Thai Protesters Brace For Crackdown As Compromise Rejected

[chantorn]

Quickly - Unmentionable english language daily starting with B and ending with T has a report on their homepage that several pickups with hundreds of southern muslims were seen on the route to Bangkok. That should stir the things up...

I can confirm that. It was on Thai news a while back this evening.

Have it ever occur to you, the the MEN in BLACK could be those from the Southern Muslim States (SMS)? Just a thought.

However, IMHO the government NEVER include this possibility into their consideration.

[Pakboong]

Just a question to all the RED supporters on TV

What is it that you support and how would any change in the government change your life?

Do you support democracy? or you support that poor must have more rights?

How do you think your life would change if government changed? Do you really believe new government will bring more democracy? or make poor not poor? or educate them?

Thaksin has 8 years and what did he do to educated the poor? did he make them less poor?

Not to mention Thaksins 8 years were in time of world prosperity, so you can not claim he did an excellent job running the country(every country in the world was peaking economically)

Taking city and its people as a hostage is not a fight for democracy it is straight out terrorism.

Those who I know who have Red leanings resent being labled ethnically inferior and stupid by their Chinese Lords. They do not resent being poor.

[rixalex]

Pushing the responsibility 100% to the police is not correct. This is the most stupid excuse. Are you saying that the police can sit there for 10 years, and say, sorry, no more charges as case has expires.

The police reports to the government/PM. The PM will need to take action with the Police, which indeed he did not.

A PM can only encourage an investigation along. He can't undertake it himself.

If you've spent any period of time in Thailand you would know that pretty much all investigations concerning so called "eminent" members of society drag on for ages. The yellow leaders involved with the airport nonsense are no exception, and i have no doubt that the red leaders involved in the current nonsense will too wriggle away from having to face justice.

P.S. In my opinion throwing in the "stupid" word, whether as a direct or an indirect insult is what helps to derail these threads.

[hammered]

With the naming of Chavalit this is only going to get nastier. You wont find any Thai person who disagrees with that. Expect the reds, the blacks and the PTP to really ramp up activities. What is interesting is that the government must have known this when Abhisit made the statement so what do they have planned

In areas with strong PTP patronage systems like Pathum Thani, Udon Thani we already see mobilizations.

The wife and her friends and family have been talking about the red shirts a lot lately. Interesting observations:

The hard core and the organised are coming out more and more and like them more and more

Those who liked them and sympathised with them, but werent hardcore, a few months ago has been decreasing as the many increasingly see the reds as having "gone too far"

Every night certain powerful people send their groups down to protect the rally into the early hours of the morning.

This represents comments of people from Chonburi, Bangkok, Chiang Rai and most lower northern provinces. In Chonburi andf Bangkok a mix of working class to middle class and in the other areas virtually all farmers. Interestingly a lot of people a few months ago would have had different opinions.

By the way, most also seem to think that the main clash right now is a power struggle between powerful forces and nothing to do with class war although injustices are seen as a big issue but one now hidden in the usual Thai game.

[AleG]

Have it ever occur to you, the the MEN in BLACK could be those from the Southern Muslim States (SMS)? Just a thought.

However, IMHO the government NEVER include this possibility into their consideration.

Why would the reds let heavily armed Muslim insurgents mingle among them? (as in the black shirts in the April 10th debacle)

I mean, try putting on a yellow shirt and walking into a red mob, see how far you go.

[chantorn]

Have it ever occur to you, the the MEN in BLACK could be those from the Southern Muslim States (SMS)? Just a thought.

However, IMHO the government NEVER include this possibility into their consideration.

Why would the reds let heavily armed Muslim insurgents mingle among them? (as in the black shirts in the April 10th debacle)

I mean, try putting on a yellow shirt and walking into a red mob, see how far you go.

ASTV / Manager.co.th have photo of this guy being a monk & sits praying with other monks. So IMHO this particular MEN IN BLACK might nit be a Muslim.

[jefro]

Have it ever occur to you, the the MEN in BLACK could be those from the Southern Muslim States (SMS)? Just a thought.

However, IMHO the government NEVER include this possibility into their consideration.

Why would the reds let heavily armed Muslim insurgents mingle among them? (as in the black shirts in the April 10th debacle)

I mean, try putting on a yellow shirt and walking into a red mob, see how far you go.

What do the red Men In Black carry in their bags ?

[AleG]

Have it ever occur to you, the the MEN in BLACK could be those from the Southern Muslim States (SMS)? Just a thought.

However, IMHO the government NEVER include this possibility into their consideration.

Why would the reds let heavily armed Muslim insurgents mingle among them? (as in the black shirts in the April 10th debacle)

I mean, try putting on a yellow shirt and walking into a red mob, see how far you go.

ASTV / Manager.co.th have photo of this guy being a monk & sits praying with other monks. So IMHO this particular MEN IN BLACK might nit be a Muslim.

Sorry, I meant that photo to be a demonstration of the armed black guys walking freely among the reds. I didn't want to imply they are southern Muslims.

[chantorn]

Just a question to all the RED supporters on TV

What is it that you support and how would any change in the government change your life?

Do you support democracy? or you support that poor must have more rights?

How do you think your life would change if government changed? Do you really believe new government will bring more democracy? or make poor not poor? or educate them?

Thaksin has 8 years and what did he do to educated the poor? did he make them less poor?

Not to mention Thaksins 8 years were in time of world prosperity, so you can not claim he did an excellent job running the country(every country in the world was peaking economically)

Taking city and its people as a hostage is not a fight for democracy it is straight out terrorism.

Those who I know who have Red leanings resent being labled ethnically inferior and stupid by their Chinese Lords. They do not resent being poor.

Might be true, I don't know. I am not a Chaines. IMHO some 100% Chinese (from 100% Chinese route, with no Thai blood mix tracing by 3 generations) are people like Sondhi, Thaksin, Mark, Chamlong, Samak, Banharn, Chua, Somchai, ... ... ...

[jefro]

Have it ever occur to you, the the MEN in BLACK could be those from the Southern Muslim States (SMS)? Just a thought.

However, IMHO the government NEVER include this possibility into their consideration.

Why would the reds let heavily armed Muslim insurgents mingle among them? (as in the black shirts in the April 10th debacle)

I mean, try putting on a yellow shirt and walking into a red mob, see how far you go.

What do the red Men In Black carry in their bags ?

Could be the same rifle in both photos.

[midas]

Quickly - Unmentionable english language daily starting with B and ending with T has a report on their homepage that several pickups with hundreds of southern muslims were seen on the route to Bangkok. That should stir the things up...

I can confirm that. It was on Thai news a while back this evening.

Have it ever occur to you, the the MEN in BLACK could be those from the Southern Muslim States (SMS)? Just a thought.However, IMHO the government NEVER include this possibility into their consideration.

ok if you really want to complicate things......read this

http://blendzpolitik.blogspot.com/2010/04/...-overthrow.html

[GungaDin]

Quickly - Unmentionable english language daily starting with B and ending with T has a report on their homepage that several pickups with hundreds of southern muslims were seen on the route to Bangkok. That should stir the things up...

I can confirm that. It was on Thai news a while back this evening.

Have it ever occur to you, the the MEN in BLACK could be those from the Southern Muslim States (SMS)? Just a thought.However, IMHO the government NEVER include this possibility into their consideration.

ok if you really want to complicate things......read this

http://blendzpolitik.blogspot.com/2010/04/...-overthrow.html

Men in Black or "thahan phran"

[ozzieman05]

The yellow PAD stormed government house and held it hostage for 8 months. The current government has had nearly 2 years to bring them to justice, but they're still free running around, making plans for new yellow PAD demonstrations.

Governments have many responsibilities, but bringing people to justice isn't one of them. That responsibility lies with the police and the judiciary.

And the fact that the yellows are still running around free and avoiding justice is hardly unique now is it - plenty of reds, including its esteemed leader doing exactly that too.

Pushing the responsibility 100% to the police is not correct. This is the most stupid excuse. Are you saying that the police can sit there for 10 years, and say, sorry, no more charges as case has expires.

The police reports to the government/PM. The PM will need to take action with the Police, which indeed he did not.

The police that are looking after the yellow shirt case are the same police looking after arresting the Red shirts with arrest warrants

It seems you forfget this and only talk half the facts to suit yourself

[hammered]

Quickly - Unmentionable english language daily starting with B and ending with T has a report on their homepage that several pickups with hundreds of southern muslims were seen on the route to Bangkok. That should stir the things up...

I can confirm that. It was on Thai news a while back this evening.

Have it ever occur to you, the the MEN in BLACK could be those from the Southern Muslim States (SMS)? Just a thought.However, IMHO the government NEVER include this possibility into their consideration.

ok if you really want to complicate things......read this

http://blendzpolitik.blogspot.com/2010/04/...-overthrow.html

That makes some of the more propagandized and outlandish posters on here seem totally sane

By the way, if you want to know who most think is behind the balck shirts just ask any Thai person who trusts you enough to give an honest answer. A huge huge majority come to the same conclusion.

Edited April 26, 2010 by hammered

[bkkjames]

These guys?

[barnsworth]

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world...?iref=allsearch

Most nocitable thing about his is the poverty and committment.

Nothing like the beautiful appartments and houses and malls that the Bangkok Elite are used to.

Very interesting insight for those who rarely travel north.

My wifes village looks like this. Fantastic people, hard working, down trodden.

[agord]

If this was LA , Bangkok would be burned to the ground by now.

LA knows how to throw a good riot.

"People, can't we all just get along?"

Actually Issan would be burned - the LA rioters burned their own neighbourhoods well everything but the Korean owned shops which were bravely defended by their owners.

[Rinrada]

Plea for Democratic change ...Thai Style

Good propaganda photo. Do you think the soldiers would intentionally hurt someone like that?

Didnt stop the so called PEOPLES Army on that sad occasion in 1989 at Tiananmen Square ....remember

"The Tiananmen Square protests of 1989, referred to in much of the world as the Tiananmen Square massacre and in the People's Republic of China"

wots that old saying........"Power corrupts .........Alsolute Power Corrupts Absolutely"

...the World is listening and watching.......

[Ricardo]

Why would the reds let heavily armed Muslim insurgents mingle among them? (as in the black shirts in the April 10th debacle)

I mean, try putting on a yellow shirt and walking into a red mob, see how far you go.

This is obviously a blood-sucking baby-eating elitist PAD-terrorist, who has sneaked into the midst of the peaceful Red-Shirt "war" for "a new Thai state", and has remained undetected due to his clever camouflage. Or they would have thrown him out, no ?

Clearly all PM-Abhisit's or Gen Anupong's fault, for failing to send in the tanks when scripted, and the elected PM should therefore apologise profusely to the disgraced former-PM currently holidaying & shopping with his family in Dubai, for having had the temerity to form a coalition-government, against his wishes.

[TAWP]

due to a mob, that's anarchy. while we've more than 420,000 people on facebook _opposing_ house dissolution?

420,000 people are members of the Facebook group. It doesn't mean that each member opposes house dissolution. You have to understand how Facebook works before you try and use it as a scientific poll of public opinion. Let's assume however that every single of those 420,000 people oppose the house dissolution ...that's only 1.52% of the Thai population.

Suddenly doesn't seem like that many people anymore, does it? 1.52% of Thais oppose house dissolution, while 98.48% don't. Hmmm...

98.48% don't?

Your fallacy would make a stone blush.

Edited April 26, 2010 by TAWP

[kratiam]

due to a mob, that's anarchy. while we've more than 420,000 people on facebook _opposing_ house dissolution?

420,000 people are members of the Facebook group. It doesn't mean that each member opposes house dissolution. You have to understand how Facebook works before you try and use it as a scientific poll of public opinion. Let's assume however that every single of those 420,000 people oppose the house dissolution ...that's only 1.52% of the Thai population.

Suddenly doesn't seem like that many people anymore, does it? 1.52% of Thais oppose house dissolution, while 98.48% don't. Hmmm...

98.48% don't?

Your fallacy would make a stone blush.

Agree 100%.....amazingly childish conclusion!

[animatic]

due to a mob, that's anarchy. while we've more than 420,000 people on facebook _opposing_ house dissolution?

420,000 people are members of the Facebook group. It doesn't mean that each member opposes house dissolution. You have to understand how Facebook works before you try and use it as a scientific poll of public opinion. Let's assume however that every single of those 420,000 people oppose the house dissolution ...that's only 1.52% of the Thai population.

Suddenly doesn't seem like that many people anymore, does it? 1.52% of Thais oppose house dissolution, while 98.48% don't. Hmmm...

98.48% don't?

Your fallacy would make a stone blush.

The whole point of the group is :

a ) It is specifically to oppose early house dissolution

b )You MUST actively join it.

So the meaning is that

420,000+ people actively oppose house dissolution,

and THAT significantly out numbers the Red protesters....

Protest by other means; using Facebook / in a civilized fashion.

If you try to say it is insignificant, then you point out glaringly

how insignificant the Red Shirts backing Thaksin's needs are,

other than because of their violent tactical methods.

Game, set, match.

Edited April 26, 2010 by animatic

[hammered]

Yesterday's article in the Straits Times quoting Aung San Suu Kyi's opinion on the Thai crisis is probably a lot more illuminating than any of this nonsense.

Aung San Suu Kyi has earned her right to say what she does however I would suggest using a source other than the Straits Times which was recently caught by bloggers having posted an edited version of the last video of the Japanese journo to fit a certain line the video didnt really show.

[Silurian]

ok if you really want to complicate things......read this

http://blendzpolitik.blogspot.com/2010/04/...-overthrow.html

Boy, does that article go off the deep end. Of course, if you look on the left hand side you will also find an article called "Stephen Hawking: Aliens may pose risk"

You just got to love those conspiracy sites. Better than most Sci-Fi currently on TV.

[agord]

Wasn't referring to FaceBook. Just saying that counting only those who publicly acknowledge support for something is far off the real support base.

And as you say 1.52% of thais are opposing the house dissolution. That doesn't mean the other 98.48% support it.

Same as you can't only count the few thousand protesters occupying Rajprasong and a few other rallies in the country. They would be far below 1% of the people. But we both know that the red support base is far larger than that.

So don't just twist the numbers around like that as you know what you are saying is not true.

I was twisting the numbers around in sarcasm of the original post. Maybe you missed that part, sorry. The original post basically said that 420,000 Facebook members oppose the house dissolution, which may actually be much lower, as being a member of a Facebook group doesn't mean you support it.

Huh? then why join the FB group? If you didn't support it why would you join? Not that i think facebook is an accurate way to pole or anything but your point doesn't make any sense.

[hammered]

due to a mob, that's anarchy. while we've more than 420,000 people on facebook _opposing_ house dissolution?

420,000 people are members of the Facebook group. It doesn't mean that each member opposes house dissolution. You have to understand how Facebook works before you try and use it as a scientific poll of public opinion. Let's assume however that every single of those 420,000 people oppose the house dissolution ...that's only 1.52% of the Thai population.

Suddenly doesn't seem like that many people anymore, does it? 1.52% of Thais oppose house dissolution, while 98.48% don't. Hmmm...

The Khon Kaen University poll showed 49% of people in the Isaan didnt want a disolution and that was before the Silom killing. It also includes stated reasons on why or why not.

Your facebook argument by logical extension means we should also ignore the Rachaprasong demonstrators who certainly dont number anywhere near 420K. Logically following you argument it would go "well only 0.1% of the Thai population are demonstrating for an immediate disolution (actually they are split on 15 days, 30 days, 3 months, 5 months if you care to analyses what they actually say) so the other 99.9%..."

Still the reality is nobody at all in this intra-elite power struggle gives a toss what most people think.

[enginerevision]

Thaksin denies he is dead

Rumours have swept the Internet in recent days that the fugitive ex-premier has succumbed to cancer in Dubai, but he claims that he is still very much alive.

[agord]

Wonder if levelhead and redparrot believe OJ was innocent?

[ozfarang81]

did you guys see the main protest site today?

look at it!! numbers surely seem to be dwindling:

tweet photo of red shirt main stage

[blaze]

did you guys see the main protest site today?

look at it!! numbers surely seem to be dwindling:

tweet photo of red shirt main stage

Well, you go take a stroll around there about 7 tonight- then meander up to Rama IV. I think you might get a slightly different impression from the given by that photo.