Valium Bust Strands Kiwi Teen In Phuket

[starkey_rich]

This kid comes to Thailand and disrespects the Thai people with his drug usage? Why didn't he stay at home if he wanted to abuse drugs? Thai government must keep a hard line on this type of trouble making by farang. I think he deserves a few months inside to sober up.

Disrespect Thai people with drug abuse.Just p-issed myself laughing.

Take a look at all the Thai's on yabaa first

[coalminer]

Two quick responses to this thread:

1. In my country, the possesion of FM receivers which are capable to receive the Taxi/Airplane/Police band (<87MHz or >104 MHz) is strictly forbidden and if cought with their posession can send you to jail for a long term.

Yet, in a lot of shops, these receivers (Tandy shops) can be purchased over the counter.

The law in my country also makes a difference in the words "possesing" and "using".

If someone is caught with possesing such a receiver but it is not "on", the Court decision will be much lighter than when someone is caught with such a switched on. Even it it is not his.

Thailand is not the only country which such contradicting laws.

2. A few weeks ago, I went to my hospital in Thailand to do my monthly checkup and get my Cardiac drugs for 1 month.

My wife who goes with me everytime, asked the Cardiolog if he could give her sleeping tablets.

When I went to the counter to collect my drugs, there were 4 blistes of XANAX for my wife.

If a cop had arrested us in the way home, the only thing I could present to the cops was a bag with the name of the hospital and the bill.

Yes, TIT.

Be careful of what you carry with you.

[mrtoad]

abuse drugs?

With valium??

Not the sharpest tool in the box are you? Vallium is one of the most abused RX drugs on the market - have you heard of Benzodiapepine dependency or Benzo addiction?

However, I do find this whole scenario rather ridiculous.

[hammered]

This is ludicrious. It's illegal to have them, but it's 'quasi' legal to sell them!

Abuse of meds by expats out here seems endemic.

[dttk0009]

This is ludicrious. It's illegal to have them, but it's 'quasi' legal to sell them!

Abuse of meds by expats out here seems endemic.

I wholeheartedly disagree.

[TAWP]

I fail to understand how this works. Someone can go into a pharmacy and buy a medication and then get arrested for having it, without the pharmacy getting into trouble.

It is not up to the pharmacy to know if the person has a legal right to have the substance. The person could even be buying it for a relative with permission that is waiting at home, at which point the purchase and transportation of the pills would be deemed 'ok' during a trial or police-check.

What we have to cast aside is the notion that 'they can sell it so I can buy it' is true here - it is not. That is a false nanny-state presumption.

[way2muchcoffee]

It is not up to the pharmacy to know if the person has a legal right to have the substance. The person could even be buying it for a relative with permission that is waiting at home, at which point the purchase and transportation of the pills would be deemed 'ok' during a trial or police-check.

That's not true. Pharmacies in Thailand are not allowed to sell diazepam without a script in hand. Your libertarian ideals are not the law. But maybe they should be?

[dttk0009]

I fail to understand how this works. Someone can go into a pharmacy and buy a medication and then get arrested for having it, without the pharmacy getting into trouble.

It is not up to the pharmacy to know if the person has a legal right to have the substance. The person could even be buying it for a relative with permission that is waiting at home, at which point the purchase and transportation of the pills would be deemed 'ok' during a trial or police-check.

What we have to cast aside is the notion that 'they can sell it so I can buy it' is true here - it is not. That is a false nanny-state presumption.

How would it be 'ok' if you are in posession of illegal narcotics. You own them as you purchased them and fail to provide the necessary prescription during a police check. As if the cops would let you slide with 'it's for my friend!'. According to your theory all you need is to know someone who has this prescription and just buy away. Totally ludicrous.

The assumption that when things are for sale here that they are legal is realistic and has little to do with nanny-states. If an item is only obtainable with a permit the correct way to go about it would be to require the permit on location in order for the sale to process, otherwise you're going to have lots of people running around with the drugs unaware that they are illegal, which ironically is perfect if a corrupt police force is operating the streets. I'm sure the clerks here won't give you a heads up either (in fact, I'm sure a lot of them are unaware of the legal status of their drugs in the first place).

[TAWP]

It is not up to the pharmacy to know if the person has a legal right to have the substance. The person could even be buying it for a relative with permission that is waiting at home, at which point the purchase and transportation of the pills would be deemed 'ok' during a trial or police-check.

That's not true. Pharmacies in Thailand are not allowed to sell diazepam without a script in hand. Your libertarian ideals are not the law. But maybe they should be?

Pharmacies are allowed to sell Valium without requiring a prescription, the info in this thread says.

[TAWP]

I fail to understand how this works. Someone can go into a pharmacy and buy a medication and then get arrested for having it, without the pharmacy getting into trouble.

It is not up to the pharmacy to know if the person has a legal right to have the substance. The person could even be buying it for a relative with permission that is waiting at home, at which point the purchase and transportation of the pills would be deemed 'ok' during a trial or police-check.

What we have to cast aside is the notion that 'they can sell it so I can buy it' is true here - it is not. That is a false nanny-state presumption.

How would it be 'ok' if you are in posession of illegal narcotics. You own them as you purchased them and fail to provide the necessary prescription during a police check. As if the cops would let you slide with 'it's for my friend!'. According to your theory all you need is to know someone who has this prescription and just buy away. Totally ludicrous.

The assumption that when things are for sale here that they are legal is realistic and has little to do with nanny-states. If an item is only obtainable with a permit the correct way to go about it would be to require the permit on location in order for the sale to process, otherwise you're going to have lots of people running around with the drugs unaware that they are illegal, which ironically is perfect if a corrupt police force is operating the streets. I'm sure the clerks here won't give you a heads up either (in fact, I'm sure a lot of them are unaware of the legal status of their drugs in the first place).

You are responsible to know if the drugs you purchase are legal or not. Be it from a pharmacy or a bloke on the street.

In my world it would be legal for you to own and use them too, but we are not there yet.

And while you try to use the western approach to 'possession', the fact of the matter is that if you have a rational explanation and can provide testimony and paperwork to back it up, the chances are that the police will listen to it. We might think that some ways here are backwards but as they are less stringent on absolute rule of law they are also more flexible and approachable to common sense. Kinda like how it is easier to deal with a Sherif dep. in a smaller town than police officers in NY when it comes to the same subject. One is there to maintain the peace the other is there to uphold the law.

[orosee]

Pretty silly the entire story, but I'm sure that as I'm writing this, police is already cracking down on pharmacies all over Phuket.

If not, perhaps these laws can be changed accordingly:

- it is okay for shops to sell cigarettes and alcohol to minors, since it is forbidden for them to smoke/drink. However if caught with the goods on the street, minors should immediately produce a written note of the parent/older sibling/uncle etc. stating clearly that the kid was just shooping on his/her behalf.

Otherwise arrest, of course.

Or just prohibit the sales of Valium etc. from 2pm to 5pm (unless bought in bulk, of course).

[way2muchcoffee]

It is not up to the pharmacy to know if the person has a legal right to have the substance. The person could even be buying it for a relative with permission that is waiting at home, at which point the purchase and transportation of the pills would be deemed 'ok' during a trial or police-check.

That's not true. Pharmacies in Thailand are not allowed to sell diazepam without a script in hand. Your libertarian ideals are not the law. But maybe they should be?

Pharmacies are allowed to sell Valium without requiring a prescription, the info in this thread says.

The pharmacies have 'tacit' approval from local police in Phuket. I repeat, it is against the law in Thailand to sell valium without a script. Whether the police choose to enforce that law is another issue entirely.

[TAWP]

A side-note: if you buy Valium and use them as a normal person, as if you had prescription, in your home, I doubt anyone will cause you any problems.

This story is lacking info on why this kid got caught with them but chances are he was doing something he shouldn't be doing.

[Captain Jack]

Allow the pharmacy to sell it to the kid, then arrest the kid. How's the kid supposed to know it's illegal if the pharmacy just sells it to him no questions asked? The pharmacist sure as hel_l knew what he was doing when he sold it to the kid, yet we aren't reading about him getting arrested and paying big fines are we?

This most certainly is Thailand isn't it.

BTW, valium is no more dangerous a drug than the alcohol some of you are complaining it might end up mixed with. What's more dangerous, a sedative with minimal side effects or a stimulant that causes loss of co-ordination and reasoning ability, exaggerated confidence, dehydration, and eventually unconsciousness. All my life I have struggled to understand why so many relatively harmless drugs are controlled/restricted, while one of the worst of the lot is openly available world-wide. It's not just Thailand that's crazy.

[dom samui]

Awareness on how easy it is to overdose Oxycontin(Oxy's) it's other ABUSE dangers and the dangers of Prescription Drug Abuse

Valium

Use:

To treat anxiety disorders and for short- term anxiety relief.

Overdose Symptoms:

Coma, confusion, diminished reflexes, sleepiness.

If you suspect an overdose seek medical attention immediately.

More Common Side Effects:

Drowsiness, fatigue, light headedness, loss of muscle coordination.

Less Common Side Effects:

Anxiety, blurred vision, changes in salivation, changes in sex drive, confusion, constipation, depression, difficulty urinating, dizziness, double vision, hallucinations, headache, inability to hold urine, low blood pressure, nausea, over stimulation, seizures, skin rash rage, sleep disturbances, slow heartbeat, slurred speech, tremors dizziness, yellowing of skin and eyes.

Effects from abrupt withdrawal:

Muscle cramps, convulsions, sweating , tremors and vomiting.

Do not take if you are pregnant; Valium increases the risk of birth defects.

Do Not mix this drug with any other drug INCLUDING ALCOHOL.

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[TheJoker12]

You guys really are silly.

In the West, you have to pay to get a prescription. This is not a nanny state, therefore you can buy whatever you want, but if you do not have a prescription its illegal.

I know, very difficult to teach old dogs new tricks.

[dom samui]

Diazepam drugs such as Valium were first synthesized in the 1950's by Dr. Sternbach of Hoffman La-Roche. It was approved for use by the Food and Drug Administration in 1960, and released on to the United States drug market in 1963.

From 1969 - 1982, Valium was the top-selling medication in the United States, with an estimated 2.3 billion tablets sold and consumed by the American

public.

Valium and other Diazepam drugs have been most commonly prescribed to treat: Generalized Anxiety Disorder, extreme cases of insomnia, states of agitation or aggression, in conjunction with other drugs to treat Epilepsy, painful muscle spasms, pre and post-operative sedation, Irritable Bowel Syndrome, withdrawal of alcohol or opioids, overdosage of hallucinogens or stimulants, and for emergency treatment of eclampsia.

Potent mood-stabilizing medications such Diazepam drugs offer a wide array of dangerous and frightening side effects, including: seizure, a false sense of well-being, depression, confusion, loss of coordination and motor function, slurred speech, severe stuttering, inability to concentrate, periods of "black out", fatigue, drowsiness, dizziness, loss of appetite, respiratory depression, lack of fear in risking-taking behaviors, compulsive thoughts and behaviors, and even thoughts of suicide.

Diazepam medications interact dangerously with several commonly prescribed medications and beverages, such as: Tagamet, muscle relaxants (Soma, Flexeril), barbiturates, alcohol, sedatives, opioid pain killers (Lortab, Oxycontin, Ultram), Caffeinated beverages, and tobacco use.

When taken in conjunction with powerful opioids such as Methadone and Morphine, Valium interacts very dangerously and often leads to slow pulse, shallow breathing, overdose, and even death.

Powerful narcotics such as Diazepam drugs can quickly lead to physical and psychological addiction. Physicians believe that addiction can begin in as little as one to two weeks of use. Even those following their prescriber's dosing instructions are at risk for developing a dependency.

Symptoms of Valium withdrawal include: seizure, heavy sweating, nausea, vomiting, diarrhea, extreme anxiety, depression, emotional instability, paranoia, aggression, confusion, tremors, muscle spasms, fever, flu-like symptoms, insomnia, fatigue, lack of appetite, and even suicidal

thoughts and tendencies.

Diazepam drugs should not be discontinued abruptly. Changes in daily dosing habits may result in the onset of acute withdrawal symptoms. The recommended mode of discontinuation is a medically supervised taper (a "taper plan" is the commitment to a gradual reduction in intake over the period of several weeks or even months, depending upon use).

Valium withdrawal is very excruciating and painful for its users, thus it can often lead to crimes such as theft, robbery, and prescription fraud.

Users and dealers are known to "doctor shop", which is visiting multiple physicians until one agrees to prescribe their desired drug, in order to obtain prescriptions of Valium.

Sadly, Valium is only one of numerous drugs currently contributing to a nationwide prescription drug epidemic. And as long as this powerful drug is being prescribed, it will continue to be abused.

Sources:

http://www.drugs.com/valium.html

http://en.wikipedia.com/diazepam

[dttk0009]

You guys really are silly.

In the West, you have to pay to get a prescription. This is not a nanny state, therefore you can buy whatever you want, but if you do not have a prescription its illegal.

I know, very difficult to teach old dogs new tricks.

You forgot to add that here you are also not told when something is illegal to buy even though it's being legally sold to you, where as in the west it is made perfectly clear that a prescription is necessary. Buying something in a local pharmacy one would assume that no prescription is required if there are no labels present, no signs present and no pharmaceutical advice to indicate otherwise. In fact, I'm positive that the only reason you are aware of Valium's legal status now is through this thread's story.

[dom samui]

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You guys really are silly.

In the West, you have to pay to get a prescription. This is not a nanny state, therefore you can buy whatever you want, but if you do not have a prescription its illegal.

I know, very difficult to teach old dogs new tricks.

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Of course we are all silly !!!! Maestro :D

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TheJoker12

2010-01-04 18:31:40

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we have a young child which takes up all of my wife's time and energy. i have offered maids and nannies but she refuses outright without discussion. we are not having sex anywhere near the frequency that i require. i have been going along with it but its starting to ruin my life. what am i supposed to do?

a. cheat and risk passing an STD to her

b. ask her to let me cheat (i have absolutely no idea how she will take that, obviously badly)

i have expressed this problem to her but she does not seem to care and is just too busy.

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Same i told before you are really lucky that BROMIDE is allowed here in thailand !!! Don"t OVERDOSE

We will miss you !

[boggle]

As you walk down Sukhumvit there are so many pavement vendors selling viagra etc. All it needs is a cop to watch and radio his partner which guy has just purchased the stuff and viola money in the pocket. Just an extension of the smoking tourist who gets busted for littering by the ever eagled eyed BIBs and 2000 bht gone from the tourist who is unaware of what is going on.

[harleyclarkey]

As you walk down Sukhumvit there are so many pavement vendors selling viagra etc. All it needs is a cop to watch and radio his partner which guy has just purchased the stuff and viola money in the pocket. Just an extension of the smoking tourist who gets busted for littering by the ever eagled eyed BIBs and 2000 bht gone from the tourist who is unaware of what is going on.

Buy off the street at your peril....mostly junk and rubbish.

Whatever chance you may have stick to the pharmacy.

[harleyclarkey]

This is ludicrious. It's illegal to have them, but it's 'quasi' legal to sell them!

Just think this way.. Its legal for a Thai to sell them, illegal for a farang to have them.. See the difference

Absolutely.......if it was the other way around it would be the seller in the clink.

This is just the normal, everyday way of doing business in smiling Thailand, especially for those fine, upstanding pillars of Thai society......the members of the police community. Fleece and harass the foreigner....protect and cosset the local.

[boggle]

As you walk down Sukhumvit there are so many pavement vendors selling viagra etc. All it needs is a cop to watch and radio his partner which guy has just purchased the stuff and viola money in the pocket. Just an extension of the smoking tourist who gets busted for littering by the ever eagled eyed BIBs and 2000 bht gone from the tourist who is unaware of what is going on.

Buy off the street at your peril....mostly junk and rubbish.

Whatever chance you may have stick to the pharmacy.

I think you may have missed the point of my above post.

[harleyclarkey]

As you walk down Sukhumvit there are so many pavement vendors selling viagra etc. All it needs is a cop to watch and radio his partner which guy has just purchased the stuff and viola money in the pocket. Just an extension of the smoking tourist who gets busted for littering by the ever eagled eyed BIBs and 2000 bht gone from the tourist who is unaware of what is going on.

Buy off the street at your peril....mostly junk and rubbish.

Whatever chance you may have stick to the pharmacy.

I think you may have missed the point of my above post.

No.....I got your point.

My reply was pointing out the dangers referred to in part of your reply to me.

I agree fully that the thugs in brown are only sharp eyed for the unfortunate tourist who comes up in their radar.

[virtualtraveller]

I think you've all missed the point here...

It was just business as usual for the police who were probably having a 'slow income' week.

Good way to scare away tourists though, keep up the good work men in grey.

Reminds me of getting a fine in Patong for riding a bike without a helmet (my passenger was wearing it), they were catching everyone as they turned onto beach road, it was only 200 baht and they could have set up a desk right there to write out the receipts and collect the money but they impounded our bikes and made the lot of us walk 5 blocks to police station and pay it, funnily they didn't stop bikes in which the passenger wasn't wearing a helmet. Keystone Cops!

[LivinLOS]

It is not up to the pharmacy to know if the person has a legal right to have the substance. The person could even be buying it for a relative with permission that is waiting at home, at which point the purchase and transportation of the pills would be deemed 'ok' during a trial or police-check.

That's not true. Pharmacies in Thailand are not allowed to sell diazepam without a script in hand. Your libertarian ideals are not the law. But maybe they should be?

Pharmacies are allowed to sell Valium without requiring a prescription, the info in this thread says.

Pharmacies are not legally allowed to sell valium any more than the kid was allowed to have it..

Its one law for the Thai.. And another law for the farang.. Simple as that. The 'tolerate' the for profit law breaking of the Thai pharmacy yet punish the farang for the lessor crime.

[dananderson]

It is not up to the pharmacy to know if the person has a legal right to have the substance. The person could even be buying it for a relative with permission that is waiting at home, at which point the purchase and transportation of the pills would be deemed 'ok' during a trial or police-check.

That's not true. Pharmacies in Thailand are not allowed to sell diazepam without a script in hand. Your libertarian ideals are not the law. But maybe they should be?

Pharmacies are allowed to sell Valium without requiring a prescription, the info in this thread says.

Pharmacies are not legally allowed to sell valium any more than the kid was allowed to have it..

Its one law for the Thai.. And another law for the farang.. Simple as that. The 'tolerate' the for profit law breaking of the Thai pharmacy yet punish the farang for the lessor crime.

Having visited well over 30 thai pharmacies all over LOS with my own script(bottle from home)I always opted to pay a small dr-fee. Many were located in the pharmacy. Happy 2 make a copy of the script and they never left my room. Thailand law is confusing and police are lowly paid. P4P is technically illegal. On the flip side an elderly thai was in tears attempting to enter Lax when customs seized her plastic script bag and hauled her off 2 some back room. I'm sure she found the USA a bit contradictory. The above thread is far from the facts as pharmacys that dispense these meds violate thai-law and typically charge more 2 novice tourists.

[geriatrickid]

I would like to know the state of the adolescent. Is he in the juvenile offenders center or has he been incarcerated with the adults? Has the NZ consul visited him? This person did not engage in a violent crime and in the absence of anyone saying otherwise, for all we know he's a good kid. His mother must be frantic.

[moetownblues]

Is he from New Zealand or Australia? These are two different countries. Any we all know the laws regarding drugs in Thailand so I hope he enjoys the BKK Hilton for the next few years. In Australia possession without a script carries a prison sentence also. I have locked up a few of these druggies myself.

Edited January 19, 2010 by moetownblues

[alfbondi]

I personally know of about five aussies that come regularly to phuket to buy steroids from pharmacies never a problem.Just to many double standards by the police in thailand that what it comes down to.