Tot Blocking All Torrent Traffic

[MKAsok]

With a fast connection that sounds great but wouldn't I face the same problems with TOT's slow connection and it would just take forever to download the files from the seedbox?

TOT won't be shaping FTP traffic. You should max out your connection downloading from a decent seedbox.

[wontok]

With a fast connection that sounds great but wouldn't I face the same problems with TOT's slow connection and it would just take forever to download the files from the seedbox?

TOT won't be shaping FTP traffic. You should max out your connection downloading from a decent seedbox.

So FTP speeds would be faster than, for example, the speed I get directly downloading rapidshare files? I have a 2Mb line and used to get about 170kb/s with thsse, but now it is only about 35-40. Is that because they are traffic shaping these downloads as well as torrents?

Excuse my ignorance - I'm learning, but slowly....

[MKAsok]

^Probably more to do with the rapidshare server than TOT I would suspect. With a seedbox, you're being hit by an (almost) dedicated server on a 100 MB or higher connection. It should always max out your connection.

[JetsetBkk]

I wonder. Microsoft has just sent out a bunch of Windows Update late Tuesday. Did any of the these updates reset the limit to no. of half-open connections that affected torrent clients?

Here is the the link to the patch for Win 7 to change that limit - http://www.blogsdna.com/2719/windows-7-tcpipsys-auto-patcher-to-remove-tcpip-connection-limit.htm

Pity. I thought you may have been onto something there. My torrents are working, but currently slow.

I did have a major problem with the 15 XP updates - my PC ran like a dog after they were installed and I had to System Restore it. Took 6 hours altogether. So now I'm back to the old configuration and just ran the EvID4226Patch.exe.

It reports I still have a maximum concurrent half-open connections limit of 100:

Intelligent TCPIP.SYS patcher / EventID 4226 patch Version 2.23d

© 2004-05 LvlLord (www.LvlLord.de) use parameter /? for more options

This program is in development. Visit http://www.LvlLord.de for a new version

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

- Windows mode

- Recognised Windows-directory: C:\WINDOWS

- 'Windows XP SP2 or newer' TCPIP.SYS detected ...

- Build of TCPIP.SYS : 5.1.2600.5625 (I386)

- Build of safety copy: 5.1.2600.5625 (I386)

Found limit position : 0x4FB46

Current maximum concurrent half-open connections: 100

If you continue, please press 'Abort' and 'Yes' on the popup from Windows

File Protection. Because we change system files, Windows tries to restore the

original one. So it's normal.

Do you really want to change the limit to 10?

(Y=Yes / N=No / C=Change limit / U=Uninstall)

[orionj]

the special thailand only windows 7 updates....

[JetsetBkk]

Downloads seem to be fine, but uploading (seeding) is slow to not working at all.

My problem too. Can't get a decent ratio without uploads. Thank God I've got 20 GB in my pocket at TheBox to play with, but bugger all at TheEmpire.

[orionj]

just crept up to the 300 kb/s rate with my deluge client so we seem to be getting there.

btw.

i've always found that on my 4 meg line torrents max out on TOT at around 250 KB/s if you hit on a 180 XXXX ip number (which happens occasionally) as opposed to the 450 i get on a 118 XXXX number....

[trogers]

I wonder. Microsoft has just sent out a bunch of Windows Update late Tuesday. Did any of the these updates reset the limit to no. of half-open connections that affected torrent clients?

Here is the the link to the patch for Win 7 to change that limit - http://www.blogsdna....ction-limit.htm

Pity. I thought you may have been onto something there. My torrents are working, but currently slow.

I did have a major problem with the 15 XP updates - my PC ran like a dog after they were installed and I had to System Restore it. Took 6 hours altogether. So now I'm back to the old configuration and just ran the EvID4226Patch.exe.

It reports I still have a maximum concurrent half-open connections limit of 100:

Intelligent TCPIP.SYS patcher / EventID 4226 patch Version 2.23d

© 2004-05 LvlLord (www.LvlLord.de) use parameter /? for more options

This program is in development. Visit http://www.LvlLord.de for a new version

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

- Windows mode

- Recognised Windows-directory: C:\WINDOWS

- 'Windows XP SP2 or newer' TCPIP.SYS detected ...

- Build of TCPIP.SYS : 5.1.2600.5625 (I386)

- Build of safety copy: 5.1.2600.5625 (I386)

Found limit position : 0x4FB46

Current maximum concurrent half-open connections: 100

If you continue, please press 'Abort' and 'Yes' on the popup from Windows

File Protection. Because we change system files, Windows tries to restore the

original one. So it's normal.

Do you really want to change the limit to 10?

(Y=Yes / N=No / C=Change limit / U=Uninstall)

While we need to check our own computers, torrent is file sharing across the globe. It could be that this period of rather extensive Windows Update that many many computers out there have had their concurrent limit reset to default of 10. May be good to spread the news into the file sharing community to check on this as possible cause for the slowdown..

[MegaMik]

With a fast connection that sounds great but wouldn't I face the same problems with TOT's slow connection and it would just take forever to download the files from the seedbox?

TOT won't be shaping FTP traffic. You should max out your connection downloading from a decent seedbox.

So FTP speeds would be faster than, for example, the speed I get directly downloading rapidshare files? I have a 2Mb line and used to get about 170kb/s with thsse, but now it is only about 35-40. Is that because they are traffic shaping these downloads as well as torrents?

Excuse my ignorance - I'm learning, but slowly....

Read this about UDP/IP and TCP/IP and you will be enlightened.

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/U/User_Datagram_Protocol.html

About FTP, it is a standard protocol and the full name is file transfer protocol and runs under TCP/IP.

FTP concists of a set of instructions for communication between a FTP server and a client. It doesn't run faster because it's FTP, it's the server giving you the download speed, and of course other obsticles on the route to you.

You have read about UDP and TCP, don't get confused and believe that TCP/IP and TCP are the same.

UDP stands for user datagram packet, TCP stands for transmission control packet while TCP/IP stands for Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol. Confusing huh?

Not really TCP/IP is the combined set of other protocols for applications to connect to other hosts while TCP is one of them. Clear ?, Maybe not.

If I haven't made you fall asleep already, I will now.

I'm cutting it shorter otherwise I will be to tedious.

The core of TCP/IP traffic are sockets, they are the first connection point for all protocols, without sockets there are nothing.

Socket is a connection startpoint/endpoint between communicating applications/servers. With IPV4 standard, there are 65535 possible sockets open simultaneously on one end.

Let say a FTP server is up and running, listening on port 21.

You connect with your browser or dedicated FTP software to the IP adress of that server with that portnumber, what happens is a negotiation between your client and the server.

If all is well, you will get appointed a new port to do the communication stuff you want and you will get an 'Helo' message back after you connected to the other port.

After that you can do whatever you want or need inside that FTP server that the server allows but you're not on port 21 anymore,

21 is dedicated by the server for listening only so it will disconnect you directly from port 21 when your application have confirmed the status connected.

The port opened and connected is a random free port.

Now comes the jiucy part, as Internet is an open "free" community, so is the data sent between client-server or client-client, so your password, if you connected with any,

is open for anyone "read ISP's and governements" to tap into and get your plain textbased password. (there are ways for other groups of people to do the very same thing but I won't go into that now)

That isn't too bad because you can encrypt the things you are sending out already before connecting to the FTP server, but serious enough if the know your login and password.

When it comes to Torrents, they are not textbased most of the time, I mean the download contents, they are mostly binary files, like a movie or a picture.

In order to have secure connections between applications, there are a couple of encryption methods, one is VPN but the beauty with VPN is that is a tunnel protocol, encrypted message flow all the way.

So far I haven't heard of one case where they cracked a VPN (of course from a major producer) but I might be wrong here.

HTTPS is another and then we have PGP, an application to encrypt/decrypt messages and files. PGP=pretty good privacy.

Anyway, Torrent files also relies on "servers", people who share a port on their computer to share what they have themselves downloaded so far. If that connections isn't encrypted, like FTP, anyone can tap into the stream and read the contents.

The technique used to stop torrents are two that I know of, block the ports of the tracker servers, block suspicious traffic.

They run a sofisticated algorithm to determine if the stream is a Torrent download or not, you can be connected through a proxy,

it really doesn't matter unless the communication to a proxy is encrypted, alas, the stream will be.

TheBox says anyone using an encryption software, like a VPN or proxy will be disconnected immediately.

"The use of ANY kind of anonymizing/Proxy/Tor service will result in an immediate disabling of your account."

That means they ARE listening to what you are doing, your emails, your webtraffic and whatnot you do on the Internet.

But they can't ban HTTPS or they will loose all their customers doing their bank business over Internet, at least I hope they would.

Personally I would never buy any pants that has a hole in the front and where the producer tells me NOT to wear any underwear.

If I do, I forfit my rights to use the pants and if they spot me, they rip them off me in the street and let me go home with a bare bum.

No siree, wouldn't buy those.

See ya, gotta go and have a beer, tired in my fingers now.

[geoffphuket]

You know, since I started this thread it's all become a bit pointless. I'm too busy replying to PM's and e-mail's to watch anything I've downloaded

Anyway, thanks to everyone that's put pressure on TOT. The thread has had over 28,000 viewings and I'm sure a large proportion have had their say over the phone :jap:

geoffphuket

Edited August 13, 2010 by geoffphuket

[Llareggub]

I am beginning to wish TOT had kept the torrents blocked, sadly it appears that tonights entertainment ( which I foolishly agreed to download) consists of yet another GREAT Thai movie Ong Bak 3......please TOT, cut the line, more drivel from the Land of Fools!

[Llareggub]

You know, since I started this thread it's all become a bit pointless. I'm too busy replying to PM's and e-mail's to watch anything I've downloaded

Anyway, thanks to everyone that's put pressure on TOT. The thread has had over 28,000 viewings and I'm sure a large proportion have had their say over the phone :jap:

geoffphuket

Geoff,

you need to check back a couple of pages, TOT have never had a single call about this! Ha ha....be careful, remember Seh Daeng!

[rexnong]

I must admit i am only interested in getting my last few series of LOST and also i do like a bit of Top Gear and Doctor Who every week

Its not the end of the world if it stops for a bit but i understand the frustration if you like to download a bit Exotic material which may be the reason so many people are posting and phoning TOT ?????

[wontok]

With a fast connection that sounds great but wouldn't I face the same problems with TOT's slow connection and it would just take forever to download the files from the seedbox?

TOT won't be shaping FTP traffic. You should max out your connection downloading from a decent seedbox.

So FTP speeds would be faster than, for example, the speed I get directly downloading rapidshare files? I have a 2Mb line and used to get about 170kb/s with thsse, but now it is only about 35-40. Is that because they are traffic shaping these downloads as well as torrents?

Excuse my ignorance - I'm learning, but slowly....

Read this about UDP/IP and TCP/IP and you will be enlightened.

http://www.webopedia.com/TERM/U/User_Datagram_Protocol.html

About FTP, it is a standard protocol and the full name is file transfer protocol and runs under TCP/IP.

FTP concists of a set of instructions for communication between a FTP server and a client. It doesn't run faster because it's FTP, it's the server giving you the download speed, and of course other obsticles on the route to you.

You have read about UDP and TCP, don't get confused and believe that TCP/IP and TCP are the same.

UDP stands for user datagram packet, TCP stands for transmission control packet while TCP/IP stands for Transmission Control Protocol/Internet Protocol. Confusing huh?

Not really TCP/IP is the combined set of other protocols for applications to connect to other hosts while TCP is one of them. Clear ?, Maybe not.

If I haven't made you fall asleep already, I will now.

I'm cutting it shorter otherwise I will be to tedious.

The core of TCP/IP traffic are sockets, they are the first connection point for all protocols, without sockets there are nothing.

Socket is a connection startpoint/endpoint between communicating applications/servers. With IPV4 standard, there are 65535 possible sockets open simultaneously on one end.

Let say a FTP server is up and running, listening on port 21.

You connect with your browser or dedicated FTP software to the IP adress of that server with that portnumber, what happens is a negotiation between your client and the server.

If all is well, you will get appointed a new port to do the communication stuff you want and you will get an 'Helo' message back after you connected to the other port.

After that you can do whatever you want or need inside that FTP server that the server allows but you're not on port 21 anymore,

21 is dedicated by the server for listening only so it will disconnect you directly from port 21 when your application have confirmed the status connected.

The port opened and connected is a random free port.

Now comes the jiucy part, as Internet is an open "free" community, so is the data sent between client-server or client-client, so your password, if you connected with any,

is open for anyone "read ISP's and governements" to tap into and get your plain textbased password. (there are ways for other groups of people to do the very same thing but I won't go into that now)

That isn't too bad because you can encrypt the things you are sending out already before connecting to the FTP server, but serious enough if the know your login and password.

When it comes to Torrents, they are not textbased most of the time, I mean the download contents, they are mostly binary files, like a movie or a picture.

In order to have secure connections between applications, there are a couple of encryption methods, one is VPN but the beauty with VPN is that is a tunnel protocol, encrypted message flow all the way.

So far I haven't heard of one case where they cracked a VPN (of course from a major producer) but I might be wrong here.

HTTPS is another and then we have PGP, an application to encrypt/decrypt messages and files. PGP=pretty good privacy.

Anyway, Torrent files also relies on "servers", people who share a port on their computer to share what they have themselves downloaded so far. If that connections isn't encrypted, like FTP, anyone can tap into the stream and read the contents.

The technique used to stop torrents are two that I know of, block the ports of the tracker servers, block suspicious traffic.

They run a sofisticated algorithm to determine if the stream is a Torrent download or not, you can be connected through a proxy,

it really doesn't matter unless the communication to a proxy is encrypted, alas, the stream will be.

TheBox says anyone using an encryption software, like a VPN or proxy will be disconnected immediately.

"The use of ANY kind of anonymizing/Proxy/Tor service will result in an immediate disabling of your account."

That means they ARE listening to what you are doing, your emails, your webtraffic and whatnot you do on the Internet.

But they can't ban HTTPS or they will loose all their customers doing their bank business over Internet, at least I hope they would.

Personally I would never buy any pants that has a hole in the front and where the producer tells me NOT to wear any underwear.

If I do, I forfit my rights to use the pants and if they spot me, they rip them off me in the street and let me go home with a bare bum.

No siree, wouldn't buy those.

See ya, gotta go and have a beer, tired in my fingers now.

Thanks for taking the time to write all this MegaMik - Looks like just what I want. I've already had a beer or two tonight so I'll get stuck into it in the morning.

Cheers

wontok

[elkangorito]

I'm amazed that this thread is still 'open' since most of you blokes seem happy to announce to the world that you download copyrighted material & use proxies.

Anyway, the reason(s) why you may be having troubles relates to a 'chain'...& that chain is HUGE. It only takes one link in that chain to be problematic & problems will be experienced. The ultimate question is, "Which link in the chain is causing the problem?" There has not been one clear & concise answer in the entire thread, which points to many other possibilities.

Edited August 13, 2010 by elkangorito

[inthepink]

What a sanctimonious a**e.

There is nothing illegal in using a proxy and not every torrent consists of copyrighted material. If you are not interested in torrents then why even bother posting on the thread?

[powderpuff]

Internet is so slow I lost patience and pressed "submit" again.....

ha ha ha. Internet is slow because of all the leeches downloading torrents.

I'm glad they're blocking you.

[elkangorito]

What a sanctimonious a**e.

There is nothing illegal in using a proxy and not every torrent consists of copyrighted material. If you are not interested in torrents then why even bother posting on the thread?

Here's what I said;

I'm amazed that this thread is still 'open' since most of you blokes seem happy to announce to the world that you download copyrighted material & use proxies.

I do know that not all P2P stuff is illegal...just most of it, thus I used the word 'copyrighted'.

Using a proxy is illegal in Thailand.

[geoffphuket]

Personally I would never buy any pants that has a hole in the front and where the producer tells me NOT to wear any underwear.

If I do' date=' I forfit my rights to use the pants and if they spot me, they rip them off me in the street and let me go home with a bare bum.

No siree, wouldn't buy those.

See ya, gotta go and have a beer, tired in my fingers now.[/quote']

[Sunny Valentine]

Using a proxy is illegal in Thailand.

Bu*lsh*t!

troll elsewhere please!

[MegaMik]

I'm amazed that this thread is still 'open' since most of you blokes seem happy to announce to the world that you download copyrighted material & use proxies.

Anyway, the reason(s) why you may be having troubles relates to a 'chain'...& that chain is HUGE. It only takes one link in that chain to be problematic & problems will be experienced. The ultimate question is, "Which link in the chain is causing the problem?" There has not been one clear & concise answer in the entire thread, which points to many other possibilities.

Ok, I will help you out a little.

You have heard about routers? Their function is to route traffic to the shortest point from start to finish.

If one goes down, the traffic will seamlessly route to another router.

They are loadbalanced and communicate with each other giving each other alternative routes.

So it's really not a HUGE chain where problems arise.

What TOT might have done, a wild guess but a qualified one I think, is to monitor the amount of data going to an IP number through their router and switches.

If the data is a stream coming from one or multiple sources, they do a byte count on that very same port and connection. If it's a private IP adress, they might assume that binary data (read a movie or music) is transferred especially if the hosts are notorius torrent trackers.

Do some bandwidth limitation or a port block from those hosts and voila! No more stream or a strangled speed.

Personally I don't believe they have upgraded their hardware enough to analyze data packets for binaries in that way but I could be wrong so I keep the door open for anyone knowing better,

Cheers, going for my third beer now, cya in the morning/afternoon, whenever my blue eyes open.

[geoffphuket]

I'm on my own now, so I'll sign off. Thanks again to those with useful, constructive input :jap: ... And to the trolls for their wasted efforts :jerk:

[MegaMik]

Using a proxy is illegal in Thailand.

Bu*lsh*t!

troll elsewhere please!

He's right, it's illegal to use a proxy in Thailand.

[MegaMik]

@Llareggub: You previously mentioned using T*R to get on the torrent bandwaggon again. Tried it, but whatever Proxy I configure Microtorrent, no result. Guess I am doing something wrong. Care to enlighten me/ PM maybe?

Sorry for the late reply

You need to download the integrated package,

here: http://www.torprojec...ownload.html.en

It already has the necessary proxy.

If you are using uTorrent, then you need to follow the details here!

http://joshdick.net/...king_bittorrent

That should get you going. (this is all you need to do from joshdick site - summarized)

If you're using µTorrent:

Start µTorrent and choose 'Preferences' from the 'Options' menu. Select 'Connection' from the pane on the left. In the 'Proxy Server' frame in the middle, select the 'SOCKS4' type from the dropdown menu. In the 'Proxy:' textbox, enter 127.0.0.1 (this is the IP of your own computer; µTorrent will connect to your proxy this way.)

In the 'Port:' box:

If you're using Tor, enter port 9050, which is Tor's default listening port. In case you're curious, you don't have to worry about Privoxy: it is used to add additional privacy when using Tor for web browsing.

Still inside the µTorrent preferences window, select 'BitTorrent' from the pane on the left. In the 'Protocol Encryption' frame on the bottom, choose 'Forced' from the 'Outgoing:' dropdown box. Make sure the 'Allow incoming legacy connections' checkbox is checked. Protocol encryption encrypts all BitTorrent traffic, masking it from your ISP (and hopefully causing your ISP to treat it as 'innocent' non-BitTorrent traffic.) You might find that simply enabling protocol encryption without using a proxy will be all you need to get BitTorrent working in your situation.

Finally, click 'apply'.

Tnx man, you just busted my download speed!

So if you were not blocked why did you even bother you cretin?

It is for when the sites are blocked!

Nobody said it was to improve your speed, it was a way to unblock blocked sites. Jesus there is no pleasing some people!

Sorry, ____I____will_____be______very____clear_____next____time.

itwasajoke!!!!

Furthermore, who said I wasn't blocked, but I found a way, maybe the same way was mentioned ??? But still a joke.

Edited August 13, 2010 by MegaMik

[Sunny Valentine]

Using a proxy is illegal in Thailand.

Bu*lsh*t!

troll elsewhere please!

He's right, it's illegal to use a proxy in Thailand.

It is illegal to use a Proxy in Thailand to circumvent government blockages of Websites, and to create havoc on other people's computers. It is definitely not illegal to use Proxies for legal means, including Torrents.

Link to TV Admin statement with more data,

[inthepink]

What a sanctimonious a**e.

There is nothing illegal in using a proxy and not every torrent consists of copyrighted material. If you are not interested in torrents then why even bother posting on the thread?

Here's what I said;

I'm amazed that this thread is still 'open' since most of you blokes seem happy to announce to the world that you download copyrighted material & use proxies.

I do know that not all P2P stuff is illegal...just most of it, thus I used the word 'copyrighted'.

Using a proxy is illegal in Thailand.

I know what you said.

I am sure that it is not illegal to use a proxy in Thailand but if you are sure that it is then perhaps you could point me in the direction of the relevant act that outlaws the use of such software?

Thanks

[elkangorito]

Here is an excerpt from the Copyright Act, B.E. 2537 (1994).

7. The following shall not be deemed copyright works under this Act:

(1) news of the day and facts having the character of mere information, not being works in the literary, scientific or artistic fields;

(2) the constitution and legislation;

(3) regulations, bylaws, notifications, orders, explanations and official correspondence of the Ministries, Departments or any other government or local units;

(4) judicial decisions, orders, decisions and official reports;

(5) translations and collections of the materials referred to in items (1) to (4), made by the Ministries, Departments or any other government or local units.

My guess is that if you are using a proxy to download copyright material, you are breaking the law in Thailand.

Not only this but if you DON"T use a proxy to download copyright material, you are still breaking Thai law.

Source:

http://www.wipo.int/...3801#P101_13648

Edited August 13, 2010 by elkangorito

[inthepink]

Well that's not at all what you first said. You plainly stated that it was illegal to use a proxy in Thailand, which it isn't. Now you are saying it's illegal to use one to download copyrighted material which is a bit daft because as you say, it's illegal to do that without a proxy. It's a bit like stating that it's illegal to own a bread knife in Thailand and then backing your statement up by saying it's illegal to kill someone with one.

None of the software we are talking about is illegal but of course it could be used for illegal purposes, as can a lot of legal things.

Edited August 13, 2010 by inthepink

[inthepink]

On this very forum, discussing the use of proxies and VPNs, under Computer/Networking FAQs and References:

The Information and Communications Technology (ICT) Minister has said in an interview in the Bangkok Post that he has not blocked these methods because "using proxies to access illegal sites are illegal, whereas using proxies to access legal sites is legal."

I think that makes the situation perfectly clear and I do wish people would stop posting rubbish in the hope that if they state their case with enough authority then everyone else will believe them. It does nothing to help other posters.

EDIT: Sunny Valentine posted a link to the above thread a few posts up. (Sorry SV, I didn't follow the link earlier)

Edited August 13, 2010 by inthepink

[MegaMik]

It is illegal to use a Proxy in Thailand to circumvent government blockages of Websites, and to create havoc on other people's computers. It is definitely not illegal to use Proxies for legal means, including Torrents.

Link to TV Admin statement with more data,

Please tell me how anyone can track where you surf if you use a proxy server with an encrypted wrapper? That's how all of you guys use a proxy, right?

The Information and Communications Technology (ICT) Minister has said in an interview in the Bangkok Post that he has not blocked these methods because "using proxies to access illegal sites are illegal, whereas using proxies to access legal sites is legal."

Anyone with a little know how can set up a plain proxy, ideal for caching webpages and forms.

A different matter then what we are talking about, isn't it.

Unfortunately the ICT minister will never know who's illegal or not.

What we are talking about here is local IP numbers given to us by ISP's, the IP number we get from their DHCP servers, we are inside their network whilest big companies operate with their own public IP number on the outside.

A VPN has all the feautures to block any sniffer from distinguising the destination for the client, isn't that a breach of the law by itself.

Really difficult for a legislator to allow for use to certain destinations and usage and disallow for others.

If using a proxy within Thailand, the proxy owner can give out log files to the authorities but I think most proxies are outside Thailand, at least the ones farrangs use.

What you do is disguise yourself who you are and where you go and do with both a VPN client and an encrypted proxie connected outside Thailand .

Please enlighten me if I'm wrong, because then I have been wrong for 25 years working in this field.

I work as a systemdeveloper/system architect with network communication security as one of my main interests, one of many.

I started out with assembler in 1980 (for fun) on a CP/M machine, then C, C++ and now C# among others.

I made the communication package for EirCom in Ireland 2002 for their customers to connect to Internet.

Anyone wants my CV?

PM me and I'll send it over.

I'm not saying this to impress, only to make it clear that I'm not using google to find answers when I reply or post .

Cheers!