Red Shirts Rally To Mark 2006 Coup, May Crackdown

[craigt3365]

It is not unusual for people being charged with a crime to not be let out of jail as they are a flight risk. Kinda like the other red leaders who are in Cambodia? Bail is used as an incentive to make sure they show up for court. And for some, the amount is too high...for good reason. This is pretty standard practice all over the world. For sure in the US. So, innocent till proven guilty? Yes! They just want to make sure you hang around until that innocence is proven...no double standards here.

I think TallForeigner better be careful. He has stated in public he is making money here in the Kingdom...and getting involved in this mess. Seems to me a few other farangs are now persona non gratis due to their involvement?

[tig28]

I was making a point about tallforeigner bragging about First Hand news events that he seems to always slant with Red as heroes. Like his First Hand Victor Bout news.

It also turned into a PR piece on Jatuporn.

My point is... If you are really being paid and all of your work is Pro-Red...you have an agenda that doesnt belong here.

Snide unfounded comments like this should receive the ignore they deserve!! If you have any evidence to support your ranting -- put up--- otherwise....... what divine power made you the TV thought police???

[Buchholz]

The photo included here only shows a Friday normally busy street. The flickr photo's don't show much. With various quotes let's keep it at 200 - 2000 depending on time of day and location (two prisons in BKK).

Normal busy street? Put down your bottle of Saeng Som and look again. Is it normal traffic when the flow of traffic stops with a big crowd of red shirts? Look downstream from the people there is no traffic any more - the road was blocked.

Maybe it will be normal in a few months time because MP Khun Jatuporn Prompan announced this morning that they want to do this same action once every week.

Are there photos showing 2,000? I see only a few hundred as the most shown in any of the photos you linked.

There's bigger than "big crowd of red shirts" on any given market day in many places.

At least to their credit, the Reds have given up on their normal practice of making ridiculous proclamations that 1,000,000 would show up to their so-called rallies. I guess after being made to look like complete idiots over these absurd claims a half dozen times previously, they finally realized that to make absurd claims makes them look like complete idiots.

[siampolee]

Having viewed the clip from 'vaitor.com>>Red Comment, I see no evidence of 2000 + people at the site as claimed.,

Yes, agreed, there is a bit of traffic congestion, however that would be expected as one lane of the road was closed to facilitate the demonstrators ,The truth is that the whole demonstration didn't go off with ''a bang'' more like a"phut'' from a damp squib

or an, M.P. Khun Jatuporn Prompan fart.

As our old cockney driver used to say. " All mouth and no trousers".

Edited September 18, 2010 by siampolee

[Buchholz]

Put down your bottle of Saeng Som

what stuff are you on?

Have you been sniffing thinners?

prove to us all on TV that you are not insane

show that you are not on crack

an interesting trend in posts amongst the red defenders

[rubl]

I was making a point about tallforeigner bragging about First Hand news events that he seems to always slant with Red as heroes. Like his First Hand Victor Bout news.

It also turned into a PR piece on Jatuporn.

My point is... If you are really being paid and all of your work is Pro-Red...you have an agenda that doesnt belong here.

Snide unfounded comments like this should receive the ignore they deserve!! If you have any evidence to support your ranting -- put up--- otherwise....... what divine power made you the TV thought police???

How about re-reading all replies in this topic? Might enlighten you

[craigt3365]

The photo included here only shows a Friday normally busy street. The flickr photo's don't show much. With various quotes let's keep it at 200 - 2000 depending on time of day and location (two prisons in BKK).

Normal busy street? Put down your bottle of Saeng Som and look again. Is it normal traffic when the flow of traffic stops with a big crowd of red shirts? Look downstream from the people there is no traffic any more - the road was blocked.

Maybe it will be normal in a few months time because MP Khun Jatuporn Prompan announced this morning that they want to do this same action once every week.

Are there photos showing 2,000? I see only a few hundred as the most shown in any of the photos you linked.

There's bigger than "big crowd of red shirts" on any given market day in many places.

At least to their credit, the Reds have given up on their normal practice of making ridiculous proclamations that 1,000,000 would show up to their so-called rallies. I guess after being made to look like complete idiots over these absurd claims a half dozen times previously, they finally realized that to make absurd claims makes them look like complete idiots.

Some may have realized this, but not Jatuporn...for sure! Still a complete idiot. But if your pockets were being lined by Thaksin, I guess you have to tow the line?

[mca]

Have you been sniffing thinners?

an interesting trend in posts amongst the red defenders

Red defender? I'm commenting on his posting style not the content.

[hyperdimension]

Amazing how your interest in the reds has grown since they occupied and burnt your district down a few months ago.

Well, writing a book about the action with first hand knowledge and good photos from the scene needs direct involvement. There is huge demand for it and I already sold hundreds of photos for good money.

You support terrorists and are also profiting from their actions (probably without a work permit). You are despicable and should be put away like how other farang UDD supporters have been.

[Pi Sek]

"None has been convicted of any crime in relation to that protest. - quote from Nation"; and they are in jail. Didn't Suthep told the Saudi that his police big shot should be treated as INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY BY THE COURT? Double standard or not? Can anyone answer?

Piengrudee - good point.

Double standards.

But then this military-controlled government makes up the rules as they go along.

Nothing new there.

Oh for goodness sake. No, this is not double standards. Just like the freedom of PTP chairman Chalerm's sons and Pattaya mayor Ittiphol's brothers and countless other red mafia leaders. But suspects SHOULD be treated as innocent until proven guilty. Nattawut etc are technically innocent at the moment - but they have been charged and are under detention because the last time they were free 90+ people died and the capital city was set on fire. Oh, and at least 60 of the 90+ that people died by their hands, not by the army's.

To suggest "this military controlled government (LIE!) makes up the rules as they go along" shows a remarkably short-sighted knowledge of history. Have you forgotten what Thailand was like particularly in Thaksin's second term? Laws were changed daily to suit his business needs and then were changed back when he was finished exploiting them!

Get this straight, and tell your Isaan friends and drunk Pattaya motorbike-taxi drivers too - the UDD is the amataya and Thaksin is their king. They are the ones keeping farmers poor, they are the ones stifling education, they are the ones that run circles of elite gangsters raking up the cash that should be divided out to the public sector. They are also the ones who have nominated Ji Ungpakorn, who admits he does not support the mornarchy in Thailand, as their official spokesman. The UDD do not want a monarchy - they want a republic led by president Thaksin. Now, go to the red shirts and ask each one... who do want, the king or Thaksin? My guess is that the rank and file UDD supporter - note I say supporter, not member (of which there are probably less than a thousand or two) would denounce Thaksin right away.

And as for one poster referring to ai kwai Jatuporn, who claims that the red shirts didn't burn BKK (it was the govt!), as "Khun Jatuporn Promphan MP"... well, quite frankly referring to a 'sut' who only has the destruction of society at mind for his reputed 5m Baht per day as a 'khun' is already going too far. Showing him any form of respect is doing a great injustice to the tens of thousands of people with a genuine grievance that followed him.

[craigt3365]

"None has been convicted of any crime in relation to that protest. - quote from Nation"; and they are in jail. Didn't Suthep told the Saudi that his police big shot should be treated as INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY BY THE COURT? Double standard or not? Can anyone answer?

Piengrudee - good point.

Double standards.

But then this military-controlled government makes up the rules as they go along.

Nothing new there.

Oh for goodness sake. No, this is not double standards. Just like the freedom of PTP chairman Chalerm's sons and Pattaya mayor Ittiphol's brothers and countless other red mafia leaders. But suspects SHOULD be treated as innocent until proven guilty. Nattawut etc are technically innocent at the moment - but they have been charged and are under detention because the last time they were free 90+ people died and the capital city was set on fire. Oh, and at least 60 of the 90+ that people died by their hands, not by the army's.

To suggest "this military controlled government (LIE!) makes up the rules as they go along" shows a remarkably short-sighted knowledge of history. Have you forgotten what Thailand was like particularly in Thaksin's second term? Laws were changed daily to suit his business needs and then were changed back when he was finished exploiting them!

Get this straight, and tell your Isaan friends and drunk Pattaya motorbike-taxi drivers too - the UDD is the amataya and Thaksin is their king. They are the ones keeping farmers poor, they are the ones stifling education, they are the ones that run circles of elite gangsters raking up the cash that should be divided out to the public sector. They are also the ones who have nominated Ji Ungpakorn, who admits he does not support the mornarchy in Thailand, as their official spokesman. The UDD do not want a monarchy - they want a republic led by president Thaksin. Now, go to the red shirts and ask each one... who do want, the king or Thaksin? My guess is that the rank and file UDD supporter - note I say supporter, not member (of which there are probably less than a thousand or two) would denounce Thaksin right away.

And as for one poster referring to ai kwai Jatuporn, who claims that the red shirts didn't burn BKK (it was the govt!), as "Khun Jatuporn Promphan MP"... well, quite frankly referring to a 'sut' who only has the destruction of society at mind for his reputed 5m Baht per day as a 'khun' is already going too far. Showing him any form of respect is doing a great injustice to the tens of thousands of people with a genuine grievance that followed him.

Well put...all this BS about the elite is rubbish. The leaders of both groups are elite. Not much different in many other countries...

[IAMSOBAD]

Before you post please read.

The posts I made are based 100 percent on facts.

All claims made by me were based on past claims by a certain poster to always say he was there at an event and had first hand photos.

Sad truth is the photos never prove the claims.

In fact they confirm the poster is embellishing.

If he wants to really meet me may I suggest he bring all his photos and I will bring all his TV anti-government posts ans we can meet at the CRES office in BKK.

I will arrange it free of charge.

Dont forget receipts of pics sold and your work permit.

Maybe your buddy Justporn or Jatuprom will represent you.

I dont want to spell his name because he loves libel suits.

[hanuman1]

Before you post please read.

The posts I made are based 100 percent on facts.

All claims made by me were based on past claims by a certain poster to always say he was there at an event and had first hand photos.

Sad truth is the photos never prove the claims.

In fact they confirm the poster is embellishing.

If he wants to really meet me may I suggest he bring all his photos and I will bring all his TV anti-government posts ans we can meet at the CRES office in BKK.

I will arrange it free of charge.

Dont forget receipts of pics sold and your work permit.

Maybe your buddy Justporn or Jatuprom will represent you.

I dont want to spell his name because he loves libel suits.

But surely if all your posts are based 100 percent on facts you have nothing to fear from a libel suit.

Before you post please read.

[IAMSOBAD]

Wow!

IF you have been in Thailand the past year Jatuporn has said numerous times..."use my name" and I will sue you!

Please read all the facts before you make moronic posts.

I like truth! It sets you free.

[hanuman1]

Wow!

IF you have been in Thailand the past year Jatuporn has said numerous times..."use my name" and I will sue you!

Please read all the facts before you make moronic posts.

I like truth! It sets you free.

Right, so he'll sue anyone who uses his name. Don't take things so literally!

I'm not surprised you love the truth - because you make it up on a daily basis.

What a waste of internet resources your comments are. You're the first person I've ever put on 'Ignore' because I know you'd love nothing better than to get in a flame war as you've already demonstrated to others. <deleted>.

[IAMSOBAD]

Thank you

[rixalex]

Right, so he'll sue anyone who uses his name. Don't take things so literally!

I'm not surprised you love the truth - because you make it up on a daily basis.

What a waste of internet resources your comments are. You're the first person I've ever put on 'Ignore' because I know you'd love nothing better than to get in a flame war as you've already demonstrated to others. <deleted>.

Chastise another for flaming and then sign off by calling them a "<deleted>".

[rubl]

Wow!

IF you have been in Thailand the past year Jatuporn has said numerous times..."use my name" and I will sue you!

Please read all the facts before you make moronic posts.

I like truth! It sets you free.

Right, so he'll sue anyone who uses his name. Don't take things so literally!

I'm not surprised you love the truth - because you make it up on a daily basis.

What a waste of internet resources your comments are. You're the first person I've ever put on 'Ignore' because I know you'd love nothing better than to get in a flame war as you've already demonstrated to others. <deleted>.

I always believe k. Jatuporn especially when he promises to come with a tape

As for '<deleted>', interesting, you mean the probably original old Norse 'þveit' meaning cut, slit, or forest clearing ?

[asiawatcher]

Reports said 10,000 people were going to come to Bangkok, then someone said 2,000, now it reports 1,000 - and the picture shows about 500! I think the Mekong Whiskey took over what was otherwise a normal weekend but let's wait for the 10,000 red balloons and see what numbers come back on that in 24 hours! 50?

[IAMSOBAD]

Before you post please read.

The posts I made are based 100 percent on facts.

All claims made by me were based on past claims by a certain poster to always say he was there at an event and had first hand photos.

Sad truth is the photos never prove the claims.

In fact they confirm the poster is embellishing.

If he wants to really meet me may I suggest he bring all his photos and I will bring all his TV anti-government posts ans we can meet at the CRES office in BKK.

I will arrange it free of charge.

Dont forget receipts of pics sold and your work permit.

Maybe your buddy Justporn or Jatuprom will represent you.

I dont want to spell his name because he loves libel suits.

[IAMSOBAD]

Before you post please read...

What does it mean?

Read...read...read the entire news thread from start to finish... Then post!

If all you do is post to the last post because you didnt read the thread...then that is a sign of ignorance.

When i am accused of making a Flame it is totally unfounded by name calling posters who never read the thread.

I can always back up my posts with facts.

As Jack said..."You cant handle the truth!"

[gregb]

Deleted. Wrong thread.

Edited September 18, 2010 by gregb

[craigt3365]

Here are the "poor" reds heading up to Chiang Mai...in their BMW. And is that a Benz behind? What a bunch of rubbish from these guys. And I bet all their followers are sitting in the back of pickups for the long haul up there....real nice....

[mca]

That BMW is most probably worth less than the pick up.

[craigt3365]

That BMW is most probably worth less than the pick up.

I wish...luxury car prices here are ridiculous. Heck, car prices in general are ridiculous.

[webfact]

Thai 'Red Shirts' rally to mark 2006 coup, May crackdown

BANGKOK, September 19, 2010 (AFP) - Thai "Red Shirts" were set to rally in Bangkok and Chiang Mai Sunday to mark four years since a coup ousted Thaksin Shinawatra and commemorating those slain in a May crackdown on their protest.

Authorities do not expect violence, but will keep security tight, with army-led command centres in both cities monitoring events and several thousand police deployed in Bangkok near the heart of April and May's deadly rallies.

Red leaders expect 10,000 protesters to join the demonstration in Chiang Mai -- the former stronghold of the fugitive former prime minister who was toppled from power in 2006 -- compared to an official estimate of 1,000.

In the Thai capital another group of Reds will gather at Ratchaprasong intersection, the focus of their two-month protest, during which 91 people were killed and nearly 1,900 were injured.

The Bangkok protesters plan to release 10,000 red balloons in remembrance of those who died or were injured on May 19, when the army brought a bloody end to the unrest.

The Reds'hero Thaksin, who lives abroad to escape a jail term for corruption, called on his followers via Twitter to avoid further violence ahead of the double anniversary.

"I want everyone to look to the future. I want to see the healing of people who suffered from the conflict. I want to see people forgive each other," he said, adding that he was currently in Lebanon.

Sunday's demonstrations cap a series of events held by the Red Shirts over the weekend.

Somyot Prueksakasemsuk, leader of one Red faction, travelled to the northern city of Chiang Mai on Saturday in a convoy of about 80 vehicles.

He said the rallies would call for authorities to free all political prisoners, reform the courts with the introduction of a jury system, as well as other land and economic measures.

On Friday, demonstrators, wearing their signature colour and singing the "Red in the Land" anthem, converged in front of the Bangkok remand prison, where key leaders are being held on terrorism charges related to the unrest.

All 19 senior Reds jailed for having key roles in the two-month protest, which brought Bangkok's retail heart to a standstill, are held at the prison. None has been convicted of any crime in relation to that protest.

Bangkok, which is still under a state of emergency along with six other provinces, will have one army-run command centre and another will be set up in Chiang Mai, although the decree has been lifted there.

About 900 police will be in charge of the Chiang Mai rally, according to the Centre for Resolution of the Emergency Situation (CRES), which oversees emergency rule in response to the unrest.

Five companies of soldiers -- about 350 troops -- would also be on standby, authorities said.

In Bangkok, the Metropolitan Police have said there would be about 100 checkpoints in the city Sunday and around 3,000 plainclothes and uniformed officers would be mobilised.

Deputy prime minister Suthep Thuagsuban said rally leaders had been briefed on what they are permitted to do during the demonstrations.

"If protesters cooperate, there is likely to be no problem," he said.

Thailand's colour-coded politics have revealed deep divides in the country, with the mostly poor, working class Reds at one end of the spectrum and royalist Yellow Shirts, backed by the Bangkok-based elite, at the other.

The Yellows detest Thaksin and their 2006 rallies helped trigger the coup that toppled him.

-- (c) Copyright AFP 2010-09-19

[TAWP]

Before you post please read.

The posts I made are based 100 percent on facts.

All claims made by me were based on past claims by a certain poster to always say he was there at an event and had first hand photos.

Sad truth is the photos never prove the claims.

In fact they confirm the poster is embellishing.

If he wants to really meet me may I suggest he bring all his photos and I will bring all his TV anti-government posts ans we can meet at the CRES office in BKK.

I will arrange it free of charge.

Dont forget receipts of pics sold and your work permit.

Maybe your buddy Justporn or Jatuprom will represent you.

I dont want to spell his name because he loves libel suits.

But surely if all your posts are based 100 percent on facts you have nothing to fear from a libel suit.

Before you post please read.

You show a clear lack of knowledge of the laws in Thailand [and other countries].

You can sue for libel even if the stated facts are true, if the intend is to libel etc.

There are many cases with even having the truth at hand will still land you in a hot seat. And having to put an expensive lawyer on retainer is one of the problem normal people cannot afford...

[IAMSOBAD]

I am a farang that moved to Thailand for all the great things that it has to offer.

Its people are one of its great things.

But drunken thugs brainwashed into violence and looting and burning has made the world see that SOME people here are selfish money motivated oppurtunists lining their own pockets.

All in the name of the poor.

Robin Hood...Dillinger...Bonnie and Clyde etc. All were criminals made into heroes the same way as red leaders.

Look in your wallet and see if these leaders are taking your money or making you money? Who paid for their BMWs and Mercedes?

[SkyHigh]

We should all stand up and fight for this countrys peacful citizen!

How ? Join Silom / Pink / White mobs ?

I dont think election is an absolute answer. But I cant figure out the better way to stop this monthly mob.

Perhaps I'll choose 'not decided yet group' instead.

I dont see anyone Thais can trust right now.

Even if you stand up and fight, the ball will finally go to another side and starting new problem.

[onnut]

Which one of you is Michael Fingers?

Fingers is all over FaceBook "Liking" everything in site to do with the Red Shirts. well done Fingers, wonder if he is one of the Foreign Nationals being watched by the Government?

if you are liking everything on Thaivisa facebook news updates you are on this thread for sure. come on own up!

Edited September 19, 2010 by onnut