What Are The Downsides Of Using Lpg Vs Benzene?

[WarpSpeed]

Most countries in Europe does not have higher taxes for LPG registered cars.

In Belgium sure is! yearly road tax is much higher when running on LPG. I think currently you pay an extra 208 Euro/year (8500 Baht)

Their reasoning is that they have to compensate for less excise revenue when you run on LPG

Sure promote and sell something cheaper and better environmentally so we can gouge you more on taxes! What an incentive!! And Thailand has the label of being the hub of illogical political thinking? It is but still, that ranks right up there!.............

[WarpSpeed]

I still think that LPG is a very viable option, apart from the few vehicles known to really get very pre-mature damage. With that I mean the few vehicles which can be expected to be needing a top-end overhaul in less then 100,000 KM (BMW springs to mind).

All the rest, just do it if you do enough KM. The numbers and savings do not lie! And then you have the cars which can run forever on LPG without any damage (VW, Volvo etc...)

Putting in LPG is virtually always done for cost savings (doubt people do it to save the environment!), so you decide on cost savings projections and base on that.

A vehicle burning 10 liters/100 km (10km/liter)will currently save 1.6 Baht/km. Based on 30 Baht/liter petrol, 11.5 Baht for LPG with 20% more consumption running on LPG...

So after 100,000 KM, you are 160,000 Baht ahead on fuel costs. Minus 50,000 Baht for a top end electronic injection system. That's 110,000 Baht ahead. If you manage to run 150,000 K's before needing a top end overhaul, you will have to pay for it out of 190,000 Baht savings on fuel. Heck, you can buy a couple of spare engines for that money

Who cares if your valves are going to wear out double as fast...

Yep that's the logic escaping most here....And even that only applies if you keep the car that long.... Otherwise your up the entire amount plus a higher resales value for a car already converted..

[INTJ]

Excellent post Monty, I was hoping someone would do those calculations.

Everybody can keep pouring 95 in, I'm off to spend the 300,000 baht I've saved

And I've never repaired an engine because of LPG damage. And if I had to, I could replace the whole engine for 15,000 baht.

:lol:

[katabeachbum]

I still think that LPG is a very viable option, apart from the few vehicles known to really get very pre-mature damage. With that I mean the few vehicles which can be expected to be needing a top-end overhaul in less then 100,000 KM (BMW springs to mind).

All the rest, just do it if you do enough KM. The numbers and savings do not lie! And then you have the cars which can run forever on LPG without any damage (VW, Volvo etc...)

Putting in LPG is virtually always done for cost savings (doubt people do it to save the environment!), so you decide on cost savings projections and base on that.

A vehicle burning 10 liters/100 km (10km/liter)will currently save 1.6 Baht/km. Based on 30 Baht/liter petrol, 11.5 Baht for LPG with 20% more consumption running on LPG...

So after 100,000 KM, you are 160,000 Baht ahead on fuel costs. Minus 50,000 Baht for a top end electronic injection system. That's 110,000 Baht ahead. If you manage to run 150,000 K's before needing a top end overhaul, you will have to pay for it out of 190,000 Baht savings on fuel. Heck, you can buy a couple of spare engines for that money

Who cares if your valves are going to wear out double as fast...

Mostly agree, even a burned out engine at 100k km can be good saving running LPG.

Some posters say LPG/CNG does not harme engines. With those I disagree. It harmes most engines.

Still good financial gain in running it, as long as you are aware of large repairs coming.

[INTJ]

as long as you are aware of large repairs coming.

Coming when ? In 400,000km time ?

Cheers

[VocalNeal]

I m presently looking at blending 30-50% LPG with diesel in my 2010 Vigo 3,0 D4D VNturbo. Still looking for a kit, to avoid having to do all the testing from scratch

Just wondering if you found the info available on the internet that states that using LPG in a diesel reduces the combustion temperature?

[VocalNeal]

Most countries in Europe does not have higher taxes for LPG registered cars.

In Belgium sure is! yearly road tax is much higher when running on LPG. I think currently you pay an extra 208 Euro/year (8500 Baht)

Their reasoning is that they have to compensate for less excise revenue when you run on LPG

Monty,

You forgot Italy the "home" of LPG.

[katabeachbum]

as long as you are aware of large repairs coming.

Coming when ? In 400,000km time ?

Cheers

as stated before, most 4 valves 4 pots less than 2000cc, within 150k km.

[katabeachbum]

I m presently looking at blending 30-50% LPG with diesel in my 2010 Vigo 3,0 D4D VNturbo. Still looking for a kit, to avoid having to do all the testing from scratch

Just wondering if you found the info available on the internet that states that using LPG in a diesel reduces the combustion temperature?

No. I dont use internett much to search for info. Thats why I never post a link. All info from experience, reading and friends still in auto industry.

and on occasions my memory fail me, so please excuse me:jap:

[VocalNeal]

No. I dont use internett much to search for info. Thats why I never post a link. All info from experience, reading and friends still in auto industry.

and on occasions my memory fail me, so please excuse me:jap:

You must be younger than me then I have to check to see if the camshaft I used once was a 649 or a 731 or was it the 944 or maybe it was 544.

[katabeachbum]

No. I dont use internett much to search for info. Thats why I never post a link. All info from experience, reading and friends still in auto industry.

and on occasions my memory fail me, so please excuse me:jap:

You must be younger than me then I have to check to see if the camshaft I used once was a 649 or a 731 or was it the 944 or maybe it was 544.

My 47 year old memory usually serves me ok on cars, boats, yachts and building houses, but terrible on names and birthdays

Ordering Dodge Durangos we imported to Scandinavia 1998-2001, very important to get the optional 3,92 final ratio over the stock 3,55. Better performance and same milage in reality.

Back to LPG. 4,7/5,2/5,9/8,0L Dodge 1998 to 2002 runs excellent on LPG for 3-400k km. Electronic system always starting on gasoline and running gasoline until 65C coolingwater allows evaporator to work properly. First units we installed 8 mm copperpipe as LPG supply, to discover 5,9 needs 10 mm and 8,0 needs 12mm to run full throttle for long time

Should have seen the face on the guys at LTD when emission was tested. First unit a 5,9(360ci) on an icecold winterday, not bad on gasoline as long as cat was hot, switching to LPG they had to check their meters cause not responding. Emissions close to Zero.

[rixalex]

how can you possibly understand anything being presented when you have such problems with basic spelling?

Why not concentrate on mastering your own spelling before attacking other people's?

I know your slow but I'll help you out this once as I feel sorry for developmentally handicapped sorts....

[WarpSpeed]

Bored today Rix?? Waited all this time and resurrect a dead thread with an antagonistic post just looking for a fight? My spelling is a as good as my spell check what's your excuse??

[rixalex]

Bored today Rix?? Waited all this time and resurrect a dead thread with an antagonistic post just looking for a fight? My spelling is a as good as my spell check what's your excuse??

Not bored. Was doing some research into LPG and was enjoying the thread until you started to drag it down with your usual high and mighty attitude in the way you respond to people.

As for what my excuse for bad spelling is, i don't need one because i'm not the one questioning the intelligence of others based on that ability. If i was rude enough to do so, i would make sure my own spelling was up to scratch first.

[katabeachbum]

Bored today Rix?? Waited all this time and resurrect a dead thread with an antagonistic post just looking for a fight? My spelling is a as good as my spell check what's your excuse??

Not bored. Was doing some research into LPG and was enjoying the thread until you started to drag it down with your usual high and mighty attitude in the way you respond to people.

As for what my excuse for bad spelling is, i don't need one because i'm not the one questioning the intelligence of others based on that ability. If i was rude enough to do so, i would make sure my own spelling was up to scratch first.

English not being my first language, not my second language, not my third language, but

English being my 4th language, only worse spelling in 5thGerman, 6thFrench and 7thItalian, I beg you all to excuse my spelling on occasions:jap:

Whats a spellcheck? ok, something in the computer I dont know how to find:rolleyes:

may bel rai

[WarpSpeed]

Bored today Rix?? Waited all this time and resurrect a dead thread with an antagonistic post just looking for a fight? My spelling is a as good as my spell check what's your excuse??

Not bored. Was doing some research into LPG and was enjoying the thread until you started to drag it down with your usual high and mighty attitude in the way you respond to people.

As for what my excuse for bad spelling is, i don't need one because i'm not the one questioning the intelligence of others based on that ability. If i was rude enough to do so, i would make sure my own spelling was up to scratch first.

Sorry, (well not really) I know confident displays of knowledge often offend some insecure people .. I never let that bother me when posting I'm not here to be your mother or tip toe around the facts just to avoid stepping on sensitive toes. This is an adult forum with adult topics and not for those who aren't adult enough to handle sometimes frank and tough language with out the kid gloves..

JFYI You mentioned poor spelling, it is what it is and in the day and age of spell checkers there's no reason for it except being too lazy to utilize it...

But surely you jest as you have cited no examples of my "poor spelling" and you'll have to search quite far and wide to find any as well..With that being the case it is obviously not worth even mentioning..

It paints you as desperate and be forewarned I will always stand up for myself, I'm not a door mat you get back what you put out and that's why I answered the way I did and always do it's always in response to remarks from others not the other way around, just like it was here when you felt like a mother hen and the need to attempt to chastise me on a long dead thread and topic... It's not your place, nor anyone else's the only person who's place that was, died many years ago..

No you're not rude just rude enough to presume that you have the right to chastise me as another adult who was not even part of the original posting, who the F*&% does that make you??

[WarpSpeed]

Bored today Rix?? Waited all this time and resurrect a dead thread with an antagonistic post just looking for a fight? My spelling is a as good as my spell check what's your excuse??

Not bored. Was doing some research into LPG and was enjoying the thread until you started to drag it down with your usual high and mighty attitude in the way you respond to people.

As for what my excuse for bad spelling is, i don't need one because i'm not the one questioning the intelligence of others based on that ability. If i was rude enough to do so, i would make sure my own spelling was up to scratch first.

He makes a fare point Warp's.

But now l am sure your a changed person. ( I hope )

My answer is this. Is this an adult forum or a forum with a bunch of oversensitive whenging children who can't handle a bit of criticism, banter or rebuttal with out throwing their toys out of the stroller and pitching a childish name calling hissy fit? Your answer would be telling and if what's expected then that's how it is..

[WarpSpeed]

Bored today Rix?? Waited all this time and resurrect a dead thread with an antagonistic post just looking for a fight? My spelling is a as good as my spell check what's your excuse??

Not bored. Was doing some research into LPG and was enjoying the thread until you started to drag it down with your usual high and mighty attitude in the way you respond to people.

As for what my excuse for bad spelling is, i don't need one because i'm not the one questioning the intelligence of others based on that ability. If i was rude enough to do so, i would make sure my own spelling was up to scratch first.

English not being my first language, not my second language, not my third language, but

English being my 4th language, only worse spelling in 5thGerman, 6thFrench and 7thItalian, I beg you all to excuse my spelling on occasions:jap:

Whats a spellcheck? ok, something in the computer I dont know how to find:rolleyes:

may bel rai

Excellent Kata and as far as I know I've never made comment about your spelling, in fact have seldom if ever made comment about hardly anyones spelling ever on any forum as I know it's a personal thing and many nationalities here who aren't native English speakers and I'm usually offended of those who do make issue of it. To tell the truth I have no idea what this post was even about as there was no quote made and it's so old I can't be bothered to search back but it's certain that whatever response I had was ONLY in response to someone else's initial antagonism...

[rixalex]

But surely you jest as you have cited no examples of my "poor spelling" and you'll have to search quite far and wide to find any as well..

Not that far, nor that wide. This one i cited back in post #85 when i first pointed out your hypocrisy. What, you didn't spot it? How much more basic does it get than knowing the difference between "your" and "you're"?

I know your slow but I'll help you out this once as I feel sorry for developmentally handicapped sorts....

Here's a more recent example if you need it:

Is this an adult forum or a forum with a bunch of oversensitive whenging children

As i have already said, if you wish to question other member's intelligence because of their spelling mistakes, as you did with transam, you better jolly well make sure your own spelling is perfect, and if it's not, expect to have it pointed out to you and don't "whenge" when it is.

As for the rest of your response, it just confirms what i was saying about your attitude.

You are a boorish and an arrogant man and my life is too short to waste any more of it conversing with you.

Over and out.

[soundman]

This topic is not about other member's spelling, so surely we do not need multiple posts attributed to such.

Back on topic please.

[sunny747]

i have been using lancer ECar from 1993 with LPG for last 3 years without any problem. I have never driven on petrol. i don't think it even works. I start my car on LPG and i drive 80km every day.

But i make sure that i change the engine oil/filter every after 5k Km. I clean radiator every after 6 months. I check for leaked gas smell and i check the gas pipe every week just in case.

i don't even use coolant just simply water. never had overheat problem.

[katabeachbum]

i have been using lancer ECar from 1993 with LPG for last 3 years without any problem. I have never driven on petrol. i don't think it even works. I start my car on LPG and i drive 80km every day.

But i make sure that i change the engine oil/filter every after 5k Km. I clean radiator every after 6 months. I check for leaked gas smell and i check the gas pipe every week just in case.

i don't even use coolant just simply water. never had overheat problem.

yepp, very few problems with running LPG on Mitsus 4 pots 2valve, some problems on 4 valves. New 1800cc/4 valve engine is E85 compatible which is also an indication of durability running fuel not lubricating like LPG/CNG/E85

Replacing engine oil and filter every 5k km is a waste, especially running LPG/CNG/E85 since they pollute oil far less than petrol. Your oil must be clear when you drain it:)

[WarpSpeed]

i have been using lancer ECar from 1993 with LPG for last 3 years without any problem. I have never driven on petrol. i don't think it even works. I start my car on LPG and i drive 80km every day.

But i make sure that i change the engine oil/filter every after 5k Km. I clean radiator every after 6 months. I check for leaked gas smell and i check the gas pipe every week just in case.

i don't even use coolant just simply water. never had overheat problem.

Honestly one of the benefits of using LP is NOT having to change your oil as often as it doesn't get as much carbon deposits in it... I'm sure someone less informed will be along shortly to contradict that information though..

[soundman]

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[WarpSpeed]

Warpy's upset again, blimey it's hard work. Think we better have a WARPY MOTORING FORUM so he's in charge.

Slagging people off who have an opinion, me included, is a bit rich from a grocery getter car racer. I give up, (not really). .

Your post to me is complete <deleted>, so my 85 year old mum must put on her overalls and get under the car every weekend, you silly bloke. Most modern cars need sod all done at a service cos it's all computorised, ignition, injection, gone are the days of points change and twiddling the distributer cos it's out of tune. Simple, it's called progress, BUT that is with PETROL, get it.

Better then T/A motoring forum where all that is posted is baseless <deleted>..Your 85 year old mother every weekend? Who's the silly bloke again?! And that is exactly WHY you get "slagged off" as you call it, you beg for it...... Though I like to refer to it as setting the record straight and the less knowledgeable masses too.. Hel_l I just look at your atrocious spelling, I don't usually make mention but when one so thick keeps attempting to slag me off I just have to make mention, how can you possibly understand anything being presented when you have such problems with basic spelling?

Perhaps American, Asian and European engined motors in Thailand forum, food for thought. Lots of expertise here.

AND mod............................................. Yet this remains?????????????????????????? <deleted>!!!!!!!!!

Out of context there T/A. But if you want respect for your knowledge you have to display it in all forms. It was again in response to one of your continually antagonistic posts and well deserved.

I wonder whether or not you have anything else of value in your life you seem to be here a ton of time with no other agenda then to instigate slag fests... Pretty sad actually, I pity you the more I think about it...

[soundman]

This topic appears to be causing too much stress to some, I am therefore closing it because some members can't put the past behind them, and move on with the topic from the line I drew in the post count a few days previously.

For those who need a refresher on forum rules. Look here.

For those with problems with other member's content - use the "Report" button, rather than respond in topic.

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