Thai PM Abhisit Under Fire Over Deadly Crackdown

[rubl]

The word on the street is around 500 were killed not 88.

Regarding Abhisit I think the only way reconciliation will take place is without him anywhere near the table.

No-one on the red side would want to do anything with him.

The word on the street is called 'rumor', just like Songkhran last year with hundreds killed and/or missing. Still waiting for proof though.

Your second sentence boggles the mind. With similar reasoning I may think any reconciliation can only take place without Dr. Weng or K. Jatuporn around. And only be successful with Pol. Cap. Chalerm as interim PM and his sons in charge of Tourism

[Crushdepth]

The word on the street is around 500 were killed not 88.

Kind of hard to hide 500 bodies with all the journalists running around. Keep up the propaganda, comrade. Some people are dumb enough to believe it.

[lannarebirth]

The word on the street is around 500 were killed not 88.

Regarding Abhisit I think the only way reconciliation will take place is without him anywhere near the table.

No-one on the red side would want to do anything with him.

That's not too bad considering you red shirts had over 3 million of your 20+ million in Bangkok at the time.

[NaiGreg]

The word on the street is around 500 were killed not 88.

Regarding Abhisit I think the only way reconciliation will take place is without him anywhere near the table.

No-one on the red side would want to do anything with him.

That's not too bad considering you red shirts had over 3 million of your 20+ million in Bangkok at the time.

In last night's debate the soldiers were described as being "blood thirty monsters (demons)" ... in light of that "fact" we can safely amend the rumor to be 500,000 dead babies and children and pregnant women in wheelchairs.

[hughben]

The word on the street is around 500 were killed not 88.

Regarding Abhisit I think the only way reconciliation will take place is without him anywhere near the table.

No-one on the red side would want to do anything with him.

That's not too bad considering you red shirts had over 3 million of your 20+ million in Bangkok at the time.

I'm not a supporter of either group.

I'm a political atheist.

[senti]

someone who murdered 3000 of their fellow citizens

FYI

During Thaksin era, his war on drugs was THE most successful campaign.

By successful, it doesnt mean more dead is good. Instead it means drug circle was virtually eliminated.

Thaksin was condemned by international community for violating human rights.

In Thailand, it's different.

Every single poll got 95%+ approval rating.

And this also pushed him to win landslide another major election - among Bangkokians -too.

If one want to jail Thaksin because of this policy, he/she might want to think carefully.

So, what you are saying is that it was impossible to buy drugs after Thaksin's campaign? And Thailand was not exporting any more drugs after that?

Or you are just implying that approval ratings justify means to an end?

Oh, I see.

[lannarebirth]

The word on the street is around 500 were killed not 88.

Regarding Abhisit I think the only way reconciliation will take place is without him anywhere near the table.

No-one on the red side would want to do anything with him.

That's not too bad considering you red shirts had over 3 million of your 20+ million in Bangkok at the time.

I'm not a supporter of either group.

I'm a political atheist.

You would think a political atheist would be less evangelical and more dis-believing. That's the root characteristic of atheism is it not?

[SoMeOnEnUlL]

I'm not a supporter of either group.

I'm a political atheist.

According to some TV members here, you are either 'yellow' or 'red' if you have an opinion.

[hammered]

someone who murdered 3000 of their fellow citizens

FYI

During Thaksin era, his war on drugs was THE most successful campaign.

By successful, it doesnt mean more dead is good. Instead it means drug circle was virtually eliminated.

Thaksin was condemned by international community for violating human rights.

In Thailand, it's different.

Every single poll got 95%+ approval rating.

And this also pushed him to win landslide another major election - among Bangkokians -too.

If one want to jail Thaksin because of this policy, he/she might want to think carefully.

So, what you are saying is that it was impossible to buy drugs after Thaksin's campaign? And Thailand was not exporting any more drugs after that?

Or you are just implying that approval ratings justify means to an end?

Oh, I see.

Hmm. After the drug war the price of drugs shot up and most villagers to get them had to travel a bit which increased the cost even more. Those still supplying them enjoyed a much bigger share of the remaining huge market and made vastly more money.

A few other off shoots of the drug war were: a lack of desire to enter rehab, wrecked dealing with HIV/AIDS, drove drug use underground, denied the democratic right to trial to thousands (many of those killed were nothinbg to do with the drug trade oh and even drug dealers or extra judicial killers are surely entitled to a trial;))

Whether it was a success depends on how you measure success. It wasnt for Thailand but it was for Thaksin who got the viglante crowd loving him for a while at least and who has enjoyed the loving devotion of those who inherited the trade even up to today

[djayz]

Abhisit is starting to sound like a clown with his pathetic excuses and inability to take responsibility.

I'm positively surprised that the cr*p didn't start until Post # 5 - I honestly expected it to start much sooner...

If it wasn't for Abhisit things could have turned out A LOT worse... be grateful he was so patient! I know no other PM or country that would have tolerated this abuse for so long. Do you Sgt. Pepper?

I don't know what is more pathetic, posters making lame excuses for Abhisits crimes or Abhisits own lame excuses.

Sgt. Peppers - on 31st May I asked you to tell me what other PMs or countries would have tolerated riots and protests for 2 months. Still waiting for your answer...

[wordchild]

The word on the street is around 500 were killed not 88.

Regarding Abhisit I think the only way reconciliation will take place is without him anywhere near the table.

No-one on the red side would want to do anything with him.

it is the Reds leadership that needs to change they have been completely discredited and compromised by the events of the last few weeks. It is not for the reds to dictate the terms of reconciliation. I think it is important , if Thailand is to move on, that Abhisit reaches out to some of the more sensible and pragmatic figures in the red movement (maybe incl Vera) and by-passes the current (new generation) leadership and their sponsor completely. There is little point in attempting to reach a compromise with a psychopath.

Edited June 1, 2010 by wordchild

[jdinasia]

The word on the street is around 500 were killed not 88.

Regarding Abhisit I think the only way reconciliation will take place is without him anywhere near the table.

No-one on the red side would want to do anything with him.

That's not too bad considering you red shirts had over 3 million of your 20+ million in Bangkok at the time.

I have told you 5 million times to stop exaggerating!

Strange that the lies told by the reds are believed even by the reds. No reports of 500 funerals .... no reports of 500 bodies being picked up by the rescue teams .... no reports of 500 missing people!

This rumor will likely persist like the picture of the troops killed in the South that all of a sudden became soldiers nearing the end of their term of service that wouldn't fight the reds.

[way2muchcoffee]

since when have polls on here mattered, I have said many times the only figures that will matter from a poll is the next election, people that actually have a vote rather than some people on here with complexes and the desire to repeat the same garbage over and over in the hope that it will eventually brainwash others like it has brainwashed them. The people that matter will vote, they will vote the sam way.

Actually just a question, hopefully someone can answer it for me, at the last election what percentage of the vote did the democrats get?

I am asking because some on here always state that the people want them in power, I always say if people wanted them in power they would have voted for them, I am interested in knowing what percentage of the vote the actually got, this will also show what percentage of voters didn't want them in power.

Since you are asking what percentage of the voters supported the Dems in 2007 it is simple:

Dem: 39.63%

PPP: 39.60%

That was before the BJT abandoned the PPP/PTP. Now we'd be looking at something like 40% for the Dems and 30% for PTP.

Edited June 1, 2010 by way2muchcoffee

[Skywalker69]

The word on the street is around 500 were killed not 88.

Regarding Abhisit I think the only way reconciliation will take place is without him anywhere near the table.

No-one on the red side would want to do anything with him.

Which street is that?

The Reds don't want to have anything to do with anybody who isn't Red and who doesn't love Thaksin. Reconcilation will be hard not because of Prime Minister Abhisit but because the Reds are selfish people who only think of themselves and no one else.

And they don´t have a political agenda. It was all about Mr.T, he vants his money and power back!

[saintofsilence]

[Crushdepth]

During Thaksin era, his war on drugs was THE most successful campaign.

By successful, it doesnt mean more dead is good. Instead it means drug circle was virtually eliminated.

Well if you support the extra-judicial killing of 3,000 people to "clean up" the drug trade, why are you bitching about a paltry 80 bomb throwing rioters?

Hypocrite.

[Rucharee]

The word on the street is around 500 were killed not 88.

Regarding Abhisit I think the only way reconciliation will take place is without him anywhere near the table.

No-one on the red side would want to do anything with him.

That's not too bad considering you red shirts had over 3 million of your 20+ million in Bangkok at the time.

I have told you 5 million times to stop exaggerating!

Strange that the lies told by the reds are believed even by the reds. No reports of 500 funerals .... no reports of 500 bodies being picked up by the rescue teams .... no reports of 500 missing people!

This rumor will likely persist like the picture of the troops killed in the South that all of a sudden became soldiers nearing the end of their term of service that wouldn't fight the reds.

That is why it is call RUMOUR. It is not the TRUTH today.

[ozzieman05]

The word on the street is around 500 were killed not 88.

Regarding Abhisit I think the only way reconciliation will take place is without him anywhere near the table.

No-one on the red side would want to do anything with him.

Correct

the only way reconciliation will take place is with Thaskin at the table.

They have been brain washed they would not want to do anything without him

[ozzieman05]

The word on the street is around 500 were killed not 88.

Kind of hard to hide 500 bodies with all the journalists running around. Keep up the propaganda, comrade. Some people are dumb enough to believe it.

Why stop at 500

850 sounds better for the red shirt cause

Must be 850 after all they had 1,000,000 protestors

[Rucharee]

Abhisit is starting to sound like a clown with his pathetic excuses and inability to take responsibility.

I'm positively surprised that the cr*p didn't start until Post # 5 - I honestly expected it to start much sooner...

If it wasn't for Abhisit things could have turned out A LOT worse... be grateful he was so patient! I know no other PM or country that would have tolerated this abuse for so long. Do you Sgt. Pepper?

I don't know what is more pathetic, posters making lame excuses for Abhisits crimes or Abhisits own lame excuses.

Sgt. Peppers - on 31st May I asked you to tell me what other PMs or countries would have tolerated riots and protests for 2 months. Still waiting for your answer...

Nepal for a start.

And the protesters won.

[Crushdepth]

Nepal for a start.

And the protesters won.

The Nepalese government was in fact voted into power.

[noel2499rk]

Abhisit is starting to sound like a clown with his pathetic excuses and inability to take responsibility.

I'm positively surprised that the cr*p didn't start until Post # 5 - I honestly expected it to start much sooner...

If it wasn't for Abhisit things could have turned out A LOT worse... be grateful he was so patient! I know no other PM or country that would have tolerated this abuse for so long. Do you Sgt. Pepper?

I don't know what is more pathetic, posters making lame excuses for Abhisits crimes or Abhisits own lame excuses.

Sgt. Peppers - on 31st May I asked you to tell me what other PMs or countries would have tolerated riots and protests for 2 months. Still waiting for your answer...

How about Somchai Wongsawat, 192 days of protest.

[Crushdepth]

How about Somchai Wongsawat, 192 days of protest.

I seem to recall a rather violent crackdown against said protest which resulted in a number of fatalities and amputations, ordered by K. Somchai who - purely by coincidence of course - is the brother in law of a criminal fugitive called Thaksin Shinawatra

And I have to ask - was said 'yellow' protest accompanied by grenade attacks against...lets see...the Electoral Commission that recommended dissolution of Thaksin's party for electoral fraud for the second time, the Constitution Court that dissolved Thaksin's party for electoral fraud the second time, the homes of some of the judges, the bank that was required to freeze Thaksin's assets, the opposition party HQ etc etc etc? Was it associated with any kind of violence at all?

Any other brilliant repartee you'd care to share?

[noel2499rk]

How about Somchai Wongsawat, 192 days of protest.

I seem to recall a rather violent crackdown against said protest which resulted in a number of fatalities and amputations, ordered by K. Somchai who - purely by coincidence of course - is the brother in law of a criminal fugitive called Thaksin Shinawatra

And I have to ask - was said 'yellow' protest accompanied by grenade attacks against...lets see...the Electoral Commission that recommended dissolution of Thaksin's party for electoral fraud for the second time, the Constitution Court that dissolved Thaksin's party for electoral fraud the second time, the homes of some of the judges, the bank that was required to freeze Thaksin's assets, the opposition party HQ etc etc etc? Was it associated with any kind of violence at all?

Any other brilliant repartee you'd care to share?

http://www.bt.com.bn/asia_news/2008/10/10/...d_in_thai_clash

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=44913

http://www.heraldscotland.com/dangerous-times-1.829121

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=676153

http://picasaweb.google.co.th/democracynow...749073709196290

Maybe you've forgotten how violent the PAD were, the above articles and photos should help jog your memory.

The crackdown against the PAD lasted a few hours on the 7/10/2008, out of 192 days of protest, the army was not used nor snipers, just police who had side arms but did not use them. The deaths were caused by tear gas canisters and much of the amputation injuries to protesters were caused by ping pong grenades going off prematurely.

So there you have a standard set in how to deal with protesters, after this crackdown the security forces realized they could not remove the PAD without serious loss of life so they left them alone, left them to over run airports.

[gl9999]

http://www.bt.com.bn/asia_news/2008/10/10/...d_in_thai_clash

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=44913

http://www.heraldscotland.com/dangerous-times-1.829121

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=676153

http://picasaweb.google.co.th/democracynow...749073709196290

Maybe you've forgotten how violent the PAD were, the above articles and photos should help jog your memory.

The crackdown against the PAD lasted a few hours on the 7/10/2008, out of 192 days of protest, the army was not used nor snipers, just police who had side arms but did not use them. The deaths were caused by tear gas canisters and much of the amputation injuries to protesters were caused by ping pong grenades going off prematurely.

So there you have a standard set in how to deal with protesters, after this crackdown the security forces realized they could not remove the PAD without serious loss of life so they left them alone, left them to over run airports.

I didn't look at your links.

However, I need to ask you. Did they PAD fire at the police with assault rifles? Did they have grenade launchers?

I will say it again regarding the Red Shits. Standard 'peaceful' dispersal tactics don't work when the other side has live rounds and ARE SHOOTING BACK AT YOU.

[jdinasia]

http://www.bt.com.bn/asia_news/2008/10/10/...d_in_thai_clash

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=44913

http://www.heraldscotland.com/dangerous-times-1.829121

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=676153

http://picasaweb.google.co.th/democracynow...749073709196290

Maybe you've forgotten how violent the PAD were, the above articles and photos should help jog your memory.

The crackdown against the PAD lasted a few hours on the 7/10/2008, out of 192 days of protest, the army was not used nor snipers, just police who had side arms but did not use them. The deaths were caused by tear gas canisters and much of the amputation injuries to protesters were caused by ping pong grenades going off prematurely.

So there you have a standard set in how to deal with protesters, after this crackdown the security forces realized they could not remove the PAD without serious loss of life so they left them alone, left them to over run airports.

I didn't look at your links.

However, I need to ask you. Did they PAD fire at the police with assault rifles? Did they have grenade launchers?

I will say it again regarding the Red Shits. Standard 'peaceful' dispersal tactics don't work when the other side has live rounds and ARE SHOOTING BACK AT YOU.

I looked at his links ... We have a woman stranded that say they paid people with kids to join the airport rally (but no mention of the grenade attacks against the PAD). Hmmm So Inga thinks that was violence.

We have the report of explosives on Oct7th that was PROVEN to be the outdated Chinese military teargas canisters that were laced with RDX. Reports of police being shot but not anything on who shot them. The policeman injured by the looney driving the truck may have been mentioned.

Strangely, there are no real reports from that time period of the PAD acting violently until after they were attacked. (Sept 1 -- attacked by red shirts) Oct 7th attacked by police using military ordinance teargas laced with RDX (On the way to the airport -- attacked by red shirts --- btw those PAD should be arrested if they have not been since they actually fired on the people that attacked them -- there is mitigation since Sae Daeng's grenade campaign had already started!)

The PAD were not angels but there certainly were not overtly violent and certainly nothing on the scale of what the reds did.

NOW --- this thread isn't about the PAD ---- it isn't about Somchai and Samak's failures ---- it is about Abhisit and the events of April and May 2010.

[LindsayBKK]

Dan rivers finally learns how to report the news in Thailand.

Your link unable to download using Vdownloader 1.12 but next link can.

[Mario2008]

1 post containing rumor deleted. We would like to see some substantiation for this kind of news.

[Rucharee]

http://www.bt.com.bn/asia_news/2008/10/10/...d_in_thai_clash

http://www.ipsnews.net/news.asp?idnews=44913

http://www.heraldscotland.com/dangerous-times-1.829121

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=676153

http://picasaweb.google.co.th/democracynow...749073709196290

Maybe you've forgotten how violent the PAD were, the above articles and photos should help jog your memory.

The crackdown against the PAD lasted a few hours on the 7/10/2008, out of 192 days of protest, the army was not used nor snipers, just police who had side arms but did not use them. The deaths were caused by tear gas canisters and much of the amputation injuries to protesters were caused by ping pong grenades going off prematurely.

So there you have a standard set in how to deal with protesters, after this crackdown the security forces realized they could not remove the PAD without serious loss of life so they left them alone, left them to over run airports.

I didn't look at your links.

However, I need to ask you. Did they PAD fire at the police with assault rifles? Did they have grenade launchers?

I will say it again regarding the Red Shits. Standard 'peaceful' dispersal tactics don't work when the other side has live rounds and ARE SHOOTING BACK AT YOU.

I looked at his links ... We have a woman stranded that say they paid people with kids to join the airport rally (but no mention of the grenade attacks against the PAD). Hmmm So Inga thinks that was violence.

We have the report of explosives on Oct7th that was PROVEN to be the outdated Chinese military teargas canisters that were laced with RDX. Reports of police being shot but not anything on who shot them. The policeman injured by the looney driving the truck may have been mentioned.

Strangely, there are no real reports from that time period of the PAD acting violently until after they were attacked. (Sept 1 -- attacked by red shirts) Oct 7th attacked by police using military ordinance teargas laced with RDX (On the way to the airport -- attacked by red shirts --- btw those PAD should be arrested if they have not been since they actually fired on the people that attacked them -- there is mitigation since Sae Daeng's grenade campaign had already started!)

The PAD were not angels but there certainly were not overtly violent and certainly nothing on the scale of what the reds did.

NOW --- this thread isn't about the PAD ---- it isn't about Somchai and Samak's failures ---- it is about Abhisit and the events of April and May 2010.

All the links above are not proven to be true.

PAD is back.

Mark is history. Dr. Tul is the next rentboy of Sondhi Lim.

[Robby nz]

Government Passes Censure Debate with Flying Colors

The prime minister and his five ministers targeted in the censure debate passed the vote taken this morning.

Prime Minister Abhisit Vejjajiva passed with 246 votes against 186 votes, with 11 abstentions. The prime minister gained the most votes this time around. Deputy Prime Minister Suthep Thaugsuban passed with 245 votes against 187 votes, with 11 abstentions.

Finance Minister Korn Chatikavanij passed with 244 against 187, with 12 abstentions. Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya passed with 239 against 190, with 15 abstentions. Interior Minister Chaowarat Charnveerakul passed with 236 against 194 votes, with 14 abstaining. Transport Minister Sophon Sarum passed with 234 against 196 votes, with 13 abstentions.

With the prevailing 475 House seats, the government needs a minimum of 238 votes to defeat the censure. The coalition commands 275 House seats while the opposition has 200 votes.

That means the PTP couldnt even get all their 200 MP's to vote for their motion