Thai Troops Violate Law In Bangkok Action: Amnesty

[clockworkorange]

Abhisit is delusional, and on very thin ice. In his unabating preaching about restoring the rule of law, he has forgotten all about the rules of international law. You don't indiscriminately fire live ammo at unarmed civilians, and you don't declare city streets that are still inhabited by ciivilians as free fire zones.

Unless Abhisit realises the error of his ways, and sits down to talk serious compromise, he could end up joining the ranks of war criminals lined up for trial at the Hague.

You seemed like a chap with a brain, sorry to see that you're obviously not. Blaming Abhisit for the escalade is like blaming the shit that is stuck on your shoe.

As a leader of one of the sides to this conflict, Abhisit must of course take his share of the blame. The other side should also take blame. That said, declaring live fire zones and ordering troops to use live ammunition against protesters in the way that Abhsit has done, in an area inhabited by civilians, contravenes international law.

The two sides should both call a ceasefire, and come to an agreement using a third party arbiter if the distrust has reached a point where they can no longer talk to each other directly, which seems now to be the case.

What are the alternatives? A military crackdown? Everyone will come off worse, including Abhisit, who may well end up a war criminal if he continues to use the army to shoot protesters.

[clockworkorange]

You seemed like a chap with a brain, sorry to see that you're obviously not. Blaming Abhisit for the escalade is like blaming the shit that is stuck on your shoe.

As a leader of one of the sides to this conflict, Abhisit must of course take his share of the blame. The other side should also take blame. That said, declaring live fire zones and ordering troops to use live ammunition against protesters in the way that Abhsit has done, in an area inhabited by civilians, contravenes international law.

The two sides should both call a ceasefire, and come to an agreement using a third party arbiter if the distrust has reached a point where they can no longer talk to each other directly, which seems now to be the case.

What are the alternatives? A military crackdown? Everyone will come off worse, including Abhisit, who may well end up a war criminal if he continues to use the army to shoot protesters.

[clockworkorange]

You seemed like a chap with a brain, sorry to see that you're obviously not. Blaming Abhisit for the escalade is like blaming the shit that is stuck on your shoe.

As a leader of one of the sides to this conflict, Abhisit must of course take his share of the blame. The other side should also take blame. That said, declaring live fire zones and ordering troops to use live ammunition against protesters in the way that Abhsit has done, in an area inhabited by civilians, contravenes international law.

The two sides should both call a ceasefire, and come to an agreement using a third party arbiter if the distrust has reached a point where they can no longer talk to each other directly, which seems now to be the case.

What are the alternatives? A military crackdown? Everyone will come off worse, including Abhisit, who may well end up a war criminal if he continues to use the army to shoot protesters.

[earthpig]

Dear Amnesty International,

i doubt that no one has posted more on this site in favor of a general amnesty now in thailand than i have. So kindly consider when i ask you to lay off Thailand, at least publicly.

You are correct in fact when you state that "Eyewitness accounts and video recordings show clearly that the military is firing live rounds at unarmed people who pose no threat whatsoever to the soldiers or to others" I have posted video on YouTube showing just this truth.

But there are other sides to this story, and that is what your organization has little interest in. You are not interested in Thailand per se; you are interested in promoting a left wing agenda in the West and your actions in Thailand and similar situations reflect not what is good for that country, but your agenda back home.

Your crusade against the Thai Army is wrong, just as your knee jerk support of the Reds is wrong. You comment about that which you do not wish to understand, and are not interested in helping.

These are complex problems which require knowledge and compassion of and for the Thai people and no other agenda. Your organization is a further polarizing element in an already difficult situation.

If your aim was really to help rather than to collect donations thru publicity stunts, you would use whatever influence you think you have to promote an offer of general amnesty to all parties except Thaksin himself. And you would do so quietly behind the scenes; not grandstanding to your own benefit.

We westerners who know you will watch you very carefully, Amnesty. Do the right thing.

And if your reading this, thank you.

[Just1Voice]

STEVE - You're wasting your time, and energy, on people who have eyes, but can not see, ears, but can not hear. They simply can't grasp the concept that while you, and others, are not necessarily "defending" the Reds, but only pointing out the internationally recognized conduct for governments and their appropriate responses is being willfully violated by Thailand. Earlier someone posted a video to show the "violence" of the reds. Yes, the stopped an Army truck, yes, they attacked the soldiers, and then there was a gun shot. Accidental or deliberate is never made clear. But what I then see are protesters picking up this wounded soldier and carrying him to an ambulance. If they (Reds) are so violently evil, as some seem to think, wouldn't it have made more sense for them to just leave him laying in the street instead of trying to get him to an ambulance and medical help?

[Diablo Bob]

Two guys go into a mini-mart. One has a gun, and kills the cashier. Per U.S. law, both robbers are charged with murder in the first degree.

Participating in a criminal act along with others who are armed is legally equal to being armed. The responsibility for injuries and death inflicted are shared equally by all who participate.

And the U.S. Law System let O.J. Simpson off the hook!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Correction: A jury of California liberals found him not guilty of California law.

Subsequently rectified by a jury of consrevative Nevadans, who found him guilty of un-related offences and threw him in jail where he belonged in the first place.

Better late than never........

Edited May 18, 2010 by Diablo Bob

[Diablo Bob]

Two guys go into a mini-mart. One has a gun, and kills the cashier. Per U.S. law, both robbers are charged with murder in the first degree.

Participating in a criminal act along with others who are armed is legally equal to being armed. The responsibility for injuries and death inflicted are shared equally by all who participate.

And the U.S. Law System let O.J. Simpson off the hook!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Correction: A jury of California liberals found him not guilty of California law.

Subsequently rectified by a jury of consrevative Nevadans, who found him guilty of un-related offences and threw him injail where he belonged in the first place.

Better late than never........

[Just1Voice]

STEVE - You're wasting your time, and energy, on people who have eyes, but can not see, ears, but can not hear. They simply can't grasp the concept that while you, and others, are not necessarily "defending" the Reds, but only pointing out the internationally recognized conduct for governments and their appropriate responses is being willfully violated by Thailand. Earlier someone posted a video to show the "violence" of the reds. Yes, the stopped an Army truck, yes, they attacked the soldiers, and then there was a gun shot. Accidental or deliberate is never made clear. But what I then see are protesters picking up this wounded soldier and carrying him to an ambulance. If they (Reds) are so violently evil, as some seem to think, wouldn't it have made more sense for them to just leave him laying in the street instead of trying to get him to an ambulance and medical help?

[mausplan]

StevieH

I don't see the word SOME in the press statement above. I dont see even a hint of "some"

Amnesty said

"Eyewitness accounts and video recordings show clearly that the military is firing live rounds at unarmed people who pose no threat whatsoever to the soldiers or to others," said Amnesty's Thailand specialist Benjamin Zawacki.

" Amnesty accused army snipers of killing two medics wearing white medical uniforms as well as a 17-year-old boy."

It is a distorted piece , made worse by the fact that they have an office here in Lad Pro and a "specialist" . He might comment on the video I posted for starters. In that incident there were 3 soldiers hauled off, where are they and where is the body ?

[mausplan]

StevieH

I don't see the word SOME in the press statement above. I dont see even a hint of "some"

Amnesty said

"Eyewitness accounts and video recordings show clearly that the military is firing live rounds at unarmed people who pose no threat whatsoever to the soldiers or to others," said Amnesty's Thailand specialist Benjamin Zawacki.

" Amnesty accused army snipers of killing two medics wearing white medical uniforms as well as a 17-year-old boy."

It is a distorted piece , made worse by the fact that they have an office here in Lad Pro and a "specialist" . He might comment on the video I posted for starters. In that incident there were 3 soldiers hauled off, where are they and where is the body ?

[A_Traveller]

Abhisit is delusional, and on very thin ice. In his unabating preaching about restoring the rule of law, he has forgotten all about the rules of international law. You don't indiscriminately fire live ammo at unarmed civilians, and you don't declare city streets that are still inhabited by ciivilians as free fire zones.

Unless Abhisit realises the error of his ways, and sits down to talk serious compromise, he could end up joining the ranks of war criminals lined up for trial at the Hague.

If anyone is suffering from delusions, it is you. To be clear, despite AI's comments the actions of the security forces are, as far as can be judged at this stage within the parameters set by the emergency provisions in place. It has already been made clear that there will be investigations of the shootings to endeavour to establish the realities.

You may bleat that such actions will lead to naught, but this is still a country where one does not have to live in fear of the 4 o'clock in the morning knock on the door from the 'authorities'. Thailand has a level of safeguards which protect the citizen. I have lived in places where not only do they not exist, but the Ludovico technique would be welcomed.

This is not to minimise the tragedy of any life cut short, but to suggest that the actions of the last few days compare to say, those on the Mehmed-pasa Sokolovic Bridge is bordering on the obscene.

Regards

[tigerbalm]

The London-based rights group need to get their own country in order first!!

Cant see any body picking them of with snipers though

[pontius]

STEVE - You're wasting your time, and energy, on people who have eyes, but can not see, ears, but can not hear. They simply can't grasp the concept that while you, and others, are not necessarily "defending" the Reds, but only pointing out the internationally recognized conduct for governments and their appropriate responses is being willfully violated by Thailand. Earlier someone posted a video to show the "violence" of the reds. Yes, the stopped an Army truck, yes, they attacked the soldiers, and then there was a gun shot. Accidental or deliberate is never made clear. But what I then see are protesters picking up this wounded soldier and carrying him to an ambulance. If they (Reds) are so violently evil, as some seem to think, wouldn't it have made more sense for them to just leave him laying in the street instead of trying to get him to an ambulance and medical help?

Oh dear, I was going to make an ass out of you, but you finished the job before even giving me a chance.

[ratcatcher]

SUPPORT OUR TROOPS.

Maybe we will see more of these.

[agord]

good grief, are people incapable of reading a statement properly on here? amnesty international is not saying that nobody in the red camp is armed. it is saying that SOME of the people in there, specifically women and children, are unarmed and are being fired at with live rounds by a nation state's army. that is a violation of human rights, whether they are in the red camp by choice or not.

Well Stevie boy you and amnesty intl both have it wrong as no women and children "inside" the camp are being shot at. Armed reds coming out to engage the military in the live fire zone are being fired at and rightly so. SOme dickweed in London needs to get a clue.

[TheOldWolf]

Dear Amnesty International,

i doubt that no one has posted more on this site in favor of a general amnesty now in thailand than i have. So kindly consider when i ask you to lay off Thailand, at least publicly.

You are correct in fact when you state that "Eyewitness accounts and video recordings show clearly that the military is firing live rounds at unarmed people who pose no threat whatsoever to the soldiers or to others" I have posted video on YouTube showing just this truth.

But there are other sides to this story, and that is what your organization has little interest in. You are not interested in Thailand per se; you are interested in promoting a left wing agenda in the West and your actions in Thailand and similar situations reflect not what is good for that country, but your agenda back home.

Your crusade against the Thai Army is wrong, just as your knee jerk support of the Reds is wrong. You comment about that which you do not wish to understand, and are not interested in helping.

These are complex problems which require knowledge and compassion of and for the Thai people and no other agenda. Your organization is a further polarizing element in an already difficult situation.

If your aim was really to help rather than to collect donations thru publicity stunts, you would use whatever influence you think you have to promote an offer of general amnesty to all parties except Thaksin himself. And you would do so quietly behind the scenes; not grandstanding to your own benefit.

We westerners who know you will watch you very carefully, Amnesty. Do the right thing.

And if your reading this, thank you.

This is a good post from you Mr Pig, although I don´t agree with everything you write. This report is to one eyed to do anything good, by only blaming one side for what happens right now. when you write: "Your organization is a further polarizing element in an alreday difficult situation", I thin you hit the spot.

[CHdiver]

Maybe Amnesty International should have a look at this photo too ...... shows what quality the Red Shirts represent.

Child armed and in Fantasy Uniform

[IADR]

The army are violating human rights.... what about the Reds who are violating the rights of the public who wish to earn a living in the areas they have shut down for 2 months or the public who wish to visit these areas, less the tourists who wish to stay in hotels free from the worry of being shot. Put simply, if the Reds were not there, would this be going on? How come AI have not mentioned this?

I agree the Reds have the right to protest, but they do not have the right to disrupt other peoples' lives, do they Perhaps if reported the full story, organisations such as AI may be in a better to pass judgement?

ok, again slowly for the kids at the back - it is because the redshirt protestors / agitators / anarchists are not an elected nation state government which is bound by international human rights laws.

of course what the reds are doing is wrong and in breach of thai law - however what the elected thai government is doing in response is in breach of international human right's laws and is a different issue.

StevieH

If you were the PM, what would you now be doing to solve this ongoing problem? Talk to the Reds? Offer an election and get your deputy PM to report to the DSI as requested and then be told that this is not good enough, do something else........ The Reds have been warned numerous times to vacate the protest sites and that force will be used. They originally used rubber bullets (according to their reports) and were repelled by Molotov cocktails, grenades and real bullets. Should they have just accepted this and continued to advance? Would you have?

I fully understand what AI is saying and agree that the army should not harm innocent protesters, but are they as innocent as they portray?

[agord]

STEVE - You're wasting your time, and energy, on people who have eyes, but can not see, ears, but can not hear. They simply can't grasp the concept that while you, and others, are not necessarily "defending" the Reds, but only pointing out the internationally recognized conduct for governments and their appropriate responses is being willfully violated by Thailand. Earlier someone posted a video to show the "violence" of the reds. Yes, the stopped an Army truck, yes, they attacked the soldiers, and then there was a gun shot. Accidental or deliberate is never made clear. But what I then see are protesters picking up this wounded soldier and carrying him to an ambulance. If they (Reds) are so violently evil, as some seem to think, wouldn't it have made more sense for them to just leave him laying in the street instead of trying to get him to an ambulance and medical help?

Oh dear, I was going to make an ass out of you, but you finished the job before even giving me a chance.

yes a gun from an unarmed red accidentally went off when they were not beating on the soldiers in the truck. Yeah they are not so bad see how they care for the man they shot after they shot him??????????? and the baby wasn't a human shield his dad was doing a good thing teaching him to be polite to the soldiers by waving at them see.

[Markaew]

Like it or not this is the beginning of the Reds getting what they want. 3rd party intervention and new elections.

[ScouseTommy]

You know what, Amnesty do some very good work- However this press release is nuts. They need to seriously wind there necks in. Even the leftist press are reporting live that the thai army are only using suppression fire to keep the reds contained. Yes there are casualties, and that is very sad. But if the Thai army actually tried to shoot to kill i think you'd find hundreds if not a thousand reds dead. The current casualty figures alone PROVE the army arent topping people willy nilly!!!!

Nonsense press release imho

[pontius]

STEVE - You're wasting your time, and energy, on people who have eyes, but can not see, ears, but can not hear. They simply can't grasp the concept that while you, and others, are not necessarily "defending" the Reds, but only pointing out the internationally recognized conduct for governments and their appropriate responses is being willfully violated by Thailand. Earlier someone posted a video to show the "violence" of the reds. Yes, the stopped an Army truck, yes, they attacked the soldiers, and then there was a gun shot. Accidental or deliberate is never made clear. But what I then see are protesters picking up this wounded soldier and carrying him to an ambulance. If they (Reds) are so violently evil, as some seem to think, wouldn't it have made more sense for them to just leave him laying in the street instead of trying to get him to an ambulance and medical help?

Oh dear, I was going to make an ass out of you, but you finished the job before even giving me a chance.

yes a gun from an unarmed red accidentally went off when they were not beating on the soldiers in the truck. Yeah they are not so bad see how they care for the man they shot after they shot him??????????? and the baby wasn't a human shield his dad was doing a good thing teaching him to be polite to the soldiers by waving at them see.

Just wait and see, the redtards will soon claim that the soldier shot himself because he saw the light and understood being all wrong. But they, the godly reds, in their awesome and humble dignity, tried to save his life.

There is dumb, the reds, and then there's dumber, the red defenders. They had a win, the early elections in their pocket and came up with the most idiotic excuse imaginable to continue shitting all over the place.

Good luck in convincing me that the thugs and scum burning Bangkok are holy and shouldn't be shot.

[Markaew]

You know what, Amnesty do some very good work- However this press release is nuts. They need to seriously wind there necks in. Even the leftist press are reporting live that the thai army are only using suppression fire to keep the reds contained. Yes there are casualties, and that is very sad. But if the Thai army actually tried to shoot to kill i think you'd find hundreds if not a thousand reds dead. The current casualty figures alone PROVE the army arent topping people willy nilly!!!!

Nonsense press release imho

The problem with your statement is your are assuming that the army is competent and you are assuming that all the army is loyal. I believe there are only few following orders which include the the snipers.

[yoshiwara]

Abhisit is delusional, and on very thin ice. In his unabating preaching about restoring the rule of law, he has forgotten all about the rules of international law. You don't indiscriminately fire live ammo at unarmed civilians, and you don't declare city streets that are still inhabited by ciivilians as free fire zones.

Unless Abhisit realises the error of his ways, and sits down to talk serious compromise, he could end up joining the ranks of war criminals lined up for trial at the Hague.

That's your story Droog.

As unarmed as the thugs in Clockwork Orange who you are modelled on.

[phosphorescent]

A man walks into a doctors office, Contorts his arm in a strange way and says,"Doctor, It hurts when I do this". The doctor looks at him and says, "Well, Dont do that!"

If you are shot in a 'LIVE FIRE ZONE', The only thing to say is, "som nom naa".

Amnesty international's letter should be addressed to the unfit parents who put their own childrens lives in danger by willingly bringing them into a virtual war zone.

[neverdie]

Dear Amnesty International,

i doubt that no one has posted more on this site in favor of a general amnesty now in thailand than i have. So kindly consider when i ask you to lay off Thailand, at least publicly.

You are correct in fact when you state that "Eyewitness accounts and video recordings show clearly that the military is firing live rounds at unarmed people who pose no threat whatsoever to the soldiers or to others" I have posted video on YouTube showing just this truth.

But there are other sides to this story, and that is what your organization has little interest in. You are not interested in Thailand per se; you are interested in promoting a left wing agenda in the West and your actions in Thailand and similar situations reflect not what is good for that country, but your agenda back home.

Your crusade against the Thai Army is wrong, just as your knee jerk support of the Reds is wrong. You comment about that which you do not wish to understand, and are not interested in helping.

These are complex problems which require knowledge and compassion of and for the Thai people and no other agenda. Your organization is a further polarizing element in an already difficult situation.

If your aim was really to help rather than to collect donations thru publicity stunts, you would use whatever influence you think you have to promote an offer of general amnesty to all parties except Thaksin himself. And you would do so quietly behind the scenes; not grandstanding to your own benefit.

We westerners who know you will watch you very carefully, Amnesty. Do the right thing.

And if your reading this, thank you.

This is a good post from you Mr Pig, although I don´t agree with everything you write. This report is to one eyed to do anything good, by only blaming one side for what happens right now. when you write: "Your organization is a further polarizing element in an alreday difficult situation", I thin you hit the spot.

Agreed. You've pulled a rabbit out of you're hat little pig, Well Done!

Shamnesty, Shamnesty, Shamnesty, surely you can do better than this.

[KayT]

The Red Shirts are breaching basic human rights.The right to work,to live in a safe place. The right to move in your own neighbourhood.

Please lets get this in perspective AI.

Thank you

[My Friend Same]

Amnesty is unbelieveable, if this was happening in their holy homeland, then all means possible would be accepted to protect their land, gunning down of arabs would be accepted and blamed on the holocaust. now they come to other people's countries and tell them how to run their countries. It's all a matter of supporting all of those low educated people that they can control in ALL countries. Master plan to rule the world. I puke in many buckets. Please allow to me to empty them for refilling.

Edited May 18, 2010 by My Friend Same

[carbine1125]

I just emailed these people with the link showing the execution of the army truck driver on May 14 at Din Daeng

so far all 36 shot are civilians, no any military.

Let's

the guy on the picture might have been only injured, wounded, knock down or passed out, there is no blood on his uniform

Let's start by stop calling those red thugs civilians as they are far fom it! This is a war zone at the moment thus no place for children or women. If they choose to stay let them face the outcome

[ScouseTommy]

Markaew, i agree with you. Conscripts are never competent. However they are trained to shoot. They have magazines full of 5.56mm rounds. Do you honestly think if the army wanted to just kill reds the casualty figures would be what they are???? I dont believe that, they would be much higher. Having fought against conscripted soldiers myself, they are not great in combat, they often run away or change loyalties, but they can and do shoot, and they do it quite accurately. The snipers however are a different breed. They are deadly and the only use for a sniper is to kill a designated target. But it is USUALLY designated, not random. A sniper is very highly trained even in the Thai army. So again obviously imo one took out the general, but hey the man was a wanted criminal, who allegedly ran the black shirts! I have no problem with targets, as they are unlikely to be INNOCENT or WOMEN or CHILDREN. I'd again put it to you that if the Thai's wanted to take out as many reds as possible (just using the snipers) the body count would far exceed what we have seen up to now? Sorry if i'm rambling a bit, i hate seeing anyone killed to be honest, but do you see where i am coming from?