Chulalongkorn Hospital Evacuated After Stormed By Red-Shirts

[Insight]

Watch Newin

Kinda vague

[Insight]

My money's on Newin for the next PM to be sure, there just being the small matter of 5-year ban to get round. When's it up? Before December 2011...ahhh...

No chance - way too polarising and would lead us back to square one IMHO.

[LevelHead]

This picture comes from August 2008.

It was in the papers (outside Thailand) and clearly shows an Army soldier teaching PAD protestors how to fight the Police.

Any of you wonder why the Police now will not help the Army/Abhisit/PAD/Team Yellow ????????

[hammered]

Hammered ---

That still leaves Veera to be considered. It looks like the folks running the reds made sure that EVERY red leader took a bite of the poison apple. Veera openly called for violence against the state like Jatuporn and Weng (looks like they made Veera do that when he came out of the government negotiations looking good!).

Chavalit is likely done ... same with another few PTP MP's.

The only ones coming out looking (relaitively) good are Banharn, Newin, and Abhisit (and yes I think that if they slam the lid on the red leadership and Thaksin then Abhisit comes out smelling like a rose!)

This ends up with the "right guy" getting tapped to lead the military, the PTP biting it badly in the next elections and the Newin and Banharn factions being the controlling factor in a new Democrat lead government. The "generals" end up with enough dirt on Banharn Newin and the Dems to feel safe and strong but not enough to be totally secure.

That leaves what happens when everything changes in Thailand.

Prem has been rumored to be at 1st Reg ... other rumors are circulating about Prem having been hurt recently. They are so vague (the rumors) that who can trust them at all?

Watch Newin

My money's on Newin for the next PM to be sure, there just being the small matter of 5-year ban to get round. When's it up? Before December 2011...ahhh...

Why would Newin want o be PM and face all that ban stuff and criticism when he can just put someone up front and replace them when he wants. And remember Newin is very powrful in the Isaan and unlike Khwanchai doesnt run away when his boys go in which is going to be pushed up Isaan way. Khwancahi is already lashing out on the red stage about people calling him a coward. Lots of stuff going on we never see

[hammered]

This picture comes from August 2008.

It was in the papers (outside Thailand) and clearly shows an Army soldier teaching PAD protestors how to fight the Police.

Any of you wonder why the Police now will not help the Army/Abhisit/PAD/Team Yellow ????????

That has nothign to do with terrorizing a hospital and by the way what has Sae Daeng been doing. By the way do you know why the police hierarchy are so beholden to Thaksin?

[elcent]

Hammered ---

That still leaves Veera to be considered. It looks like the folks running the reds made sure that EVERY red leader took a bite of the poison apple. Veera openly called for violence against the state like Jatuporn and Weng (looks like they made Veera do that when he came out of the government negotiations looking good!).

Chavalit is likely done ... same with another few PTP MP's.

The only ones coming out looking (relaitively) good are Banharn, Newin, and Abhisit (and yes I think that if they slam the lid on the red leadership and Thaksin then Abhisit comes out smelling like a rose!)

This ends up with the "right guy" getting tapped to lead the military, the PTP biting it badly in the next elections and the Newin and Banharn factions being the controlling factor in a new Democrat lead government. The "generals" end up with enough dirt on Banharn Newin and the Dems to feel safe and strong but not enough to be totally secure.

That leaves what happens when everything changes in Thailand.

Prem has been rumored to be at 1st Reg ... other rumors are circulating about Prem having been hurt recently. They are so vague (the rumors) that who can trust them at all?

Watch Newin

That would be another catastrophe. But insider within the Thai societies tip him to eventually become PM

[dobadoy]

Hammered ---

That still leaves Veera to be considered. It looks like the folks running the reds made sure that EVERY red leader took a bite of the poison apple. Veera openly called for violence against the state like Jatuporn and Weng (looks like they made Veera do that when he came out of the government negotiations looking good!).

Chavalit is likely done ... same with another few PTP MP's.

The only ones coming out looking (relaitively) good are Banharn, Newin, and Abhisit (and yes I think that if they slam the lid on the red leadership and Thaksin then Abhisit comes out smelling like a rose!)

This ends up with the "right guy" getting tapped to lead the military, the PTP biting it badly in the next elections and the Newin and Banharn factions being the controlling factor in a new Democrat lead government. The "generals" end up with enough dirt on Banharn Newin and the Dems to feel safe and strong but not enough to be totally secure.

That leaves what happens when everything changes in Thailand.

Prem has been rumored to be at 1st Reg ... other rumors are circulating about Prem having been hurt recently. They are so vague (the rumors) that who can trust them at all?

Watch Newin

My money's on Newin for the next PM to be sure, there just being the small matter of 5-year ban to get round. When's it up? Before December 2011...ahhh...

Why would Newin want o be PM and face all that ban stuff and criticism when he can just put someone up front and replace them when he wants. And remember Newin is very powrful in the Isaan and unlike Khwanchai doesnt run away when his boys go in which is going to be pushed up Isaan way. Khwancahi is already lashing out on the red stage about people calling him a coward. Lots of stuff going on we never see

Well, at a guess, the same reason he went into politics in the first place. It's not influence or money or power that drives these people once they've reached a certain level, its pure ego and the desire to be remembered by history, the 'legacy' and 'immortality' thing. Being the PM will do that for you, being the back-room boy won't.

Edited April 30, 2010 by dobadoy

[TheOldWolf]

This picture comes from August 2008.

It was in the papers (outside Thailand) and clearly shows an Army soldier teaching PAD protestors how to fight the Police.

Any of you wonder why the Police now will not help the Army/Abhisit/PAD/Team Yellow ????????

It is intressting that you say "fight the police" and the text say "defend them self from the police". For me that is two very different things.

[hammered]

Hammered ---

That still leaves Veera to be considered. It looks like the folks running the reds made sure that EVERY red leader took a bite of the poison apple. Veera openly called for violence against the state like Jatuporn and Weng (looks like they made Veera do that when he came out of the government negotiations looking good!).

Chavalit is likely done ... same with another few PTP MP's.

The only ones coming out looking (relaitively) good are Banharn, Newin, and Abhisit (and yes I think that if they slam the lid on the red leadership and Thaksin then Abhisit comes out smelling like a rose!)

This ends up with the "right guy" getting tapped to lead the military, the PTP biting it badly in the next elections and the Newin and Banharn factions being the controlling factor in a new Democrat lead government. The "generals" end up with enough dirt on Banharn Newin and the Dems to feel safe and strong but not enough to be totally secure.

That leaves what happens when everything changes in Thailand.

Prem has been rumored to be at 1st Reg ... other rumors are circulating about Prem having been hurt recently. They are so vague (the rumors) that who can trust them at all?

Watch Newin

That would be another catastrophe. But insider within the Thai societies tip him to eventually become PM

Newin never chooses the losing side

[hammered]

Well, at a guess, the same reason he went into politics in the first place. It's not influence or money or power that drives these people once they've reached a certain level, its pure ego and the desire to be remembered by history, the 'legacy' and 'immortality' thing. Being the PM will do that for you, being the back-room boy won't.

That will probably come with Newin but right now onbly a fool would actually be PM. Look at Samak, Somchai, Abhisit. all wrecked. You can pull strings and play warwick and not get hurt at this point in time. The PM ship comes later as a reward for what you did imho. In power struggles the most powerful player left gets to decide what happens

[Meridian007]

Hammered ---

That still leaves Veera to be considered. It looks like the folks running the reds made sure that EVERY red leader took a bite of the poison apple. Veera openly called for violence against the state like Jatuporn and Weng (looks like they made Veera do that when he came out of the government negotiations looking good!).

Chavalit is likely done ... same with another few PTP MP's.

The only ones coming out looking (relaitively) good are Banharn, Newin, and Abhisit (and yes I think that if they slam the lid on the red leadership and Thaksin then Abhisit comes out smelling like a rose!)

This ends up with the "right guy" getting tapped to lead the military, the PTP biting it badly in the next elections and the Newin and Banharn factions being the controlling factor in a new Democrat lead government. The "generals" end up with enough dirt on Banharn Newin and the Dems to feel safe and strong but not enough to be totally secure.

That leaves what happens when everything changes in Thailand.

Prem has been rumored to be at 1st Reg ... other rumors are circulating about Prem having been hurt recently. They are so vague (the rumors) that who can trust them at all?

Watch Newin

That would be another catastrophe. But insider within the Thai societies tip him to eventually become PM

Newin never chooses the losing side

Didn't his dad come out lately saying that it would be nice if Newin were PM some time in the future? Blech. From Abhisit to Newin? What a step backwards!

[Jingthing]

Newin named after notorious Burmese general Ne Win by his parents. Strange parents?

[Netfan]

This could very well prove to be an electoral disaster for the reds. The pictures of sick children lying on the floor are horrid and are going to be splashed everywhere

I wonder if they will also state the fact that they didn't even have to be moved. Looks like someone tried to pull a pro-government PR stunt and pulled it off quite well.

Do you have no compassion for the patients? What is wrong with you? Seriously. No matter what side you are on, you can have compassion for the children and their parents effected by this. You are one pathetic piece )%&^$*^$*(& You do fit right in with the red leadership though...

Sorry, back to politics....

Edited April 30, 2010 by Netfan

[hammered]

Didn't his dad come out lately saying that it would be nice if Newin were PM some time in the future? Blech. From Abhisit to Newin? What a step backwards!

It wont work that way. If Newin becomes PM it will be year down th line. He is too shrewd to ruin his career now

[dobadoy]

Well, at a guess, the same reason he went into politics in the first place. It's not influence or money or power that drives these people once they've reached a certain level, its pure ego and the desire to be remembered by history, the 'legacy' and 'immortality' thing. Being the PM will do that for you, being the back-room boy won't.

That will probably come with Newin but right now onbly a fool would actually be PM. Look at Samak, Somchai, Abhisit. all wrecked. You can pull strings and play warwick and not get hurt at this point in time. The PM ship comes later as a reward for what you did imho. In power struggles the most powerful player left gets to decide what happens

Agreed, which is why I thought your comment 'watche Newin' was quite smart. Before this little shindig is settled, he will step up to the plate and be rewarded for it. He represents the only middle ground between the two sides. But obviously you had something else in mind. Gonna share or not?

Edited April 30, 2010 by dobadoy

[elcent]

-- The Nation

An expoliceman has been arrested in the March 20 rocket attack on the Defence Ministry.

Police said he was a highprofile suspect found to have been implicated in eight previous bomb attacks throughout Bangkok.

The suspect Bundit Sitthichum confessed he had actually tried to fire the rocket-propelled grenade at the Temple of the Emerald Buddha located not far away but the rocket missed the target as it hit electric wire nearby, said chief of Department of Special Investigation Tharit Pengdit.

Bundit allegedly said a man with ties to a political party paid him Bt500,000 to carry out the attack on the historic and symbolic landmark, Tharit said in a press conference.

The lone RPG round hit power wires and deflected off them before hitting the Defence Ministry which is located opposite the temple. After a police press conference announcing Bundit's arrest, the redshirted leaders spoke at the rally site at Rajprasong intersection that Bundit was paid by the government to lure the public into believing that red shirts were behind the attack.

Police and the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) are jointly handling this RPG attack case and will decide soon whether the latter would take over it, which involved acts of terrorism.

Bundit has also been implicated in other eight bomb attacks before the RPG incident, judging from manners of crimes and explosives used in the eight relevant cases, said deputy police chief Pol General Phanuphong Singhara na Ayutthya.

There were 60 bomb attacks occurring across the country, 46 in Bangkok alone, since the redshirted rally began on March 12, he said.

DSI directorgeneral Tharit said a senior redshirted guard, Chayut Laijaroen, began to cooperate and provided information useful to the investigation. "But it is not deemed a full cooperation or allout confession from him yet," he added.

Acting police chief Pol General Patheep Tanprasert said police could say next two days whether many M79 attacks were carried out using grenades in the same lot which was seized on Wednesday from a man on a motorcycle, and later found owned by Pol Sgt Major Parinya Maneekhote, of Khoo Khot police station, who was arrested on Thursday.

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

[shawndoc]

According to ASTV (need to be careful) Payap has said Jatuporn ordered the raid and he has the all the media as his witnesses. Interesting

Terry Fredrickson (who live tweets translations of what's said on the red shirt stage, as well as press conferences held by the reds and government) mentioned while it was going on that Jatuporn was encouraging it. So there is audio/video out there of Jatuporn encouraging it. So it looks like if the reds try to throw Payap under the bus, he'll drag Jauporn with him.

http://twitter.com/terryfrd

[jdinasia]

Didn't his dad come out lately saying that it would be nice if Newin were PM some time in the future? Blech. From Abhisit to Newin? What a step backwards!

It wont work that way. If Newin becomes PM it will be year down th line. He is too shrewd to ruin his career now

He's too shrewd to take the post at all! His son, cousin, sister's maid's brother ..... just not him But if Newin and Banharn are the power behind whoever leads the coalition government that will suit them better than being on the front line.

[hammered]

Well, at a guess, the same reason he went into politics in the first place. It's not influence or money or power that drives these people once they've reached a certain level, its pure ego and the desire to be remembered by history, the 'legacy' and 'immortality' thing. Being the PM will do that for you, being the back-room boy won't.

That will probably come with Newin but right now onbly a fool would actually be PM. Look at Samak, Somchai, Abhisit. all wrecked. You can pull strings and play warwick and not get hurt at this point in time. The PM ship comes later as a reward for what you did imho. In power struggles the most powerful player left gets to decide what happens

Agreed, which is why I thought your comment 'watche Newin' was quite smart. Before this little shindig is settled, he will step up to the plate and be rewarded for it. He represents the only middle ground between the two sides. But obviously you had something else in mind. Gonna share or not?

I have nothing in mind but recognize he is:

1. a player

2. very powerful

3. Controls a great swathe of the Isaan and has reapeatedly outmanouvered the Isaan Pattan group which Khwancahi hails from up there

4. Has men who will follow him. He was instrumental in setting up the reds initially

5. Is feared by his oppnents

6. Willing to put his neck on th line when he sends people in

7. Not afraid of reds, sae daeng, thaksin or chavalit

8. Is a total royalist right now which gives him very powerful and unexpected allies

Which when you consider Thailand is not under law and order in the capital is all important, but I dont know more than the next man or woman

[hammered]

-- The Nation

An expoliceman has been arrested in the March 20 rocket attack on the Defence Ministry.

Police said he was a highprofile suspect found to have been implicated in eight previous bomb attacks throughout Bangkok.

The suspect Bundit Sitthichum confessed he had actually tried to fire the rocket-propelled grenade at the Temple of the Emerald Buddha located not far away but the rocket missed the target as it hit electric wire nearby, said chief of Department of Special Investigation Tharit Pengdit.

Bundit allegedly said a man with ties to a political party paid him Bt500,000 to carry out the attack on the historic and symbolic landmark, Tharit said in a press conference.

The lone RPG round hit power wires and deflected off them before hitting the Defence Ministry which is located opposite the temple. After a police press conference announcing Bundit's arrest, the redshirted leaders spoke at the rally site at Rajprasong intersection that Bundit was paid by the government to lure the public into believing that red shirts were behind the attack.

Police and the Department of Special Investigation (DSI) are jointly handling this RPG attack case and will decide soon whether the latter would take over it, which involved acts of terrorism.

Bundit has also been implicated in other eight bomb attacks before the RPG incident, judging from manners of crimes and explosives used in the eight relevant cases, said deputy police chief Pol General Phanuphong Singhara na Ayutthya.

There were 60 bomb attacks occurring across the country, 46 in Bangkok alone, since the redshirted rally began on March 12, he said.

DSI directorgeneral Tharit said a senior redshirted guard, Chayut Laijaroen, began to cooperate and provided information useful to the investigation. "But it is not deemed a full cooperation or allout confession from him yet," he added.

Acting police chief Pol General Patheep Tanprasert said police could say next two days whether many M79 attacks were carried out using grenades in the same lot which was seized on Wednesday from a man on a motorcycle, and later found owned by Pol Sgt Major Parinya Maneekhote, of Khoo Khot police station, who was arrested on Thursday.

[newsfooter][/newsfooter]

This is a very big story

If Chayut speaks it will be surprising but he could bring the whole house of cards down if he does

Edited April 30, 2010 by hammered

[mazeltov]

A desperately absurd argument you are not successfully making.

And the flame to finish it, bravo.

Thank you for your input.

I don't know about what you are talking and what is your point. Care to explain what and who you mean with 'desperately absurd argument'?

But i am sure that you can tell jingthing a few things he isn't aware off. You know it better, right?

Samak -- red shirt hero, Thaksin puppet PM, chef, implicated in the 1976 mass murder of peaceful, non-violent Thai students at Thammasat U.

sounds very different from the version that was debated few days ago.

Yes I know the history of Thammasat 1976, I was living just a few miles away at the time and watching the whole thing on the TV.

I remember quite clearly how four officials, waving a large white flag were gunned down by the students as they were walking in through the main gate to negotiate a ceasefire. The students were on the 3rd floor stairs and used a M50 heavy caliber machine gun to kill the four officers.

After that all hel_l broke lose and I remember the crowd grabbing a student, hanging him and then burning him alive in what used to be the old Sunday market.

The students were out and out communists in those days, and the ones that escaped out the back and up the river, went to live in China. Now must are back in Thailand after they were awarded immunity from prosecution.

One might extrapolate this the crucible in which Red Shirt Dr. Weng's philosophy was hardened.

So what you think about Weng seems clear, but would you agree with the jingthing interpretation too?

How it comes that member Hawk tells us something else? What is true?

Recap: The whole point started with member jingthing who wanted to frame and blame the red shirts for the October 76 tragedy with finger-pointing at Samak. mass murder of innocent peaceful non violent students, he said.

Unfortunately he refused to become more elaborate. Busy typing so many entries per day he had no time leftover to do it.

I said it is necessary to keep the things in context and look at the source of his information.

because it is mostly a version of the history that Dr. Weng and Prof. Giles Ji Ungpakorn opine. who are not exactly leading figures of the anti-red movement, right.

Actually is that what Jingthing called "common knowledge- google it" the history written & published by and according to Ungpakorn and former CPT like Weng and nobody else. A version recognised and accepted by the so called 'western liberal view'. And too detailed books about it are banned in Thailand. A reduced wiki version seems to be jungthings common "knowledge". In thai context something like 'wengen'.

Than in Thailand that version far from established, that explained Samaks reaction in the Al Jazeera interview "only one died". Only strange for western eyes. Samak was loyal to the constitution and a staunch anti-communist just like the Democrats Party for example, the Chuan Leekpai government wanted to honour Dictator Thanom Kittikachorn. And the evil-communist card or the blame game to label someone as anti-monarchist is still a tactic today, used against an anti-government protest.

You cannot one day rant again the unconstitutional students protests and claim they wanted to overthrow the monarchy and are all thuggish Maoist and a Marxist and so on. And three pages later suddenly start to to say they are all innocent and take Samak as bogeyman who represents the evil force. It is to complex and pretty complicated and cannot be reduce into two lines of hate comment. this way you will repeatedly commit a fallacy after fallacy.

I don't want to defend Marxism or claim that Samak is a good guy.

But you cannot say October massacre=peaceful students vs.Samak=PPP=Red Shirts

or October massacre=communist/maoist revolt=Weng/Giles=Red Shirts

Put and keep the things in context or you are nothing else than a dishonest demagogue, telling half truths and lies.

[dobadoy]

Well, at a guess, the same reason he went into politics in the first place. It's not influence or money or power that drives these people once they've reached a certain level, its pure ego and the desire to be remembered by history, the 'legacy' and 'immortality' thing. Being the PM will do that for you, being the back-room boy won't.

That will probably come with Newin but right now onbly a fool would actually be PM. Look at Samak, Somchai, Abhisit. all wrecked. You can pull strings and play warwick and not get hurt at this point in time. The PM ship comes later as a reward for what you did imho. In power struggles the most powerful player left gets to decide what happens

Agreed, which is why I thought your comment 'watche Newin' was quite smart. Before this little shindig is settled, he will step up to the plate and be rewarded for it. He represents the only middle ground between the two sides. But obviously you had something else in mind. Gonna share or not?

I have nothing in mind but recognize he is:

1. a player

2. very powerful

3. Controls a great swathe of the Isaan and has reapeatedly outmanouvered the Isaan Pattan group which Khwancahi hails from up there

4. Has men who will follow him. He was instrumental in setting up the reds initially

5. Is feared by his oppnents

6. Willing to put his neck on th line when he sends people in

7. Not afraid of reds, sae daeng, thaksin or chavalit

8. Is a total royalist right now which gives him very powerful and unexpected allies

Which when you consider Thailand is not under law and order in the capital is all important, but I dont know more than the next man or woman

Cheers for the info. And I know your thai is much better than mine.

[Insight]

Well, at a guess, the same reason he went into politics in the first place. It's not influence or money or power that drives these people once they've reached a certain level, its pure ego and the desire to be remembered by history, the 'legacy' and 'immortality' thing. Being the PM will do that for you, being the back-room boy won't.

That will probably come with Newin but right now onbly a fool would actually be PM. Look at Samak, Somchai, Abhisit. all wrecked. You can pull strings and play warwick and not get hurt at this point in time. The PM ship comes later as a reward for what you did imho. In power struggles the most powerful player left gets to decide what happens

Agreed, which is why I thought your comment 'watche Newin' was quite smart. Before this little shindig is settled, he will step up to the plate and be rewarded for it. He represents the only middle ground between the two sides. But obviously you had something else in mind. Gonna share or not?

I have nothing in mind but recognize he is:

1. a player

2. very powerful

3. Controls a great swathe of the Isaan and has reapeatedly outmanouvered the Isaan Pattan group which Khwancahi hails from up there

4. Has men who will follow him. He was instrumental in setting up the reds initially

5. Is feared by his oppnents

6. Willing to put his neck on th line when he sends people in

7. Not afraid of reds, sae daeng, thaksin or chavalit

8. Is a total royalist right now which gives him very powerful and unexpected allies

Which when you consider Thailand is not under law and order in the capital is all important, but I dont know more than the next man or woman

Understood hammered, but this to me sounds like old power games. Abhisit has won the hearts of many of the past few weeks and he is as distant from the typical Isaan gangster character as you can get.

About time the country matured IMHO.

Edited April 30, 2010 by Insight

[hammered]

Understood hammered, but this to me sounds like old power games. Abhisit has won the hearts of many of the past few weeks and he is as distant from the typical Isaan gangster character as you can get.

No doubt things are different in the sticks but putting the country under the influence of somebody like Newin simply risks exposing everybody to what's going on here right now another time.

About time the country matured IMHO.

Abhisit will ned amiracle to survive all this. Even those who shoudl be his allies are critical and it purely a numbers game imho. Im not sying Newin will be th big man but wacth him. He is abetter player than most and very powerful

[shawndoc]

CNN report on hospital invasion:

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/world...?iref=allsearch

[elcent]

very interesting statements from DSI were just shown on TV. Doesn't look good for the red leaders, especially the Pattya branch.

At the end they are all together.

[KayT]

"Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva announced on TV Friday that the efforts by the government and the Centre for Resolution of Emergency Situation have progressed a lot."

Earth to Abhisit, earth to Abisit... you are in danger or crashing with Pluto, turn right, quick! Turn right!!!

I want to thank you so so much.After reading through the first 10 pages of mostly drivel I stumbled on your comment (which is still making me chuckle aloud) and I nearly burst my stitches.I have been in hospital myself for the last three weeks and was saddened to hear so many others had had their healing disturbed.

Yes a quick right turn is in 0rder.

Light and Love to all

[dobadoy]

Abhisit will ned amiracle to survive all this. Even those who shoudl be his allies are critical and it purely a numbers game imho. Im not sying Newin will be th big man but wacth him. He is abetter player than most and very powerful

Agreed. Even if he wins the battle he won't win the war. At the end of the day, there has to be reconciliation for the 'true believers' on both sides, and Abhisit can no more bring this country to a settled and lasting peace than Thaskin could. Personally, I hope he'll clear the path for someone who can finally bring Thaksin's long divisive legacy to an end. Maybe he can return to fulfil his 'promise' in better times much further down the road.

Edited April 30, 2010 by dobadoy

[lannarebirth]

That will probably come with Newin but right now onbly a fool would actually be PM. Look at Samak, Somchai, Abhisit. all wrecked. You can pull strings and play warwick and not get hurt at this point in time. The PM ship comes later as a reward for what you did imho. In power struggles the most powerful player left gets to decide what happens

Agreed, which is why I thought your comment 'watche Newin' was quite smart. Before this little shindig is settled, he will step up to the plate and be rewarded for it. He represents the only middle ground between the two sides. But obviously you had something else in mind. Gonna share or not?

I have nothing in mind but recognize he is:

1. a player

2. very powerful

3. Controls a great swathe of the Isaan and has reapeatedly outmanouvered the Isaan Pattan group which Khwancahi hails from up there

4. Has men who will follow him. He was instrumental in setting up the reds initially

5. Is feared by his oppnents

6. Willing to put his neck on th line when he sends people in

7. Not afraid of reds, sae daeng, thaksin or chavalit

8. Is a total royalist right now which gives him very powerful and unexpected allies

Which when you consider Thailand is not under law and order in the capital is all important, but I dont know more than the next man or woman

Understood hammered, but this to me sounds like old power games. Abhisit has won the hearts of many of the past few weeks and he is as distant from the typical Isaan gangster character as you can get.

About time the country matured IMHO.

Just as it is useful for Newin to garner respect in "polite" circles, it is useful for a by the book PM to have a dirty "go to guy" that isn't too closely tied to him. I think they continue to prop each other up until its clear to one of them they no longer need the other.

[elcent]

kudos and cheers go the DSI and police working on that cases.

chai-yo! chai-yo! chai-yo!

Thank you for bringing more light into this darkness.