Red-Shirts Blamed For Gunfights, Bomb Attacks

[bubba]

Another video: "peaceful" protestor firing at a building

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY7OafG9Src

Just noticed that there appears to be a green laser gunsight being used as well. Coincidentally, NBT is showing these videos of the protestors firing assault rifles right now, and they are of very good resolution.

This all opens up an interesting question: who exactly shot and killed the red shirts last night? The ones whose bodies were so quickly brought up and paraded on stage as Jatuporn worked the crowd into a frenzy? And who killed the Japanese Reuters photographer?

[jdinasia]

Surely everyone is looking for a way out of this mess. As the evidence starts to come out it is clear there werent any really innocent parties in this horrible event. You cant change the past but you can make attempts to repeat the same mistakes.

Are the government and reds even talking to each other?

They are not OFFICIALLY speaking to each other right now. Jatuporn says "No Negotiations." and the government says they will only negotiate now when the reds start acting within the law.

[joseee]

10th of april is truly a sad day for the entire nation. It saddens me further that instead of trying to solve the issue, both sides are blaming each other. Both side must work together to prevent more violence. Thailand has lost as a nation.

[Neurath]

If the military put pressure on the minor coalition partners to withdraw and join with PT would the Red Shirt movement see this as a victory?

Ummm so .... what you are asking for is the military to be involved in politics? I would rather they do their jobs as assigned by the current lawful government. (Though the scenario that you put forward is not entirely without merit)

No, not asking that. Asking whether Jatuporn et. al. would be satisfied with that. I believe they would, and I believe that it would indicate a degree of hypocrisy at variance with their democratic rhetoric. This also indicated by Nattawut's request for intervention from 'on high'. I had been led to understand that both these things were to be abhorred by them.

The request is for intervention of the Father of all Thais, In such circumstances, in the past, he has distributed reprimands on a balanced way to everybody and succeeded to bring back Peace and he has cooled down the situation.

It is clearly a demand for uplifting the debate and get out of the mess: it is not a demand for a Military coup.

Would seem to me that it's an invocation and invitation of the very Amartyatippatai (Aristocracy) system whose more recent 'interventions' have been abhorred by the very same people. If I were in an ornery and agumentative frame of mind I might very well don a color and cry 'double standard'.

[bubba]

So long as we are collecting videos and photos of peaceful unarmed protestors, here is another one. We have also seen a protestor walking around with an AK-47 on BBC News.

http://twitpic.com/1et6o5

[snorkelador]

Another video: "peaceful" protestor firing at a building

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jY7OafG9Src

Just noticed that there appears to be a green laser gunsight being used as well. Coincidentally, NBT is showing these videos of the protestors firing assault rifles right now, and they are of very good resolution.

This all opens up an interesting question: who exactly shot and killed the red shirts last night? The ones whose bodies were so quickly brought up and paraded on stage as Jatuporn worked the crowd into a frenzy? And who killed the Japanese Reuters photographer?

Same like the M79 grenade that was fired into the soldiers, which according the the red shirts leader could not have possibly been fired from anybody sympathizing with the red, because it was a M79 (Nuttawut confirmed M79 were fired toward soldiers, "but not by us. We take no responsibility"). Anybody who has done anything other than rallying peacefully, is by the definition of those guys either a fake red, third hand or soldiers turning against the military! Life can be so easy if you just stick to lies and repeat them over and over again...

[Neurath]

So long as we are collecting videos and photos of peaceful unarmed protestors, here is another one. We have also seen a protestor walking around with an AK-47 on BBC News.

http://twitpic.com/1et6o5

Unless it's the same pictured in today's New York Times, it would indicate that there were at least a couple of them with that weaponry on the prowl.

[Insight]

Here's one I posted elsewhere:

[Insight]

This was from Twitter before:

Sea Deang said it was (his) 'Ronins' troops who open fired at the soldiers.

Why the h3ll have the authorities been so lax with this guy? Are the army going to want to follow the "rule of law" given he could well be responsible for the deaths and injuries of their soldiers?

[siampolee]

Interesting rhetoric, sound rather like a Hitler style rant.

[Neurath]

Here's one I posted elsewhere:

Hmmmm, that one will be difficult to explain away.

[bubba]

So long as we are collecting videos and photos of peaceful unarmed protestors, here is another one. We have also seen a protestor walking around with an AK-47 on BBC News.

http://twitpic.com/1et6o5

Unless it's the same pictured in today's New York Times, it would indicate that there were at least a couple of them with that weaponry on the prowl.

Could be the same guy. Here's the link:

http://www.nytimes.com/slideshow/2010/04/1...AND2_index.html

[bubba]

Here's one I posted elsewhere:

Hmmmm, that one will be difficult to explain away.

No it won't.

Fake red, or;

Mysterious third party.

[Insight]

And on the subject of videos, the reds on their body-snatching mission last night (nothing graphic here, just lots of anarchy and shouting) :

[chantorn]

so how 2 soldiers are injured and at least 15 protesters are dead (reds tell about 38 dead) and 680 injured, if it was protesters which used guns and bombs? So who was shooting at the protestors, if not the army and cops?

what a lot of propaganda about human rights, legal and international standards etc

"crowd-control measures" are not about shooting at point blank at the japanese journalist from reuters, because he told the soldier-murderer to <deleted>*k off

Do you have any proof to back up your claims?

[jdinasia]

This was from Twitter before:

Sea Deang said it was (his) 'Ronins' troops who open fired at the soldiers.

Why the h3ll have the authorities been so lax with this guy? Are the army going to want to follow the "rule of law" given he could well be responsible for the deaths and injuries of their soldiers?

a reminder -----

http://www.sae-dang.com/

BTW if that twitter is true then the Reds have no defense at all!

[noel2499rk]

Amarin Phachonyut:

"Tear gas responsible for chaos among troops at kokwoa intersection. The chaos triggered a misfire of M79 that drop in the command area instantly killed a commander and fatally wounded 3 others. LtGen. Walit lost his legs.

The troops in the front line thinking they were attack from behind turned around and started firing wounding 20 other officers.

After the mess, Prayuth held a meeting demanding other commanders support him in a coup. They all turned him down flat, and instead demanded he take responsibility for the mess."

From facebook udd

[bubba]

so how 2 soldiers are injured and at least 15 protesters are dead (reds tell about 38 dead) and 680 injured, if it was protesters which used guns and bombs? So who was shooting at the protestors, if not the army and cops?

what a lot of propaganda about human rights, legal and international standards etc

"crowd-control measures" are not about shooting at point blank at the japanese journalist from reuters, because he told the soldier-murderer to <deleted>*k off

Do you have any proof to back up your claims?

That's a good one, Londonthai. Typical mutation of an urban myth. Last night, it was a farang tourist who was shot in the head point blank because he had told a soldier to <deleted> off.

Post some proof or a link to substantiate such an outlandish story, or stop spreading such rubbish. At the very least, it is an insult to the dignity of the Japanese reporter who lost his life last night.

[neverdie]

so how 2 soldiers are injured and at least 15 protesters are dead (reds tell about 38 dead) and 680 injured, if it was protesters which used guns and bombs? So who was shooting at the protestors, if not the army and cops?

what a lot of propaganda about human rights, legal and international standards etc

"crowd-control measures" are not about shooting at point blank at the japanese journalist from reuters, because he told the soldier-murderer to <deleted>*k off

Do you have any proof to back up your claims?

That's a good one, Londonthai. Typical mutation of an urban myth. Last night, it was a farang tourist who was shot in the head point blank because he had told a soldier to <deleted> off.

Post some proof or a link to substantiate such an outlandish story, or stop spreading such rubbish. At the very least, it is an insult to the dignity of the Japanese reporter who lost his life last night.

Sound like typical hyperbol.

[bubba]

Amarin Phachonyut:

"Tear gas responsible for chaos among troops at kokwoa intersection. The chaos triggered a misfire of M79 that drop in the command area instantly killed a commander and fatally wounded 3 others. LtGen. Walit lost his legs.

The troops in the front line thinking they were attack from behind turned around and started firing wounding 20 other officers.

After the mess, Prayuth held a meeting demanding other commanders support him in a coup. They all turned him down flat, and instead demanded he take responsibility for the mess."

From facebook udd

From Facebook UDD? Well that is certainly a reliable and unbiased source.

[Insight]

Amarin Phachonyut:

"Tear gas responsible for chaos among troops at kokwoa intersection. The chaos triggered a misfire of M79 that drop in the command area instantly killed a commander and fatally wounded 3 others. LtGen. Walit lost his legs.

The troops in the front line thinking they were attack from behind turned around and started firing wounding 20 other officers.

After the mess, Prayuth held a meeting demanding other commanders support him in a coup. They all turned him down flat, and instead demanded he take responsibility for the mess."

From facebook udd

Interesting, but:

a) Would they really be that incompetent? (TiT and all)

What about the strong evidence coming forward of a third party?

[noel2499rk]

Amarin Phachonyut:

"Tear gas responsible for chaos among troops at kokwoa intersection. The chaos triggered a misfire of M79 that drop in the command area instantly killed a commander and fatally wounded 3 others. LtGen. Walit lost his legs.

The troops in the front line thinking they were attack from behind turned around and started firing wounding 20 other officers.

After the mess, Prayuth held a meeting demanding other commanders support him in a coup. They all turned him down flat, and instead demanded he take responsibility for the mess."

From facebook udd

From Facebook UDD? Well that is certainly a reliable and unbiased source.

As are the nation and bangkok post

[chantorn]

Can a bullet fired into the air kill someone when it comes down?

Yes. I once watch of discovey (not sure mythbuster or what). The expericent drop a small nut (nut and bolt, not nut you eat, or nut like you) from a very tall tower. The effect is deadly.

So the argument that army merely shooting into the air will not kill anyone is nonsense. If future, if army needs to shoot into the air, why don't they shoot at 90 degree, so the bullet show back at them. With helmet on, the are more likely to survive.

[animatic]

And on the subject of videos, the reds on their body-snatching mission last night (nothing graphic here, just lots of anarchy and shouting) :

Who was saying this isn't a mob?

[janderton]

Amarin Phachonyut:

"Tear gas responsible for chaos among troops at kokwoa intersection. The chaos triggered a misfire of M79 that drop in the command area instantly killed a commander and fatally wounded 3 others. LtGen. Walit lost his legs.

The troops in the front line thinking they were attack from behind turned around and started firing wounding 20 other officers.

After the mess, Prayuth held a meeting demanding other commanders support him in a coup. They all turned him down flat, and instead demanded he take responsibility for the mess."

From facebook udd

Interesting, but:

a) Would they really be that incompetent? (TiT and all)

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NATO refuses repeatedly to have them by side on peace intervention in south east asia..

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... Facebook UDD? Well that is certainly a reliable and unbiased source.

As are the nation and bangkok post

really? i've always trusted them

[bendejo]

Can a bullet fired into the air kill someone when it comes down?

Yes. I once watch of discovey (not sure mythbuster or what). The expericent drop a small nut (nut and bolt, not nut you eat, or nut like you) from a very tall tower. The effect is deadly.

So the argument that army merely shooting into the air will not kill anyone is nonsense. If future, if army needs to shoot into the air, why don't they shoot at 90 degree, so the bullet show back at them. With helmet on, the are more likely to survive.

Nearly impossible for someone to fire absolutely straight up (90 deg angle) without putting in some effort to assure it.

Firing a round from an AK-47 or M-16 quality of rifle, and being off by 5 deg. will have a bullet landing over 250 meters away; this is a broad calculation and doesn't involve atmospheric conditions.

[rheinwiese]

This can all be stopped with the reds going home. Is risking your life really worth 500 Baht a day from Thaksin?

The money has gone up.

All my neighbours here in the Samutprakarn village had been promised 100.000 Baht per household if the reds succeed.

Registration for the daily wage and the end bonus at Imperial Samrong Reds office.

Neighbours are saying they will join the rally to take the 100k for the children's future education.

[bubba]

Another for the peaceful, unarmed protestors archive.

[OzMick]

quote thaksin:

He also pleaded to the military as well as the government not to perceive the red shirts as their enemy but rather Thai citizens just like the rest of the nation.

They paid taxes for all the weapons used against them.

Rather hypocritical when he neglected to pay his own taxes!

[ALFREDO]

See the Reds sniper,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7oKenp6ZLw...feature=channel

Seems they changed the link from bubba and show at buubas link (Posting 174) another Video.

Edited April 11, 2010 by ALFREDO