As if his head wasn't big enough. This cat is all cage, no bird. He doesn't have a clue.

CLINTON: Heck no.

W.: See, I'm the one who should be mad. Let me tell you, this Norwegia thing has nothing to do with him. It's just another way for the pinkos of the world to drop a cow patty on my legacy. All that garbage in the prize statement about how special La Bamba is for bringing back wimpy multilateral diplomacy, dialogue and negotiations, the kind my dad and Scowcroft loved. Those Nobel ninnies are so lulu left they make the U.N. look like a Fox jamboree. The rookie already got rewarded once for not being me when he got elected. Gosh, what would he do without me?

CLINTON: Fine, but you never expected to win this prize. You were the quote-unquote war president and proud of it. I had to put up with a gazillion hours of Arafat's insanity, but I guess that still wasn't enough for those Oslo ice queens. I guess ending ethnic cleansing in Bosnia wasn't enough, or bringing peace to Northern Ireland. And I guess my work with the Clinton Global Initiative saving lives in Africa and hanging with Bono and Barbra wasn't enough.

W.: Calm down, bro. You gotta take care of that ticker.

CLINTON: It was a case of premature adulation.

W.: Heh-heh-heh. Yeah, very pre-emptive, sort of like Cheney's pre-emptive war policy.

CLINTON: If they weren't going to give it to me, they should at least have given it to the Chinese human rights movement or the Iranian protesters or AIDS workers in the Congo. Or even Bono.

W.: Yeah, man. Bono.

CLINTON: That would have helped make life better for the good guys and harder for the bad guys. Once again, action loses out to talk, just like with Hillary and Obama in the campaign. Nobel Prize for blah-blah-blah. Heck, I used to be considered a pretty good talker myself.

W.: It's aggravating, I agree. But look at it this way, 42. Everybody's laughing at La Bamba. He gets a Nobel for nada. Being loved by Europeans isn't gonna do him any good here in the U.S. of A. I whupped that Frenchy Kerry, didn't I?

CLINTON: The only peace Obama has made is bringing together the Taliban, Rush Limbaugh, the Palestinians and the Israelis to agree the guy is undeserving. It just confirms everyone's suspicion that all this dude knows how to do is dazzle.

W.: He doesn't want to be a Decider. He wants to be a Transformer. He transformed, all right — from Miss America to Miss Universe. He's a five-spiral crash, and getting the gold is just a reminder of all he hasn't done. He's going to have to look over and see that big medallion hanging up there in the Oval, mocking him as an empty suit, a pretty boy beloved by the Blame-America-First crowd, whenever he has to send more troops to Afghanistan, or the Taliban act up, or Iran fires up for nukes.

CLINTON: Maybe you're right, George. Some winners think the Nobel's the kiss of death. Any peace prize that goes to Henry Kissinger but not Gandhi ain't worth a can of Alpo. Heck, if Gandhi had known he was going to lose out to Henry the K, he could have had more time to eat french fries and chase girls.

W.: And finish getting dressed. Heh-heh-heh.

CLINTON: Barack's going to give that $1.4 million away to charity. I got a charity. How 'bout he just signs it over to me? Speaking of money, we need to do another of those joint lecture things.

W.: I'm fairly footloose. This is the beginning of a beautiful friendship. Go choke on a herring, Norwegia!

Edited October 11, 2009 by jayboy

[jayboy]

Big story of the month: rhe Nobel Peace Prize. Have we learned some things about peace?

Possibly though I doubt it. We haven't yet learned however what the position of pacifists might be in taking up arms against intolerable evil, for example Nazi Germany.

[Ulysses G.]

It's a tough call between you and Ulysses, but I think you get the Nobel Award for Nitpickiness (a.k.a. finding fault in the smallest things, fueled by a need to put something/someone down any way possible).

Being considered the worst President in American history does not really fit the definition of "nitpicking".

He is also not even close to the worst president ever.

Maybe in recent history depending on your views you can assert that,

The Worst President in U.S. History is Also a Traitor

by Dave Gibson, Columnist

October 29, 2004

Jimmy Carter who has often been described as the 'best ex-president,' because of his charitable work (most notably with Habitat for Humanity) has now ruined his post-presidency reputation. For many years, Carter stayed out of the political spotlight and kept his mouth shut. After all, the man presided over the worst four years this country has ever known. He really had no room to criticize anyone.

Carter is now speaking out every time he gets the chance. He let his hatred for President Bush come out at this year's Democratic National Convention. He also has been making the rounds on the liberal talk shows, speaking out not only against the President but against the war as well. It is truly conduct unbecoming of an ex-president.

With troops fighting and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan, Carter appeared on NBC's The Today Show, where he spoke with Katie Couric. Carter said, "The war has been unnecessary." How do you suppose that seditious comment made the parents of our fallen heroes feel? Without a doubt, such a remark did nothing if not embolden our enemies.

Carter (right) recently attended the presidential election in Venezuela. He was serving in an official capacity, observing the election as a representative from the Carter Center. He declared the election to be fair and legitimate. However, many Venezuelans would probably disagree with Carter's assessment. Hugo Chavez, a great friend of Fidel Castro and the first 'democratically-elected' president to visit Saddam Hussein after the 1991 Gulf War, was re-elected.

Chavez was a strong opponent of the U.S. led invasion of Iraq. While he deems his government a 'democracy,' Chavez actually practices socialism. In short, Jimmy Carter is crazy about him! The night before the Venezuelan election was held, Carter announced to the Venezuelan people: "I might project results that will be much more satisfactory than they were in 2000 in Florida."

Carter has a history of making anti-American remarks, while abroad. He once told Haiti's dictator that he "was ashamed to be an American." Carter was angry because President Bill Clinton would not give in to all of the demands that the Haitian tyrant desired. However, as disgusting as that comment was, I did not consider it treason because this nation was not at war. Carter has now crossed the line.

As a life-long student of history (particularly political history), I cannot think of a single instance in which a former U.S. President has gone abroad to speak out against the current Commander in Chief, while at war. Make no mistake, Carter failed miserably as a president and he has now distinguished himself as a traitor. ***

© 2004 Dave Gibson

• Photo of Dave Gibson courtesy of staff files
  
• Photo of Ex-President Jimmy Carter (D-GA) courtesy of the Associated Press
  

COPYRIGHT © 2004 BY THE AMERICAN PARTISAN. All writers retain rights to their work.

[Spee]

So, if I've got this right, after reading around a 100 posts or so, it seems he's got the award because he shows potential. Is that it then?

IMHO, you don't have it right. You have it terribly wrong.

In his 9 months in office, Barry has made a conscious effort to snuggle up to all of the world's despots and turned a cold shoulder to all of America's allies. He has promised to the world that he will hamstring his own nation and those of its allies, it order to provide a big world-wide kumbaya Rodney King moment, "Can't we all just get along." Well, as the saying goes, those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Despots and dictators to not respect these sentiments. They scoff at them.

By awarding Barry the Nobel Peace Prize, the committee has essentially backed Obama (and America) further into a corner. By cooing to his massive ego, they have effectively forced him to continue with these naive, unsavvy and frankly ignorant stances that he has taken. Obama despises the military and is intent on changing America from the land of equal opportunity to the land of equal outcome. Smarter people realize that these positions are detrimental to the future of America, so they are happy to have him continue in that direction.

The Award is actually a REward to a man who took an oath to abide by the Constitution and lead, protect and defend a nation, but has led, protected and defended it by neutering it.

We need to keep in mind that this is the same organization that awarded the Peace Prize to Yasser Arafat, a hypocrite war-monger who looted and similarly hamstrung the people he supposedly led.

This is the same organization that awarded the Peace Prize to Al Gore for producing one of the world's greatest works of fiction.

So let's keep our perspective here. This award has absolutely NOTHING to do with peace. It has everything to do with trying to manipulate thinking and control large groups of people on a global scale. Don't allow yourself to be deluded into thinking it is anything else.

As a wise man once said, "A confused society is a controllable society." The Nobel committee has rewarded Barry for creating "confusion" in America.

[PeaceBlondie]

Only Le Duc Tho refused the Peace Prize, but they won the war.

There have been much worse and better presidents than Carter, but he earned the Peace Prize many times over. We agree Obama may never earn the prize.

Good night, Chet.

[cdnvic]

Back on topic please. Nobel Peace prize.

Enough of best & worse presidents and that bizzarre post about pacifists.

[Ulysses G.]

Obama's Nobel Prize: Sen. McCain congratulates while others question timing

Triangle Business Journal - by Phoenix Business Journal

There are plenty of questions regarding President Barack Obama winning the Nobel Peace Prize during his first year in office. But former presidential rival U.S. Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., is offering congratulations even as conservative talk radio commentators question the award.

"I congratulate President Obama on receiving this prestigious award. I join my fellow Americans in expressing pride in our president on this occasion," McCain said Friday in a prepared statement.

The reaction on conservative talk radio all over the country was less complimentary, as local and national commentators ask what Obama has accomplished to deserve such a prestigious award during his first year in office. They also point out that the Nobel Prize comes as the administration looks at increasing troops levels in Afghanistan.

I have a lot of respect for John McCain.

Edited October 11, 2009 by Ulysses G.

[venturalaw]

This is old news now. What award can we give him next? His acceptance speeches are so inspiring, I want MORE, MORE, MORE!

OK, I am being flip, but really, what can he look forward to now? Is there a better global award? I don't know it.

Don't worry there are more awards in their way. The word on the street is that the fix is in and that Obama will win the Miss America pageant next year. You heard it here first.

Terrific. Jingthing will be thrilled!

[animatic]

I gotta say John McCain is showing infinitely MORE CLASS than 95% of those calling themselves 'from the right'.

He is acting like a gentleman and a statesman by congratulating the President on this award.

Regardless of it's logical probity relative to his timespan in the job.

And Mr. M. is shown as a good sport, and good loser, considering how recently the election was.

This puts into stark relief the social and moral bankruptcy residing in the GOP the last few years,

and so glaring like a sun reflection off a chromed bumper as currently shown to all and sundry.

As a presently registered Republican, I feel shame for most of the GOP bretheren who act in such a

knee jerk, lockstep fashion. Truly scions and inheritors of 'The Greatest Generation?... I think not.

Thinking for yourself is not just out of fashion it seems to be considered anathema

and, god help us, Un-American to do so. Truly a saddening state of affairs for America. And dangerous too.

Certainly Rupert Murdock is partly to blame, but so many more deserve a perpwalk of shame over this.

And to hide their greed behind a facade of high-minded religiosity and pseudo-patriotism is equally shameful.

I can certainly see my primary votes for common sense in the GOP party are over whelmed by bile.

Thank you Mr. McCain for acting like a true gentleman and congratulating President Obama,

without reservation or equivocation, for winning this award, premature or not.

Rather than look forward, which is obviously the Nobel committee's aim, many seem to prefer

a back stabbing look backwards in anger. Such as that red-beady-eyed Dave Gibson above.

Searching history for anything that might be considered against Conservative principles...

not principles, imperfect word for this, but Conservative 'entrained though patterns',

and so beat a dead horse for effect, and entrain 'the base' another notch into

abrogation of individual discernment as citizens. Conservatives know how you should think,

and we will repeat it until it is beaten into your head. Righty o.

Congratulations Mr. John McCain for congratulating the President at his award,

and not taking the low road and using the decisions of others as a reason for blatant

and disgusting displays of partisan biliousness.

Edited October 12, 2009 by animatic

[brahmburgers]

It's a tough call between you and Ulysses, but I think you get the Nobel Award for Nitpickiness (a.k.a. finding fault in the smallest things, fueled by a need to put something/someone down any way possible).

Being considered the worst President in American history does not really fit the definition of "nitpicking".

Face it, we're not going to agree. I will continue to think Carter was a good president. Certainly better than Reagan who succeeded him - who sanctioned illegally trading weapons to Iran (while there was an embargo) in order to illegally fund a right wing terrorist group in Nicaragua. Perhaps Reagan was your idea of a good president. ....or Nixon, or Bush II, ....ha ha ha, fine bunch of liars and crooks.

Why liberals chose to ignore these FACTS is something I will never understand. Instead you claim that he is basically the Messiah on a mission (along with his teleprompter). Believe me, we have all lost. Lost big!

What did we lose? Maybe you and your buddies lost face because someone you're determined to hate won a prestigious int'l award? I didn't lose, because a man I trust (Obama) is given credence and confidence (being awarded the Peace Prize). Obama, more than any one person, has the wherewithal and the means to do good for this troubled planet.

Now, if the Nobel people can come up with a prize for lessening over-population, then I'd really take notice. There's one species on this planet which is actively harming and threatening all other species. It's doing t his mainly by irresponsibly propagating (test tube babies, irresponsible men, etc), and thereby making more messes (pollution, habitat destruction, etc.). The sooner we bring human populations down severely, (and convince Catholics to use birth control), the sooner the planet can begin the long healing process. Am I a tree hugger? Yes.

[Ulysses G.]

It's a tough call between you and Ulysses, but I think you get the Nobel Award for Nitpickiness (a.k.a. finding fault in the smallest things, fueled by a need to put something/someone down any way possible).

Being considered the worst President in American history does not really fit the definition of "nitpicking".

Face it, we're not going to agree. I will continue to think Carter was a good president. Certainly better than Reagan who succeeded him

You mean the same Reagan who said, "Tear down that wall", and helped end Communism? He is not a favorite of mine, but he was certainly far superior to Jiimmy Peanut.

[cdnvic]

I must have just dreamt about asking people to stick to the topic.

[Ulysses G.]

Sorry, I was baited into it.

[david96]

A US man of the military was recently asked questions at a Senate enquiry as he wanted more troops for Afghanistan.

Q. Do the Taliban have an Airforce?

A. No

Q Does the Taliban have a large well equipped and organised Army?

A. No.

Q. Why is the US, they most powerful military country in the world, not winning the war?

A. We are not winning the war because the Taliban choose to fight on their own terms

and at places of their own choosing.

The news documentary the shows about 6 Taliban on trailbikes, no armour and equipped with

rocket launchers and AK47s, riding off into the setting sun.

And the Americans cannot work it out yet.

Edited October 12, 2009 by david96

[losworld]

I gotta say John McCain is showing infinitely MORE CLASS than 95% of those calling themselves 'from the right'.

He is acting like a gentleman and a statesman by congratulating the President on this award.

Regardless of it's logical probity relative to his timespan in the job.

And Mr. M. is shown as a good sport, and good loser, considering how recently the election was.

This puts into stark relief the social and moral bankruptcy residing in the GOP the last few years,

and so glaring like a sun reflection off a chromed bumper as currently shown to all and sundry.

As a presently registered Republican, I feel shame for most of the GOP bretheren who act in such a

knee jerk, lockstep fashion. Truly scions and inheritors of 'The Greatest Generation?... I think not.

Thinking for yourself is not just out of fashion it seems to be considered anathema

and, god help us, Un-American to do so. Truly a saddening state of affairs for America. And dangerous too.

Certainly Rupert Murdock is partly to blame, but so many more deserve a perpwalk of shame over this.

And to hide their greed behind a facade of high-minded religiosity and pseudo-patriotism is equally shameful.

I can certainly see my primary votes for common sense in the GOP party are over whelmed by bile.

Thank you Mr. McCain for acting like a true gentleman and congratulating President Obama,

without reservation or equivocation, for winning this award, premature or not.

Rather than look forward, which is obviously the Nobel committee's aim, many seem to prefer

a back stabbing look backwards in anger. Such as that red-beady-eyed Dave Gibson above.

Searching history for anything that might be considered against Conservative principles...

not principles, imperfect word for this, but Conservative 'entrained though patterns',

and so beat a dead horse for effect, and entrain 'the base' another notch into

abrogation of individual discernment as citizens. Conservatives know how you should think,

and we will repeat it until it is beaten into your head. Righty o.

Congratulations Mr. John McCain for congratulating the President at his award,

and not taking the low road and using the decisions of others as a reason for blatant

and disgusting displays of partisan biliousness.

McCain and Obama answer to the same circle of influence peddlers. Repubs and Dems are one and the same in action and only deceptively differently in words around election time.

[cdnvic]

Thank you for participating everyone. It's time to get back to all news Thai.

Congrats Mr President, though I'm still baffled.

Late Edit: On the advice of a member, we will leave this topic on a light hearted note.