What Do You Want Pm Abhisit To Do Now?

[LevelHead]

Attacking Thaicom is an act they won't allow,

reading the latest announcements,

this seems to be the long expected line in the sand.

Attempting to prevent bloodshed by a national leader is highly laudable.

But with this group clearly determined to make a big mess and bring down the government,

the line MUST ve drawn and law and order imposed at some point,

no matter WHAT wishes for peacefulness exist.

Geriatrickid has accused "many anti-Red" of being for a war in the streets,

maybe that suits his philosophical agenda, but hardly reflects the preponderance

of those seeking law and order, vs ongoing public chaos true feelings.

No one wants a war in the streets, except those visibly and actively trying to START ONE

because they can't bring down the government any other possible way.

Noting still the

2 to 1 ratio + or - of 'forced dissolution' vs 'Law and Order supporting action'

Seems a good number here see this as opening an endless cycle of actions, if it isn't stopped.

And the wait and see group is dwindling a bit... Not that wait and see is not aggress

or passive aggressive depending on where in that spectrum you sit..

You really do know very little about Thailand do you.

Give up, you are making yourself look rather stupid in my opinion

[rixalex]

issues far broader than Thaksin - don't fool yourself

Yes there are but you are the one fooling yourself by believing that a success by the reds would address any of them. It wouldn't. The only issue the reds are sincerely interested in addressing is getting Thaksin and his cronies back in control.

[AlongtheChaoPraya]

You really do know very little about Thailand do you.

Give up, you are making yourself look rather stupid in my opinion

Hey, UnLevelHead, totally inappropriate remarks for this forum - whatever your 'opinion' is...

[johninbkk]

...wait until the protesters get violent and start vandalizing, then he will have a premise for action.

here here

[jesse89]

Abhisit's reign has been tarnished by his coming to power without election, and has been defined by political tension, few political achievements and a sluggish economy. Dissolving the parliament as soon as it is feasible and letting the people vote is the way forward for the Thai nation.

[4223rhodes]

Abhisit's reign has been tarnished by his coming to power without election, and has been defined by political tension, few political achievements and a sluggish economy. Dissolving the parliament as soon as it is feasible and letting the people vote is the way forward for the Thai nation.

Thanks for a bit of sanity! How did you end up on TV posting?

[Jingthing]

Abhisit's reign has been tarnished by his coming to power without election, and has been defined by political tension, few political achievements and a sluggish economy. Dissolving the parliament as soon as it is feasible and letting the people vote is the way forward for the Thai nation.

Don't you get news there in Ubon? There was an election, dear. Your post thus has no credibility. Sure, let your red mob force something the majority of Thais oppose, that will ease the political tension and division in Thailand, sure thing.

Edited April 9, 2010 by Jingthing

[4223rhodes]

Abhisit's reign has been tarnished by his coming to power without election, and has been defined by political tension, few political achievements and a sluggish economy. Dissolving the parliament as soon as it is feasible and letting the people vote is the way forward for the Thai nation.

Don't you get news there in Ubon? There was an election, dear. Your post thus has no credibility. Sure, let your red mob force something the majority of Thais oppose, that will ease the political tension and division in Thailand, sure thing.

Don't worry, with over 16,000 posts J's not exactly listening to the news himself. Well, if you consider ASTV news, maybe.

[ChiangMaiFun]

Bring out the tanks !

Once tanks start rolling into the crowds of red shirts they will soon disperse !

Then get the water cannons out and give them an early Songkran !

Have the tanks fire a few over head warning shots !! that'll surely work !

And of coarse , find the leaders and put em' in jail.

I'm sure you're a great asset to the government

[anotherpeter]

Abhisit's reign has been tarnished by his coming to power without election, and has been defined by political tension, few political achievements and a sluggish economy. Dissolving the parliament as soon as it is feasible and letting the people vote is the way forward for the Thai nation.

Abhisit actually came to power with an election of MPs. The same way that Samak and Somchai came to power.

The last 5 years has been defined by political tension. There have been few political acheivements in the last 5 years either.

Dissolving parliament will not move the Thai nation forward. It will keep it exactly where it is. Political tension and few political acheivements.

The way forward is for a new constitution written for ALL Thais (not just to get Thaksin off) and voted for and accepted by all Thais.

Then have elections without corruption. The reds seem to want to take those clauses out of the constitution.

[hammered]

Out in Chonburi you wouldnt know anything was happening. Life as per normal. Countdown to Songkran revelry. Even last year the little incident didnt affect much except a few less Bangkokians for one day.

Wonder if Abhisit will make it to Songkhran. Surely even his own supporters have given up on him now, and he is no doubt an object of ridicule to his oppoenents. His speeches are about as surreal as Thaksins. Wonder if anyone could write a book on this. Time for the adults to sort a mutually agreeable solution out.

[LevelHead]

Abhisit's reign has been tarnished by his coming to power without election, and has been defined by political tension, few political achievements and a sluggish economy. Dissolving the parliament as soon as it is feasible and letting the people vote is the way forward for the Thai nation.

Abhisit actually came to power with an election of MPs. The same way that Samak and Somchai came to power.

The last 5 years has been defined by political tension. There have been few political acheivements in the last 5 years either.

Dissolving parliament will not move the Thai nation forward. It will keep it exactly where it is. Political tension and few political acheivements.

The way forward is for a new constitution written for ALL Thais (not just to get Thaksin off) and voted for and accepted by all Thais.

Then have elections without corruption. The reds seem to want to take those clauses out of the constitution.

There was a dirty election which was biased against the PPP, but they still won.

Failing to win the dirty way the Elite then convicted the PPP and found the Democrats not guilty of the same things is is said.

They then manipulated the present coalition into power it is alleged through bribes of money and powerful positions in government where these people could make money for them and their friends through influence of government contracts.

The people got trampled all over and so did Democracy.

Dissolve the House. Have new elections.

Keep the rabid Yellow dogs in their kennels and accept the votes of the people under free and fair elections, not dirty one sided "out to get the PPP" ones.

Abhisit and Suthep are no longer in control, dissolve the House.

If you want to see how corrupt the legal system is just look at the coup, its a treason offense and yet they gave themselves "immunity" from committing those crimes and the same people who gave themselves immunity then accuse Thaksin of wanting immunity.

LOL

[jesse89]

Abhisit's reign has been tarnished by his coming to power without election, and has been defined by political tension, few political achievements and a sluggish economy. Dissolving the parliament as soon as it is feasible and letting the people vote is the way forward for the Thai nation.

Abhisit actually came to power with an election of MPs. The same way that Samak and Somchai came to power.

The last 5 years has been defined by political tension. There have been few political acheivements in the last 5 years either.

Dissolving parliament will not move the Thai nation forward. It will keep it exactly where it is. Political tension and few political acheivements.

The way forward is for a new constitution written for ALL Thais (not just to get Thaksin off) and voted for and accepted by all Thais.

Then have elections without corruption. The reds seem to want to take those clauses out of the constitution.

Agreed, however this will not happen while the Abhisit government clings to its shaky mandate, and the forces that supported Abhisit's rise to power do their upmost to not allow a demotcratically elected government which may or may not be sympathetic to Thaksin to come to power.

[ChiangMaiFun]

Abhisit's reign has been tarnished by his coming to power without election, and has been defined by political tension, few political achievements and a sluggish economy. Dissolving the parliament as soon as it is feasible and letting the people vote is the way forward for the Thai nation.

Abhisit actually came to power with an election of MPs. The same way that Samak and Somchai came to power.

The last 5 years has been defined by political tension. There have been few political acheivements in the last 5 years either.

Dissolving parliament will not move the Thai nation forward. It will keep it exactly where it is. Political tension and few political acheivements.

The way forward is for a new constitution written for ALL Thais (not just to get Thaksin off) and voted for and accepted by all Thais.

Then have elections without corruption. The reds seem to want to take those clauses out of the constitution.

Agreed, however this will not happen while the Abhisit government clings to its shaky mandate, and the forces that supported Abhisit's rise to power do their upmost to not allow a demotcratically elected government which may or may not be sympathetic to Thaksin to come to power.

it will fall - don't know when but I'm sure it will fall some sunny day... bring election within 3/6 months - only answer

[LevelHead]

Abhisit's reign has been tarnished by his coming to power without election, and has been defined by political tension, few political achievements and a sluggish economy. Dissolving the parliament as soon as it is feasible and letting the people vote is the way forward for the Thai nation.

Abhisit actually came to power with an election of MPs. The same way that Samak and Somchai came to power.

The last 5 years has been defined by political tension. There have been few political acheivements in the last 5 years either.

Dissolving parliament will not move the Thai nation forward. It will keep it exactly where it is. Political tension and few political acheivements.

The way forward is for a new constitution written for ALL Thais (not just to get Thaksin off) and voted for and accepted by all Thais.

Then have elections without corruption. The reds seem to want to take those clauses out of the constitution.

The 1997 constitution was written by ALL THAIS.

The Military threw it in the bin in 2006 as the Elite did not like it as it gave the poor democracy.

All you have to do is put the 1997 one back into place. It was called the "peoples constitution" as it was written by the people.

You really do know nothing about Thailand do you.

If Abhisit wanted to change the constitution, then why has he not done it so far ? He as been in power long enough ? Far too busy borrowing money, putting Thailand into debt and spending the money on who knows that, all we know is the ordinary people have seen nothing of what he has borrowed and spent.

[Guest]

My comment is not associated with the above remarks.

in the light of events today, I would think the government has lost all face, all control, and should resign.

[LevelHead]

Abhisit's reign has been tarnished by his coming to power without election, and has been defined by political tension, few political achievements and a sluggish economy. Dissolving the parliament as soon as it is feasible and letting the people vote is the way forward for the Thai nation.

Well said !!

He has been in power a long time already.

He has managed to do nothing about the constitution but now says he has to.

He has put the country into foreign debt.

The House needs to be dissolved and Abhisit and Suthep should resign and get out of politics for good.

[otherstuff1957]

... bring election within 3/6 months - only answer

Don't you mean and election within 15 days? Or is that 14 days now?

[thaihome]

Abhisit's reign has been tarnished by his coming to power without election, and has been defined by political tension, few political achievements and a sluggish economy. Dissolving the parliament as soon as it is feasible and letting the people vote is the way forward for the Thai nation.

Well said !!

He has been in power a long time already.

He has managed to do nothing about the constitution but now says he has to.

He has put the country into foreign debt.

The House needs to be dissolved and Abhisit and Suthep should resign and get out of politics for good.

Don't let facts get in your way...

TH

[anotherpeter]

Abhisit's reign has been tarnished by his coming to power without election, and has been defined by political tension, few political achievements and a sluggish economy. Dissolving the parliament as soon as it is feasible and letting the people vote is the way forward for the Thai nation.

Well said !!

He has been in power a long time already.

He has managed to do nothing about the constitution but now says he has to.

He has put the country into foreign debt.

The House needs to be dissolved and Abhisit and Suthep should resign and get out of politics for good.

He actually put forward some changes to the constitution, including some changes that the PTP wanted, but the PTP ended debate about it. It seems that it's the PTP stopping doing anything with the constitution.

There is a bit of a financial problem called the GFC. Read up on it. Most countries in the world have had to raise their debt.

And 16 months is hardly much time.

[ChiangMaiFun]

My comment is not associated with the above remarks.

in the light of events today, I would think the government has lost all face, all control, and should resign.

hear,hear

[lannarebirth]

Abhisit's reign has been tarnished by his coming to power without election, and has been defined by political tension, few political achievements and a sluggish economy. Dissolving the parliament as soon as it is feasible and letting the people vote is the way forward for the Thai nation.

Well said !!

He has been in power a long time already.

He has managed to do nothing about the constitution but now says he has to.

He has put the country into foreign debt.

The House needs to be dissolved and Abhisit and Suthep should resign and get out of politics for good.

Don't let facts get in your way...

TH

LevelHead is a liar. Trurh is Puea Thai backed out of proposed constitutional changes when they got a phone call from Thaksin nixing it.

Puea Thai MP Chalerm Yubamrung yesterday said the party had changed its mind and would not join the coalition government and the Senate in supporting the six amendments proposed by a special committee on national reconciliation and charter amendments.

Mr Chalerm said the party also disagreed with any plan to hold a public referendum on the charter changes. It also would do all it could to have the 1997 constitution reinstated.

The abrupt about-face could upset a meeting today of government, opposition and senate whips called to decide whether to proceed with the amendments.

Mr Chalerm said the Democrat Party had a hidden agenda and wanted to use the issue to prolong its stay in office.

"We don't trust the Democrat Party and will do everything we can to bring back the 1997 constitution," he said.

Puea Thai's about-face came after ousted prime minister Thaksin Shinawatra telephoned to address party members on Tuesday. He also opposed calls to hold a referendum to decide on the charter change proposals.

Mr Chalerm admitted Thaksin's suggestions influenced the party's position. We are not hiding this," he said.

Edited April 9, 2010 by lannarebirth

[LevelHead]

Abhisit's reign has been tarnished by his coming to power without election, and has been defined by political tension, few political achievements and a sluggish economy. Dissolving the parliament as soon as it is feasible and letting the people vote is the way forward for the Thai nation.

Well said !!

He has been in power a long time already.

He has managed to do nothing about the constitution but now says he has to.

He has put the country into foreign debt.

The House needs to be dissolved and Abhisit and Suthep should resign and get out of politics for good.

He actually put forward some changes to the constitution, including some changes that the PTP wanted, but the PTP ended debate about it. It seems that it's the PTP stopping doing anything with the constitution.

There is a bit of a financial problem called the GFC. Read up on it. Most countries in the world have had to raise their debt.

And 16 months is hardly much time.

Thanks, so now we know who was telling lies at the negotiation table.

You say Abhisit has only had 16 months and could not change it (nonsense) because someone else stopped him.

But then on TV he said he could do it in 9 months and then hold elections.

Thanks for making it very clear who was the not sincere party during the negotiations with the Reds.

When he said change the constitution in 9 months and hold elections then obviously this was not the truth, according to what you say ??

[rixalex]

There was a dirty election which was biased against the PPP, but they still won.

Dirty election? You say that like the previous ones were clean? You also say that like the PPP didn't play dirty itself.

The PPP won? Really? So why did they have to cobble together a coalition with smaller parties - some of which had told voters before the election that they wouldn't?

[way2muchcoffee]

Thanks, so now we know who was telling lies at the negotiation table.

You say Abhisit has only had 16 months and could not change it (nonsense) because someone else stopped him.

But then on TV he said he could do it in 9 months and then hold elections.

Thanks for making it very clear who was the not sincere party during the negotiations with the Reds.

When he said change the constitution in 9 months and hold elections then obviously this was not the truth, according to what you say ??

Do you have any knowledge about events in Thailand at all? Your ignorance is overwhelming. It would take three people full time to fill you in on all of the errors you make. Here is the sequence of events for the charter amendments.

1) The PTP demanded amendments. This was their primary condition for reconciliation.

2) The Democrats preferred no amendments, but were willing in the interests of reconciliation.

3) The Coalition Partners all wanted amendments.

4) Bipartisan committees were set up and worked for many months.

5) A conclusion was reached that was amenable to all parties, including the PTP.

6) At the very last minute the PTP pulled out.

7) Given that the PTP were the ones originally demanding the amendments, and that they suddenly and inexplicably reversed their decision, the Democrats decided to put the whole thing on hold. And that's where we are today. All that needs to be done is dust off the previous agreements reached by all sides and go forward with the amendment process.

Edited April 9, 2010 by way2muchcoffee

[britmaveric]

Wonder if Newin's party and few others might be ready to jump ship from the democratic coalition?

[LevelHead]

Thanks, so now we know who was telling lies at the negotiation table.

You say Abhisit has only had 16 months and could not change it (nonsense) because someone else stopped him.

But then on TV he said he could do it in 9 months and then hold elections.

Thanks for making it very clear who was the not sincere party during the negotiations with the Reds.

When he said change the constitution in 9 months and hold elections then obviously this was not the truth, according to what you say ??

Do you have any knowledge about events in Thailand at all? Your ignorance is overwhelming. It would take three people full time to fill you in on all of the errors you make. Here is the sequence of events for the charter amendments.

1) The PTP demanded amendments. This was their primary condition for reconciliation.

2) The Democrats preferred no amendments, but were willing in the interests of reconciliation.

3) The Coalition Partners all wanted amendments.

4) Bipartisan committees were set up and worked for many months.

5) A conclusion was reached that was amenable to all parties, including the PTP.

6) At the very last minute the PTP pulled out.

7) Given that the PTP were the ones demanding the amendments, and suddenly reversed their decision, the Democrats decided to put the whole thing on hold. And that's where we are today. All that needs to be done is dust off the previous agreements reached by all sides and go forward with the amendment process.

Please do not change the subject and go off on a diversion.

Abhisit said he needed 9 months to change the constitution and then have elections.

How did he promise that ? Is it any wonder the Reds pulled out.

If as you state he has no control of the amendments, then he was telling lies when he said "9 months to change the constitution and have elections".

Thats simple to follow is it not ?

Simple unless you might be a Yellow shirt liar perhaps ? I do not know.

[lannarebirth]

Thanks, so now we know who was telling lies at the negotiation table.

You say Abhisit has only had 16 months and could not change it (nonsense) because someone else stopped him.

But then on TV he said he could do it in 9 months and then hold elections.

Thanks for making it very clear who was the not sincere party during the negotiations with the Reds.

When he said change the constitution in 9 months and hold elections then obviously this was not the truth, according to what you say ??

Do you have any knowledge about events in Thailand at all? Your ignorance is overwhelming. It would take three people full time to fill you in on all of the errors you make. Here is the sequence of events for the charter amendments.

1) The PTP demanded amendments. This was their primary condition for reconciliation.

2) The Democrats preferred no amendments, but were willing in the interests of reconciliation.

3) The Coalition Partners all wanted amendments.

4) Bipartisan committees were set up and worked for many months.

5) A conclusion was reached that was amenable to all parties, including the PTP.

6) At the very last minute the PTP pulled out.

7) Given that the PTP were the ones demanding the amendments, and suddenly reversed their decision, the Democrats decided to put the whole thing on hold. And that's where we are today. All that needs to be done is dust off the previous agreements reached by all sides and go forward with the amendment process.

I think he knows all that. He's got a different goal here. What are they paying, 3 baht per post?

[anotherpeter]

Abhisit's reign has been tarnished by his coming to power without election, and has been defined by political tension, few political achievements and a sluggish economy. Dissolving the parliament as soon as it is feasible and letting the people vote is the way forward for the Thai nation.

Well said !!

He has been in power a long time already.

He has managed to do nothing about the constitution but now says he has to.

He has put the country into foreign debt.

The House needs to be dissolved and Abhisit and Suthep should resign and get out of politics for good.

He actually put forward some changes to the constitution, including some changes that the PTP wanted, but the PTP ended debate about it. It seems that it's the PTP stopping doing anything with the constitution.

There is a bit of a financial problem called the GFC. Read up on it. Most countries in the world have had to raise their debt.

And 16 months is hardly much time.

Thanks, so now we know who was telling lies at the negotiation table.

You say Abhisit has only had 16 months and could not change it (nonsense) because someone else stopped him.

But then on TV he said he could do it in 9 months and then hold elections.

Thanks for making it very clear who was the not sincere party during the negotiations with the Reds.

When he said change the constitution in 9 months and hold elections then obviously this was not the truth, according to what you say ??

Good twisting!! You're really good with the propaganda aren't you!!

I didn't say he spent 16 months trying to change it.

[way2muchcoffee]

Thanks, so now we know who was telling lies at the negotiation table.

You say Abhisit has only had 16 months and could not change it (nonsense) because someone else stopped him.

But then on TV he said he could do it in 9 months and then hold elections.

Thanks for making it very clear who was the not sincere party during the negotiations with the Reds.

When he said change the constitution in 9 months and hold elections then obviously this was not the truth, according to what you say ??

Do you have any knowledge about events in Thailand at all? Your ignorance is overwhelming. It would take three people full time to fill you in on all of the errors you make. Here is the sequence of events for the charter amendments.

1) The PTP demanded amendments. This was their primary condition for reconciliation.

2) The Democrats preferred no amendments, but were willing in the interests of reconciliation.

3) The Coalition Partners all wanted amendments.

4) Bipartisan committees were set up and worked for many months.

5) A conclusion was reached that was amenable to all parties, including the PTP.

6) At the very last minute the PTP pulled out.

7) Given that the PTP were the ones demanding the amendments, and suddenly reversed their decision, the Democrats decided to put the whole thing on hold. And that's where we are today. All that needs to be done is dust off the previous agreements reached by all sides and go forward with the amendment process.

Please do not change the subject and go off on a diversion.

Abhisit said he needed 9 months to change the constitution and then have elections.

How did he promise that ? Is it any wonder the Reds pulled out.

If as you state he has no control of the amendments, then he was telling lies when he said "9 months to change the constitution and have elections".

Thats simple to follow is it not ?

Simple unless you might be a Yellow shirt liar perhaps ? I do not know.

Really? That is your response? I'm speechless.