Bangkok: Central World Shopping Mall Destroyed By Fire

[rixalex]

You have a theory LaoPo. Don't confuse that for having facts. Maybe your theory is correct, maybe it is not. Frankly, nobody gives a sh1t about all this, besides yourself. Can you not find something in your life a little less trivial to be worrying about...

If nobody gives a sh_t, why are there (ex)members awarding others with stars and degrading others ? It's really pathetic to see that some (ex)member are messing around with those stars, meant to award certain members with substantial and non-biased contributions but no, now new "members" are already awarded with a star THE SAME DAY THEY BECAME A MEMBER. How sick.

Let's hope they can get rid of the star system and everyone is judged on his/her own contributions without stars; you don't need stars for that. Most members do know who is who...

Don't worry about my life, I'm not so obsessed as many others on this board; watch your own health instead worrying about me

LaoPo

How sick?!!!! Deary me. Perspective please!!!

As i've told you before, if your theory has any truth to it, showing your annoyance and irritation to those who you accuse is surely counter-productive and serving to simply spur on the culprits further in their dastardly deeds.

Anyway, it's your riviting life... please carry on getting upset by triviality if it so pleases...

[DP25]

Here's somebody predicting it a few days earlier:

I'm lost for words too.

I wonder which red shirt posters here that was

[Insight]

Wow, what an idiot. He will probably get a permanent visa extension for Thailand. But that video strengthens my belief that most if not all of the rioting, burning and damages were done by "wanna-be-red-shirts" that attached themselves to the movement instead of the peaceful supporters that sat there for weeks and months listening to the speeches.

yeap definite the high quality british tourist we all like so much (has the football season in the UK ended already?)

May I dare use the word "fake red"?

Use it all you want. I've already made my mind up about you.

Edit - even more of those pesky "fake red" folk here:

Edited May 20, 2010 by Insight

[TPI]

In my opinion, most of these posts are knee-jerk, idiotic responses to what seems to be face-value information. The darkest parts of human nature are exemplified here in these posts. It staggers the imagination. There are really some sick foreigners here; people who take such ghoulish delight in the Thai troubles that are going on as if it were some sort of blood-letting sporting event.

The largest mall in SEA is burned. Of course the red-shirts are blamed. Who else would the mercenary media blame? It is almost as controversial as the 9/11 truth movement. How does a building so massive and sprawling get invaded by farmers with enough accelerant to get it burning out of control - fast enough, so that the fire department cannot respond in enough time to put it out? I wonder if the owners of this mall are friends of Larry Silverstien? Those are a lot of Bahts to be collected in the insurance claim, after all.

How is it that I cannot go anywhere in Thailand at all without there being a Thai behind a bush, in a tree, peeking through a window, etc. and gawping at me, and yet there was mysteriously no one around to witness this event transpiring? Practically every Thai I know has a mobile phone skin grafted to their hand. You mean to tell me no one phoned in any suspicious activity in a Mall that was vacant, unsecured, and apparently ripe for the pickings and a tinder-box waiting to go up to boot?

I seriously doubt that most red-shirt Thais wake up every morning these past few weeks with the mindful intent to burn, pillage and kill; much less in an organized effort that could avoid detection as seamlessly as this operation demonstrated. This is simply too obvious, and the propaganda and idiotic, callous responses do not go unnoticed, along with the fleeting, spectacular demonstrations of intelligence and tactical ops by a bunch of - how do you critics say it - backwoods, greedy country-bumpkins.

Feel better? The insurance policy will not cover riot or civil disturbance...it's the share holders and the battling stall holders ( you know, the fabously wealthy mobile phone sellers etc) and the customers who will pay.

If you expect to see internationally recognised standards of fire protection in a Thai building you have definately forgotten your medicine!

They've had 4 years to plan....not a bad job of it really!

[kaengk]

Any word on whether they've caught the Abhisit government official who ordered the water shut off in the Rajaprasong area prior to the army crackdown. What an imbecile, rendering a first-class fire suppression sprinkler system useless!

[Insight]

Any word on whether they've caught the Abhisit government official who ordered the water shut off in the Rajaprasong area prior to the army crackdown. What an imbecile, rendering a first-class fire suppression sprinkler system useless!

I reckon the sniper's done a better job personally.

Doubt if the sprinkler system would of worked anyhow; surely the reds would of disabled it in order to see the plan through.

[kaengk]

Any word on whether they've caught the Abhisit government official who ordered the water shut off in the Rajaprasong area prior to the army crackdown. What an imbecile, rendering a first-class fire suppression sprinkler system useless!

I reckon the sniper's done a better job personally.

Doubt if the sprinkler system would of worked anyhow; surely the reds would of disabled it in order to see the plan through.

Very lame on the part of the Army and govt. Everyone expected fires during and after the military rampage and yet not a fire truck in sight!

[viking75]

Any word on whether they've caught the Abhisit government official who ordered the water shut off in the Rajaprasong area prior to the army crackdown. What an imbecile, rendering a first-class fire suppression sprinkler system useless!

I reckon the sniper's done a better job personally.

Doubt if the sprinkler system would of worked anyhow; surely the reds would of disabled it in order to see the plan through.

Very lame on the part of the Army and govt. Everyone expected fires during and after the military rampage and yet not a fire truck in sight!

Is because many different people try to be the one to end protest and get the favour of elite masters.

no cooperate because some body might get job of elite puppy first.

beginning of end of reign for old elites and only can try to get new young ones to prop up 1000 year reich of theirs. this why see many different small men look chinese on TV all time.

Central will be ghost town for years because too many angry reds in country and people know that central is pad and gov backer. same Bangkok Bank, who going to want to go in open account now? I know many in Isaan going to stop use them so Bangkok Bank going to take hit..

at some time, will some elites have to make deal with Thaksin to come back and try to keep their old dying snouts in trough !

Edited May 20, 2010 by viking75

[viking75]

Some photos that probably haven't been seen a lot yet:

The result of a days killing by a country under control of army barbarian.

[saintofsilence]

Wow, what an idiot. He will probably get a permanent visa extension for Thailand. But that video strengthens my belief that most if not all of the rioting, burning and damages were done by "wanna-be-red-shirts" that attached themselves to the movement instead of the peaceful supporters that sat there for weeks and months listening to the speeches.

He reminds me of a couple of people on this forum

[Insight]

Bloody h3ll, you boys are doing overtime today. It's almost as if the image of an organisation is in complete disrepute and desperate measures are needed to save it...

Anyway, for your viewing pleasure, some of the difficulties encountered by the fire teams sent to put out the fires:

[saintofsilence]

Here's somebody predicting it a few days earlier:

I'm lost for words too.

Anyone here know that idiot? I'm sure there are plenty of people that would like 5 minutes alone with him.

Thanks for posting and agreed, totally left speechless by this guy.

Here's a screen capture shot of the offender:

What a wanke_r

[scotbeve]

He seemed as real as the rest of the reds there. If he's so clearly fake and against what they stand for why does he blend right in with the other guys you see wearing black, sporting their UDD bandannas and brandishing weapons? Why is not a single real red shirt calling them out? Saying 'we don't approve of this' is not what I mean. No one has openly denounced them or claimed that they don't belong to the movement, because they clearly do. This isn't some disapproved part of the organization. This is a well equipped, well organized wing of the UDD that knows exactly how to recruit and who to recruit. They're also well funded enough to arm them. This didn't just fall from the sky onto the 'poor red shirt movement'. This was planned. I agree that this guy looks like a repeat offender. A no-life who thrives on the suffering of others. I think he would be a perfect recruit for any extremist paramilitary organization. Back home he could well just be some neo-nazi.

He blends right in because anyone can wear a black shirt. And the black shirts with the UDD logo are available for anyone to buy, just like the bandannas and the wooden stick or knife also doesn't mean anything. Sure there are armed UDD members, but how involved were they with the core of the UDD leadership? We don't know. There are a lot of Mafia groups in Bangkok who are just waiting for the opportunity to create chaos. Take the Narcotics Suppression Center burned down, for example. There is 0% interest of the red shirt movement to burn down that building. The only interest in that is from the Mafia groups that sell drugs.

No doubt that many took advantage of the state of chaos last night, these kind of things snowball even in our 'democratic, fair and just' home countries. However, the initial blazes were carried out with such accuracy and there is so much evidence out there pointing at the red shirts (numerous videos of leaders listing locations that were burned, red shirts at the scene of the fire, cheering, annoying white guy with stick claiming to know what will happen, etc) that this is either painfully obvious or a gigantic conspiracy theory. So far, I see very little evidence for any conspiracy and a lot of evidence that points to red shirt terrorism. If I can be shown evidence otherwise I will change my mind accordingly, but not until then, though I believe that I have quite thoroughly looked at all angles of this debacle, having been a little sympathetic to the red shirt cause initially myself.

And do what concrete evidence (albeit little) do you have to enlighten us to your firm conclusion(s)? People with power can be awfully evil and very clever. Re: a comment about 911

[toenail]

Wow, what an idiot. He will probably get a permanent visa extension for Thailand. But that video strengthens my belief that most if not all of the rioting, burning and damages were done by "wanna-be-red-shirts" that attached themselves to the movement instead of the peaceful supporters that sat there for weeks and months listening to the speeches.

yeap definite the high quality british tourist we all like so much (has the football season in the UK ended already?)

**************

I am always amazed how foreigners will get actively with a "political cause" overseas when they are too lazy to get involved with an issue in their own country (because they know their arse would be in the ringer.) Same with "Christian missionaries"- why do they have to go overseas? There is plenty of help they can give in the poor districts in their own country.

[toenail]

Here's somebody predicting it a few days earlier:

I'm lost for words too.

Anyone here know that idiot? I'm sure there are plenty of people that would like 5 minutes alone with him.

Thanks for posting and agreed, totally left speechless by this guy.

Here's a screen capture shot of the offender:

What a wanke_r

BORN LOSER

GO HOME TO ENGLAND AND BECOME A RENEGADE THERE

[lilkitty]

This photo in particular is the most concerning to me. I asked one of my Thai friends if he knew anything more about it. And it seems these are not the "fake monks" that everyone has been talking about, but the actual monks of the temple that is near the protest site at Rajprasong. Apparently when the army came in, they were rounded up, thrown to the floor and cuffed until it could be determined that they were real monks. I saw another photo of them somewhere yesterday from a Thai newspaper, laying on the floor with their eyes blindfolded in front of the soldiers' feet. If you understand a little about Thai culture and the respect for monks, especially them laying at the feet of soldiers, I believe you understand where my concerns come from. I'll try and find the other photo again, as well.

[Insight]

^ From what I hear the reputation of monks right now is in severe disrepute.

Wasn't one caught on camera doing the hospital raid?

[dttk0009]

This photo in particular is the most concerning to me. I asked one of my Thai friends if he knew anything more about it. And it seems these are not the "fake monks" that everyone has been talking about, but the actual monks of the temple that is near the protest site at Rajprasong. Apparently when the army came in, they were rounded up, thrown to the floor and cuffed until it could be determined that they were real monks. I saw another photo of them somewhere yesterday from a Thai newspaper, laying on the floor with their eyes blindfolded in front of the soldiers' feet. If you understand a little about Thai culture and the respect for monks, especially them laying at the feet of soldiers, I believe you understand where my concerns come from. I'll try and find the other photo again, as well.

If you understand that red shirts were disguising themselves as monks as a way to conceal weapons and potentially explosives, you would completely understand why these measures had to be taken, especially in a sanctuary for non-combatants. The military is not to blame, the red shirts who dressed themselves up as monks are. If you want to point a finger and talk about a disgusting act in Thai culture, you should go there first. Soldiers were trying to make sure that no one in there would get injured and the red shirts STILL managed to presumably wreak havoc on innocent bystanders there. It goes to show how determined they are and how low they are willing to sink to achieve their goals.

[lilkitty]

^ From what I hear the reputation of monks right now is in severe disrepute.

Wasn't one caught on camera doing the hospital raid?

I don't know about that. But religion and something else are usually the top 2 priorities of any Thai. They seem to lose respect for their religion, and of the other thing surprisingly we haven't even heard a beep.

[jcbangkok]

This photo in particular is the most concerning to me. I asked one of my Thai friends if he knew anything more about it. And it seems these are not the "fake monks" that everyone has been talking about, but the actual monks of the temple that is near the protest site at Rajprasong. Apparently when the army came in, they were rounded up, thrown to the floor and cuffed until it could be determined that they were real monks. I saw another photo of them somewhere yesterday from a Thai newspaper, laying on the floor with their eyes blindfolded in front of the soldiers' feet. If you understand a little about Thai culture and the respect for monks, especially them laying at the feet of soldiers, I believe you understand where my concerns come from. I'll try and find the other photo again, as well.

Regardless, they were breaking the law.

But be honest lilkitty, is this you dressed in black in this video?

Edited May 20, 2010 by jcbangkok

[lilkitty]

This photo in particular is the most concerning to me. I asked one of my Thai friends if he knew anything more about it. And it seems these are not the "fake monks" that everyone has been talking about, but the actual monks of the temple that is near the protest site at Rajprasong. Apparently when the army came in, they were rounded up, thrown to the floor and cuffed until it could be determined that they were real monks. I saw another photo of them somewhere yesterday from a Thai newspaper, laying on the floor with their eyes blindfolded in front of the soldiers' feet. If you understand a little about Thai culture and the respect for monks, especially them laying at the feet of soldiers, I believe you understand where my concerns come from. I'll try and find the other photo again, as well.

Regardless, they were breaking the law.

But be honest lilkitty, is this you dressed in black in this video?

Can't stop with the silly accusations, huh? If you look at the video, I was posting on ThaiVisa when it was taken. Must have been you.

[jcbangkok]

^ From what I hear the reputation of monks right now is in severe disrepute.

Wasn't one caught on camera doing the hospital raid?

I don't know about that. But religion and something else are usually the top 2 priorities of any Thai. They seem to lose respect for their religion, and of the other thing surprisingly we haven't even heard a beep.

If these Monks are breaking the law and breaking the rules of the Monk then it is sad "they seem to lose respect for their religion"

but I will wait for official reports before believing your friend, lol

[lilkitty]

This photo in particular is the most concerning to me. I asked one of my Thai friends if he knew anything more about it. And it seems these are not the "fake monks" that everyone has been talking about, but the actual monks of the temple that is near the protest site at Rajprasong. Apparently when the army came in, they were rounded up, thrown to the floor and cuffed until it could be determined that they were real monks. I saw another photo of them somewhere yesterday from a Thai newspaper, laying on the floor with their eyes blindfolded in front of the soldiers' feet. If you understand a little about Thai culture and the respect for monks, especially them laying at the feet of soldiers, I believe you understand where my concerns come from. I'll try and find the other photo again, as well.

Regardless, they were breaking the law.

Are you sure they were breaking the law? After all, they were in their temple. And from what I've seen they were sheltering women and children inside the temple and saving their lives.

[lilkitty]

^ From what I hear the reputation of monks right now is in severe disrepute.

Wasn't one caught on camera doing the hospital raid?

I don't know about that. But religion and something else are usually the top 2 priorities of any Thai. They seem to lose respect for their religion, and of the other thing surprisingly we haven't even heard a beep.

If these Monks are breaking the law and breaking the rules of the Monk then it is sad "they seem to lose respect for their religion"

but I will wait for official reports before believing your friend, lol

You probably won't ever seen an official report on this. It'll get sweeped under the carpet. Remember the Rohingya incident, when the army pulled boats full of refugees onto the open ocean without food, water or gas? Abhisit promised an investigation on that. We never heard anything about it anymore since. It's in the UN Human Rights Watch report on Thailand if you want to know more about it.

[jcbangkok]

This is really a great article and worth the read if you want to understand Red Tactics ...

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Southeast_Asia/LE13Ae01.html

[jcbangkok]

Abhisit is unquestionably an honest leader and I believe he is on the path to proving himself to become one of the greatest PM's Thailand has ever had.

Edit: I am so looking forward to his getting a chance to make that trip to the US and allow him and Obama to get together. I have no doubt they are going to hit it off great and we are going to see an ever stronger relationship between the two countries.

Edited May 20, 2010 by jcbangkok

[jcbangkok]

This photo in particular is the most concerning to me. I asked one of my Thai friends if he knew anything more about it. And it seems these are not the "fake monks" that everyone has been talking about, but the actual monks of the temple that is near the protest site at Rajprasong. Apparently when the army came in, they were rounded up, thrown to the floor and cuffed until it could be determined that they were real monks. I saw another photo of them somewhere yesterday from a Thai newspaper, laying on the floor with their eyes blindfolded in front of the soldiers' feet. If you understand a little about Thai culture and the respect for monks, especially them laying at the feet of soldiers, I believe you understand where my concerns come from. I'll try and find the other photo again, as well.

Regardless, they were breaking the law.

Are you sure they were breaking the law? After all, they were in their temple. And from what I've seen they were sheltering women and children inside the temple and saving their lives.

Yes, 100% as I have full confidence that authorities are not arresting Monks without cause just as they were not targeting reporters with snipers ... neither would serve any purpose and would only hurt their cause.

Oh, and beyond your friend ... any link to prove your statement they were taken from the Temple?

[JAG]

Anyone here know that idiot? I'm sure there are plenty of people that would like 5 minutes alone with him.

Thanks for posting and agreed, totally left speechless by this guy.

Here's a screen capture shot of the offender:

GO HOME TO ENGLAND AND BECOME A RENEGADE THERE

Judging by his accent I think he is from Australian or New Zealand. However, with this Video the immigration people should be able to pick him up, I hope. Maybe the Aus or NZ embassy would be interested in him as well. Of course many many working class Thais will be out of a job because of the torching of Central World. I don't suppose he cares, his sort never do. Bastard.

Edited May 20, 2010 by JAG

[ProzacDragon]

Abhisit is unquestionably an honest leader and I believe he is on the path to proving himself to become one of the greatest PM's Thailand has ever had.

Edit: I am so looking forward to his getting a chance to make that trip to the US and allow him and Obama to get together. I have no doubt they are going to hit it off great and we are going to see an ever stronger relationship between the two countries.

Nuthugging at its finest. Wipe your chin mate....

[JetsetBkk]

I think the reds are basically peacefull, but Abhisit always changes his mind saying I will desolve parliament and organise elections, the putting all this on hold!

How can anyone trust him?

I would get violent too

Abhisit has to resign if he wants peace back in Thailand!

You are a total fool. Educate yourself. Open your eyes. Understand what is around you then come back to this forum.

Is that the best you can do, flame because you disagree with him? Maybe you are the one that needs educating - get out in the country, visit the real poor, listen to what they say and then you come back to this forum.