Treat Me Fairly: Thaksin

[Artisi]

Sure treat him fairly .................. right after he completes his two year sentence that he is running from

The conviction of Taksin is a sham. Even under Thai Law the Document that secured the conviction was that of his signing a form giving his wife e permission to buy land. Thai women cannot buy land without their husbands permission. What he did in this instance was compassionate toward a wife that was already planning her exit from the marriage. In Thai law the offence is a misdemeanor because she is considered unsuitable to to purchase crown land, even though she did it fairly through bidding at auction. Even in Thailand the highest bid always wins.

In Thailand prison a misdemeanor does not warrent a prison sentence.

Think you will find your comment - " Thai women cannot buy land ---- " is incorrect.

[rubl]

As Attorney General I would be appalled by such a request. Fair treatment is the standard, anyone explicitly asking for it should be prepared to indicate why, or be jailed for contempt of court.

I'm also confused as to why the petition was given to someone of the "special litigation department". Any special reason?

The paragraph

The lawyer said the charge by the Department of Special Investigation against Thaksin was unfair, as it appeared they had intended to take legal action against him in connection with the political unrest.

doesn't make sense. Charge unfair because DSI had 'intended' to take legal action. Maybe someone forgot all those phone-ins which thankfully the UDD made sure were recorded. Some phone-ins offered moral support in 'bring your family to come to Bangkok' with K. Thaksin's family leaving the country (needed shopping I guess).

[Rimmer]

One post advocating violence deleted

[ballpoint]

One ex prime minister advocating violence deleted.

[dighambara]

The lawyer said the charge by the Department of Special Investigation against Thaksin was unfair

[dighambara]

The rumor was that Thaksin was the kingpin behind the black shirts who were responsible for most of the violence.

Video on TV clearly showed a black shirt group throwing stones at both police and red shirts.

A later video showed men in black shirts setting fire to the mall...

If Thaksin isn't theBlack Shirt leader, then who is..??

[Moonrakers]

The lawyer said the charge by the Department of Special Investigation against Thaksin was unfair, as it appeared they had intended to take legal action against him in connection with the political unrest.

Errr, well, yeah. That is the point is it not?

[otherstuff1957]

Sure treat him fairly .................. right after he completes his two year sentence that he is running from

The conviction of Taksin is a sham. Even under Thai Law the Document that secured the conviction was that of his signing a form giving his wife e permission to buy land. Thai women cannot buy land without their husbands permission. What he did in this instance was compassionate toward a wife that was already planning her exit from the marriage. In Thai law the offence is a misdemeanor because she is considered unsuitable to to purchase crown land, even though she did it fairly through bidding at auction. Even in Thailand the highest bid always wins.

In Thailand prison a misdemeanor does not warrent a prison sentence.

Think you will find your comment - " Thai women cannot buy land ---- " is incorrect.

Thai women in general don't need their husband's permission to buy land. The only exceptions are woman married to foreigners, who must disavow any claim to their wife's purchase in writing, and the wife of a sitting Prime Minister, who must not engage in business (including buying land) with the Government!

Of course, if you're a Red poster, facts are irrelevant. Only endlessly repeated sound-bites are important.

[Grey13]

Quote:

"....Thanadej (thakisn lawyer) said Thaksin was not a leader of the red-shirt protests - he simply made phone calls to offer moral support to the protesters and their leaders, with no intention of inciting unrest. ....."

The man is delusional, again - seems to believe that everybody is stupid and cannot see him for exactly what he is, a liar, a charlotan, a person with no values or morals or respect for others.. Seems to think he can just re-write history, after the event, to a different version which are expedient for his current purposes, or which 'sound better'.

I agree 100%. The man is a criminal. Any fool knows he & his family were the chief fianciers of the burning of Bangkok. The man is a terrorist & should be dealt with accordingly. Sad that so many of the ignorant peasants from the north admire this scumbag. The Red Shirts will never stop as long as Thaksin is alive. He has done everything in his power to ruin the economy of Thailand & put thousands of his peasants followers unemployed and they still do not realise it.

[chantorn]

I think Thaksin was already dead even before the protest started. It was mentioned in the internet.

http://www.oknation.net/blog/Ghost/20

[Samuian]

....the lawyer said the charge by the Department of Special Investigation against Thaksin was unfair, as it appeared they had intended to take legal action against him in connection with the political unrest.

Thanadej said Thaksin was not a leader of the red-shirt protests - he simply made phone calls to offer moral support to the protesters and their leaders, with no intention of inciting unrest.

Do THEY believe in this stuff?

Mr.Pure Innocence!

No, no he wasn't the leader, nope he ONLY gave some moral support, because he's such a genuine democrat!

This guy is he suffering from delusion, does he believe in all this BS he, his PR Advisors and entourage are coming up with?

[SomTumTiger]

One ex prime minister advocating violence deleted.

:jap:

[Insight]

I'm surprised Chalerm's comments yesterday in the Thai Post haven't made it on to the forum. A jaw-dropping peek into the mindset of the cronies Thaksin sees fit to run this country.

[scorecard]

I'm surprised Chalerm's comments yesterday in the Thai Post haven't made it on to the forum. A jaw-dropping peek into the mindset of the cronies Thaksin sees fit to run this country.

Dear Insight, would you please share more regarding Chalerms comments yesterday, thanks.

[hoaker]

Yes, lets treat him fairly like how he treated our tax money. What about the money he ciphened out of thailand to the bahamas and the excuse to raise capital in NYC, then bring it back at PAR value. Have to admit thailand was way better in terms of growth and value during his office but his growth was bigger than the whole nation. Thank you Officer Thaksin

[animatic]

I'm surprised Chalerm's comments yesterday in the Thai Post haven't made it on to the forum. A jaw-dropping peek into the mindset of the cronies Thaksin sees fit to run this country.

Dear Insight, would you please share more regarding Chalerms comments yesterday, thanks.

It was a good sized article in the paper we are not allowed to link to.

But I agree it was quite clearly and insight into a detestable group mind set.

[animatic]

Yes, lets treat him fairly like how he treated our tax money. What about the money he ciphened out of thailand to the bahamas and the excuse to raise capital in NYC, then bring it back at PAR value. Have to admit thailand was way better in terms of growth and value during his office but his growth was bigger than the whole nation. Thank you Officer Thaksin

But that was Thaksin simply the benefiting off a roaring economy, that has since fallen moribund.

Had absolutely squat to do with Thaksin's efforts at 'Thaksinomics'; sic,

just good luck in his timing to be PM. He got lucky that the up-cycle favored his rise to power,

and the down-cycle was much worse than typical, so something worse to falsely blame his opposition with.

Also note:

His PPP party COMPLETELY missed the crash of the world economy, and did nothing.

While Khun Korn was commenting on it, and being ignored, but at least he had a salvage plan in place

when he was finally given hands on control. Thaksin & PPP were clueless, and never even acknowledged the issue.

Thaksin DID later, because he finally realized how much he had lost internationally for ignoring the issue so long.

Too little world view, way to late, and he of course still tries to spin the blame onto the Democrats.

When he knows full well it wasn't anything do with them, and they HAVE been applying the cure,

that his team never even managed to think on, let alone act on.

Edited August 5, 2010 by animatic

[Insight]

I'm surprised Chalerm's comments yesterday in the Thai Post haven't made it on to the forum. A jaw-dropping peek into the mindset of the cronies Thaksin sees fit to run this country.

Dear Insight, would you please share more regarding Chalerms comments yesterday, thanks.

It was a good sized article in the paper we are not allowed to link to.

But I agree it was quite clearly and insight into a detestable group mind set.

I'm sure we can get away with a quote from a Twitter user reporting on the comments...

Chalerm: If anyone should be killed to create a drastic political change' date=' it must be Abhisit Vejjajiva. #Thai Post

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Link to msg

It would be interesting to see a full translation of the interview to see what context the comments were made in.

[hoaker]

Good Luck in getting fairnism from Thailand....after all the thai people has been through. Thaksin should get treated the same way he treated thailand.

Edited August 5, 2010 by hoaker

[mrtoad]

The Dear Leader should receive the same fairness that he meated out to those that opposed him, or those that he saw had no need to go through a proper justice system. The man continues to show no remorse for any of his previous actions, and now attempts to play the victim role once again. Tosser.

[chainarong]

What ye sow , so ye shall reap, what go's around , comes around , pay the ferry man sweetheart.

[Siripon]

I'm surprised Chalerm's comments yesterday in the Thai Post haven't made it on to the forum. A jaw-dropping peek into the mindset of the cronies Thaksin sees fit to run this country.

Dear Insight, would you please share more regarding Chalerms comments yesterday, thanks.

It was a good sized article in the paper we are not allowed to link to.

But I agree it was quite clearly and insight into a detestable group mind set.

Chalerm was criticizing Tarit for mentioning death threats, saying that it was commonplace for the head of the DSI to receive such threats, and that when he held an important position in the government the same thing happened, but he ignored it.

He said if Tarit died, nothing would change, the statue of limitations would not run out for 20 years, a new DSI chief would be appointed, politics would be the same.

For politics to change, the PM would have to be shot,(ie the death of Tarit is insignificant), but this didn't mean he was supporting shooting the PM, he was merely comparing (importance).

Edited August 5, 2010 by Siripon

[asiawatcher]

A firing squad is fair.

Dear Som Tum Tiger,

Nice to see you here.

More power to you!

Whatever you may think of the man he does deserve fair treatment . It is, however,unlikely that he will be able to get this in a country that mixes money, politics, the army and the judiciary. He will just have to wait until after the next election before he may be able to make a safe return.

Allo allo allo ??? Anyone home in there?

There is no safe return for any terrorist. A convicted crim on the run - a bail jumper - a murderer, a conman, and so on. The next election like the one last month is a fair indication Thailand at large has had enough of this nefarious narcissist and his political and criminal intent. If the reds had any brains they would distance themselves, get some smart representation and a statesman with credibility and state their grievances and get the PM on their case which he is actually more than willing to do - but not whilst there is any association to this scumbag ex PM. Roll on the elections but he can never return until the passing of the the top man - and even then - there is a bullet waiting for him as his black shirt terrorists endorsed. Time will tell.

[MaxRobespierre]

Why exactly would Thaksin sponsor an armed unrest that was so small he knew it would fail?

Can the current Thai "government" - who seem to be the only ones who benefited nicely thank you from Thaksin's "threat" - of 8 Rifles and 12 grenades, a bucket of slingshots and a Las Vegas Casino card ever prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there were not agents provocateurs hired by the government? Would anybody even want to? Who cares? Why bother when you have an army of goons ready to rip apart anyone who disagrees with you?

Sounds darn fishy to me. But then why waste time reasoning with those consumed with hysteria and hatred whose political party used this opportunity to abrogate human rights, demonize all protesters as sub-human, begin a campaign of censorship and propaganda, initiate witch hunts and surveillance, accuse children of mental illness and other police state tactics. And why worry when you have an International Kangaroo Legal System (IKLS) unsigned and unaccountable to ICCJ and now wholey removed from the most important parts of the International Declaration of Human rights? 555 You guys are funny.

I suspect Thaksin is no fool and will not be returning to Thailand to face a kangaroo court and certain death at the hands of this "regime"....but then this particular "regime" might not be in power forever ...

We all know the high level of discussion on this board - so rather than offer rational discourse, explanations or proof, just start with the standard yellow ad hominems. Thank you very much.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Good Day

Edited August 5, 2010 by MaxRobespierre

[Insight]

Why exactly would Thaksin sponsor an armed unrest that was so small he knew it would fail?

Can the current Thai "government" - who seem to be the only ones who benefited nicely thank you from Thaksin's "threat" - of 8 Rifles and 12 grenades, a bucket of slingshots and a Las Vegas Casino card ever prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there were not agents provocateurs hired by the government? Would anybody even want to? Who cares? Why bother when you have an army of goons ready to rip apart anyone who disagrees with you?

Sounds darn fishy to me. But then why waste time reasoning with those consumed with hysteria and hatred whose political party used this opportunity to abrogate human rights, demonize all protesters as sub-human, begin a campaign of censorship and propaganda, initiate witch hunts and surveillance, accuse children of mental illness and other police state tactics. And why worry when you have an International Kangaroo Legal System (IKLS) unsigned and unaccountable to ICCJ and now wholey removed from the most important parts of the International Declaration of Human rights? 555 You guys are funny.

I suspect Thaksin is no fool and will not be returning to Thailand to face a kangaroo court and certain death at the hands of this "regime"....but then this particular "regime" might not be in power forever ...

We all know the high level of discussion on this board - so rather than offer rational discourse, explanations or proof, just start with the standard yellow ad hominems. Thank you very much.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Good Day

"Why exactly would Thaksin sponsor an armed unrest that was so small he knew it would fail?"

Check the posts before the rally on this forum. I remember at least one pro-red supporter being very confident they'd be able to pull elections off. Plus there's far too many accounts of collusion between the red shirts of the MiB and the red shirts for your "agents provocateurs" argument to stand up one minute.

You have seen that photo linking the guy with the machine gun on the skytrain station to one of Chavalit's men...? Is that the "agents provocateurs hired by the government" you're referring to?

/edit - and we haven't even begun touching on the very large number of Seh Daeng's comments about him knowing who the armed faction was and he could call them up at any time...

Get a conspiracy theory with some legs.

Edited August 5, 2010 by Insight

[jayjay0]

Why exactly would Thaksin sponsor an armed unrest that was so small he knew it would fail?

Can the current Thai "government" - who seem to be the only ones who benefited nicely thank you from Thaksin's "threat" - of 8 Rifles and 12 grenades, a bucket of slingshots and a Las Vegas Casino card ever prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that there were not agents provocateurs hired by the government? Would anybody even want to? Who cares? Why bother when you have an army of goons ready to rip apart anyone who disagrees with you?

Sounds darn fishy to me. But then why waste time reasoning with those consumed with hysteria and hatred whose political party used this opportunity to abrogate human rights, demonize all protesters as sub-human, begin a campaign of censorship and propaganda, initiate witch hunts and surveillance, accuse children of mental illness and other police state tactics. And why worry when you have an International Kangaroo Legal System (IKLS) unsigned and unaccountable to ICCJ and now wholey removed from the most important parts of the International Declaration of Human rights? 555 You guys are funny.

I suspect Thaksin is no fool and will not be returning to Thailand to face a kangaroo court and certain death at the hands of this "regime"....but then this particular "regime" might not be in power forever ...

We all know the high level of discussion on this board - so rather than offer rational discourse, explanations or proof, just start with the standard yellow ad hominems. Thank you very much.

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Good Day

You say "

I suspect Thaksin is no fool and will not be returning to Thailand to face a kangaroo court and certain death at the hands of this "regime"....but then this particular "regime" might not be in power forever ... "

Speaking of fools Thaksin has no fear of the above mentioned day dreams and hopes. He wioll nor return becouse he does not want to pay for crimes he has already been tried and sentenced for.

I do not have to start with any thing it is all a matter of public record. I would suggest you have a look at that rather than day dreaming.And don't even try to defend yourself with unproven accusations and in many cases lies that have all ready been proven to be just that. Grow up you red shirts are not going to rule Thailand. If you cared about it you would try to help if you don't care about it.

Well fight on.

[animatic]

Thaksin, yet again, misjudged the power he held, and psychological sway over the masses of ALL Thais,

not just his designated target demographic, and his political machine's network of power.

As with most control freaks and megalomaniacs, they often imagine they have absolute control,

because, they surround themselves with ass kissers and psychophants. This gives them a

false sense of omnipotence and they habitually over reach. It was so in his days in office,

and has not changed since then, but he has less 'one on one' direct face time with his network,

and so the control is more facade than real.

But he believes it, and that makes him dangerous. Not because he can really pull it off as he imagines,

but because he will continue to try. And that will cause damage to any and all he sees as adversaries,

and to those incidentally in the way.

He tried a similar 'make nice', sympathy ploy last summer too, but it all changed to the negative as Sept 19,

and the army lists came into the schedule. He seems incapable of losing with any thing like grace or resignation.

The Chalerm quote, regardless of it not being a direct threat from Chalerm, is in away a call to the acolytes

to redouble efforts against the PM because as Chalerm says. Nothing will change if head of DSI dies,

but it can change if Abhisit dies.... Making him even more of a specific target than he was before.

Essentially telling the reds don't bother with the little fish, you now have one target and your dreams will be realized.

Pretty sick to say this in any time frame let alone in the present red mood of bombings, and public attacks on the innocent..

Edited August 5, 2010 by animatic