Do You Favor Legalization Of Gay Marriage In Thailand?

[Jingthing]

This poll is for everyone who wants to register an opinion. It is NOT a gay poll for gays only, so that's why I put it in the farang pub forum.

Many of us gay expats in Thailand would love to at least have the OPTION of being able to get gay married (or civil partnership with the same rights as marriage or civil partnership with more limited rights, for example adoption restrictions, etc.) in Thailand. The obvious benefits are around commitment to a loving partner and better Thai visa options. We all know the pitfalls of marriage too, if gays get to do that, we'll have those too.

So, what do you think? Do you support this or not? Personally, of course, I favor legal gay marriage here and everywhere in the world. It's about civil rights and equality to me.

Another side point that is worth mentioning but doesn't really fit into the poll structure. Some of us can get gay married in our home countries (or something like that) but Thailand doesn't recognize those marriages as legal. If Thailand did make gay marriage legal, obviously those overseas marriages would be recognized.

Edited August 13, 2010 by Jingthing

[kevozman1]

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[Jingthing]

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Why? What's wrong with the topic. Hey there I think I have a license on Next, my people will be talking to your people ...

[kevozman1]

LOL

[moe666]

Why would you want to be just another stat in a few years. 50 percent of all marriages end in divorce.

I can get married but I donot want to

[bangkokrick]

Why would you want to be just another stat in a few years. 50 percent of all marriages end in divorce.

I can get married but I donot want to

Bit selfish mate. You should be sharing your wealth with all those delectable Thai ladies like the rest of us.

Cheers, Rick

[Jingthing]

Why would you want to be just another stat in a few years. 50 percent of all marriages end in divorce.

I can get married but I donot want to

Let's break this one down.

Just because gay marriage may become legal, doesn't mean anyone is REQUIRED to get gay married. That idea of required gay marriages for everybody sounds like a good concept for a comedy movie, but it's not real.

50 percent divorce rate? It depends on the country. Anyway, nobody is guaranteed success or happiness, it ain't easy.

Also, legal gay marriage is so new, that who knows, the divorce rate for gays may be lower than for heterosexuals. Actually, that is my theory about it, but that's kind of another subject.

You can get married but you don't want to? Great! You have that choice. Would you prefer NOT to have that choice?

Edited August 13, 2010 by Jingthing

[endure]

Why would you want to be just another stat in a few years. 50 percent of all marriages end in divorce.

I can get married but I donot want to

Bit selfish mate. You should be sharing your wealth with all those delectable Thai ladies like the rest of us.

Cheers, Rick

Is moe a lesbian?

[bangkokrick]

Why would you want to be just another stat in a few years. 50 percent of all marriages end in divorce.

I can get married but I donot want to

Let's break this one down.

Just because gay marriage may become legal, doesn't mean anyone is REQUIRED to get gay married. That idea of required gay marriages for everybody sounds like a good concept for a comedy movie, but it's not real.

50 percent divorce rate? It depends on the country. Anyway, nobody is guaranteed success or happiness, it ain't easy.

Also, legal gay marriage is so new, that who knows, the divorce rate for gays may be lower than for heterosexuals. Actually, that is my theory about it, but that's kind of another subject.

You can get married but you don't want to? Great! You have that choice. Would you prefer NOT to have that choice?

Not sure how this would work.'Have you met my wife er! husband' 'No he's my wife not my husband' Hey very confusing. I find it very strange following your 'Ladyboy' poll that you would like to be the women in the family. When most gays despise 'Ladyboys' quote!

Cheers, Rick

[bangkokrick]

Why would you want to be just another stat in a few years. 50 percent of all marriages end in divorce.

I can get married but I donot want to

Bit selfish mate. You should be sharing your wealth with all those delectable Thai ladies like the rest of us.

Cheers, Rick

Is moe a lesbian?

hel_l knows, but this is in the pub forum, so maybe he/she is not gay?

Cheers, Rick

[Jingthing]

There is no problem with that. I think with two men they would typically refer to each other the same, husband. Two women, they are both wives. It's a homosexual thing, two of a kind, get it? Of course, they could call each other whatever they like, does it hurt anyone else? (No!)

"If it neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket what difference is it to me?" Thomas Jefferson as quoted by Glenn Beck

Edited August 13, 2010 by Jingthing

[endure]

Why would you want to be just another stat in a few years. 50 percent of all marriages end in divorce.

I can get married but I donot want to

Let's break this one down.

Just because gay marriage may become legal, doesn't mean anyone is REQUIRED to get gay married. That idea of required gay marriages for everybody sounds like a good concept for a comedy movie, but it's not real.

50 percent divorce rate? It depends on the country. Anyway, nobody is guaranteed success or happiness, it ain't easy.

Also, legal gay marriage is so new, that who knows, the divorce rate for gays may be lower than for heterosexuals. Actually, that is my theory about it, but that's kind of another subject.

You can get married but you don't want to? Great! You have that choice. Would you prefer NOT to have that choice?

Not sure how this would work.'Have you met my wife er! husband' 'No he's my wife not my husband' Hey very confusing. I find it very strange following your 'Ladyboy' poll that you would like to be the women in the family. When most gays despise 'Ladyboys' quote!

Cheers, Rick

if you have a gay guy, a straight guy who finds ladyboys attractive and a straight guy who is insists there are only two labels you can see the conversation will be lively and ultimately unresolvable.

Two of the guys in the above scenario are outside the bell curve.The guy inside the bell curve only recognizes other people in the bell curve as being "right". Its a recipe for disharmony. But then if you were born outside the bell curve, how could you expect some who's spend their who life inside it to understand you? they only have their own frame of reference. When you are outside the bell curve, you have to know what inside looks like because you live among "the norm" daily. But you also know some of what's outside because that's where you also reside.

QED

[Jingthing]

BTW, there doesn't appear to be any active, visible movement by Thai homosexuals to push for equal marriage civil rights in Thailand. If anyone knows about such a movement here, please mention it. So we are talking about something that might happen far into the future perhaps for the next generation or the one after that or the one after that ...

[bangkokrick]

There is no problem with that. I think with two men they would typically refer to each other the same, husband. Two women, they are both wives. It's a homosexual thing, two of a kind, get it? Of course, they could call each other whatever they like, does it hurt anyone else? (No!)

"If it neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket what difference is it to me?" Thomas Jefferson as quoted by Glenn Beck

There really is nothing to get and you obviously have some kind of fixation with Thomas Jefferson, as you quote him on a regular basis. Was he married to another man? Tell me why on earth would a man want to be married to another man. I find the idea bizzare?

Rick

[Jingthing]

There is no problem with that. I think with two men they would typically refer to each other the same, husband. Two women, they are both wives. It's a homosexual thing, two of a kind, get it? Of course, they could call each other whatever they like, does it hurt anyone else? (No!)

"If it neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket what difference is it to me?" Thomas Jefferson as quoted by Glenn Beck

There really is nothing to get and you obviously have some kind of fixation with Thomas Jefferson, as you quote him on a regular basis. Was he married to another man? Tell me why on earth would a man want to be married to another man. I find the idea bizzare?

Rick

I think you are taking the piss here. The EXACT same reasons why heterosexuals want to marry. Consider those and you have your answer. Next ...

Jefferson wasn't gay but he did have a flame for black women. That's actually related considering it wasn't so long ago in the USA that INTERRACIAL marriages were illegal there.

Edited August 13, 2010 by Jingthing

[bangkokrick]

There is no problem with that. I think with two men they would typically refer to each other the same, husband. Two women, they are both wives. It's a homosexual thing, two of a kind, get it? Of course, they could call each other whatever they like, does it hurt anyone else? (No!)

"If it neither breaks my leg nor picks my pocket what difference is it to me?" Thomas Jefferson as quoted by Glenn Beck

There really is nothing to get and you obviously have some kind of fixation with Thomas Jefferson, as you quote him on a regular basis. Was he married to another man? Tell me why on earth would a man want to be married to another man. I find the idea bizzare?

Rick

I think you are taking the piss here. The EXACT same reasons why heterosexuals want to marry. Consider those and you have your answer. Next ...

Jefferson wasn't gay but he did have a flame for black women. That's actually related considering it wasn't so long ago in the USA that INTERRACIAL marriages were illegal there.

Heterosexuals usually marry to procreate, so as to live a family life. Hurt as it may but you were created by Woman. By the way I am not taking the piss, but I just don't see the point of gay marriage.

Rick

[bifftastic]

Yes I think gay people should have the same rights as everyone else.

Some of my friends have civil partnerships here in the UK and they have them for much the same reasons as straight couples do. To show commitment, to buy a home together, to share their lives, to let everyone else know that they're 'married'.

It's normal that after a few relationships, some co-habiting ones as well maybe, that people want to demonstrate their commitment to their partner.

There are also legal reasons, the law (in the UK) recognises a partner in a same sex relationship in the same way that it does in a heterosexual one. Becoming a couple legally is, for some people, very important.

It's also important that gay relationships should be legitamised and not just 'tolerated' by society, from being illegal to 'permitted' was a big step for gay people, now there are anti-discrimination laws, another big step (not just for gay people) and recognition of the right for everyone to enjoy the same status under the law is another very big step.

It's about rights and equality, doesn't matter if you don't understand why people want to do something. You can still have an opinion as to whether or not they should be allowed to.

I'm not sure that there are any reasonable arguments as to why gay people should be prevented from legally becoming a couple.

[bangkokrick]

Yes I think gay people should have the same rights as everyone else.

Some of my friends have civil partnerships here in the UK and they have them for much the same reasons as straight couples do. To show commitment, to buy a home together, to share their lives, to let everyone else know that they're 'married'.

It's normal that after a few relationships, some co-habiting ones as well maybe, that people want to demonstrate their commitment to their partner.

There are also legal reasons, the law (in the UK) recognises a partner in a same sex relationship in the same way that it does in a heterosexual one. Becoming a couple legally is, for some people, very important.

It's also important that gay relationships should be legitamised and not just 'tolerated' by society, from being illegal to 'permitted' was a big step for gay people, now there are anti-discrimination laws, another big step (not just for gay people) and recognition of the right for everyone to enjoy the same status under the law is another very big step.

It's about rights and equality, doesn't matter if you don't understand why people want to do something. You can still have an opinion as to whether or not they should be allowed to.

I'm not sure that there are any reasonable arguments as to why gay people should be prevented from legally becoming a couple.

Very good post and one of reason rather sensationalism. This is a discussion thread and if we were all of the same opinion there would be no discussion. I still stand by my opinion as that is my right, but I also respect yours.

Cheers, Rick

[bifftastic]

Yes I think gay people should have the same rights as everyone else.

Some of my friends have civil partnerships here in the UK and they have them for much the same reasons as straight couples do. To show commitment, to buy a home together, to share their lives, to let everyone else know that they're 'married'.

It's normal that after a few relationships, some co-habiting ones as well maybe, that people want to demonstrate their commitment to their partner.

There are also legal reasons, the law (in the UK) recognises a partner in a same sex relationship in the same way that it does in a heterosexual one. Becoming a couple legally is, for some people, very important.

It's also important that gay relationships should be legitamised and not just 'tolerated' by society, from being illegal to 'permitted' was a big step for gay people, now there are anti-discrimination laws, another big step (not just for gay people) and recognition of the right for everyone to enjoy the same status under the law is another very big step.

It's about rights and equality, doesn't matter if you don't understand why people want to do something. You can still have an opinion as to whether or not they should be allowed to.

I'm not sure that there are any reasonable arguments as to why gay people should be prevented from legally becoming a couple.

Very good post and one of reason rather sensationalism. This is a discussion thread and if we were all of the same opinion there would be no discussion. I still stand by my opinion as that is my right, but I also respect yours.

Cheers, Rick

Thanks very much, nice of you to say so.

I also know some gay people who don't see the point of it either! But it's nice to have the right, should they change their minds!

I will support anyone who wants to be treated in the same way as everyone else.

For me, I can't see why they would bother either but it's the right to do so that appears more important to me, given the history of how the law regards homosexuality.

[Jingthing]

The argument about procreation is totally bogus. It was totally rejected in the recent historic California court case that overturned an unconstitutional voter rejection of gay marriage rights for Californians.

To break it down --

1. There is no fertility test for heterosexual marriages.

2. Older heterosexuals past the ability to reproduce marry quite often.

3. Fertile heterosexuals with no intention to have children marry quite often.

4. Lesbians quite commonly have children where one woman is the birth mother. Sometime these kids are from a previous heterosexual relationship, other times they are arranged other ways after the lesbian relationship starts.

5. There is always adoption for those gay couples who want to have kids and can't, don't want to do anything biologically.

6. There is a newer way for two gay men to engineer one man being the biological father. This is for rich people as it involves paying a woman to carry the baby. Also there is always the possibility that some gay men already have custody of children from previous heterosexual relationships.

7. To repeat there is always adoption.

In any case, the ability or requirement to have kids, biological or otherwise has nothing to do with the current legal definition of marriage in any country I am aware of.

BTW, nobody is fooled to believe that heterosexuals always get married for noble purposes. Sometimes it is for easier visas, a more favorable taxation situation, etc. Most gay people want to have the same rights to make the very same good or bad decisions based on the same kinds of reasons, whether those reason are high minded and romantic or down to earth practical.

Personally I find opposition to gay marriage equality quite obnoxious and very mean spirited, as if allowing other kinds of people the same chance of happiness they have somehow devalues their marriages (or divorces, ha ha). Gays being married or not married involves a tiny percentage of the population of any country. The total effect on a country legalizing this is hardly noticeable. I can understand opposing things that hurt you directly such as being against a tax hike, etc. But this is just about expanding freedom and equality. I would think good hearted people in countries where this equality has been granted would feel better about their countries, in the same way that most Americans felt very proud to elect our first black president, even those who hated his politics.

Yes, of course people have every right to oppose gay marriage. They had the right to oppose interracial marriages too. However, it is quite clear such views are on the WRONG side of history.

Until gay people globally obtain the exact same legal rights as heterosexuals in their countries, they will remain SECOND CLASS CITIZENS in their countries. That was the clear message of the recent historic California court case.

Edited August 14, 2010 by Jingthing

[smokie36]

Given the civil rights abuses handed out to many gays in different parts of the world the more countries giving equal rights to gay people the better. So Thailand should offer this right to marry should it want to be seen as a civilised nation.

You just need to look at the situation in Malaysia to see how much more advanced Thailand is already in this respect however....

[Jingthing]

Given the civil rights abuses handed out to many gays in different parts of the world the more countries giving equal rights to gay people the better. So Thailand should offer this right to marry should it want to be seen as a civilised nation.

You just need to look at the situation in Malaysia to see how much more advanced Thailand is already in this respect however....

Yeah of course, in some countries gay are being aggressively persecuted. That's a different story. Those countries are indeed much further away from equality than Thailand.

[Eazy-Going]

IMO should be allowed everywhere.

[Travel2003]

IMO should be allowed everywhere.

Agree.

It's time to step into the modern age regarding this as well.

A "closet gay man" and a "closet lesbian" can marry each other.

Both of them are gay, but not same gender.

But when 2 same-gender gays want to tie the knot, we are back into the dark ages again.

[Jingthing]

IMO should be allowed everywhere.

Agree.

It's time to step into the modern age regarding this as well.

A "closet gay man" and a "closet lesbian" can marry each other.

Both of them are gay, but not same gender.

But when 2 same-gender gays want to tie the knot, we are back into the dark ages again.

Can someone translate this post? Was it ironic?

If not, why would a closet gay man and closet gay women marry except for some kind of visa scam? If it's for the sex, they would be barking up the wrong tree ...

Edited August 14, 2010 by Jingthing

[Travel2003]

IMO should be allowed everywhere.

Agree.

It's time to step into the modern age regarding this as well.

A "closet gay man" and a "closet lesbian" can marry each other.

Both of them are gay, but not same gender.

But when 2 same-gender gays want to tie the knot, we are back into the dark ages again.

Can someone translate this post? Was it ironic?

No no.

Not trying to be ironic.

I was saying it is time we allow gay marriages.

Its time we are getting into the modern ages in regards to that as well.

Unfortunately, some people are still in the dark ages.

[Jingthing]

OK but I think your post reads strangely. To me it reads like the right wing argument that gays ALREADY have the legal right to marry, the same as heterosexuals, as long as they marry someone of the OPPOSITE sex. Which is of course kind of a cruel thing to say to people who are love of the same sex and want to marry.

[Travel2003]

OK but I think your post reads strangely. To me it reads like the right wing argument that gays ALREADY have the legal right to marry, the same as heterosexuals, as long as they marry someone of the OPPOSITE sex. Which is of course kind of a cruel thing to say to people who are love of the same sex and want to marry.

Sorry about the confusion I created.

I tried to illustrate how silly it is, in this day and age, to not allowing same sex (gender) marriages.

Biting my nails now, hoping I didnt contribute to the confusion.

By the way, I woted yes, to make it legal.

[Jingthing]

No worries. Thanks for the clarification.

It is certainly OK to oppose gay marriage for whatever reason, even irrational and illogical reasons. However, over the course of time I am confident more and more countries are going to go with expanding equality on this issue. But it may take hundreds of years.

[Jingthing]

The motion carries!