Red Shirts Plan To Paralyse Bangkok, Topple Thai Government

[Just1Voice]

For starters, after the coupe, the coupe leaders removed any and all judges who did not agree with them, and appointed those who did, thereby tipping the balance of any form of "justice" in their favor, and guaranteeing the outcome of cases they deemed important.

when cases of corruption and vote buying were brought against PPP, and later TRT, the same charges were brought against the Democrats. Howerver, the courts threw out any and all charges against the Democrats, saying they had "no factual basis", while actively pursuing those against the TRT and PPP, making their decisions in near record time, with those decisions effectively disbanding the TRT and then the PPP, while not one single case against the Dems was ever heard.

It has been nearly a year and a half since PAD occupied Government House, and then the airport, but not one single PAD leader has been brought to trial. The "excuse" is that the authorities are "still gathering evidence.", which is nothing more than a stall tactic. I am not a supporter of Thaksin, by any stretch of the imagination, but neither am I a supporter of military coups that appoint their own judges in order to guarantee what they want to happen, with any real justice or democracy no where to be found.

Ok, I have a problem with the comment about "The Abhist government is legit and decent". First, it's not "legit". They were NOT elected by the people of Thailand in an election, and assumed power after PAD and their buddies in the military succeeded to removing the LEGITITIMATELY elected governments by any and every means possible.

I am just curious since you seem to know so much. You say the military removed the previous government "by any and every means possible." OK, specifically, what were the "any and every means possible"?

[thaihome]

....It has been nearly a year and a half since PAD occupied Government House, and then the airport, but not one single PAD leader has been brought to trial. The "excuse" is that the authorities are "still gathering evidence.", which is nothing more than a stall tactic. I am not a supporter of Thaksin, by any stretch of the imagination, but neither am I a supporter of military coups that appoint their own judges in order to guarantee what they want to happen, with any real justice or democracy no where to be found.

It actually took some 3 years for the recent verdict on Thaksin's assets to be decided, so you are not being exactly true to say the PAD cases are being unusually delayed.

TH

[rixalex]

It has been nearly a year and a half since PAD occupied Government House, and then the airport, but not one single PAD leader has been brought to trial. The "excuse" is that the authorities are "still gathering evidence.", which is nothing more than a stall tactic.

One and a half years is nothing. Most cases go on for ever and a day. Nothing new and certainly not unique to the PAD business.

Thaksin has cases against stretching back to when he came to power. Most of them will probably never come before a judge. As you say, it's blatant stalling.

There should be a limit on stalling, and once you go beyond it they save all the time, trouble and money of a court case and just declare you guilty. Bet that would speed things along!

[TAWP]

For starters, after the coupe, the coupe leaders removed any and all judges who did not agree with them, and appointed those who did

No, they didn't. But I am sure that is what the brainwashing schools teach you...

[rogerdee123]

>>> Video of one red shirt attacking a civilian (pink shirt wearing) with a bullhorn.

... that wasn't a red shirt .... that was a "third party" with the bullhorn ...

[andyww]

How to paralyze such a large city? By Stopping food and water getting in?

everything over 150 000 is critical mass. Easy to paralyze the city.

in case of one million, hmm concentrated in key areas, is the end for Bangkok.

I personally expect not more than 30 000 but amongst them lots of undercover violence which are not red at all, but yellow. If the government fails to indict the yellow leaders within days the city will be doomed.

If it is going to be the yellows dressed in red that will be doing all the violence, then I would expect to see the red 'security guards' dealing with these reds dressed as yellows. That's the only way to show that they are not actually reds.

I am waiting for a news reporter to say he has found reds pretending to be yellows dressed in red...

[rogerdee123]

>>>> I am waiting for a news reporter to say he has found reds pretending to be yellows dressed in red...

How about reds pretending to be yellows pretending to be "third parties"

[yoshiwara]

For starters, after the coupe, the coupe leaders removed any and all judges who did not agree with them, and appointed those who did, thereby tipping the balance of any form of "justice" in their favor, and guaranteeing the outcome of cases they deemed important.

when cases of corruption and vote buying were brought against PPP, and later TRT, the same charges were brought against the Democrats. Howerver, the courts threw out any and all charges against the Democrats, saying they had "no factual basis", while actively pursuing those against the TRT and PPP, making their decisions in near record time, with those decisions effectively disbanding the TRT and then the PPP, while not one single case against the Dems was ever heard.

It has been nearly a year and a half since PAD occupied Government House, and then the airport, but not one single PAD leader has been brought to trial. The "excuse" is that the authorities are "still gathering evidence.", which is nothing more than a stall tactic. I am not a supporter of Thaksin, by any stretch of the imagination, but neither am I a supporter of military coups that appoint their own judges in order to guarantee what they want to happen, with any real justice or democracy no where to be found.

It would appear that some forum Thaksin apologists have now adopted the strategy of denying they are in Thaksin's pocket. Probably because it is so embarrassing. I am sure that in their dreams they will find a judge sympathetic to Thaksin's money laundering activities.

[mca]

If we're going to be fair and balanced about the red shirts violence here's the Thai security forces showing their " crowd control " techniques.

[Cayenne]

Hmm, man Thaksin is really going all out for this...he's raised the pay rate from 500 baht to 2,000 baht per person now!

2,000 baht handouts

[Maestro]

Organizers hand out cash to red-shirt people

The Nation

Video

Look , what's going on in Nakhon Panom as local red shirts are preparing to leave for Bangkok to join the mass rallies on Sunday.

-- The Nation 2010-03-12

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[roamer]

Be careful out there!!!

http://blogs.aljazeera.net/asia/2010/03/12...y-smelly-weapon

"I write this sitting on the side of a highway about 60 kilometres out of the Thai capital, Bangkok, and all I can think about are faeces and fermented fish.

We're at a military checkpoint which has been set up to monitor the flow of protestors heading into the city for Sunday's mass anti-government demonstration.

The red shirted supporters of former Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra have been busy mixing up a disgusting and smelly concoction of faeces and fermented fish to throw at anyone who might get in their way.

Therefore I'm thinking of investing in a very thick, full length jacket for protection.

It's impossible to see a happy ending to this latest chapter in Thailand's political upheaval.

The Thaksin supporters say they will bring down the government by staging a mass protest in the capital Bangkok.

The government is clearly not about to throw in the towel and let that happen.

Both sides say they will not resort to violence, but unless one side gives up, it's difficult to see how some sort of confrontation can be avoided.

The red shirts surely cannot force parliament to be dissolved by simply occupying Royal Plaza in Bangkok, as they have done in the past.

I would imagine Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva would be quite happy if that was the extent of their protest action again.

Both sides talk about peace, but if the reds want change, they will have to use some sort of force.

If they try to occupy a government facility, the authorities will have to use force to remove them.

Even if they have to overcome the reds' smelly weapon."

[Insight]

Very interested to hear the red shirt explanation for that video clip!

[ballpoint]

Very interested to hear the red shirt explanation for that video clip!

Some will say it was rigged.

Some will say "but the yellows were paid too, and they terrorised the airport blah blah blah..."

Some will say "they're really yellows pretending to be reds"

Most will ignore it, just as they ignore every fact posted here, and then continue to post that the reds aren't paid.

[brahmburgers]

For westerners, this is nuts - blatantly paying people to attend a political rally.

For Thais, it appears to be not a big deal. Am I wrong?

Stepping over a Thai person's outstretched legs is very wrong, but paying people to attend a protest is a yawning 'mai pen rai.'

Message to Thais: Even without all the blustering selfishness of Thaksin, just this one fact alone - people being paid to march - will convince outside observers that it's, at best, an insipid protest movement.

Organizers hand out cash to red-shirt people

The Nation

Video

Look , what's going on in Nakhon Panom as local red shirts are preparing to leave for Bangkok to join the mass rallies on Sunday.

-- The Nation 2010-03-12

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[animatic]

Personally if some <deleted> threw a bag of shit mixed with rotten fish at me,

I WOULD consider that a violent act.

So where is this Non-violent protest they are talking about... ?

And since there are not likely to be too many red Katoeys,

how do they plan on 'harvesting their ammunition' to hit Kuhn Prem with???

Arisman is round the bend for sure.

Sorry, as much as it might be nice to empathise with many 'up country poor's

demands, for a better shake... Looking at them through this crew...

it's hard not to think these people are deluded.

Edited March 12, 2010 by animatic

[commons]

i've become increasingly irritated by self-claimed friends of "red shirts'" plight & cause for "democracy".

i've also become increasingly tired by a constant onslaught of _false_ accusations, an utterly ignorance of (even) recent historical facts, but mere "speaking my mind the way i feel inclined to".

so why not turn the "game around"? that's what i hear _this_ is all about, right?

so, dear "red shirts", tell me...

a) tell me, what is your policy strategies for thailand? no, i'm not speaking about the pr-blurb - tell me, who & what & when & how do you wanna achieve to transform thailand?

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let's look at personal:

b1) thaksin: i'm sorry, that's a grotesque joke, right?

b2) chalerm (& his sons): oh really?

b3) chavalit: for sure, another well-known innovator for civic society.

b4) jatuporn: out on bail (claiming "parliamentary immunity"); faked audio-tapes that intended to portray abhisit as administering violence during songkhran riots; leaked classified documents; have a look for yourself how often jatuporn complied to his duties as "elected representative of the people of thailand" and attended parliament.

b5) jakrapob: mad. somehow out of dostojewksi's "demons" and khmer rouge training camps. too much sophisticated education & theory for a thai boy.

b6) arisman: dj of turmoil. he liked the party at pattaya so much; he's on tape for inciting people to "burn down bkk".

b7) see daeng: an authentic self-deluded "soldier of fortune"; riding a white horse for liberation - well, and we know, "liberation" _only_ comes with tough guys applying tough and violent means, right? published a list with people "marked on their head".

b8) k-thong: aide to see daeng; puts a video on youtube to incite violent overthrow - and later claims, "no no no, i didn't do it" [a quite familiar pattern among the bright "red shirt" leaders]; another deeply frustrated thai _male_, lost in delusions of self-grandeur.

who else is there? no, i don't want to go into 2nd or even 3rd generation of "red shirt" leaders. i don't even want to discuss, dear "red shirts", you haven't even awakened to the discrepancies between "chiang mai rak thai 51" and isaan.

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right now, on this forum, i just would like to challenge supporters of current "red shirt" rally/uprising/farce -

c1) _whom_ do you propose as a pm for the people of thailand? just tell me.

c2) _who_ do you "believe" is better qualified than Abhisit-and-Korn to "manage" thailand, these days? tell me.

*

no, i'm not interested in any more ideological drivel. you wanna change thai society? i'm with you. tell me how (doctrine and strategy) and with whom (personal) - can you do that? these are your days to show it to whole world.

[animatic]

Commons, I expect they have a one word answer to all solutions.

Begins with T.

I for one would love to hear ANY coherent plans after:

Bringing the government down and Elections.

See the point of elections is to actually move the country forward,

and so far PTP has shown no one that can. They can not even be

coherent as an opposition party.

So getting to your question, but ignoring Thaksin:

Who, compared to Abhisit and Korn, does the Red side actual think will do a better job?

I for one can't think of much of anyone... it really comes across as a political wasteland.

This may really be the most important question of the year...

[RegularReader]

Personally if some <deleted> threw a bag of shit mixed with rotten fish at me,

I WOULD consider that a violent act.

So where is this Non-violent protest they are talking about... ?

And since there are not likely to be too many red Katoeys,

how do they plan on 'harvesting their ammunition' to hit Kuhn Prem with???

Arisman is round the bend for sure.

Sorry, as much as it might be nice to empathise with many 'up country poor's

demands, for a better shake... Looking at them through this crew...

it's hard not to think these people are deluded.

Animatic, after spending a week in close company with some red supporters, I don't think it's right to call these people "deluded".

Decieved by a despicable bunch of crooks is more like it.

I just hope those 100,000 people who Tulsie said were at Nakorn Sawan tonight eventually get real reforms and not more "trinkets" from the "Joker"

[jdinasia]

For starters, after the coupe, the coupe leaders removed any and all judges who did not agree with them, and appointed those who did

No, they didn't. But I am sure that is what the brainwashing schools teach you...

But it IS a brilliant way to start out a post! Get your first statement to be a total lie and then go on from there! But my sedan never was a leader

[philw]

If we're going to be fair and balanced about the red shirts violence here's the Thai security forces showing their " crowd control " techniques.

I just want to thank you for posting that, it is sobering, true and thought provoking..........

I think it should be realised that this "situation" is far more complex than most at Thai Visa recognise or want to admit.

Sooner or later some Government in Thailand will have to address the accumulated injustices or the place will fall apart.

PhilW

[jdinasia]

If we're going to be fair and balanced about the red shirts violence here's the Thai security forces showing their " crowd control " techniques.

I just want to thank you for posting that, it is sobering, true and thought provoking..........

I think it should be realised that this "situation" is far more complex than most at Thai Visa recognise or want to admit.

Sooner or later some Government in Thailand will have to address the accumulated injustices or the place will fall apart.

PhilW

And to be REALLY fair we should mention that Tak bai was in 2004 when Thaksin was the PM. right?

[ballpoint]

If we're going to be fair and balanced about the red shirts violence here's the Thai security forces showing their " crowd control " techniques.

I just want to thank you for posting that, it is sobering, true and thought provoking..........

I think it should be realised that this "situation" is far more complex than most at Thai Visa recognise or want to admit.

Sooner or later some Government in Thailand will have to address the accumulated injustices or the place will fall apart.

PhilW

And to be REALLY fair we should mention that Tak bai was in 2004 when Thaksin was the PM. right?

And another piece of red shirt propaganda is shot down in flames, and comes screaming to the ground in order to bite them on their rear ends.

[philw]

If we're going to be fair and balanced about the red shirts violence here's the Thai security forces showing their " crowd control " techniques.

I just want to thank you for posting that, it is sobering, true and thought provoking..........

I think it should be realised that this "situation" is far more complex than most at Thai Visa recognise or want to admit.

Sooner or later some Government in Thailand will have to address the accumulated injustices or the place will fall apart.

PhilW

And to be REALLY fair we should mention that Tak bai was in 2004 when Thaksin was the PM. right?

Correct.

Thaksin was PM in 2004................ Well spotted.

Go to the top of the class.

The point is the " accumulated injustices " and the excessive use of force.

My point has FA to do with reds, yellows, pinks or "betta splendens"......

philw

[ronz28]

For westerners, this is nuts - blatantly paying people to attend a political rally.

For Thais, it appears to be not a big deal. Am I wrong?

Stepping over a Thai person's outstretched legs is very wrong, but paying people to attend a protest is a yawning 'mai pen rai.'

Message to Thais: Even without all the blustering selfishness of Thaksin, just this one fact alone - people being paid to march - will convince outside observers that it's, at best, an insipid protest movement.

Organizers hand out cash to red-shirt people

The Nation

Video

Look , what's going on in Nakhon Panom as local red shirts are preparing to leave for Bangkok to join the mass rallies on Sunday.

-- The Nation 2010-03-12

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

Sounds like they are importing Laotians to protest in Bangkok otherwise the guy on the megaphone would be speaking Thai instead of Laotian unless that's what they speak in Naka Nowhere. I think the government ought to check Thai Id cards and speak Thai to everyone protesting and if they don't understandand have Thai ID cards then off to the monkeyhouse.

Edited March 12, 2010 by ronz28

[animatic]

Personally if some <deleted> threw a bag of shit mixed with rotten fish at me,

I WOULD consider that a violent act.

So where is this Non-violent protest they are talking about... ?

And since there are not likely to be too many red Katoeys,

how do they plan on 'harvesting their ammunition' to hit Kuhn Prem with???

Arisman is round the bend for sure.

Sorry, as much as it might be nice to empathize with many 'up country poors

demands, for a better shake... Looking at them through this crew...

it's hard not to think these people are deluded.

Animatic, after spending a week in close company with some red supporters, I don't think it's right to call these people "deluded".

Deceived by a despicable bunch of crooks is more like it.

I just hope those 100,000 people who Tulsie said were at Nakorn Sawan tonight eventually get real reforms and not more "trinkets" from the "Joker"

I wasn't speaking about the deceived rank and file supporters,

but Arisman and Jatuporn and some of the absurd statements made recently.

This phrase you must have missed.

Looking at them through this crew...

in other words

judging the red cause as a whole based on the pronouncement of Arisman;

as to the types of turds he wants to target at whom...

well delusional does NOT seem far fetched at all.

If they are following a guy talking like this... (form your own conclusion)

And the definition

delude –verb (used with object),-lud·ed, -lud·ing.

1. to mislead the mind or judgment of; deceive:

His conceit deluded him into believing he was important.

2.

Obsolete. to mock or frustrate the hopes or aims of.

3.

Obsolete. to elude; evade.

Random House, Inc. 2010

or

1 To deceive the mind or judgment of:

fraudulent ads that delude consumers into sending in money.

As you can see this definition fits perfectly.

Even if I DID use it with different target.

A mind or minds deceived into a way of thinking.

[IvanDobsky]

For westerners, this is nuts - blatantly paying people to attend a political rally.

For Thais, it appears to be not a big deal. Am I wrong?

Stepping over a Thai person's outstretched legs is very wrong, but paying people to attend a protest is a yawning 'mai pen rai.'

Message to Thais: Even without all the blustering selfishness of Thaksin, just this one fact alone - people being paid to march - will convince outside observers that it's, at best, an insipid protest movement.

Organizers hand out cash to red-shirt people

The Nation

Video

Look , what's going on in Nakhon Panom as local red shirts are preparing to leave for Bangkok to join the mass rallies on Sunday.

-- The Nation 2010-03-12

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

Sounds like they are importing Laotians to protest in Bangkok otherwise the guy on the megaphone would be speaking Thai instead of Laotian unless that's what they speak in Naka Nowhere. I think the government ought to check Thai Id cards and speak Thai to everyone and if they don't understandand have Thai ID cards then off to the monkeyhouse.

Off to the monkey house? There's about 95% of ThaiVisa going with them!

if you can understand at least some central-Thai language and if you've ever been outside Bangkok, you'll notice that not many places speak like what they do in Bangkok where they am speaking proper.

oo! oo! where's that banana??

[mazeltov]

It actually took some 3 years for the recent verdict on Thaksin's assets to be decided, so you are not being exactly true to say the PAD cases are being unusually delayed.

TH

how long it took that "our man at the airport" during the yellow show became the FM of the Abhisit cabinet?

[kurtgruen]

It actually took some 3 years for the recent verdict on Thaksin's assets to be decided, so you are not being exactly true to say the PAD cases are being unusually delayed.

TH

how long it took that "our man at the airport" during the yellow show became the FM of the Abhisit cabinet?

At least the PAD leadership was out there, along with their followers. Not like Toxin, the coward, paying people and sitting back in a safe place, to see what will happen.The PAD was instrumental in bringing down the TRT/PPP Thaksin puppet government, which eventually resulted with Thaksin being brought to justice. What's wrong with making one of it's spokespersons foreign ministers. He has the qualifications for the job.

Why should the PAD do all the dirty work, without any reward? Everybody else is lining their pockets and getting patronage appointments.

Partially, because of the PAD, we now have a functioning government, that gets quite a bit of stuff done. Look at the roads, for example. Under Thaksins rule, there were all kind of road projects that never finished. (Contractors lining their pockets, kickbacks, sub standard road construction). In the past year, I have seen an enormoud amount of road construction completed, both in the North and around Bangkok. That's only one example, of things working.

So what's gonna' happen, if these jokers manage to overthrow the government? It will throw Thailand into total chaos.

Good thing is, that this present government and the military will never let that happen.

[commons]

It actually took some 3 years for the recent verdict on Thaksin's assets to be decided, so you are not being exactly true to say the PAD cases are being unusually delayed.

TH

how long it took that "our man at the airport" during the yellow show became the FM of the Abhisit cabinet?

mazeltov,

i asked you and others self-proclaimed "voices for the red shirts" some questions.

can you _PLEASE_ stop trolling?

answer my questions:

what are the visions of the red shirts?

what's the strategies to accomplish it?

who's the personal to lead it?