webfact Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 UPDATE Confusion as Immigration Commissioner orders cancellation of visa and black listing of Russian Composer PATTAYA: -- On Tuesday Afternoon at the Chonburi Immigration Office in Soi 5 off Jomtien Beach Road, Police Colonel Atisawit, the Superintendant of the Immigration Office, held a preparation meeting for their new Transnational Crime Data Center which is due to open on 5th August. This new office will work closely with foreign law enforcement organizations and Embassies to ensure that wanted foreign nationals residing in the Chonburi area can be located, arrested and then deported if necessary to face charges in their native countries. Also in the meeting, the Colonel revealed that he had received a direct order from Police Lieutenant General Wutt, the Immigration Police Commissioner, to cancel the visa of Mr. Mickhail Pletnev, the Russian Composer which is currently facing charges of committing sexual acts with a minor under the age of 15, and to also place him on the Immigration Black List. This follows a letter sent to Immigration from the Pattaya Provincial Court and letters sent to the Child and Women Protection Division Region 2, regarding clarification of the case and its progress. The full story and pictures are HERE -- Pattaya One 2010-07-21 [newsfooter][/newsfooter] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aussiemarkinthailand Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 MAYBE WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL HE IS CONVICTED ? JUST A THOUGHT LA !..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveyinasia Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 (edited) So before even being found guilty these %% treat him like he is.........so much for the fair treatment rulling Edited July 21, 2010 by george Inappropriate language Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wozzit Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 (edited) If this story is in fact true, it makes a total mockery of justice in Thailand. Might this be because Pletnev has shown he will fight the case in Court and the authorities are so incensed by the international media response (which has highlighted the fact that Thailand is a haven for pedophiles rather than the efforts of the country to clean up its act) that they literally want the case and Pletnev to disappear? Wherever he is now, he cannot get back to Thailand and report back to the Court as ordered. So he is doubly damned. Accused of being a pedophile and treated as one without any shred of evidence being brought out in Court! Yet not even allowed to prove his innocence (if that is the case). What makes this even more disgraceful is that the Immigration Chief has acted before getting a reply from the "Child and Women Unit". I am shocked and appalled. MAYBE WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL HE IS CONVICTED ? JUST A THOUGHT LA !..... Perfectly fair point. But it seems the Thai Justice System will not even give him that opportunity! I hope there is an international outcry over this. Edited July 21, 2010 by Wozzit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bapak Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Yes, guilty until proven innocent... Situation normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bapak Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 If this story is in fact true, it makes a total mockery of justice in Thailand. Might this be because Pletnev has shown he will fight the case in Court and the authorities are so incensed by the international media response (which has highlighted the fact that Thailand is a haven for pedophiles rather than the efforts of the country to clean up its act) that they literally want the case and Pletnev to disappear? Wherever he is now, he cannot get back to Thailand and report back to the Court as ordered. So he is doubly damned. Accused of being a pedophile and treated as one without any shred of evidence being brought out in Court! Yet not even allowed to prove his innocence (if that is the case). What makes this even more disgraceful is that the Immigration Chief has acted before getting a reply from the "Child and Women Unit". I am shocked and appalled. MAYBE WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL HE IS CONVICTED ? JUST A THOUGHT LA !..... Perfectly fair point. But it seems the Thai Justice System will not even give him that opportunity! I hope there is an international outcry over this. I think that it was reported that he returned to Thailand several days ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 If this story is in fact true, it makes a total mockery of justice in Thailand. Might this be because Pletnev has shown he will fight the case in Court and the authorities are so incensed by the international media response (which has highlighted the fact that Thailand is a haven for pedophiles rather than the efforts of the country to clean up its act) that they literally want the case and Pletnev to disappear? Wherever he is now, he cannot get back to Thailand and report back to the Court as ordered. So he is doubly damned. Accused of being a pedophile and treated as one without any shred of evidence being brought out in Court! Yet not even allowed to prove his innocence (if that is the case). What makes this even more disgraceful is that the Immigration Chief has acted before getting a reply from the "Child and Women Unit". I am shocked and appalled. MAYBE WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL HE IS CONVICTED ? JUST A THOUGHT LA !..... Perfectly fair point. But it seems the Thai Justice System will not even give him that opportunity! I hope there is an international outcry over this. Absolutely. They never believed he would come back and fight this. They wanted a shakedown and a photo opportunity and believed he would run away so that the court of public opinion would judge him Stay out of trouble guys, all it appears to take to get you deported is the ACCUSATION that you did something wrong. Kangaroo justice is on the increase. I can imagine that the Russian embassy will have something quite strong to say about this, and that Colonel Somchai with his deportation stamp may well get into some private poop over this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kuffki Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Guy came back to report and face accusations and in return for his actions will just cancel his visa and of course will keep the bail money and surely will try to take everything he owns. AWSOME, and worst part about it all as already mentioned is that he is not even being convicted or proven guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farangpattaya Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Probably 100% innocent; better let Immigration clean up the mess, than let the Court loose face. More and more Thailand (and the Chonburi area in particular) is starting to look like a banana-republique. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balo Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 I think they already know he's guilty , so they think its ok to blacklist him before the trial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
animatic Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 (edited) He just returned to Thailand to fight the case. And so the giant stink if they kick him out now will go world wide. Another instance of embarrassed officials shooting off at the mouth first, then considering the consequences later... I suspect someone has eyes on his properties too... So he won't be allowed to fight the charges, but blacklisted without a day in court, or will he and it proves a set up by the scumbag who dimed him out? And of course a real embarrassment for the whole police bureau that perp-walked him, and took what they thought was a easy pay off to let him go perform, never expecting him to return of course. The tripe mixed with bile gets deeper by the hour. Edited July 21, 2010 by animatic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samjaidee Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 (edited) If this story is in fact true, it makes a total mockery of justice in Thailand. Might this be because Pletnev has shown he will fight the case in Court and the authorities are so incensed by the international media response (which has highlighted the fact that Thailand is a haven for pedophiles rather than the efforts of the country to clean up its act) that they literally want the case and Pletnev to disappear? Wherever he is now, he cannot get back to Thailand and report back to the Court as ordered. So he is doubly damned. Accused of being a pedophile and treated as one without any shred of evidence being brought out in Court! Yet not even allowed to prove his innocence (if that is the case). What makes this even more disgraceful is that the Immigration Chief has acted before getting a reply from the "Child and Women Unit". I am shocked and appalled. MAYBE WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL HE IS CONVICTED ? JUST A THOUGHT LA !..... Perfectly fair point. But it seems the Thai Justice System will not even give him that opportunity! I hope there is an international outcry over this. I think you may be looking at it the wrong way. They've stopped his visa so he can't come back and face charges. What if influential people from whichever country have found a way to let him go free without Thailand losing face. The Thais can't prosecute him because they've put him on a blacklist and won't let him back into the country. I wonder who gets to keep all the guy's assets in Thailand. Hasn't he got houses and businesses all over the place? Makes you think. Edited July 21, 2010 by samjaidee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prakhonchai nick Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 More relevantly, if he was guilty, he no longer has to return to Thailand as he promised to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Gospodin Pletnev must be a happy man now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
farangtopper1 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Is he back already? Good if he came back. Not so good they treat him already as if he is guilty.<BR>But we know this already that this happens here in Thailand. We have to be careful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBarbarian Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 By now everybody knows who is behind the setup of this man. Maybe someone can check the bank transfers into the account of the immigration chief. First there were pictures than there were not, than there were movies and x rated images on a computer than they were suddenly not. What stayed was the big company that had to settle a score. the lesson: Do not do business in Thailand. When the influential see that you are doing too good, they will use any trick in the book to get you out and their hands on your assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnsonspot Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Oh come on boys and girls. You should all know by now TiT! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zorro1 Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 (edited) Now that really sucks.. Whats the point of blacklisting if he is IN THE COUNTRY? They cant deport him before the trial, surely that would make an international mockery of the Thai justice system Edited July 21, 2010 by zorro1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thai at Heart Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 (edited) By now everybody knows who is behind the setup of this man. Maybe someone can check the bank transfers into the account of the immigration chief. First there were pictures than there were not, than there were movies and x rated images on a computer than they were suddenly not. What stayed was the big company that had to settle a score. the lesson: Do not do business in Thailand. When the influential see that you are doing too good, they will use any trick in the book to get you out and their hands on your assets. As a rule however, messing with influential Russians isn't usually good for one's longevity even if you are a policeman in a foreign country. This story will run well beyond him being blacklisted (although he is apparently in the country under the terms of his bail), and I think we may find that this blacklisting may well be just a terrible slip of the tongue. How are they going to effect the visa cancellation? Arrest him and deport him. Now that is going to look very nice on world news. Russian deported because policeman decided he was guilty. It is almost as though the immigration department forgot to notice that courts even exist in Thailand. The press will have a field day with it. This is so obviously a travesty of justice that not even the government can ignore it. The Russian embassy will be all over this story like a rash, hopefully Thailand's esteemed Foreign Minister has received a call already. What is Abhisit's contact number again to get in touch? Edited July 21, 2010 by Thai at Heart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imaneggspurt Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 By now everybody knows who is behind the setup of this man. Maybe someone can check the bank transfers into the account of the immigration chief. First there were pictures than there were not, than there were movies and x rated images on a computer than they were suddenly not. What stayed was the big company that had to settle a score. the lesson: Do not do business in Thailand. When the influential see that you are doing too good, they will use any trick in the book to get you out and their hands on your assets. Sound advice,.......".Do not do business in Thailand." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imaneggspurt Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Oh come on boys and girls. You should all know by now TiT! Unfortunatly this is true isnt it, thy can do as they please, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sabre Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Unbelievable. I know TiT, but sometimes this place still shocks me. Unbelievable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mobi Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 According to the Nation, he is back: Russian suspected child-abuse pianist back in Thailand Moscow - A Russian pianist charged with raping a 14-year-old boy in Thailand returned to the South-East Asian country on Saturday, his spokeswoman sai Mikhail Pletnev flew back from Moscow, where he was allowed to return on July 8 for a concert after promising Thai authorities he would come back to resolve matters. The 53-year-old concert pianist denied the charges against him, Pletnev's spokeswoman Svetlana Shaplygina told the Russian news agency Interfax.//DPA The Nation 18July, 2010 Unless he left again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cusanus Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 I do think that it's no more fair to say that Thailand is a haven for pedophiles than it is to prejudge the accused, nor an intelligent way of responding to the media, which everyone knows can't be taken seriously. The United States is crawling with them, they're loudmouthed and arrogant even where employed in school systems. Thankfully, I've not found myself required to share space with people like that or with heavy substance abusers, in fact, of the many people I know in Thailand, none of them are like that, so I'm proud and happy to be here. In the states, I couldn't get away from them. I hope and pray for a fair resolution of this tragic event, and encourage Thailand (and everyone) to be fair, reasonable and forgiving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaoPo Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 In the meantime, elsewhere in Thailand: "Foreign Minister Affirms Democracy in Thailand BANGKOK: -- Foreign Minister Kasit Piromya met with his visiting British counterpart and reassured that there is no need to worry about democracy in Thailand as this administration will push forward national reconciliation." From: another topic, about democracy, in "NEWS". Democracy in Thailand ? LaoPo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pavlik Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 MAYBE WE SHOULD WAIT UNTIL HE IS CONVICTED ? JUST A THOUGHT LA !..... Okay, you can wait until he is convicted. Apparently, Thai justice doesn't like waiting for too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monty Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Yep, Mikhail Pletnev returned to Thailand and reported to the court on the date he was ordered to, complying with his bail conditions. Normally the cancellation and blacklist would entail Mikhail Pletnev to be arrested, brought over to the immigration detention in Bangkok, until he can supply an airplane ticket out after which they will be escorting him onto the plane. Which would be in breach of his bail conditions! Rather strange situation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jfchandler Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Sorry, I'm reading this development a different way... If he's blacklisted and has his visa canceled, he'd either have to leave the country, or be actively deported by the Thai authorities, and be unable legally to return. In that case, he'd never be present for the completion of the pending legal proceedings. So I'm not sure how the case could proceed to a verdict in those circumstances. It seems rather a way of Thailand getting rid of the guy without having to put a prominent Russian artist on trial.... If true, that would seem to benefit a fair number of different interests in this mess. ...leaving aside the question of whether the guy is guilty or innocent. He's been accused before, so this episode would just be another one added to the list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naam Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 I can imagine that the Russian embassy will have something quite strong to say about this, and that Colonel Somchai with his deportation stamp may well get into some private poop over this one. and i can imagine that the Russian Embassy (which most probably arranged the "elegant" face saving deal for all involved parties) will have not much to say. that he could leave the country posting a peanuts bail amount speaks volumes. would any of us mortal Farangs be allowed to keep his passport and leave the country if accused of a crime that might carry a 20 year sentence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wozzit Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 I think that it was reported that he returned to Thailand several days ago. Yes, it was. But i am not sure if he was allowed to leave again like last time. Not sure if he is n the country or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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