commons Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Again, Thaksin has proved to the world he is a habitual liar, and a convicted criminal on the run. I place zero faith with habitual liars and criminals. You may place your faith in liars and criminals if you wish. He can Tweet all he wants and as you stated...beware of the propaganda in the air." yep, i got that message you don't like Thaksin. but think about it, why he should suddenly deny that he is in Cambodia, when it was his plan and intention just because the FM brought us the news that he his in Cambodia? and that cunning Thaksin then leave Cambodia immediately just for the lulz to prove the FM wrong? what an evil plan. :faceplam: bad boi Thaksin don't act that way how The Nation or the government propaganda had predicted it. all his fault, can't trust that guy, right. you may rethink how you have been fooled. i don't place my faith with with liars, i don't believe every trash, specially not when there is reasonable doubt. mazeltov, i've asked you a question on several threads & i'm still waiting for a coherent answer: * * * mazeltov, i asked you and others self-proclaimed "voices for the red shirts" some questions. answer my questions: what are the visions of the red shirts? what's the strategies to accomplish it? who's the personal to lead it? * * * Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazeltov Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Again, Thaksin has proved to the world he is a habitual liar, and a convicted criminal on the run. I place zero faith with habitual liars and criminals. You may place your faith in liars and criminals if you wish. He can Tweet all he wants and as you stated...beware of the propaganda in the air." yep, i got that message you don't like Thaksin. but think about it, why he should suddenly deny that he is in Cambodia, when it was his plan and intention just because the FM brought us the news that he his in Cambodia? and that cunning Thaksin then leave Cambodia immediately just for the lulz to prove the FM wrong? what an evil plan. :faceplam: bad boi Thaksin don't act that way how The Nation or the government propaganda had predicted it. all his fault, can't trust that guy, right. you may rethink how you have been fooled. i don't place my faith with with liars, i don't believe every trash, specially not when there is reasonable doubt. mazeltov, i've asked you a question on several threads & i'm still waiting for a coherent answer: * * * mazeltov, i asked you and others self-proclaimed "voices for the red shirts" some questions. answer my questions: what are the visions of the red shirts? what's the strategies to accomplish it? who's the personal to lead it? * * * ohh, boi. if i am not falling for the propaganda of this government or into an imbecile hate rhetoric towards the red shirt doesn't mean that i am the red shirt spokesman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sunderland Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Doubtful that Thaksin would be in Germany meeting his daughters when he has other things to look after than family reunions. At least one would hope that a leader would at least make some effort to be ready to lead his troops, even if from the safety of a neighbouring country. Even if he were, neither he nor Cambodia have anything to gain by announcing that he has arrived there. Based on his past form there doesn't seem much substance to believe in the rumour that he is now in Sra Kaew under the protection of rogue members of the police force/army and coming to lead his people. It would certainly be a major surprise if he were to show up in Bangkok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 ohh, boi.if i am not falling for the propaganda of this government or into an imbecile hate rhetoric towards the red shirt doesn't mean that i am the red shirt spokesman. Guess that means you can't answer some objective questions. I'm not siding with anyone, but I'd also like to know: what are the visions of the red shirts? what's the strategies to accomplish it? who's the person to lead it? Over to you, Mazeltov.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
commons Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 ohh, boi.if i am not falling for the propaganda of this government or into an imbecile hate rhetoric towards the red shirt doesn't mean that i am the red shirt spokesman. Guess that means you can't answer some objective questions. I'm not siding with anyone, but I'd also like to know: what are the visions of the red shirts? what's the strategies to accomplish it? who's the person to lead it? Over to you, Mazeltov.... q.e.d. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazeltov Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 ohh, boi.if i am not falling for the propaganda of this government or into an imbecile hate rhetoric towards the red shirt doesn't mean that i am the red shirt spokesman. Guess that means you can't answer some objective questions. I'm not siding with anyone, but I'd also like to know: what are the visions of the red shirts? what's the strategies to accomplish it? who's the person to lead it? Over to you, Mazeltov.... oohh, boi2 as i said hence i am not the red shirt spokesman, why should i answer the question here and now? this thread here is about the 'news' from the FM that Thasksin is in Cambodia and that he got expelled form the UAE. i don't believe that. or is it a must to believe that to be a good citizen and don't get attacked as a troll by whoever comes along here (. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bubba Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 ohh, boi.if i am not falling for the propaganda of this government or into an imbecile hate rhetoric towards the red shirt doesn't mean that i am the red shirt spokesman. Guess that means you can't answer some objective questions. I'm not siding with anyone, but I'd also like to know: what are the visions of the red shirts? what's the strategies to accomplish it? who's the person to lead it? Over to you, Mazeltov.... oohh, boi2 as i said hence i am not the red shirt spokesman, why should i answer the question here and now? this thread here is about the 'news' from the FM that Thasksin is in Cambodia and that he got expelled form the UAE. i don't believe that. or is it a must to believe that to be a good citizen and don't get attacked as a troll by whoever comes along here . Nobody implied you were a "red shirt spokesman", but you are clearly a strong supporter of UDD. But you don't know why. But then, I suppose most of us didn't really expect anything remotely coherent from you. Thanks for your answer. Case closed.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
way2muchcoffee Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 (edited) ohh, boi.if i am not falling for the propaganda of this government or into an imbecile hate rhetoric towards the red shirt doesn't mean that i am the red shirt spokesman. Guess that means you can't answer some objective questions. I'm not siding with anyone, but I'd also like to know: what are the visions of the red shirts? what's the strategies to accomplish it? who's the person to lead it? Over to you, Mazeltov.... oohh, boi2 as i said hence i am not the red shirt spokesman, why should i answer the question here and now? But that is exactly the problem. Nobody, and I mean not one single red shirt supporter, leader, spokesperson, or other redshirt affiliated individual has ever bothered to address any of these questions. It is for this reason that many people can't accept their claims to be a democracy movement. Edited March 13, 2010 by way2muchcoffee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazeltov Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 ohh, boi.if i am not falling for the propaganda of this government or into an imbecile hate rhetoric towards the red shirt doesn't mean that i am the red shirt spokesman. Guess that means you can't answer some objective questions. I'm not siding with anyone, but I'd also like to know: what are the visions of the red shirts? what's the strategies to accomplish it? who's the person to lead it? Over to you, Mazeltov.... oohh, boi2 as i said hence i am not the red shirt spokesman, why should i answer the question here and now? this thread here is about the 'news' from the FM that Thasksin is in Cambodia and that he got expelled form the UAE. i don't believe that. or is it a must to believe that to be a good citizen and don't get attacked as a troll by whoever comes along here (and is prolly a troll himself). Nobody implied you were a "red shirt spokesman", but you are clearly a strong supporter of UDD. But you don't know why. But then, I suppose most of us didn't really expect anything remotely coherent from you. Thanks for your answer. Case closed.... :facedesk: you are obviously not interested in what i have said so far in this thread and just here for bickering. that is to boring for me, sugar. YOU WIN. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DickFarang Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 ohh, boi.if i am not falling for the propaganda of this government or into an imbecile hate rhetoric towards the red shirt doesn't mean that i am the red shirt spokesman. Guess that means you can't answer some objective questions. I'm not siding with anyone, but I'd also like to know: what are the visions of the red shirts? what's the strategies to accomplish it? who's the person to lead it? Over to you, Mazeltov.... You could also ask the question what the visions and the strategies of the current government are. From what I see and hear it has all to do with the pursuit of a person they call a fugitive, convicted criminal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 :D OK guys, enough. Stop the flaming and the troll accusations. And while you are at it, please stay on topic. Which is the report that Thaksin is in Cambodia. If you seriously think someone is trolling then 1) don't feed them by replying 2) use the report function to report it If you're calling someone a troll because you dislike their opinions...ignore what they say or respond to it in a civil manner, as you prefer, but aboslutely no flaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maestro Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Thaksin insists he's in Europe, not Cambodia Thaksin Shinawatra last night told his red-shirt followers that he was currently in Europe, not Cambodia as speculated earlier. During a phone-in to his supporters' People TV station, the fugitive former prime minister also dismissed a government report that the United Arab Emirates had expelled him. Dubai, one of the seven emirates, has been Thaksin's residence over the past year. Thaksin said he would phone in again today. Meanwhile, the court yesterday approved an arrest warrant for Arisman Pongruangrong, a key red-shirt figure, for instigating riots. Arisman last night joined the anti-government rally's main stage on Rajdamnoen Avenue along with other red-shirt leaders, who said he would surrender to the police on April 1. -- The Nation 2010-03-14 [newsfooter][/newsfooter] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazeltov Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Thaksin insists he's in Europe, not Cambodia... -- The Nation 2010-03-14 [newsfooter][/newsfooter] now the story from the other side in the same newspaper. why it doesn't make ding/dong in the editorial team, some journalist wakes up and says. "Wow, now that could be a story. Try to find that out and let our readers know who tells the truth here and who was talking BS." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdnvic Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 I deleted seven posts that ignored Sheryl's warning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mazeltov Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 I deleted seven posts that ignored Sheryl's warning. could you delete the few previous bickering entries too, later everybody was trying to make some sense, was more calm and produced some content and thoughts to read like from waytoomuchcoffee and publicus, albeit of topic maybe if you wanna keep 'thaksin in cambodia' 100% strict. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesthailand Posted March 13, 2010 Share Posted March 13, 2010 Thai News Agency now reports that Vice Minister for Foreign Affairs says that Thaksin did not go to Cambodia, but has left Dubai and is expected to join his daughters in Switzerland. The Vice Minister further said that the "UAE had acknowledged Thailand's request to ban Mr Thaksin" [ie Dubai has not yet expelled Thaksin]. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beardog Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Of circumstance... And lyrics are -still- accurate ! Good tune got it on my Ipod along with to drunk to fck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 This government is pathetic. Either they are completely inept or they are deliberately misleading the public. If they are going to focus on Thaksin, then at least they should keep their eye on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
savepak Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 (edited) According to his Twitter page, he's gone to Germany to be with his daughters, which is interesting because I thought he was barred from there. Edited March 14, 2010 by savepak Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Credo Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 I think the point is that the government is completely unable to keep up with the guy. They are 'supposedly' in contact with the Dubai authorities, who would be able to inform them of where his plane is going. Is this how Thai government intelligence works? They might be better off not to be reporting on him or his whereabouts until it is confirmed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTumTiger Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 The I think the point is that the government is completely unable to keep up with the guy. They are 'supposedly' in contact with the Dubai authorities, who would be able to inform them of where his plane is going. Is this how Thai government intelligence works? They might be better off not to be reporting on him or his whereabouts until it is confirmed. I suppose you'd rather have PM Chalerm, Dept PM Jatuporn, and Minister of Public Health Mr. Happy Toilet. And lets bring back some old favorites - Minister of Defense "The Refridgerator" Yongyuth, Minister of Foreign Affairs "Constitution? What Constitution?" Noppadon, and Press Secretary "What you talkin about Lese Majeste?" Jakrapob. And making a surprise guest appearance - Minister of Justice "I'm not guilty, im just misunderstood" Thaksin. Minister of Finance "Give it to the maid" Khunying Pojamon, and as "The Janitor", former PM Somchai. Certainly an improvement... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Speaking as a poster, not a Mod... The current Foreign Ministry is IMO beyond inept in its dealings with Cambodia. The reckless claim that Taksin was here when he was not, and despite official Cambodian government statement, is one more in a series of unfailing missteps in its relationship with its neighbor. The inability of either the government or the Thai media to get accurate information regarding Cambodia -- even on matters that any man in the street could set you straight on in 2 minutes flat -- is also long standing. For the government, it is perhaps understandable in that as far as I can tell they are not on speaking terms with anyone in the country....and also seem not to consider it worthwhile to bother trying to be. The media's ineptness is less understandable. Thai press coverage during the time that Thaksin was in fact in Cambodia was remarkable for (1) knowing less than, again, the average man in the street or what any visitor could learn from same on simple inquiry and 2) misspelling virtually every Cambodian place and person name. Not talking about remote places, either; I mean provincial capital towns, and towns immediately bordering Thailand...places listed in Wikepedia. Oddly, the Cambodian press has no problem getting the names of people and places in Thailand right. There are tremendous misperceptions and inaccurate stereotypes regarding Cambodia and Cambodians among the Thai population, some of which I see echoed by farang TV members. But one would hope for more from the media and the Foreign Ministry, whose jobs it presumably is to know something about foreign places. Knowing where in the world Thaksin was/is, not easy. Knowing that he was not in Cambodia -- couldn't have been easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTumTiger Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Of course he is in Cambodia. He is not allowed in Germany. He is a liar. Whatever he says, think the opposite, and you arrive at the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SomTumTiger Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Funny how many "Pro Cambodia" posters there are. You would think Cambodia was this great bastian of wealth and prosperity, in relation to all its neighbors. Oh wait, no, thats Thailand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wharfdaddy Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Let's see a show of hands..How many of you want to see a Thailand with one man one vote? Are you here in Thailand because of the cheap labor and good living? Is that why you want the status quo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidHouston Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Sheryl, We very much appreciate your survey of the Thai media and it success or failure in the accuracy of its reporting. I would like to ask whether you performed this survey yourself, or, if not, what is the source for these ratings. Do your comments apply equally to the Thai language press as well as the English language press? If there are any sources which are more accurate than others, we would appreciate knowing which are to be relied on and which are to be avoided. Thanks for your assistance. Speaking as a poster, not a Mod...The current Foreign Ministry is IMO beyond inept in its dealings with Cambodia. The reckless claim that Taksin was here when he was not, and despite official Cambodian government statement, is one more in a series of unfailing missteps in its relationship with its neighbor. The inability of either the government or the Thai media to get accurate information regarding Cambodia -- even on matters that any man in the street could set you straight on in 2 minutes flat -- is also long standing. For the government, it is perhaps understandable in that as far as I can tell they are not on speaking terms with anyone in the country....and also seem not to consider it worthwhile to bother trying to be. The media's ineptness is less understandable. Thai press coverage during the time that Thaksin was in fact in Cambodia was remarkable for (1) knowing less than, again, the average man in the street or what any visitor could learn from same on simple inquiry and 2) misspelling virtually every Cambodian place and person name. Not talking about remote places, either; I mean provincial capital towns, and towns immediately bordering Thailand...places listed in Wikepedia. Oddly, the Cambodian press has no problem getting the names of people and places in Thailand right. There are tremendous misperceptions and inaccurate stereotypes regarding Cambodia and Cambodians among the Thai population, some of which I see echoed by farang TV members. But one would hope for more from the media and the Foreign Ministry, whose jobs it presumably is to know something about foreign places. Knowing where in the world Thaksin was/is, not easy. Knowing that he was not in Cambodia -- couldn't have been easier. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basjke Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Of course he is in Cambodia. He is not allowed in Germany. He is a liar. Whatever he says, think the opposite, and you arrive at the truth. For your information,switzerland is no part of germany. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
basjke Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Speaking as a poster, not a Mod...The current Foreign Ministry is IMO beyond inept in its dealings with Cambodia. The reckless claim that Taksin was here when he was not, and despite official Cambodian government statement, is one more in a series of unfailing missteps in its relationship with its neighbor. The inability of either the government or the Thai media to get accurate information regarding Cambodia -- even on matters that any man in the street could set you straight on in 2 minutes flat -- is also long standing. For the government, it is perhaps understandable in that as far as I can tell they are not on speaking terms with anyone in the country....and also seem not to consider it worthwhile to bother trying to be. The media's ineptness is less understandable. Thai press coverage during the time that Thaksin was in fact in Cambodia was remarkable for (1) knowing less than, again, the average man in the street or what any visitor could learn from same on simple inquiry and 2) misspelling virtually every Cambodian place and person name. Not talking about remote places, either; I mean provincial capital towns, and towns immediately bordering Thailand...places listed in Wikepedia. Oddly, the Cambodian press has no problem getting the names of people and places in Thailand right. There are tremendous misperceptions and inaccurate stereotypes regarding Cambodia and Cambodians among the Thai population, some of which I see echoed by farang TV members. But one would hope for more from the media and the Foreign Ministry, whose jobs it presumably is to know something about foreign places. Knowing where in the world Thaksin was/is, not easy. Knowing that he was not in Cambodia -- couldn't have been easier. So all compacted into 2 lines. -The government is a bunch of liars -The Thai press is not worth to be called PRESS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mca Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 Funny how many "Pro Cambodia" posters there are. You would think Cambodia was this great bastian of wealth and prosperity, in relation to all its neighbors. Oh wait, no, thats Thailand... Is there a problem with being Pro-Cambodian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted March 14, 2010 Share Posted March 14, 2010 So all compacted into 2 lines.-The government is a bunch of liars -The Thai press is not worth to be called PRESS. Actually no, that is not what I said. I said the government is inept in its dealings with Cambodia and as a result is remarkably ill-informed (and in this case, misinformed) about events there. That is not the same as lying. I don't see any reason to think that the claim Thaksin was in Cambodia was an intentional lie, and getting that factually wrong would be in keeping with the general level of (mis) understanding on the part of the present Foreign Ministry with respect to its neighbor. Weaknesses described n the Press were specific to its covering of matters related to Cambodia which I see as a particular blind spot. It would be less remarkable if this was true of all press coverage but on the contrary, coverage relating to Cambodia is sloppier/more full of easily avoided inaccuracies than is coverage of other international matters. So not a sweeping denouncement of the press here, just trying to point out that there is a real blind spot in regard to Cambodia. DavidHouston, I was referring to the English language press in both countries. I do not read Thai well enough to be able to comment on Thai language media. Doesn't take much a "survey" to cover all that is written in the English language press here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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