Red Shirt Rally November 29

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RED-SHIRT RALLY

Govt to monitor Jakrapob's phone-in: Satit

By The Nation

The government has reminded media outlets to abide by the law when reporting the phone-in of fugitive red-shirt leader Jakrapob Penkair, PM's Office Minister Satit Wongnongtoey said on Thursday.

The Jakrapob's phone-in, scheduled for this afternoon, will be closely monitored by authorities, Satit said in reference to a threat to smuggle weapons via the Northeast borders for an uprising during the rally from November 29 to December 3.

"The government is definitely keeping a close tap on Jakrapob who is acting hostile to the country and its revered institution," he said.

He said he feared the red shirts might be prone to use violence in order to force the government's exit.

"The government is bracing for any eventuality and remains confident to keep the situation under control," he said, denying speculation about relocating the seat of admistration from Government House.

-- The Nation 2009/11/19

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Red-shirts to Hold Mobile Rally on Nov 30

UPDATE : 19 November 2009

After scheduling a major rally for Sunday November 29, today red-shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan revealed the group is prolonging its gathering with mobile rallies planned at different spots around Bangkok for Monday November 30.

-- Tan Network 2009/11/19

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Jakrapob Admits to Having Met Thaksin in Cambodia

UPDATE : 19 November 2009

Fugitive red-shirt leader Jakrapob Penkair said via a phone-interview that he met with former PM Thaksin Shinawatra during his visit to Cambodia. However, Jakrapob denied masterminding the transport of weapons into Thailand.

-- Tan Network 2009/11/19

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[WinnieTheKhwai]

Missed opportunity to have the word 'fugitive' twice in the same sentence. I think they're losing their edge.

Suggest to change the topic title; none of this has anything to do with the rally. And there currently is no topic on this rally.

Edited November 19, 2009 by WinnieTheKhwai

[givenall]

Red-shirts to Hold Mobile Rally on Nov 30

UPDATE : 19 November 2009

After scheduling a major rally for Sunday November 29, today red-shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan revealed the group is prolonging its gathering with mobile rallies planned at different spots around Bangkok for Monday November 30.

-- Tan Network 2009/11/19

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First Mr. T now Jatuporn Prompan. Their bark is louder than, ooohh well you know what I mean

[sbk]

here ya go winnie:

Red rally to be held on Nov 29

The red shirts plan their "showdown rally" against the government from November 29, which they expect one million people to join and the administration to be overthrown before the New Year's Day.

Jatuporn Phrompan, an MP from the opposition Pheu Thai Party who is a red-shirt leader, said Tuesday that the rally would be halted between December 3 and 5, when ceremonies marking His Majesty the King's birthday are organised, and would be resumed afterwards.

"We believe one million people will take part, as has been expected. And we believe that we will be able to reach the end game. If we are unable to overthrow the government, we will resume our rally after December 5," Jatuporn said.

The Nation

-- The Nation 2009/11/19

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Red Shirts rally to oust Abhisit government Nov 28

BANGKOK, Nov 19 (TNA) -Thailand's anti-government United Front for Democracy Against Dictatorship (UDD) on Thursday announced that the movement will rally to oust the Abhisit Vejjajiva government beginning Saturday November 28 and will prolong its protest for another five days, expecting that over million Red Shirt supporters to turn up at the rally site.

UDD key leader Nattawut Saikua said after the group's meeting that the rally will begin at the Democracy Monument on Bangkok's Ratchadamnoen Road at noon before marching to Suan Misakawan intersection.

He said the protest at the Suan Misakawan intersection will continue through December 2, with more than one million Red Shirt activists expected to call for the end of the Democrat-led coalition government.

"On November 30, we will march to several roads and then will return to Suan Misakawan intersection in the evening," said Mr Nattawut. "This will be the biggest ever rally in Thai history and will lead to the dissolution of the House of Representatives."

The UDD leader said that details of the marching routes will be announced later.

Mr Nattawut added that the UDD demonstrators will disperse peacefully on December 2, to open the way for the "Trooping the Colours", the annual military parade of the Royal Guard which will be held the following day to mark the birthday of His Majesty the King.

After the king's birthday on December 5, Mr Nattawut said, the UDD expects an answer from the Abhisit government and if the demand is not responded, they will restage a prolonged rally against the government.

The UDD leader said that from Monday through Thursday next week (November 23-26) the movement will hold "Red in the Land on Tour" in upcountry, beginning with the north, and continuing to the northeast, eastern and central regions respectively, to drum up for the event, before moving to join with the main stage in the capital on November 28. (TNA)

-- TNA 2009/11/19

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[WinnieTheKhwai]

Thanks!!!

expecting that over million Red Shirt supporters to turn up at the rally site.

Maybe they plan to count by the day, and keep totaling up the numbers?

Personally I wish the focus would be on coming up with a new political movement and leadership within Phuea Thai. Even if they're successful and elections are called, then what: Chavalit as PM? I may be somewhat on the red side, but I have a hard time getting excited about the prospect of Chavalit as PM.

[baht&sold]

Thanks!!!

expecting that over million Red Shirt supporters to turn up at the rally site.

Maybe they plan to count by the day, and keep totaling up the numbers?

Personally I wish the focus would be on coming up with a new political movement and leadership within Phuea Thai. Even if they're successful and elections are called, then what: Chavalit as PM? I may be somewhat on the red side, but I have a hard time getting excited about the prospect of Chavalit as PM.

Cheer up Whinnie, there's always the right 'honourable' Mr Chalerm as back-up PM for Mr Thaksin....

[rixalex]

Missed opportunity to have the word 'fugitive' twice in the same sentence. I think they're losing their edge.

Yes, i've noticed certain members of the forum who seem to get irritated by publications using the "fugitive" prefix. Something they'd rather not be reminded of perhaps.

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Democrat MPs call for revocation of Jatuporn's bail

Law enforcement and judicial authorities should revoke bail granted to red-shirt leader Jatuporn Prompan on the ground for his spearheading the red shirts to oust the government, a group of five Democrat MPs said on Thursday.

"Jatuporn has openly declared to drive out the government by he upcoming rally, scheduled to start on November 29; this is a clear violation of his bail," Democrat Watchara Phetthong said.

Watchara said a key condition for the temporary release was for Jatuporn to refrain from inciting the crowds, a caution to prevent a repeat of the Songkran mayhem.

-- The Nation 2009/11/19

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Jakrapob admits meeting Thaksin in Cambodia

By The Nation

Fugitive Jakrapob Penkair on Thursday had a video link with the red shirts denying his involvement in trying to incite the insurrection.

"I have never given an interview to the foreign press threatening to smuggle weapons into Thailand from a neighbouring country," he said.

He said the allegation was a frame-up against him for political gains.

In April, Jakrapob said in an interview with BBC that he believed the room for unarmed and non-violent means to resolve Thailand's problem is getting smaller every day.

He was speaking from an undisclosed location after escaping an arrest warrant for instigating chaos in the country during Songkran Day. The military dispersed the protest in a bloodless crackdown.

The BBC quoted Jakrapob in April as saying the red-shirt movement to drive the Abhisit Vejjajiva government out was not spent, but rather would come back even fiercer, including adopting guerrilla tactics if necessary, to achieve its goal.

Jakrapob said the struggle to bring down the present administration would continue, but the room for legal means is getting smaller.

He insisted different tactics would be used to confront of government, including possible clandestine suversion or armed attack.

Jakrapob said the struggle to bring down the present administration would continue, but the opponents would no longer rely on conventional forms of protest.

Different tactics would be used to confront the government, including possible clandestine subversion or armed attacks, he had said.

On Thursday, he insisted he had no involvement should violence erupt at the upcomong rally scheduled for November 29.

He said he saw the red-shirt rally as "a good thing" in the struggle to advance democracy although he would not comment about the attempt to bring down the government.

"I am not certain whether democracy would resume after the downfall of the government," he said.

He said his splinter group, known as Daeng Siam (Red Siam), may eventually reunite with the mainstream red shirts inspite of their tactical differences.

He also admitted he had had a meeting with fugitive ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra last week in Cambodia. He refused, however, to disclose his whereabouts.

An intelligence source said he is taking refuge in Burma.

-- The Nation 2009/11/19

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[otherstuff1957]

There are all kinds of interesting quotes in that article!:

Jakrapob admits meeting Thaksin in Cambodia

By The Nation

Jakrapob said the struggle to bring down the present administration would continue, but the opponents would no longer rely on conventional forms of protest.

Different tactics would be used to confront the government, including possible clandestine subversion or armed attacks,

"I am not certain whether democracy would resume after the downfall of the government," he said.

An intelligence source said he is taking refuge in Burma.

-- The Nation 2009/11/19

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I think we can expect a twitter from Thaksin saying that virtually everything in this article is a misquote!

[h90]

Thanks!!!

expecting that over million Red Shirt supporters to turn up at the rally site.

Maybe they plan to count by the day, and keep totaling up the numbers?

Personally I wish the focus would be on coming up with a new political movement and leadership within Phuea Thai. Even if they're successful and elections are called, then what: Chavalit as PM? I may be somewhat on the red side, but I have a hard time getting excited about the prospect of Chavalit as PM.

Chalerm maybe?

But it is not important, the whole red movement is under control of Thaksin and its purpose is to bring him back into power.

There is no other purpose. There is no red movement that want to change anything for the people or want more democracy.

[MaiChai]

Don't Taksin and co realise the military will never let them get in power again? Its just not an option. I can't believe they think they can win against the military.

[zzaa09]

Don't Taksin and co realise the military will never let them get in power again? Its just not an option. I can't believe they think they can win against the military.

They were strained bunk-mates in the past, as long as those involved got their cut.....so why the change of heart? Most of us know the answer to this simple query, as it's posed rhetorically.

[LaoPo]

Don't Taksin and co realise the military will never let them get in power again? Its just not an option. I can't believe they think they can win against the military.

I've always been under the impression that there were 2 kinds of military....red and yellow? One of them more dormant than the other, depending on the present situation and government in power...

True or not true ?

LaoPo

[zzaa09]

Don't Taksin and co realise the military will never let them get in power again? Its just not an option. I can't believe they think they can win against the military.

I've always been under the impression that there were 2 kinds of military....red and yellow? One of them more dormant than the other, depending on the present situation and government in power...

True or not true ?

LaoPo

Regardless.....it's sad that we subconsciously {subliminally} accepted, even understand, the reference to a steadfast system of militarism entrenched within political and civil infrastructures.

Edited November 19, 2009 by zzaa09

[Publicus]

Don't Taksin and co realise the military will never let them get in power again? Its just not an option. I can't believe they think they can win against the military.

I've always been under the impression that there were 2 kinds of military....red and yellow? One of them more dormant than the other, depending on the present situation and government in power...

True or not true ?

LaoPo

Regardless.....it's sad that we subconsciously {subliminally} accepted, even understand, the reference to a steadfast system of militarism entrenched within political and civil infrastructures.

Yes it is sad, however, the fact remains that THE military is in fact as factionalized and fractured as Thai politics and society itself. THE Thai military is rather a collection of units of varying sizes and of varying loyalities which Thaksin is counting on. However, Gen Prem also has his military units which always have prevailed in the past so there isn't any reason to believe those loyalist units wouldn't prevail yet again, especially against Thaksin the Cambodian. The loyalist units, based afar from Bangkok politics in Nakon Rachasima, are absolute in their loyalty and are fierce.

Edited November 19, 2009 by Publicus

[justanothercybertosser]

Don't Taksin and co realise the military will never let them get in power again? Its just not an option. I can't believe they think they can win against the military.

I've always been under the impression that there were 2 kinds of military....red and yellow? One of them more dormant than the other, depending on the present situation and government in power...

True or not true ?

LaoPo

It is a lot more complex.

You have unit loyalty, you have pre-cadet class loyalty, and you have extremely strong loyalties in the school alumni (especially Suan Gulab), which can all overlay the Red-Yellow divisions. Red and yellow are just two more additional factors in the military, and can change as the wind blows.

You have also huge differences between officers who graduated from Chulalomklao, and officers that joined the military after university, or the ones who made it up the ranks (the latter two can only become colonels at most, and can only receive a general's rank at retirement, but are often much more approachable and trustworthy for us foreigners).

[IMA_FARANG]

Interesting times to be had then in the next week or so.

We will see what happens.

I admit to being greedy....my real desire is to see the Baht/Dollar rate go back above 33 to a dollar...35 would be nice.

40 would be better, but I doubt that is possible, right now.

Some turmoil in Thailand might help that.

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Red shirts' rally now on Nov 28

Jatuporn

The red shirts will begin a "showdown rally" on November 28 - a day earlier than previously planned, in a bid to "bring down" the government by the end of the year, a group leader said yesterday.

Nattawut Saikua said red-shirt protesters would gather at Democracy Monument on Saturday week and stay there overnight before moving to Royal Plaza the following day when a rehearsal of the Trooping of the Colours was completed.

"We expect one million people to join the rally," he claimed. "And protesters will walk along important roads throughout Bangkok to show off our greatest power," he said.

Nattawut, formerly a government spokesman, said the red shirts would disperse temporarily on December 2 to make way for ceremonies to mark His Majesty the King's birthday on December 5, and would re-gather after that.

"If the government continues to resist calls by one million people for the House to be dissolved and a new general election, the red shirts will come back to rally again after December 5. More people will join and we will continue our protest until we win," he said.

Before the major rally, small protests would be staged in all regions of the country next week to drum up support to "overthrow" the government.

Another red-shirt leader Jatuporn Phrompan yesterday criticised the government for allowing banned politician Newin Chidchob to head a committee to organise celebrations for His Majesty the King's birthday.

Jatuporn, who is an MP from the opposition Pheu Thai Party, said the government should not allow a person with a "tainted reputation" to be involved with such an important task. He accused Newin of trying to clean up his questionable political record by getting involved with organising the celebrations.

Meanwhile, fugitive red-shirt leader Jakrapob Penkair had a video link with the red shirts yesterday, but denied he was involved in trying to incite an insurrection.

"I have never given an interview to the foreign press threatening to smuggle weapons into Thailand from a neighbouring country," he said.

Jakrapob, who is wanted by police for his involvement in the April riots, said the allegation was a frame-up against him for political reasons. He insisted he had no involvement should violence erupt at the upcoming rally.

He said he saw the red-shirt rally as "a good thing" in the struggle to advance democracy although he would not comment about attempts to bring down the government.

"I am not certain whether democracy would resume if the government is brought down."

He said his splinter group, known as Daeng Siam (Red Siam), may eventually reunite with mainstream red shirts in spite of tactical differences.

Jakrapob also admitted he met with fugitive ex-premier Thaksin Shinawatra last week in Cambodia. But he refused to disclose his whereabouts.

In a related development, Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva said yesterday that Thaksin, now an economic adviser to the Cambodian government, would be arrested if he entered the Northeast as he has reportedly said.

Asked if the government would impose the Internal Security Act during the red shirts' rally, he said he would wait for further information and recommendations from security agencies.

A senior intelligence source said the red shirts' protest next week would be watched carefully as it could turn violent. He said Thaksin had shown that his only objective now was to destroy the Abhisit government.

"During his visit to Cambodia as an economic adviser last week, Thaksin attacked the government by all means which implied that he was seeking to spark a final war," the source said. And the ex-PM's latest Twitter messages also attacked the government fiercely and directly. Thus, the red shirts could resort to any means, particularly violence, to help Thaksin achieve his goal.

-- The Nation 2009/11/20

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[rixalex]

I admit to being greedy

Some turmoil in Thailand might help that.

Here's praying for a bit of anarchy and destruction so IMA FARANG has a few more bob in his pocket.

[jonclark]

The government will be there before and after the rally, all this will do is help people adjust their travel plans and take their winter holiday in another country..

It's such a shame, instead of promoting the kings birthday and inviting people from far and wide to come and celebrate and join with the Thai people and see real thai culture and to be part of a wonderful historic event...we have this vengeful rant sullying a special time.

It will be interesting to hear his majestys comments during his birthday speech.

Taksin, Jutaporn and Jakrapob - Buddism 101: Desire = Suffering, (You desire power, you will experience suffering)

[scorecard]

Thanks!!!

expecting that over million Red Shirt supporters to turn up at the rally site.

Maybe they plan to count by the day, and keep totaling up the numbers?

Personally I wish the focus would be on coming up with a new political movement and leadership within Phuea Thai. Even if they're successful and elections are called, then what: Chavalit as PM? I may be somewhat on the red side, but I have a hard time getting excited about the prospect of Chavalit as PM.

Cheer up Whinnie, there's always the right 'honourable' Mr Chalerm as back-up PM for Mr Thaksin....

Or chalerm then he could quickly organize for one of his sons to step into the role. Or even jatuporn or even a return of somchai. Wow, so much talent.

[Artisi]

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Or chalerm then he could quickly organize for one of his sons to step into the role. Or even jatuporn or even a return of somchai. Wow, so much talent.

So much wasted talent, yes it's a shame they haven't been "wasted" like in "make my day"

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Security law enforcement likely to rein in the red shirts

The government is carefully assessing the situation and will likely invoke the internal security law to deal with the upcoming rally by the red shirts, scheduled to start on November 28, Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thuagsuban said on Friday.

"The Cabinet may debate the enforcement of security measures during its weekly meeting on Tuesday," he said.

-- The Nation 2009/11/20

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[limhoi]

Missed opportunity to have the word 'fugitive' twice in the same sentence. I think they're losing their edge.

Suggest to change the topic title; none of this has anything to do with the rally. And there currently is no topic on this rally.

The "Fugitive' requirement is for only one per article.

So they have met the quota here.

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Security law enforcement likely to rein in the red shirts

The government is carefully assessing the situation and will likely invoke the internal security law to deal with the upcoming rally by the red shirts, scheduled to start on November 28, Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thuagsuban said on Friday.

"The Cabinet may debate the enforcement of security measures during its weekly meeting on Tuesday," he said.

-- The Nation 2009/11/20

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I guess now Jatuporn has been caught lying to try and build anger it is a bit easier to justify the ISA usage. Seriously you'd think that the red side would rein him in or at least check they werent going to be outflanked by making accusations false or otherwise that would be denied by a froeign power.

[xminator]

Over time the "red" faction of the millitary will get more numbers. Simply because the military statistically will recruit more people from the red powerbase. The powerbase that Thaksin built his rise on is still growing faster, just look at the demographics of thailand. Of course there is a chance that officers only get recruited from certain circles of society, but that is also a dual edged sword. Talent dont follow social status.

I dont see how the elite junta can keep to their absolute power without moving toward a less democratic and more oppressive society. Its a power change you see in any country with a rapid growing population.